Bob, I’m so sorry that you have this problem. You need a winery license and just make and bottle Meade when you have fermenting honey. It may be more profitable! Thanks for showing the bad and the good of the bee business.
Bob is a real treasure of knowledge, I've been watching your videos for the last 2 months or so and I truely believe that every bit of knowledge you have accumulated over the years needs to be recorded and documented for the the future generations to learn from. Thank you for sharing with the rest of us.
As a business owner I appreciate your attitude and understand what you’re going through... This too shall pass.... It might pass like a kidney stone but it WILL pass!
Your honesty and the video sharing is invaluable. May God help you to pass over this loss with your head up. You do not know what it means to see people like you sharing when we go wrong so others will benefit from it. Much appreciated Daniel from Australia
I’ve learned more about honey from you than anything I’ve watched. Thank you. I also wanted to tell you, it has amazed me that everyone I’ve talked to about insecticide spraying has never had or noticed the problem, including commercial guys like yourself. If I wouldn’t have walked into my apiary last year the day the field got sprayed, I wouldn’t have noticed it either because the very next day you couldn’t tell anything had happened. The bees had all the dead cleaned up and was going about their business. It just tells me a lot of beekeepers don’t realize their bees get killed this way. Anyway the farmer by me decided not to spray this year because the beans weren’t bad. He also said in the future he would spray at night. This is one way to combat the problem is having a relationship with the farmers and working together to protect our bees. Most of them don’t want to kill bees either. Sorry for the length of this, I sure appreciate your time.
Thanks Bob. I am sure you will get it all cleared up. Please post a follow up on the honey drying/ fermentation machine operating as it should.. Thank you
Bob great video!! I want one those tees hope hope you have them in spring when I come get some more nucs looking forward to caucation mix in the bees !! Thanks again !!
Thanks for sharing the downsides of beekeeping, and the fact that experienced people mess up too! I’m about to pull the last of my honey supers, capped or not, and this helped me understand what to do to get the right moisture content. Thanks so much for sharing! 😊 🐝
Thank you for a really informative video. I'm a hobbyist and I'm dealing with thin honey right now and I'll start using some of the ideas you mentioned.
Great video. Appreciate your honesty. Too many beekeepers like to show only their successes but we all have issues at any level that people can learn from. I’ll definitely keep watching.
Thank you for the heads up since I'm not familiar with those kind of nectar plants your tragedy has given me the heads-up for obtaining honey from different areas that I'm not familiar with thank you and may God bless you in return.
It makes me personally feel better when seasoned beekeepers have goof ups. It speaks volumes to me of your ethics to admit and show me the problems you have had. Thank you for the lesson. I really appreciate it. A "Real" reality show. Susan NW Georgia
Great video. Thanks for sharing this. I learned a lot from this video on proper processing of honey and what can happen and why. Again, thank you for sharing this.
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing. I really appreciate the honesty. BTW “This too shall pass ” is my 84 year old mother’s favorite saying.
Bob, Thanks for showing us what really can happen to anyone. We all make mistakes, but hopefully we all learn from them. I forgot about a honey super and the wax moths got to it. Lesson learned. Now I'm doing an experiment with those frames. We'll see what happens. Thanks again for being open and honest about the life of a beekeeper.
Great video wealth of information. Thanks for being honest enough to show the bad things that can happen in bee keeping. Its definitely not a bed of roses all the time procrastination was one of the most deadly killers in my operation. Your videos has help a bunch with that. Sorry it happened but thanks again for sharing.
Bob, thank you for such an honest, straightforward display of a problem every beekeeper who expands his operation will face. I've seen Ian Steppler checking moisture, and I saw another in Florida talk about moisture issues and thin honey, but your adding the yeast and fermentation issue put it all into perspective.
Always impressed with your depth of knowledge. Even better that it is conveyed in a comforting and soothing tone and manner that I imagine Mark Twain used to spin his yarns. I look forward to your next video. Thank you for sharing.
Sorry Bob that you have to deal with this problem, but I know you will fix and make it right and even on this situation your serenity and all the information that you pass on your videos is awesome!! good luck and yes, this also Shall Pass!!!!. Thank you Bob.
