I love these Volkswagen turbo engines. They can make so much more power over stock barely doing anything. Then they’re still reliable while doing it for the most part. The altitude is definitely pretty high here also. The lowest area is about 3900 feet and the highest being near 8000
Being a huge PFI fan, and currently owning an MQB car, this video makes me happy. I'm hoping for more in the future, and maybe one day we can have a jb4 custom map 6 by Brent 😎
Love me some PFI and the whole family, but def appreciate the change in pace with the euro stuff. I currently have a mk6 gti and this def helped me make a decision to pull the trigger on son inlet/outlet pipes. Thanks and keep up the great work!
0.5 to 1 KR is nothing on these cars. 3-4 across all cyl is usually when knock starts happening. Anything higher than 4+ you are knocking. APR actually turns down the KR sensitivity on their tunes.
Isn't it more likely that the horsepower gain is actually from the E85 mix and the reason you're seeing gains over multiple pulls is the mix becoming more concentrated with ethanol?
@@bbowers825 The factory makes changes regardless when you mix the fuels. From memory, it allows upto E30 of a mix before it cannot make anymore adjustments.
Disclaimer: I have little idea what I’m talking about. I’m not sure if there are gains in hp with ethanol being added to the fuel alone, and im pretty sure the ethanol only allowed the engine to run on the same “baseline” they were getting on pump gas under different conditions. Im assuming the timing was advanced uniformly across the tests and it’s still a fair comparison.
I run a Uni stage 2 GTI with JB4 stack, I have the APR intake and APR turbo inlet pipe. For tuned cars I think its a must, every little bit helps. For me, I would say its 100% worth it for 5HP. Otherwise thats 5 HP less you dont get and they are not that expensive.
Only thing I’ll add that makes this video with his inlet tests a bit questionable regarding his gains. His car also picked up more power the more runs he did after adding the ethanol because you were trying to reach the normal base line you already had. You have to factor that in. Ethanol mix’s can add 10hp by themselves. So with the ethanol and inlet combined. Going from 292 to 303 is completely expected.
The question I always have about these tests is...why not repeat the baseline run at the end to close it up and show that with the oe elbow (or whatever part you are testing) truly bring the power back down to the level you started?
I suppose if we were trying to be a bit more scientific about it we could. Time constraints is why aren't able to continue to swap parts. The cars need to cool in between runs for consistency. We were making sure temps were the same so results wouldn't be skewed because of that. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video. My 2018 Golf R made 390 HP and 408 ftlbs on the dyno with APR stage 2, 42DD Downpipe and ECS intake. I don't have the car anymore, but it sure would have been nice to see if I could have gotten to 400 HP with the elbow.
Thanks for the time to make this video ..Ive been asking about the Audi i keep seeing in the background of other videos ..it looked like a B7 model tho .. Keep it Radd Boiz !
Oscar Corona Sorry but you are wrong. The blowoff valve will not vent under boost. That is compressor surge which happens when he gets onto the boost but is outside of the efficiency map of the compressor. It is a tuning issue.
Oscar Corona wrong again. You clearly haven’t watched the Dino video or the video I posted. I suggest you take a minute to educate yourself rather than making unfounded statements
are you talking about the factory air scoop where people cut out the side to open up for more air and remove the upper grill piece blocking that air inlet?
IS38 doesnt make 400whp on pump. Not sure what correction you are using but it’s nothing like what you would see on a typical dynojet at sea level. Where can these datazaps be found?
If his car is on 93 oct tune and yours in 91 oct tune. APR it's making way more power. If you had it on 93 oct your car would showed approx. 15 hp or more
We're both limited by the amount of available air at our elevation. I think the two tunes are pretty close in power and performance with the nod going to IE by a small margin. Our times at the track tell the same story.
Can you explain the install on the IE intake and IE turbo inlet tube. The inlet tube brings a silicon piece and the intake does as well thats suppose to connect to the stock inlet. Which silicon coupler do you use?
APR intake doesn't do much as far as air flow. If you just take off snow guard from air filter stock air box will do almost exact air flow as APRs. If you just get rid of snow guard and get a K&N drop in it measured much better air flow when you compare to APRs. There is a guy testing all those air intakes with air flow machine. You can find it on google.
@@yoyigu not sure about ams, but testings showed that stock airbox is really well designed. Of course any open type air intake will flow more air. But you gotta deal with heat soaks and actually losing power.
