Josh Pate On CFP Reaction - Was FSU Screwed? SEC Bias? (Late Kick Cut)
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- The College Football Playoff picture is set with the CFP Committee selecting Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Alabama. On Sunday night Josh Pate took time on Late Kick Live Ep 460 to react. What had to happen in order for Alabama to get in over a team like FSU? Should the Seminoles have been punished for losing their star QB? Will we see Texas punch their ticket to their first national title game since 2009? How will Washington fare? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Is it just me or is Georgia abt to prove why Florida state isn’t top 4 😂
Hey Pate, how about you promote regional parity in Bowl placement to see if the so called best conference can travel and play "away" bowl games? I don't think you have the guts to even mention it. Why change that which gives your conference a huge advantage, right?
The bias towards the SEC is that they have a major "built in advantage". They get all of the Bowl games, major and minor, played in their territory. Home games matter, and the SEC gets it baked in. If they had to play these bowls out West, or in the North. The SEC would have lost half of the National Titles they have won.
Strength of Schedule is inaccurate. Tennessee being ranked well ahead Utah, even though the Pac-12 was a far more difficult conference to navigate proves that it is inaccurate. Tenn lost to Florida, while Utah beat Florida..
Unfortunately fsu is not a top 4 team with the qb injury it’s bad luck but they got it right
You have officially shown yourself a hack and a fraud. I hope that the show dies.
They were talking all week that a playoff with no sec team is absurd, frankly unimaginable, can’t happen. So basically they admit that no matter what sec will always have 1 or more of 4 spots.
What they really mean is it’s absurd to have a national title without bama in it . Everyone just dick rides Alabama
Yea bc SEC is better and sells. Lol nobody wants to see a high scoring ass playoff game bc both teams suck lol sec is just better. If you want to actually compete for playoffs come to the SEC, roll tide
an undefeated SEC team should always be in over someone who goes 13-0 and hasn't played anyone and all their mid team wins were close... FSU in the SEC would lose 2 games at least. Yall mad at Bama yet Texas jumped FSU too! other than beating Bama who did they play in the end to give them the right over FSU???
Yes when they have a number 1 team that losses you have to put the team that beat them in. SEC always brings the most money so why leave them out it’s not smart choice the SEC has never lost semi final play off game past merit matters
@@Eddyboy309 Bama DESERVED to be in. However, Texas did not and should have been first out with FSU in. I love how all these idiots focus on Bama who just beat the 2x defending champion that was on a fucking TWENTY NINE GAME WIN STREAK, but conveniently ignore the part where 7th ranked Texas slips in over FSU and it isn't an issue? Fuck off.
As a complete neutral (Louisiana Tech fan, pain…), it’s just hard to stomach that the committee changed its tune this year when it has consistently gone with the “most deserving”, see TCU and Michigan State. Feel terrible for FSU players and fans. It definitely feels like robbery. Bama is better, but with FSU’s defense, I think they deserved a chance.
Tell me what better win did FSU have over anyone in the top 10?
@@tiamaria6968 not the point of my comment. FSU was ranked in the top 4 without Travis and was dropped this week in favor of an admittedly better team. That just makes me feel for FSU. Anger is justified I think. SEC homers are all so touchy, gosh. Kidding, I don’t mean anything by that. I can only dream of my team being so much as ranked, lol.
@@tiamaria6968 Top 10 teams only have 10 losses between them. They did beat LSU by the largest margin of anyone all season. They also just dominated Louisville's offense where Louisville themselves is ranked 15 and they have an offense to match even though FSU didn't make it look like that. They went out and beat two SEC teams not named MSST or Vandy. They have 0 losses which should be important. The bottom line is that the committee didn't have the balls to leave the SEC out so they put Bama in and worked backwards from there.
It sounds like you answered your own question. "see tcu and michigan state"
Nobody wanted that again and they said that was the criteria.
@@jimland7176Florida is a trash team, that’s a fact. So don’t act like they should be credit for beating an SEC powerhouse. LSU has an atrocious defense, it’s not like they are a real contender. FSU did not have a win comparable to Georgia and they didn’t even play a team as good as Texas. SOS should matter a lot.
This is why I like the FCS Playoffs.. No committees, No politics, it's Win or go home. Everything is done on the field LAST team standing. It's all about Ratings and Sponsorship Money.
I don't knock anyone for how they feel, I just like the FCS Tournament better💯✌️😉
The thing that’s most jarring to me is that FSU is ranked ABOVE Georgia. So, in the committees own logic, FSU is a better football team than Georgia, but not a better team than Texas or Alabama. Just bizarre man
they arent better than bama fsu wont beat ga in their toilet bowl game unless a bunch of ga starters opt out of the game
@@jasoncolwell7293 but if fsu were to lose you would be saying "tHiS wHy ThEy DiDn'T dEsErVe tO bE iN, cAn'T bEaT UGA wItHoUt tHeIr sTaRtErS" so THE FUCK YOU WANT US TO DO. If we decline the bowl we would be "Ducking UGA and an SEC team" so tell me honestly. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOUUUUUU WANT US TO DO?