Hi Bob! Thank you for sharing the "bad" of beekeeping and honey stuff. I admire your bravery and truthfulness to do so. I can't imagine how bad this incident sucks, but you truly have just offered the world a crucial lesson that is priceless for those that listen. I'm interested in how the honey dryer works out once you get it going. Thank you - I love watching your videos, and I love to learn about the good and bad stuff. :) Chin up!
Gotta take the rough with the smooth. Thank you for this video. We learn so much more from failure than success. You clearly know what you are doing to a world-class level, which is why its even more helpful to show that the learning, (and errors) never end.
We set an empty super propped up on boards on the corners. Above that goes a window screen. Above that goes wet supers. Set a box fan on top so that it pulls air thru the stack. Do this in an air conditioned very dry room. It will pull around 1% per day out of your honey.
Another great video Bob! Full of helpful insight and information. As for that Dadant honey dryer, I'd send it back. This may or may not be the case, but sometimes you just get a bad machine or piece of equipment. Years ago I had a Chevy Cavalier. Best running, most dependable car I've ever owned. Before we were married my wife had one, said it was the worst car she ever owned. Maybe the dryer is just a lemon.
Thank You Soooo much for Deciding to share, you just helped me understand how my honey ferments at 18% sometimes ,I've even mixed 16% to it to try and offset it before and still ended up fermenting..not Everytime , but I've lost quite a bit before...
We have been lucky. I think the luck is the fact that we store buckets of honey in our home. They're everywhere. We keep it around 70F so it's very dry. Our honey must dry out as its stored because I KNOW I'VE STORED 19% and it did not ferment.
Your depth of knowledge is amazing. Of course many things are learned from mistakes but you know honey. I have a spectrometer from maple syrup that I use and so far this year 17.5% is my highest moisture level. I know you'll figure this all out but it would have been easier if it wasn't 2020. Chin up and keep trying to get better. Thanks Bob for sharing.
Hi Bob, I’m a new subscriber, new beekeeper and I’m learning a lot from your videos. I’m building frames as I’m listening and when this video started I looked up and my first thought was “wow he looks like Kenny Rogers”, even your voice resembles his. Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for your videos.....Lorie
I'm a little over 1 year into my beekeeping journey, A handful of hives, but plan to expand slowly but surely. Your videos teach me something, every time, that I didn't even realise was a "thing" Thank you for taking the time to help us newbies
We have a heavy Cabbage Palm flow at the moment. I have an conniption fit when I have a frame with fermenting honey (hive ventilation issues where I live). It's been a strange year. We should be in a dearth and we still have a flow. I did splits yesterday. Keep up the videos. I always learn.
Thank you for this video. At 16% moisture my honey was hard to extract, caused more damage to the virgin comb and barely flowed through my filter baskets. Extracting and filtering took about 3 times longer than usual but, it's some of the richest and most flavorful honey we've ever produced. Guys, don't forget to calibrate your moisture meters.
We can have the same problem here in Queensland Australia When a bloodwood tree flowers here there is usually rain as well which of course makes honey ferment That is the other problem here on the coast the humidity is is really high in summer as with the temperature
That’s a lesson for sure. Thank you for sharing. Is there a specific device you use to check the moisture content of your honey that you trust? You have an impressive operation and I respect your attention to the details. Great work!
Thanks for the Reality TV episode! Lol I keep thinking about a simple drum dryer that could be set into an open drum, or even though the bung hole with a little more work. Basically picture a sloped "cookie sheet" (stainless steel tray) over the top of the drum, with a pump, maybe a small diameter plastic screw auger?, that runs to the bottom of the barrel, pulling honey up so it runs down the surface of the tray and back into the barrel. You could have the bottom of the sheet taper into a funnel and flow back into the bung in a coaxial setup with the pump tube in the center and be able to do it with the lid on still. Set this in a warm and low humidity room, and you get drying across both the tray, and the surface of barrel, with continuous circulation in the drum. You could also do something like this larger and wall mounted, so you just put the drum underneath it and drop the suction line into it. The more surface area of honey you can get, the more drying you get. The pump would be the most expensive part, and then a little metal fab, and you could actually use a cookie sheet if you don't have a sheet metal brake lol
I know of some homemade units like this and they work well. I almost went this route but decided on this model because of my two friends that are having such good luck with them. They tell me theirs remove moisture fast. I'll get this one right. Thanks.
