This is Insane! I The Millenium Calendar | Alternative Win | Lost Caverns of Ixalan Spoilers | MTG
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- The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Today Mitch talks about a new exciting spoiler with The Millenium Calendar from The Lost Caverns of Ixalan!
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"Each opponent loses 1000 life" is a wild string of words to put on a magic card
Haha yea, very un-likely even
Well gaining 1000 life isn't that hard as long as you can generate infinite mana
Even more so is that it doesn’t necessarily mean “you win” lmfao gotta love this game!
502.4. No player receives priority during the untap step, so no spells can be cast or resolve and no abilities can be activated or resolve. Any ability that triggers during this step will be held until the next time a player would receive priority, which is usually during the upkeep step. (See rule 503, “Upkeep Step.”)
This is important because you can’t activate tap or untap abilities during the untap portion of a player’s turn. So this limits a few of the untap shenanigans you could try
For reference, 10 activations from 1 counter gets you 1024 counters. So very doable.
what is the earliest turn that this card can go off? the best i can calculate is turn 9 but that is in a mono red haste deck.
@@TheKillerman3333easily turn 4-5 with cards like doubling season
@@TheKillerman3333He made a calculation error, turn 9 is the earliest with 1018 counters, he didn't include untap step counters, thus, if you have 2 land and the calendar(1 land on turn 1), you'll end on turn 9.
10 turns would be correct if it entered with a counter and didn't add on untaps.
As far as how fast can you make it? In terms of when you play it, with the right cards you can make it go off before your next turn.
But in terms of playing it on turn one, I have come up with death in 4.25 turns(I'm sure there's an even faster solution, however, I'm trying to take into account cards in hand, I used 8 turn one due to drawing):
Legend: { } = Cost ( ) = Mana it produces(need 1 green land by turn 4) [ ] = counters
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Fellwar Stone{2}(1), Voltaic Key{1} Calendar[(0+3)x2=6] - Tap all tap Voltaic to Untap Sol Ring and retap Sol Ring
3: Land, Doubling Season{4G}, Calendar[(6+7)x3=39] - Tap all
4:Land, Seaborn Muse{3GG}, Calendar[(39+8x2)x3=165]
Opponent 1 Turn: Calendar, Key, Calendar Calendar[165x3x3 = 1485]
Update: Forgot about Unwinding Clock, I've cut it down to turn 3.75 turns(if in a 4 pod, .75). Don't need Doubling season(idk if you can get it out earlier enough to make a massive difference). So now it is a colorless win in turn 3.
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Fellwar Stone{2}(1), Voltaic Key, Calendar[(0+3)x2=6] - Tap all tap Voltaic to Untap Sol Ring and retap Sol Ring
3: Land, Unwinding Clock{4}, Calendar[(6+7)x2=39] - Tap all
Opponent 1: Tap Untap Tap Calendar[(39x2x2) = 156]
Opponent 2: Tap Untap Tap Calendar[(156x2x2 = 624]
Opponent 3: Tap Untap Tap Calendar [(624x2x2=2496] BOOM
Final Update: Got it down to 1st opponents upkeep turn 3.
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Paradox Engine{5} Calendar[3]
3.
Sol Ring into Calendar[7x2=14], Signet play Voltaic Key{1}, untap
Sol Ring into Calendar [14x2=28] Signet into Voltaic to untap Sol Ring, tap Sol Ring to play Manifold Key float 1, untap
Sol Ring into Calendar[28x2=56], 1 float + Signet to untap Sol Ring twice float 4, 2 float into Fellwar Stone{2}(1),untap 2 float mana left
Sol Ring into Calendar[56x2=122], Signent + Fellwar to untap Solx2 (4 floating) Land + Land + 3 float + into Seedborn Muse{3GG} untap 1 left
Sol Ring into Calendar[122x2=244]
1 float into untaping Calendar
Signet and Fellwar into Calendar[244x2=488]
Opponent 1 Upkeep:
Sol Ring into Calendar[488x2=976]
Signent into Voltaic to untap Calendar
Fellwar Stone and Land into Calendar[976x2 = 1952] Boom
Malachite Talisman, play a green spell, untap target permanent (this), and add more counters in a green ramp deck
I would just like to say Vorel of the Hull Clade is a commander that also says “tap: double the counters on target artifact/creature/land”. And since it’s Simic colors you also get some extra counter stacking like Pir, Vorenclex, and Doubling Season.