@@Abdullah-ry2wq I have had CTS 6 months with no problems. Geeze what did you use a breaker bar? Cant put that on CTS...That one is on you. To each is own I guess.
We do close the doors to appease the neighbors and keep the sound level down. It also really helps with lighting when recording. The doors are typically open when not recording though
@@woodyclio except it was never meant to do that, correction according to the different standars, SAE, DIN, etc, was meant to compensate for SMALL climatic variations at sea level in different weather/season.
Everything I've found thus far states that inlet pipes do nothing for power but simply increase throttle response. Seeing how the inlet pipe gets reduced at the turbo to fit the coupler, isn't the desired result negated by the reduction at the coupler?
@@MIK23458 It’s funny how anyone can think euro fuel and American fuel is the same you see all petroleum oil has the same amount of energy in it and the detergents are what gives an edge in the end product but in the states they put corn oil yes corn that you eat a whole 10% of it and I’m not going to get into the fact that could feed half of all people without food but corn has far less potential energy in it so to think its the same stuff is laughable by the way the RON is only the amount the fuel can be squeezed without exploding not the energy in the explosion
Ha ha, yeah yeah. The main dyno fan was in use on the other dyno with a 2jz powered IS300 making 650. We'll get another big fan eventually so there's one for each dyno. The box fan actually moves a decent amount of air, and is better than no fan I suppose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for watching!
There is so much noise and nonsense in the VW community regarding these engines and mods. "Turbo inlet doesn't make any horsepower," blah blah blah. Now, admittedly when I looked at my stock turbo inlet pipe, I figured an aftermarket wouldn't really be a benefit at all. However, coming from years of tuning DSMs, my mantra was always to add parts individually, tune for them, and see the results at the drag strip. I can't stand all of this VW "stage' nonsense because everyone just does certain mods and applies a flash and calls it a day. Nobody tunes the car themselves or actually tests mods with proper tuning and then they run their mouths on the internet about how certain parts do nothing because it's not required by their in-the-box "stage" tuning. Well, no shit, if your car isn't tuned for the part then it's not going to gain power. Or, they see a 5-10 hp increase and write it off as useless because "a tune will net you so much more power for the money." Well hey, when you're actually trying to go faster at the track, sometimes it requires you to spend a little cash on a part that only makes a slight difference, but actually helps a lot once you start modding the car even more. Gee, it's almost like nobody in the VW community cares about actually driving their cars fast! Or they don't understand how bolt-ons work. It's super frustrating to look into these things and see people spouting "experience" on the internet when they really have none. Grab your laptop, go to the track, and test the shit. Or do it on a dyno. Anything less is just spouting nonsense. I like PFI. You guys are cool.
stage 2 apr 93 makes same as stock honda civic type r, hmmm. btw i have both 2015 stage 2 apr 93 s3 and 2018 honda civic type fully built and tuned now hovering around 400 whp and torque before anyone questions
A stock civic type r does not make 360whp stock so what are you talking about? And if your "fully built" civic makes only 400whp then it DEFINITELY not fully built... and I own a 600whp lsv
Thanks for putting in the time, effort, and costs for running this experiment. Interesting results.
I love these Volkswagen turbo engines. They can make so much more power over stock barely doing anything. Then they’re still reliable while doing it for the most part. The altitude is definitely pretty high here also. The lowest area is about 3900 feet and the highest being near 8000
I saw a video about a guy all stock except downpipe and exhaust +tuned to 370hp every years he do 60k km no issue at all
wish more people would make videos like this, super useful thanks 👍👍
Being a huge PFI fan, and currently owning an MQB car, this video makes me happy. I'm hoping for more in the future, and maybe one day we can have a jb4 custom map 6 by Brent 😎
So which inlet produced more gain?
Love me some PFI and the whole family, but def appreciate the change in pace with the euro stuff. I currently have a mk6 gti and this def helped me make a decision to pull the trigger on son inlet/outlet pipes. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Thanks! Much appreciated. I'll be taking the S3 on Race week here in a few days, so keep an eye out for more coming soon.
0.5 to 1 KR is nothing on these cars. 3-4 across all cyl is usually when knock starts happening. Anything higher than 4+ you are knocking. APR actually turns down the KR sensitivity on their tunes.
Isn't it more likely that the horsepower gain is actually from the E85 mix and the reason you're seeing gains over multiple pulls is the mix becoming more concentrated with ethanol?