Second time through several of your videos and thank you for sharing your passion. What was the final verdict and the honey spilled and lost on the floor could it also be salvaged. I am hoping your crop was not lost. You’re a great teacher of bees and things.
Thanks for the vey good video, I will never bee a commercial honey harvester BUT i still want to learn ALL i can. I don't want to just see the successes in life but the failures as well. Always remember THE FAILURES MADE YOU A SUCCESS. My hat is off to you SIR love all your vids keep them coming.
To protect yourself, you might consider offering to buy honey based on 18% moisture. For every .1% increase/decrease in moisture above/below 18% the price for honey decreases/increases by $.10/lb.
Hi I know nothing about fermented honey. Hope you might do another video on its processing and uses. due to your video i have more questions haha. ! Is it edible. 2. How does it taste. 3. how is it treated/used after processing do you use it as is or blend it to mask any taste quality problems. Enjoy your comprehensive explanations in everything Ive watched of yours blows me away with your knowledge of the subject Thank you for making me smarter.
Good questions. It tastes awful (my opinion), it is edible but I wouldn't want to be the one to eat it and of course all of this depends on the degree of fermentation. A little bit isn't too bad. After removing the alcohol the bad taste can be diluted by blending with good honey. I hope to have an update on our honey dryer soon and talk about the results. It's supposed to remove fermentation without high temperatures which would help a lot with the flavor.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks for replying to me. Please post what you do with this stuff. Think i found the study on sugar feed ratios you mentioned too. best ratio seemed to be 1 to 1,3 ratio. will be giving it a go.
Well, it could be worse. Just imagine some bees get into the warehouse... Here in Germany it's not allowed to pull moisture from honey by a machine. Same with adding extra sugar. Interesting to see how honey is processed overseas. Maybe the climate here is dryer so the regulators can 'afford' such rules.
Wow here in southern Arizona we find the content of moisture to be less than 18%. And not even 15%. What a shining 13% is what we look at and our Honey. How are the first time I was listening to how many producers as you put it some of them were willing to put water into the hive
Hello Bob. Thanks so much for all you do to help us less experienced beekeepers! Love your videos! Could you please share what air dehumidifiers you have used and would recommend. I need to buy one here soon for my operation of about 200-300 colonies. Also, your bees have no trouble cleaning up what the hive beetles start to lay with the extra couple days of dehumidifying before they get the supers back after extraction? Thanks!
Hi Serge. The dehumidifier we use now is overkill for 2 or 3 hundred colonies. Dehumidifiers are rated in quarts or pints per day. For the size room you would probably use I would recommend a 50 to 64 pt. We try and extract before the fourth day. You have that much time before hive beetles start giving trouble. Also see "Removing Moisture Before Extracting" th-cam.com/video/B2-w4P8BPsQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi Bob, I know that in laboratory settings those venturi vacuum apparatuses can pull a good vacuum, but they can also introduce water vapor into the vac chamber. Presents problems for chemists doing "dry" reactions that can't tolerate even parts per million of water in the vapor phase. A couple workarounds people use are cooling the water used for the venturi (reduces the vapor pressure significantly) or they add something like glycol to the water to reduce the vapor pressure. Good luck with the mess, I can't even imagine!
Hi Bob I have some frames of capped honey that I didn't have time to extract.in freezers.i didn't leave it on the hives because I needed to do mite treatments. I'm gonna thaw it out and put it back on some of my strongest hives for a couple of weeks to let the bees dehumidify it. The freezer causes that frost on the outside of the comb. Is why I'm thinking the moisture might be to high. I have never done this before. I hope it works. Thanks for the great informative video again.