In other words, I have found a new jank win-con for my Vorel deck.
Triggers placed on the stack in the untap step are pushed to upkeep for resolution.
Clock of omens and unwinding clock would be damn good! Looks like simic colors are going to be able to break this easier than other colors. Doubling season, deepglow skate, glider bairn, vorel of hull clade and vorinclex. Not to mention all the green etbs that untap stuff or all the blue cards that you can pay into to do the same as well.
Heh, ooooh I'm in love with this. I made your mad-lad "Deepglow Skate hidden commander counters deck" you made back when, and have modified it a little since, and I'm definitely wanting to put this card in that.
Now would you imagine having the master, formed anew and deepglow skate as a secret commander just to have it permanently on your command zone?
That's entirely possible, although at that point just being Dimir colors, you lose some good counter-synergy cards like All Will Be One and Resourceful Defense, not to mention all of white's flickering effects.@@DalvaWolf
Technically, with doubling season you are 3x your counters instead of 2x(or 4x). Since doubling is actually just putting on counters equal to what's on it. So if you have 15, tap double, you're not adding 30, you're adding 15, the 15 is doubled making you add 30 leaving you with 15+30 or 45 counters.
Also if you and your opponent has the Calendar, Vorinclex will still let them get counters, like before, you're adding the same amount, but you'd had half. So theirs would be 2T for 1.5x total counters while yours is 3x(5x with doubling season too).
It takes 9 turns to get to 1000(by playing 2 lands and the calendar)
Turn 1: Play a land and Calendar, end with 0 counters
Turn 2: Untap Land(+1 counter), Play Land, Tap all 3, end with 2 counters.
Turn 3: Untap 3(5 counters) x2 = 10
Turn 4: ... (10+3)x2 = 26
5: (26+3)x2 = 58
6: (58+3)x2 = 122
7: (122+3)x2 = 250
8: (250+3)x2 = 506
9: (506+3)x2 = 1018
I have come up with death in 4.25 turns(I'm sure there's an even faster solution, however, I'm trying to take into account cards in hand, I used 8 turn one due to drawing):
Legend: { } = Cost ( ) = Mana it produces(need 1 green land by turn 4) [ ] = counters
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Fellwar Stone{2}(1), Voltaic Key{1} Calendar[(0+3)x2=6] - Tap all tap Voltaic to Untap Sol Ring and retap Sol Ring
3: Land, Doubling Season{4G}, Calendar[(6+7)x3=39] - Tap all
4:Land, Seaborn Muse{3GG}, Calendar[(39+8x2)x3=165]
Opponent 1 Turn: Calendar, Key, Calendar Calendar[165x3x3 = 1485]
Update: Forgot about Unwinding Clock, I've cut it down to turn 3.75 turns(if in a 4 pod, .75). Don't need Doubling season(idk if you can get it out earlier enough to make a massive difference). So now it is a colorless win in turn 3.
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Fellwar Stone{2}(1), Voltaic Key, Calendar[(0+3)x2=6] - Tap all tap Voltaic to Untap Sol Ring and retap Sol Ring
3: Land, Unwinding Clock{4}, Calendar[(6+7)x2=39] - Tap all
Opponent 1: Tap Untap Tap Calendar[(39x2x2) = 156]
Opponent 2: Tap Untap Tap Calendar[(156x2x2 = 624]
Opponent 3: Tap Untap Tap Calendar [(624x2x2=2496] BOOM
Final Update: Got it down to 1st opponents upkeep turn 3.
1: Land, Sol Ring{1}(2), Arcane Signet{2}(1), Calendar[0]
2: Land, Paradox Engine{5} Calendar[3]
3.