Can someone explain to me, in what other major sport on this planet is the post season chosen based off of predictive opinions on what matchups would be the best and draw the most attention, over objectively looking at proven wins and record? I understand that it’s different with all the conferences but surely theres a better and more objective way then a tiny four team playoff with completely vague and subjective criteria. And yes I understand this is changing, it’s just stupid that this had to happen and that a certain team just got fucked over due to bad timing.
March Madness.
@@cleveland2022 fair, but march madness is a massive bracket and conference champs are given automatic bids, vs an insanely restrictive four team system where you can apparently be an undefeated champ of a top conference and not even get a fair shot.
march madness also allows for and encourages massive upsets which doesn’t as happen when your basically choosing the best four rosters every single year.
@@nomorepartiezztrue but it doesnt do FSU any favors this year. I said when they announced it was only 4 teams that it should have been 8 from the start. But Alabama deserved to get in over FSU. If anyone should be pissed its Georgia
Boxing. Also UFC.
When a team says they have no interest in joining a more competitive conference & want the easy path to a natty or New Year's bowl game, they get what the earned. Should have joined the SEC when they had the chance instead of taking the cowards path.
It DID sort itself out though. Three undefeated power 5 conference champions. The other two 1-loss conference champions had played each other head to head. Every objective metric puts Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Texas in the playoff. Instead we had a conference room of people decide their opinion is more important than actual on-field results.
Well said. It was sorted out but they made a mess of it.
The old BCS rankings would have put Bama at 3 and FSU at 4
How does every fan in existence know this but a room full of “experts” get it wrong 🤯🤯🤯
@@rayallaire4423obvious questions typically result in obvious answers. Here’s hoping we get honest football in the 12 team era.
Not necessarily. If Bama had lost to auburn then fsu would’ve made it in. If fsu had dominated Louisville or had beat a top 5 team.
They should award Jordan Travis the Heisman for this. If his injury alone is enough to screw FSU like this, then he’s obviously the best player in college football.
Yeah just ignore the other quarterbacks with a complete resume because his team got snubbed. That would be as much bull as FSU getting left out.
Edit: I should rephrase that, people would be just as upset about it as they are over FSU getting left out.
Brilliant!
100 freakin percent my friend. If they're gonna have their cake, then they need to eat it too
Definitely not how that works
@@ImChazo Logically, it is
In my opinion, with FSU going 13-0 is hurtful to the program recruiting in general goes how can you sit there and state that if you win your games become the conference champ that you’re not playoff eligible what student in their right mind would want to play for a team no matter how they play on the field gets left out they would not want to go to that program because the bowl game for FSU it’s just a losers cup because how many of those players are going to opt out on that game that means nothing and what does that do for the first day as a 13 -1 and the playoff committee needs to be a complete neutral entity that does not have ESPN or SEC biased attached to it
In current system, it definitely hurts recruiting. Playoff goes to 12 teams next year, so that will not be an issue. Also, FSU was very close to pulling the plug and leaving the ACC this year. They had a board meeting about it a few days prior to the deadline to announce you are leaving a conference back in August. FSU will be in a new conference by 2025 I believe.
And This is one of the key factors as to why Alabama has ran cfb for the last decade. No matter what cfb places them as main priority 1 loss 2 loss don’t matter they’ll always push for Alabama. And therefore it’s gonna be the same schools running the table with the best recruits (Bama, Georgia) further leaving the competition one sided
because we're entering a new regime. 12 teams leaves much less up for debate. I was a fan of 16 teams, but 12 is infinitely better.
@@mazda787b2 never said that at all .. if it was earned it was earned that’s what sports is about… but just think if the shoe was on the other foot and Bama QB got hurt and they played their final 2-3 games with a 3rd string QB… you think their gonna keep Bama out the playoffs if they win out like FSU did ?? Like really think about that… cause I could almost guarantee the committee would do everything in their power to make sure bama is in playoffs.
Was FSU Screwed? Yes. Its only loss was to the committee.
Roll tide
Are you gonna seek a legal litigation against the committee?
@@whodat4lyfekris fsu is not the same team without Travis people have to come to that realization
There were 6 legit great teams and no matter what (1) team was going to get screwed over because it’s the system we have.
then beat them… FSU shut down Lousville last night. That same Lousville team who just dropped a ton of points on Kentucky.Alabama needed a miracle to beat a sorry Auburn team that lost to New Mexico State.FSU lays the wood to washington with a 2nd string qb and they give Bama,Michigan all they can handle. FSU should decline the invitation to the Orange Bowl and move on to 2024 just like college was ready to move om from them in 2023.
Borderline daily reminder that TCU beat Michigan last year in the playoff.