What I have learned about honey is that it is possible to have thick honey with a high moisture content and also thin honey with a low moisture content. So that may have been the case with the supplier. But that is exactly the reason that you need a refractometer. To be precise and not just rely on the shake test
I know nothing about drying honey nor do I know how this machine works. But if the it is pulling moisture is it draining back into the vat? Plumbing needs the correct fall so it drain away. When moisture is pulled through tubing it will collect in side the tubing and could just run back into the vat. Does it have a check valve to prevent back flow of moisture? It the tube coming out the top is where the moisture goess out try giving it more fall away from thw vat that removes the moisture. Sometime if we arent getting result at the end doesn't mean the main starting point isnt working. Just some food for thought. Good luck hope you figured it out. Also when you create a vacuum it could be causing sweating in the vat as well. Make sure the vat has the correct insulation for your environment.
Also I'm sure temperature of the room and honey play a factor. Sounds like you have taken into the humidity in the room in to account. Check to make sure you don't have a moisture issue in the room. Sometimes its not as obvious but could be just enough to have the honey suck it right out of the air after it has been dryed. Just trying to throw some ideas out there for you or anyone else that is reading this that could be having the same issue in the future.
@@bobbinnie9872 Bob, thank you for speaking up about an issue that other beekeepers are silent about. I also came to the conclusion that the optimal humidity is
Bob, I’m so sorry that you have this problem. You need a winery license and just make and bottle Meade when you have fermenting honey. It may be more profitable! Thanks for showing the bad and the good of the bee business.
Thanks, appreciate the comment.
Bob is a real treasure of knowledge, I've been watching your videos for the last 2 months or so and I truely believe that every bit of knowledge you have accumulated over the years needs to be recorded and documented for the the future generations to learn from.
Thank you for sharing with the rest of us.
Great educational video Mr. Binnie.
Thank you.
Enjoy tour vids too MR Dirtrooster "WHERE HOBBY BEEKEEPING IS A WAY OF LIFE" Very entertaining and informative.
As a business owner I appreciate your attitude and understand what you’re going through... This too shall pass.... It might pass like a kidney stone but it WILL pass!
@Dwight Carter, you forgot to mention the pain that goes along with the problem and the kidney stone. lol
Thanks.
Your honesty and the video sharing is invaluable.
May God help you to pass over this loss with your head up.
You do not know what it means to see people like you sharing when we go wrong so others will benefit from it.
Much appreciated
Daniel from Australia
Thanks Daniel.
I’ve learned more about honey from you than anything I’ve watched. Thank you. I also wanted to tell you, it has amazed me that everyone I’ve talked to about insecticide spraying has never had or noticed the problem, including commercial guys like yourself. If I wouldn’t have walked into my apiary last year the day the field got sprayed, I wouldn’t have noticed it either because the very next day you couldn’t tell anything had happened. The bees had all the dead cleaned up and was going about their business. It just tells me a lot of beekeepers don’t realize their bees get killed this way. Anyway the farmer by me decided not to spray this year because the beans weren’t bad. He also said in the future he would spray at night. This is one way to combat the problem is having a relationship with the farmers and working together to protect our bees. Most of them don’t want to kill bees either. Sorry for the length of this, I sure appreciate your time.
Thanks. We do see issues at times and communicate often with local farmers. We move yards around to avoid issues. Sweet corn is the worst offender.
Thanks Bob. I am sure you will get it all cleared up. Please post a follow up on the honey drying/ fermentation machine operating as it should.. Thank you
Will do
i love watching these late at night it’s so relaxing
Well that was very intetesting video , admire you for exposing what has happened, which i have no doubt many beekeelers will take your advice .
Thanks.
One of the best videos out there. Real issues brought to all with all the pros and cons to redeem the issue. Thank you
Thanks.
Great lesson for all beekeepers. Thank you for sharing this experiences.
Thank you.
Brilliant. Thanks, Bob!
Ty for the vid. I was actually wondering what is to be done with fermented honey.
Another great vid. Many thanks
Bob great video!! I want one those tees hope hope you have them in spring when I come get some more nucs looking forward to caucation mix in the bees !! Thanks again !!
Excellent Information! Thanks for sharing this valuable knowledge Bob!