Sol Ring into Calendar[7x2=14], Signet play Voltaic Key{1}, untap
Sol Ring into Calendar [14x2=28] Signet into Voltaic to untap Sol Ring, tap Sol Ring to play Manifold Key float 1, untap
Sol Ring into Calendar[28x2=56], 1 float + Signet to untap Sol Ring twice float 4, 2 float into Fellwar Stone{2}(1),untap 2 float mana left
Sol Ring into Calendar[56x2=122], Signent + Fellwar to untap Solx2 (4 floating) Land + Land + 3 float + into Seedborn Muse{3GG} untap 1 left
Sol Ring into Calendar[122x2=244]
1 float into untaping Calendar
Signet and Fellwar into Calendar[244x2=488]
Opponent 1 Upkeep:
Sol Ring into Calendar[488x2=976]
Signent into Voltaic to untap Calendar
Fellwar Stone and Land into Calendar[976x2 = 1952] Boom
The first thing that came into my mind is Urza deck with Unwinding clock and clock of omens, Pay Day°!
you wouldn't quadruple it with doubling season, you would only triple it. it there's already 30 counters on it and you try to double it (add 30 more) it would instead add 60 more, so triple.
Let's say I have doubling season and Vorinclex out on the field. With the Calander having 1 time counter already.
I'd activate the calander ability too double it (adding 1 counter as there is one counter) doubling season sees I'm trying to add 1 counter and says no you add 2 counters instead. Then Vorinclex sees that I'm trying to put 2 counters on it and says no you're putting 4 counters on it instead.
@@JustNinj I guess, yeah. That still doesn't make doubling season alone to quadruple the counters
think he meant if you have vorinclex as well
@@DalvaWolf
@@JustNinj That would quintuple the counters, actually. Still a hilarious amount of counter ramping though.
Unless I am misunderstanding the way effects like doubling season work, wouldn't it only triple the current counters rather than quadruple them?
15 counters on it previously, 15 get added on untap step, but 30 instead from doubling season leaving 45 total. Pay 2 and tap to add 45 counters but doubling season adds 90 instead for a total of 135. 135 is 3 times the original amount of 45. That is still a crazy fast way to increase counters, but isn't that how the interaction would work from replacement effects like doubling season?
Great insight on this new win con. I also believe a few of the new doctor who commanders would be viable to pilot the deck or be used in the 99 with the time travel ability to increase the number of time counters
I forgot the name about the commander, but this light fit in the theme where you can play cards from the top of your library when you remove a counter from a permanent you control :) might be strong in that one
Edit: it’s Falco Sparer but I missed the part that you have to remove counters from CREATURES so I think it won’t fit in that deck anymore (you could turn this artifact in a creature but then you have to waste 2 slots for cards which are dead if they are not combined)
Haven't got the time to track it down sadly, hope someone finds what you're talking about.
@@batbobspongeman edited it, sorry for the confusion!
@@xxblackoutxx6565 thank you kind stranger!
Brilliant thank you. Got so much work to do now haha
Magda can OTK with the Calendar. The Magda/Clock Of Omens combo makes infinite tapped treasures. You then tutor out the Calendar and Gonti's Aether Heart with Magda. A few more reps of the Clock combo will get you sufficient energy to activate the Heart and take an extra turn. On the extra turn, your millions of tapped treasures will untap, putting enough counters on the Calendar to trigger it.
It’s going in my Urtet deck
What if you created 500 or so tapped zombie tokens and then on your untap step, double it and win
That plus voltaic key or something similar could go fast. Hummm🤔
Voltaic Key, Voltaic Construct, Voltaic Servant, Unwinding Clock, and Clock of Omens. Really you get 1 counter on it and you only need to activate it like 10 times to win so if you can tap and untap quickly especially early or when people are tapped out then you can get this going crazy fast.
have Clock of Omens, have Myr Galvanizer (and copy it somehow), have at least 2 other additional myr and a mana rock (or one of it's a mana dork, then you also can ignore the clock of omens). Then you can tap-untap all your myr and WHEEE all the time counters.