Except most people run a ethanol sensor so they can tell once the gas mix becomes mostly ethanol...
@@bbowers825 The factory makes changes regardless when you mix the fuels. From memory, it allows upto E30 of a mix before it cannot make anymore adjustments.
Disclaimer: I have little idea what I’m talking about. I’m not sure if there are gains in hp with ethanol being added to the fuel alone, and im pretty sure the ethanol only allowed the engine to run on the same “baseline” they were getting on pump gas under different conditions. Im assuming the timing was advanced uniformly across the tests and it’s still a fair comparison.
My thoughts exactly. It needs to be done again without messing with the fuel.
@@sv.motorsports is this true?
I run a Uni stage 2 GTI with JB4 stack, I have the APR intake and APR turbo inlet pipe. For tuned cars I think its a must, every little bit helps. For me, I would say its 100% worth it for 5HP. Otherwise thats 5 HP less you dont get and they are not that expensive.
what 1/4 mile times you running with the uni stack?
How's the sound with that intake? Most say it pretty much whisper silent...
Great results. Keeping in mind this is done on a mustang dyno. Heartbreakers and all
THANK YOU! This is a video I've been wanting to see if it's even worth it to get the inlet for my APR tuned B7 Passat.
Only thing I’ll add that makes this video with his inlet tests a bit questionable regarding his gains. His car also picked up more power the more runs he did after adding the ethanol because you were trying to reach the normal base line you already had. You have to factor that in. Ethanol mix’s can add 10hp by themselves. So with the ethanol and inlet combined. Going from 292 to 303 is completely expected.
The question I always have about these tests is...why not repeat the baseline run at the end to close it up and show that with the oe elbow (or whatever part you are testing) truly bring the power back down to the level you started?
I suppose if we were trying to be a bit more scientific about it we could. Time constraints is why aren't able to continue to swap parts. The cars need to cool in between runs for consistency. We were making sure temps were the same so results wouldn't be skewed because of that. Thanks for watching!
100% understand - great that you doing it
Thanks for this video. My 2018 Golf R made 390 HP and 408 ftlbs on the dyno with APR stage 2, 42DD Downpipe and ECS intake. I don't have the car anymore, but it sure would have been nice to see if I could have gotten to 400 HP with the elbow.
Mi audi s3 en etapa 2 también con esas modificaciones podrá dar 390hp
@@eduardohernandez1697ur turbo will say bye
Thanks for the time to make this video ..Ive been asking about the Audi i keep seeing in the background of other videos ..it looked like a B7 model tho ..
Keep it Radd Boiz !
Thanks for watching!
If PFI starts tuning MQB's on the cobb accessport I'm fucking driving from Houston to Colorado!
Honestly that’s amazing it made that much. I definitely feel good about putting one on my car last year
Butt Dyno says that the inlet pipe was a good investment, but I'm glad we have solid numbers!
You should dyno test the EQT MQB 2.5" DISCHARGE PIPE + TURBO MUFFLED DELETE next.
@NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes nice! anything is an improvement over factory necking down to 1.25 inches!!!!!
That density altitude is insane 🤯.......I hate when it’s over 1500 here in NC
Nice Legion. :D 15:11 for results.
Appreciate your efforts mate.
You can definitely hear the turbo surge on the second car right as he starts the pull at 11:58
Not surge, BOV doing it's work... sound become more noticeable because of the CAI
Oscar Corona Sorry but you are wrong. The blowoff valve will not vent under boost. That is compressor surge which happens when he gets onto the boost but is outside of the efficiency map of the compressor. It is a tuning issue.
Watch this. It is Open throttle surge.
th-cam.com/video/2QaajARc_CQ/w-d-xo.html
@@Stazi75 surge only happens when you let off the throttle
Oscar Corona wrong again. You clearly haven’t watched the Dino video or the video I posted. I suggest you take a minute to educate yourself rather than making unfounded statements
Thumbs up for Dave!
Waaah that's insane power for a turbo inlet elbow! I got mine from Leyo Motorsport, I'd count it equivalent to IE.
Sounds better with the IE intake imo
Agreed, love the way the IE sounds for sure!
Apparently the way the apr is designed doesn't suck enough cold air. The grill is only inserted on passenger side in US. Driver side for UK spec
are you talking about the factory air scoop where people cut out the side to open up for more air and remove the upper grill piece blocking that air inlet?