Thanks for sharing the downsides of beekeeping, and the fact that experienced people mess up too! I’m about to pull the last of my honey supers, capped or not, and this helped me understand what to do to get the right moisture content. Thanks so much for sharing! 😊 🐝
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for a really informative video. I'm a hobbyist and I'm dealing with thin honey right now and I'll start using some of the ideas you mentioned.
I think this was a very good video I never herd of the this before so thanks
Great video. Looking forward to see your honey dryer in action.
Thank you for sharing. Much appreciated.
Thank you for the educational video as always, Bob!
Thanks.
Dont be hard on your self we all make mistakes some times!!! love your vids
Thanks.
Great video. Appreciate your honesty. Too many beekeepers like to show only their successes but we all have issues at any level that people can learn from. I’ll definitely keep watching.
Bob, thanks for sharing , you are a wealth of beekeeping knowledge.
Thanks.
Thank you very much for that last bit of information very helpful
thank you for sharing , I would've helped clean up ! great to hear you speak on this issue. I learned well from this.
Thanks.
Thank you for the heads up since I'm not familiar with those kind of nectar plants your tragedy has given me the heads-up for obtaining honey from different areas that I'm not familiar with thank you and may God bless you in return.
Thank you Bob, for sharing your experience and knowledge. You're a blessing to many.
Thanks.
Sorry to hear about your problems. Thanks for sharing and hope I learn from this. Thanks for the advice on drying suppers.
Thanks.
That was some real good info I really enjoy it. Thanks very much.
Very welcome
Thanks for sharing your failures along with your success 👍 It's always appreciated, thanks 👍
Thanks.
Great video, as always, Bob. I need to go check on those stored quart bottles before they explode in the guest room!
Bob lots of respect.
I feel for you. Thank you for sharing the bad times along with the good. I hope you have made progress with the drying machine. God Bless you....
Thanks Yes we're making progress, parts are ordered.
Thanks for the video, Bob. It takes a great man to admit that a mistake was made, & to still post the video evidence of it!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
It makes me personally feel better when seasoned beekeepers have goof ups.
It speaks volumes to me of your ethics to admit and show me the problems you have had.
Thank you for the lesson.
I really appreciate it.
A "Real" reality show.
Susan
NW Georgia
Great video. Thanks for sharing this. I learned a lot from this video on proper processing of honey and what can happen and why. Again, thank you for sharing this.
Your welcome.
Thanks for sharing
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing. I really appreciate the honesty. BTW “This too shall pass ” is my 84 year old mother’s favorite saying.
Thanks, sounds like I would like your grandmother.
I found a lot of good information in this video thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Bob, Thanks for showing us what really can happen to anyone. We all make mistakes, but hopefully we all learn from them. I forgot about a honey super and the wax moths got to it. Lesson learned. Now I'm doing an experiment with those frames. We'll see what happens. Thanks again for being open and honest about the life of a beekeeper.
Thanks 👍
Great video wealth of information. Thanks for being honest enough to show the bad things that can happen in bee keeping. Its definitely not a bed of roses all the time procrastination was one of the most deadly killers in my operation. Your videos has help a bunch with that. Sorry it happened but thanks again for sharing.
Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for showing the good and bad. This to shall pass
Amen.
Sorry for your problem but thanks for sharing it. I feel sure that it will help a lot of other beekeepers including me!
Thanks
Bob, thank you for such an honest, straightforward display of a problem every beekeeper who expands his operation will face. I've seen Ian Steppler checking moisture, and I saw another in Florida talk about moisture issues and thin honey, but your adding the yeast and fermentation issue put it all into perspective.
Thanks.
Great and informative video. Thanks.
Glad you liked it, thanks.
Thank you Bob for teaching us a little about moisture in honey. God bless
Thanks.
Thanks Bob for the info sorry you are going through this problem.
Thanks.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for showing reality of the business. Not hiding your mistakes.
Thanks.
Always impressed with your depth of knowledge. Even better that it is conveyed in a comforting and soothing tone and manner that I imagine Mark Twain used to spin his yarns. I look forward to your next video. Thank you for sharing.
Much appreciated!
Thanks for an informative video. I always learn from your videos, even sad ones like this.
Thank you.