I think your math on doubling season is incorrect. The initial 15 to 30 counters is correct, however when you pay 2 and tap the calendar, you are putting 30 more counters on it. This means doubling season makes the total going onto the calendar 60 and only takes you up to 90 total time counters. Can you verify?
One note, I think doubling season would actually triple your counters, not quadruple them? 3 counters + (3 counters * 2 for doubling season) = 9 still a huge boon
Nope, it quadruples.
First Doubling Season will modify 3 counters to 6 counters
Second Doubling Season will modify 6 counters to 12 counters.
A THIRD Doubling Season will modify 12 counters to 24 counters.
Replacement effects do not occur at the same time (there is nothing in MTG that allows such a thing). It needs to happen in order.
If they are happening to the same player or owner of the permanent, they are allowed to order in any way they see fit, as they are the ones affected by it.
@@leoleo1035 Correct.,.... Rulings
9/1/2023 Everything that is specified by the effect creating the original token or tokens will also be true about the additional token or tokens created by Doubling Season's replacement effect. For example, if an effect tells you to create a token "tapped and attacking," the additional tokens will also be tapped and attacking.
9/1/2023 Doubling Season affects permanents that enter the battlefield with counters.
9/1/2023 Planeswalkers will enter the battlefield with double the normal number of loyalty counters. However, if you activate an ability whose cost has you put loyalty counters on a planeswalker, the number you put on isn't doubled. This is because those counters are put on as a cost, not as an effect.
9/1/2023 Battles will enter the battlefield with double the normal number of defense counters.
9/1/2023 If there are two Doubling Seasons on the battlefield, then the number of tokens or counters is four times the original number. If there are three on the battlefield, then the number of tokens or counters is eight times the original number, and so on.
You’re right, I wasn’t talking about multiple doubling seasons though. Added a “for” in the doubling season calc for clarity
Yeah so you do double season you put if 3 counter would go on it would get 6 then the ability to tap it adding 6 more so then double season would turn that into 12 so the initial 3 would 18 with just untapping 3 and tapping this with season on the Field
@@leoleo1035 No... it doesn't quadruple. If you have 3 and use the ability with a doubling season, the artifact would try to put 3 counters on and doubling season would make that 3 turn into 6 instead... So in the end you would go from 3 counters to 9 counters total.
It tries to trigger in untap step, but doesnt actually trigger or enter the stack until the upkeep. "At the beginning of your upkeep" triggers enter the stack at the same time as these "untap" triggers.
You don't get priority during untap step, but I believe that you can respond to the millennium calendar's trigger itself, so you don't have to worry about it
With just 1 counter on it, you can win with just 10 activations of the double counters ability:
2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024.
It is not that hard to do.
Rings of brighthearth? There's probably some shenanigans you can do with staff of domination, ring of brighthearth and basalt monolith.
Thoughts on using this with squirrel nest + Earth craft combo?
Laughs in Thief Of Blood.
I’ll build this with a Ziatora commander. Magda in the deck to put out a dark steel forge
You can respond in the untap step while the ability is on the stack
You can not, the ability doesn’t appear on the stack till the upkeep step
Sure go for the 1,000 counters, swing for the fences, but how about using this to power other cards?
1. Move them all off wholesale on to another permanent that cares about time counters?
2. Something that cares about how many counters on things you own or control?
3. A thing that changes the counters to another counter type that matters to different permanents?
4. Something that eats counters one things you own or control?
The Millenium Calendar + Teferi, Temporal Archmage + The Chain Veil + Grim Monolith + Mana Vault = game over
As I understand basalt monolith goes infinite with this ?
Now if there is a way to move all those from this to another thing that uses time counters that could be interesting.
I mean Ozalith, but most things that use time counters are suspended.
Would this be good in Atraxa, as a lightning rod?
Pairs with Voltaic key nicely.