5-8 hp on a Stage 2 tuned car? On a nearly stock car - think i'll pass. Thanks for the info, very in depth!!!
🤦♂️🤣🤣🤣
Are you ok sir ?
Great video, Gents.👍 Who's the old school bmx fan?!🤔👍🏁
What’s that sound that the second S3 made mid pull? Was that compressor surge?
I think it was a Diverter Valve Spacer, my Golf R does at around 2800-3000 when I pull
... How heavy are those wheels/tires? Does audi put forged or cast stuff on the their S cars?
I heard the turbo do a little bit of a in and out whistle. Could that be it ? Is that like a boost leak or so?
Awesome video! Great information
So which one did they say work the best I didn’t catch it??🤔
How is that little box fan providing enough cold air for that dyno?
Next mod should be some nail clippers!
I work on cars, not worried about what my nails look like, lol, but thanks for watching either way!
@@b16crxturbo But you don't want nails like a woman😉
IS38 doesnt make 400whp on pump. Not sure what correction you are using but it’s nothing like what you would see on a typical dynojet at sea level.
Where can these datazaps be found?
Don't forget they mixed in e85
Great video. Can you do one with a PTP turbo blanket Dyno before and after?
Ain't that fan a bit small, would of got more power with a better one I would have thought??
Yeah... It was better than no fan. We did let the car cool between runs for consistency.
If his car is on 93 oct tune and yours in 91 oct tune. APR it's making way more power. If you had it on 93 oct your car would showed approx. 15 hp or more
We're both limited by the amount of available air at our elevation. I think the two tunes are pretty close in power and performance with the nod going to IE by a small margin. Our times at the track tell the same story.
What are you using for data log this cars?
Every little bit helps 😎
what do you guys use for logging ?
The #ORIGINAL #PFIBOIZ #KSWAPTER
The waveyness looks like you’re smashing into torque limiters.
I was wonder about the inlet for a while i got a mk7 gti is38, i wonder if its worth it the inlet thx
Bonjour à tous 😊
Quelle est donc la meilleure piece à acheter ?
I didn't catch the conclusion of IE vs CTS
Can you explain the install on the IE intake and IE turbo inlet tube. The inlet tube brings a silicon piece and the intake does as well thats suppose to connect to the stock inlet. Which silicon coupler do you use?
The Humble Mechanic just did this install on his Mk.7 Golf R, very similar install. Check out his YT video!
Try the malaka motor sports one
Soooo which one is better for a gti 😂
Following as well lol
Did you guys ever figure out what was up with his car? My S3 seems to surge at mid range loads like his was. What was the cause?
Bad tune...
Ams intake works with the IE turbo inlet pipe ? I Currently have the cts.. but the IE is... WOW. Any help is welcome!
I wish I could answer that, but I don't have any experience with the AMS part.
So bigger intake = more power?.. What do you think about apr intake? Apr inlet?
In our testing, yes, the larger inlet makes more power. We didn't test an APR inlet as we didn't have one.
APR intake doesn't do much as far as air flow. If you just take off snow guard from air filter stock air box will do almost exact air flow as APRs. If you just get rid of snow guard and get a K&N drop in it measured much better air flow when you compare to APRs. There is a guy testing all those air intakes with air flow machine. You can find it on google.
@@koston777 with ams intake too?
@@yoyigu not sure about ams, but testings showed that stock airbox is really well designed. Of course any open type air intake will flow more air. But you gotta deal with heat soaks and actually losing power.
@@koston777 i have cts intercooler for that :) , ams intake is one of the best intakes imo, and looks sexy!
Is same downpipe golf7 R and Audi S3
So who’s better ECSTUNING turbo inlet or IE Turbo inlet?
IE
Cts..lol
Yandizzle I had the cts before it’s really bad!! i tightened it a little bit much , and the meterial damaged and defect like chinese parts
@@Abdullah-ry2wq I have had CTS 6 months with no problems. Geeze what did you use a breaker bar? Cant put that on CTS...That one is on you. To each is own I guess.
Yandizzle I searched for the same problem and I've seen a lot of people run into the same problem 🤷🏻♂️ .. go search it (cts turbo inlet failure)
I need help with my 2004 Audi A4 , it doesn't have spark or power to the coils. What can it be?
Hope u fixed the issue i use to own a 2004 a4 3.0 fwd ultra sport model. Had her up to 182k miles before i sold her.
ummm anyone else notice the garage doors closed on a nice day, with a good looking shop? why not let the exhaust go outside
Lighting issues for cameras.. Brent talked about this before.