Sorry Bob that you have to deal with this problem, but I know you will fix and make it right and even on this situation your serenity and all the information that you pass on your videos is awesome!! good luck and yes, this also Shall Pass!!!!. Thank you Bob.
Thanks for that
Hi Bob! Thank you for sharing the "bad" of beekeeping and honey stuff. I admire your bravery and truthfulness to do so. I can't imagine how bad this incident sucks, but you truly have just offered the world a crucial lesson that is priceless for those that listen. I'm interested in how the honey dryer works out once you get it going. Thank you - I love watching your videos, and I love to learn about the good and bad stuff. :) Chin up!
Thanks, I'll report.
Many thanks for sharing! Hope you get that dryer work. Greetings from Germany, Flo
Thank you. Hello to Germany.
A super informative video, sir. Many thanks for this information.
Thank you.
Hope the best for you. Thanks for the information.
Thank you too
Gotta take the rough with the smooth. Thank you for this video. We learn so much more from failure than success. You clearly know what you are doing to a world-class level, which is why its even more helpful to show that the learning, (and errors) never end.
You are right, it never ends.
We set an empty super propped up on boards on the corners. Above that goes a window screen. Above that goes wet supers. Set a box fan on top so that it pulls air thru the stack. Do this in an air conditioned very dry room. It will pull around 1% per day out of your honey.
Another great video Bob! Full of helpful insight and information. As for that Dadant honey dryer, I'd send it back. This may or may not be the case, but sometimes you just get a bad machine or piece of equipment. Years ago I had a Chevy Cavalier. Best running, most dependable car I've ever owned. Before we were married my wife had one, said it was the worst car she ever owned. Maybe the dryer is just a lemon.
Thanks. Hopefully we'll get it right.
Hang in there! Not a good year for honey. Your amazing! Great and informative info. Perfect tee shirt
Thanks, that's my favorite tee shirt.
We all make mistakes. It's the size of it that hurts!
Hope you can get it under control! Thanks for the truthful video!😉
Thanks.
Thank You Soooo much for Deciding to share, you just helped me understand how my honey ferments at 18% sometimes ,I've even mixed 16% to it to try and offset it before and still ended up fermenting..not Everytime , but I've lost quite a bit before...
We have been lucky. I think the luck is the fact that we store buckets of honey in our home. They're everywhere. We keep it around 70F so it's very dry. Our honey must dry out as its stored because I KNOW I'VE STORED 19% and it did not ferment.
Glad it was helpful!
Very educational. Thank you Sir!
Thanks.
Trust is important . Great entrepreneur information. Thank You 🙏🏻😷 stay safe Bob
Thanks.
Your depth of knowledge is amazing. Of course many things are learned from mistakes but you know honey. I have a spectrometer from maple syrup that I use and so far this year 17.5% is my highest moisture level. I know you'll figure this all out but it would have been easier if it wasn't 2020. Chin up and keep trying to get better. Thanks Bob for sharing.
Thanks, I'd settle for 17.5
Thanks a lot. Very informative and a problem for beekeepers discussed in video. How to handle honey to save from fermentation very interesting.
Thanks.
Thanks for posting. Keep your chin up. Hope you find success with the drying machine soon. 😌
Thank you.
I'll take the drums from you. I used to make mead in 10 gallon batches, I'll have to step up my game.
Hi Bob, I’m a new subscriber, new beekeeper and I’m learning a lot from your videos. I’m building frames as I’m listening and when this video started I looked up and my first thought was “wow he looks like Kenny Rogers”, even your voice resembles his. Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for your videos.....Lorie
Thank you Lori. I've heard that before.
I amazed how this guy is so polite after what happened to him!
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I'm a little over 1 year into my beekeeping journey,
A handful of hives, but plan to expand slowly but surely.
Your videos teach me something, every time, that I didn't even realise was a "thing"
Thank you for taking the time to help us newbies
I'm glad these videos are helping, thanks.
We have a heavy Cabbage Palm flow at the moment. I have an conniption fit when I have a frame with fermenting honey (hive ventilation issues where I live). It's been a strange year. We should be in a dearth and we still have a flow. I did splits yesterday. Keep up the videos. I always learn.
Thanks.