Sooo i know its not really budget but did Mich just forget about Unwinding clock? so lets say you turn 1 sol, then turn 2 unwineding clock, turn 3 drop the calendar, turn 4 on endstep before yours tap out. So that is 3 land and 1 sol ring and might as well tap calander as well even if it doesn't have counters it will count itself untapping: result 5 counters on calendar pay 2 each turn to double the counters with no extra time counter spells amd just these 5 permanents it goes 5 to 10 on your turn, then 20, then 40, 80 before your next turn 85 at the start of your turn, we are now on turn 5 of the game, tap again 85 to 170, 170 to 340, 340 to 680, and win on turn 5 upkeep for last opponent with 1360 counters on it.
granted this is turn 5 everything is face up and your opponents could remove it if they have it plus you had to have the ring, the clock and this in hand or drawn into it by turn 3 sooooo little bit of magic Christmas Land but it can get out of hand fast. I will probably put it in my Urtet deck.
also clock of omens seems really good with this since you can untap and tap it more than just unwinding clock and make the win even faster or wait for people to be tapped out.
it says "your" untap step
@DalvaWolf correct but with unwinding clock you untap all artifacts on each untap. So you can activate the calander on each turn to double counters. That line of text changes nothing about what I stated and I even accounted for it having to wait until my turn 4 to actually start getting counters
@@thejesteramongfools makes sense, but I'd try and put the calendar on turn 1 if I have it just to get past some removal spells at turn 3/4 try to get some keys and a sonic screwdriver to do the dirty . This is definitely going in my shorikai deck just the for laughs and then not that much laughs when I play silence and start tapping it and untapping it until I win lol
They only way to do anything in the untapped step is if you can respond to a triggered ability such as mesmeric orb. If someone has the orb the triggers go on the stack, and then can tap and untap things, then millennium calendar would get the time counters since it only cares about your permanent untapped during the untapped step not by the game action untap.
If it’s untapping in untap step, Mesmeric Orb triggers at upkeep. It said so in official rulings
@charlesyun7803 that is not how it plays on arena and I think the inspired keyword triggers the same way, but I'm seeing in reddit under official rulingssubredit that the trigger actually waits for the upkeep and no one has priority at untap step.
Unwinding Clock and Seedborn Muse would be needed to accelerate it, or duplicating its doubling ability.
Time counters have some synergies with the new Dr. Who decks, but it's a question of how much.
It says "your" untap step so they wouldn't work, right?
@@Asura_Kishin I believe charlie is referring to the activated ability for acceleration.
I have so many cool ideas for this!
Vorel of the Hull Clade salivates with this card.
Yes! Vorel is my main commander and I saw this card and just salivated at the thought of Vorel w/ Bracers + Doubling Season
Create 500 goblins convoke something cast the millennium calendar activate it win
Mitch I'm disappointed you didn't mentioned voral as an excellent commander for this card, and he's super budget
3 untaps is an 8 turn win without any additional taps just using the double feature
Not using _Timecrafting_ with this?
My cmc 1 tribal lantern control deck just got a win con.
Interestingly enough, It doesn't reference it has to be things you control... So I think an enemy's unwinding clock and Seedborn Muse is fair game when it gets to your untap
Best way is to have this card and a bunch of artifacts and Brudiclad and have our Mirror Box or some similar effect, then make all of those a copy of this artifact and tap them to double multiple times.
My Azami deck will like this.
No shout out to seedborn muse or unwinding clock?! I'd be using both lol 😂
It says during your untap so seedborn muse wouldnt proc it sadly
Clock of omens and unwinding clock would be damn good! Looks like simic colors are going to be able to break this easier than other colors. Doubling season, deepglow skate, glider bairn, vorel of hull clade and vorinclex. Not to mention all the green etbs that untap stuff or all the blue cards that you can pay into to do the same as well.
Doubling season makes this card triple the counters not quadruple. This is confusing math so bare with me. Say you have 200 you tap to double then you will have put 200 more counters so you put 400 instead which adds up to 600 counters on it at the end, tripling the original 200
It's not confusing, it's pretty simple math...