We do close the doors to appease the neighbors and keep the sound level down. It also really helps with lighting when recording. The doors are typically open when not recording though
What does corrected mean with the dyno numbers? Love the Audi btw
Corrected is what it would make at sea level. Due them being higher up than sea level they have less dense air. DA is Density altitude
@@woodyclio except it was never meant to do that, correction according to the different standars, SAE, DIN, etc, was meant to compensate for SMALL climatic variations at sea level in different weather/season.
OOOOOHHHH y'all in COLORADO?!?!!!
I just got a MKIV GTI hmmm I might need to hit y'all up when I get my Ko4 👀
Where are y'all located?
Corrected?
Does it void Warranty
So did the ECS or IE perform better?
In our testing, the IE made a little more power. The ECS is the better value in my opinion
@@b16crxturbo better value for money or same performance?
@@j255c ECS made nearly the same power and is a bit less money.
At 11:59 doesn’t sound normal to hear the diverter valve when he is flooring it.
Mine does this at times too, what causes it?
Everything I've found thus far states that inlet pipes do nothing for power but simply increase throttle response. Seeing how the inlet pipe gets reduced at the turbo to fit the coupler, isn't the desired result negated by the reduction at the coupler?
Diverter valve issue on the silver S3
Think that would show up on logs?
Improve hp great guys
What was the random pull from the is300
Where’s the golf R tests 🤦♂️
That’s low what do you run that on lantern oil you need some euro spec fuel
91 octane is all we get around here.
r6bunny The octane rating in the US is not the same as in Europe. They use a different ratio and our 97 Ron is equal to US 91.
When you got the whale blubber tune
@@MIK23458 It’s funny how anyone can think euro fuel and American fuel is the same you see all petroleum oil has the same amount of energy in it and the detergents are what gives an edge in the end product but in the states they put corn oil yes corn that you eat a whole 10% of it and I’m not going to get into the fact that could feed half of all people without food but corn has far less potential energy in it so to think its the same stuff is laughable by the way the RON is only the amount the fuel can be squeezed without exploding not the energy in the explosion
all results null and void due to that fucking box fan lmao
Ha ha, yeah yeah. The main dyno fan was in use on the other dyno with a 2jz powered IS300 making 650. We'll get another big fan eventually so there's one for each dyno. The box fan actually moves a decent amount of air, and is better than no fan I suppose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for watching!
@@b16crxturbo im just giving you shit, but i got a laugh out of that. great comparison vid
Can y’all invest in a better dyno fan lmao tf is that
There is so much noise and nonsense in the VW community regarding these engines and mods. "Turbo inlet doesn't make any horsepower," blah blah blah. Now, admittedly when I looked at my stock turbo inlet pipe, I figured an aftermarket wouldn't really be a benefit at all. However, coming from years of tuning DSMs, my mantra was always to add parts individually, tune for them, and see the results at the drag strip.
I can't stand all of this VW "stage' nonsense because everyone just does certain mods and applies a flash and calls it a day. Nobody tunes the car themselves or actually tests mods with proper tuning and then they run their mouths on the internet about how certain parts do nothing because it's not required by their in-the-box "stage" tuning. Well, no shit, if your car isn't tuned for the part then it's not going to gain power. Or, they see a 5-10 hp increase and write it off as useless because "a tune will net you so much more power for the money."
Well hey, when you're actually trying to go faster at the track, sometimes it requires you to spend a little cash on a part that only makes a slight difference, but actually helps a lot once you start modding the car even more. Gee, it's almost like nobody in the VW community cares about actually driving their cars fast! Or they don't understand how bolt-ons work.
It's super frustrating to look into these things and see people spouting "experience" on the internet when they really have none. Grab your laptop, go to the track, and test the shit. Or do it on a dyno. Anything less is just spouting nonsense.
I like PFI. You guys are cool.
stage 2 apr 93 makes same as stock honda civic type r, hmmm. btw i have both 2015 stage 2 apr 93 s3 and 2018 honda civic type fully built and tuned now hovering around 400 whp and torque before anyone questions
A stock civic type r does not make 360whp stock so what are you talking about? And if your "fully built" civic makes only 400whp then it DEFINITELY not fully built... and I own a 600whp lsv
Talking out your ass haha
Stock Civic Type R making 360 wheel....sure thing buddy