Thank you for this video. At 16% moisture my honey was hard to extract, caused more damage to the virgin comb and barely flowed through my filter baskets. Extracting and filtering took about 3 times longer than usual but, it's some of the richest and most flavorful honey we've ever produced. Guys, don't forget to calibrate your moisture meters.
Thanks for your comment.
Thanks for swallowing your pride and sharing. Good luck with it.
Thank you.
wish i could help thanks for sharing it does help educate
Thanks.
We can have the same problem here in Queensland Australia
When a bloodwood tree flowers here there is usually rain as well which of course makes honey ferment
That is the other problem here on the coast the humidity is is really high in summer as with the temperature
Thank you!
Welcome!
That’s a lesson for sure. Thank you for sharing. Is there a specific device you use to check the moisture content of your honey that you trust? You have an impressive operation and I respect your attention to the details. Great work!
We use simple refractometers that can be purchased in most bee supply catalogs. We have calibrating fluid to check them. Thanks.
Keep it up. I learned and now have a clue....
Thanks, it seems I'm always finding more clues.
@@bobbinnie9872 Its the adventures along the way that make us more successful
Thanks for the Reality TV episode! Lol
I keep thinking about a simple drum dryer that could be set into an open drum, or even though the bung hole with a little more work.
Basically picture a sloped "cookie sheet" (stainless steel tray) over the top of the drum, with a pump, maybe a small diameter plastic screw auger?, that runs to the bottom of the barrel, pulling honey up so it runs down the surface of the tray and back into the barrel.
You could have the bottom of the sheet taper into a funnel and flow back into the bung in a coaxial setup with the pump tube in the center and be able to do it with the lid on still.
Set this in a warm and low humidity room, and you get drying across both the tray, and the surface of barrel, with continuous circulation in the drum.
You could also do something like this larger and wall mounted, so you just put the drum underneath it and drop the suction line into it.
The more surface area of honey you can get, the more drying you get.
The pump would be the most expensive part, and then a little metal fab, and you could actually use a cookie sheet if you don't have a sheet metal brake lol
I know of some homemade units like this and they work well. I almost went this route but decided on this model because of my two friends that are having such good luck with them. They tell me theirs remove moisture fast. I'll get this one right. Thanks.
Second time through several of your videos and thank you for sharing your passion. What was the final verdict and the honey spilled and lost on the floor could it also be salvaged. I am hoping your crop was not lost. You’re a great teacher of bees and things.
Hi Timothy. We washed all that honey down the floor drain. It was isolated to one load that was purchased from a producer up north. Thanks.
Thanks for the vey good video, I will never bee a commercial honey harvester BUT i still want to learn ALL i can. I don't want to just see the successes in life but the failures as well. Always remember THE FAILURES MADE YOU A SUCCESS. My hat is off to you SIR love all your vids keep them coming.
To protect yourself, you might consider offering to buy honey based on 18% moisture. For every .1% increase/decrease in moisture above/below 18% the price for honey decreases/increases by $.10/lb.
Hi I know nothing about fermented honey. Hope you might do another video on its processing and uses. due to your video i have more questions haha.
! Is it edible.
2. How does it taste.
3. how is it treated/used after processing do you use it as is or blend it to mask any taste quality problems.
Enjoy your comprehensive explanations in everything Ive watched of yours blows me away with your knowledge of the subject Thank you for making me smarter.
Good questions. It tastes awful (my opinion), it is edible but I wouldn't want to be the one to eat it and of course all of this depends on the degree of fermentation. A little bit isn't too bad. After removing the alcohol the bad taste can be diluted by blending with good honey. I hope to have an update on our honey dryer soon and talk about the results. It's supposed to remove fermentation without high temperatures which would help a lot with the flavor.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks for replying to me. Please post what you do with this stuff.
Think i found the study on sugar feed ratios you mentioned too. best ratio seemed to be 1 to 1,3 ratio. will be giving it a go.
Well, it could be worse. Just imagine some bees get into the warehouse...
Here in Germany it's not allowed to pull moisture from honey by a machine. Same with adding extra sugar. Interesting to see how honey is processed overseas. Maybe the climate here is dryer so the regulators can 'afford' such rules.