@@fallendeus I didn't mean it in an insulting way. I meant that it might be hard for me to explain well
@@are-jaypeterson6190 I don't think you meant it in an insulting way at all. I however did. The fact that he and other people in the comments can't understand basic math is pathetic.
I have had incidences in Historic Brawl where I would have survived this.
The new saheeli pops off with this
You did he math wrong 15 become 30 the tap and you put 30 more but DS makes it 60 more counters for a Total of 90 on it
All Will be One + this card is going to be crazy, especially if you have a way to untap it. It won't take long before you are taking people out
Is it just me or would this be decent in a tayam deck
*Crab dancing intensifies*
so were actually going back to amonket because of a millennium item
The Heliod Scurry Oak infinite combo deck player sitting at 465 697 302 573 586 173 life:
"All that for a drop of blood"
plenty of instants that say prevent all damage youd take this turn.
Putting this in my Ghired Tokens deck. Not because it’s great, but because it is hilarious
Same lol. I have strixhaven stadium in mine currently but this seems like a hilarious way to win
how many d20 is that ? have fun putting all those counters lol
Paradox Engine?
Would counter doublers quadruple it, or tipple it? If you double 30 counters, you're adding 30 more counters, not 60. Wouldn't Doubling Seasons add an extra 30 counters, so you'd go from 30 to 90?
Yes, doubling season will only triple the amount of total counters.. not quadruple.
I see this being played in Azorius. There are many ways to infinitely untap / tap that card and protect it in those colors.
Couldn’t even be mad if I lost to this! If I didn’t take care of it earlier that’s on me and if my opponent pulled this off in a turn or two, fucking kudos to them!
Extra turn deck
My Merfolks are ready
Being able to turn 1 this is just gross. There are so many ways to protect your artifacts that this has SO much potential. But DOUBLING the amount of counters, it'll get out of hand fast. The easy insert on this would be for my Atraxa deck, but....good lord.
as a Mexican who plays this game this card doesn't offend me
Vorel of the Hull Clade could pull it off
I will personally only be accepting Death through this method.
I get it's 1000 for flavor, but that just seems annoying to track. I normally track things with dice, so having to keep a paper and pen around or sit with my phone out to track it sounds annoying. Cool effect, but I'm not super into it out of sheer laziness. It's like those decks that wants as many different tokens as possible; Fun idea, confusing execution.
maybe 3x d10? one for each digit - 1k is just a coin or something you like if you need it :)
This is similar to what we do. When my wife makes 2048 scute swarms, we use 1 d20 for each digit and it's not difficult to track
Just us 3d10
Besides the 3d10 as suggested by people here I also will use a dry erase token to keep track of things like this.
Put this in a counter generator deck
Unwinding clock lol
Vorel!
Sphinx of the second sun will give you additional untap steps. Also, Myojin of Cryptic Dreams with 2 Indestructible counters and any creature that proliferates on ETB is an instant kill.
The myojin doesn't help because having multiple copies of the clock doesn't make things go faster. The clock's tap ability only doubles the counters on itself, not all copies of it.
@@TheKensta88 SO. You also need at least 1 counter on the clock, but you're not making copies of the clock. You're making infinite copies of a creature that proliferates the counters to over 1,000.
I think this is a dumb way to win and I want to try to win with this card for laughs.
I think it's sucked that wizard of the coast "it nothing really new", but I think sucked that wizard of the coast never stop throwing out sets and cards because I wish they have time to create driven stories through their cards while we can play the sets we already have because these cards will be outdated by the time new sets come out next week.
So, what's the point playing the new cards because they will be outdated with a snap of a finger.
MITCH
This card is too easy to break - fortunately there is lots of removal for artifacts.
Can't wait for The Millenium Calendar and Devoted Druid combo. Casually tap it/untap Devoted druid 500 times, tap Millenium Calendar and you win.
You can't activate abilities or cast spells during the untap step...
...wierd flex, but okay
This would be busted in a green blue Proliferate Vorinclex deck (Spoiler and he/you mention(s) this)
What is this ? A yu-gi-oh card !?, I Tap this and you loose a 1,000 life point !!!