Wow here in southern Arizona we find the content of moisture to be less than 18%. And not even 15%. What a shining 13% is what we look at and our Honey. How are the first time I was listening to how many producers as you put it some of them were willing to put water into the hive
Love that shirt
Good start for mead, or you could use it to make various honeys fermented with peppers or other spices
Interestingly, once honey has fermented on its own it doesn't taste good and it's not likely that that bad taste can be removed.
Ouch! No worries, keep rollin.
Thanks, no worries.
Hello Bob. Thanks so much for all you do to help us less experienced beekeepers! Love your videos! Could you please share what air dehumidifiers you have used and would recommend. I need to buy one here soon for my operation of about 200-300 colonies. Also, your bees have no trouble cleaning up what the hive beetles start to lay with the extra couple days of dehumidifying before they get the supers back after extraction? Thanks!
Hi Serge. The dehumidifier we use now is overkill for 2 or 3 hundred colonies. Dehumidifiers are rated in quarts or pints per day. For the size room you would probably use I would recommend a 50 to 64 pt. We try and extract before the fourth day. You have that much time before hive beetles start giving trouble. Also see "Removing Moisture Before Extracting" th-cam.com/video/B2-w4P8BPsQ/w-d-xo.html
Sounds good. Thanks Bob. Could you share what industrial brand you've been using until the recent dehumidifier purchase? Thanks!
Hi Bob, I know that in laboratory settings those venturi vacuum apparatuses can pull a good vacuum, but they can also introduce water vapor into the vac chamber. Presents problems for chemists doing "dry" reactions that can't tolerate even parts per million of water in the vapor phase. A couple workarounds people use are cooling the water used for the venturi (reduces the vapor pressure significantly) or they add something like glycol to the water to reduce the vapor pressure. Good luck with the mess, I can't even imagine!
Thank you for the info!
Hi Bob I have some frames of capped honey that I didn't have time to extract.in freezers.i didn't leave it on the hives because I needed to do mite treatments. I'm gonna thaw it out and put it back on some of my strongest hives for a couple of weeks to let the bees dehumidify it. The freezer causes that frost on the outside of the comb. Is why I'm thinking the moisture might be to high. I have never done this before. I hope it works.
Thanks for the great informative video again.
Hi Mark. You raise an interesting question. I think the bees will clean it up. The normal humidity in a bee hive is between 50 and 60 percent.
Really sorry this has happened to you.
Great positive attitude though 😊👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you! 😊
What I have learned about honey is that it is possible to have thick honey with a high moisture content and also thin honey with a low moisture content. So that may have been the case with the supplier.
But that is exactly the reason that you need a refractometer. To be precise and not just rely on the shake test
You take care sir beekeeper hir from phil/ canada
Hi Phil, thank you.
I know nothing about drying honey nor do I know how this machine works. But if the it is pulling moisture is it draining back into the vat? Plumbing needs the correct fall so it drain away. When moisture is pulled through tubing it will collect in side the tubing and could just run back into the vat. Does it have a check valve to prevent back flow of moisture? It the tube coming out the top is where the moisture goess out try giving it more fall away from thw vat that removes the moisture. Sometime if we arent getting result at the end doesn't mean the main starting point isnt working. Just some food for thought. Good luck hope you figured it out. Also when you create a vacuum it could be causing sweating in the vat as well. Make sure the vat has the correct insulation for your environment.
That bubble wrap retains moisture also. Have you tried equalized the honey temperature before you add it to the process?
Also I'm sure temperature of the room and honey play a factor. Sounds like you have taken into the humidity in the room in to account. Check to make sure you don't have a moisture issue in the room. Sometimes its not as obvious but could be just enough to have the honey suck it right out of the air after it has been dryed. Just trying to throw some ideas out there for you or anyone else that is reading this that could be having the same issue in the future.
Боб, спасибо вам за то, что говорите о проблеме, о которой другие пчеловоды молчат. Я тоже пришёл к выводу, что оптимальная влажность
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@@bobbinnie9872 Bob, thank you for speaking up about an issue that other beekeepers are silent about. I also came to the conclusion that the optimal humidity is