EXACTLY!!! If TCU DIDN'T BELONG THAN THE UNDEFEATED B10 CHAMPION DIDN'T EITHER. Keep reminding people
@@Mike-sp7zv yep! And further proof that the SEC is too dominant to leave out.
65-7 buddy. Idc if Michigan won or lost to TCU. They would have put up more than 7 freaking points in the natty. Let’s stop lying to ourselves. TCU losing that game is a huge part of why FSU was left out this year
@@Wes1128but they lost. So doesn’t matter lol. They play for a reason. TCU didn’t show up and were outmatched but that score would never happen again.
@@TheGtrot4if they turned around and played Georgia the next week the score would have likely been even worse. TCU DIDNT belong there, needed michigans worst game in a decade to scrape by
I’m only disappointed that this scenario played out in the 10th year instead of the first or second year. If it had, we would have gotten a 12-team playoff much sooner.
Why is no one mad texas got in..they didn't beat the former national champs.. they were just handed the spot that fsu should have got
@@thethinkingmansgame5050 This decision was all about protecting the SEC. The committee gambled that the backlash from FSU would pale in comparison to the backlash from SEC country.
Basically they were cowards. If this was about sporting integrity, we would have gotten Mich, Wash, Texas and FSU
@@thethinkingmansgame5050Because Texas has a direct road win over Alabama
If it wouldn’t be for the powers at be in ACC we would already have a 12 team playoff
Yup, it’ unfortunate timing. This is a season built for that playoff structute
You are a clear thinker....so comprehensive and honest, true. Really truly brilliant commentary. I'm 67 a life long OU supporter....man I enjoyed listening to your wisdom......
JP is just wrong to compare FSU being left out to Alabama being left out as both “being screwed.” Bama LOST a game. FSU didn’t. FSU got screwed. Bama being left out would have just been unlucky but they wouldn’t have been “screwed.”
bama wouldn't have been unlucky if left out, that's just logical. nothing on paper puts bama in.
@@herrtrigger7220 Except playing a much tougher schedule, having much better wins and being a much better team
Why are I acting like fsu played the level of competition like bama did💀
This 100% is a case of the “helmet logo tie breaker” if Bama was named Miss St or Florida FSU gets in
@@Jacob-ec6stbut Alabama was a loser to another team
8 team playoff was absolutely needed this season. 12 is going to be too many, but 8 team would have been awesome this year.
And it wouldve made rivalry weekend and several weeks of the regular season meaningless. Is that what you want?
@@nickamalfitano3613I’ve been saying that exact same thing
@@nickamalfitano3613How? If you’re in the top 12 then every game is a playoff game towards the end of the season.. I’ve never seen people so upset that they’re getting more football..
This was always going to happen with Five conferences and four spots. It should've been six from the start, conference Champs plus highest ranked mid major.
Now with 12 they're turning it into basketball 🏀
8 would be the perfect number of teams
And if fsu beats Georgia, they can claim a national championship and I’ll agree with them. Until then I don’t feel bad
That’s a BIG “if.” Georgia will show the nation why FSU didn’t belong in CFP.
Same. I hope both teams have no key opt outs.
@@cameronlewis6870 hence why I said I’d give them a claimed national championship
@@cameronlewis6870 and actually proves nothing except Georgia beat FSU. If you are picking teams you do not pick what if. Best is tossed around, no one is best until you actually play a game versus that team or teams!! Prognosticating is for Vegas and gamblers!!
@@randalcquebedeaux314keep your hair on.
Thank you for being the voice of the fans!!
Regardless of the selection, feel for the players. They played their asses off and found a way to win through adversity. The guys that forewent the draft to come back for this season put in all the work and didn't get selected. They will never have another shot. Thanks to those guys, my favorite Nole team ever.
Last episode Josh pate was all in on Florida state being in and is now making arguments against the same things he said last episode. You’re not beating the fence sitter allegations Josh. you’re terrified to have a firm opinion. Fence sit after fence sit per usual. It’s a shame
I was thinking the same thing, all about FSU until the big guys say other wise
He didn't do all that, he said the 4th team will most likely be FSU, but if he was picking it would be Alabama
At the end of the day as long as bama is a one loss team they will always make it to the playoff . Beat Georgia by 3 and been struggling most of the season when fsu has been dominating and winning out of conference games and in conference games even won two games with a back up qb and 3rd string qb . Bama will always be put above everyone else. All these content creators are dick riding Alabama .
@@caramelpop9427The videos are still up. You’re blatantly lying he stated that multiple times.
@@vonkytonk9754I’ve been watching him since around Covid and he never has genuine opinions anymore. EVERYTHING he says is fence sitting. This FSU example is practically mocking his viewers
All of these “analyst” said that if FSU goes undefeated they are in no matter what happens with the other teams and now they are saying the committee made the right decision? Come on, we all know this is for money.
Perhaps the most "real" take on this so far. Kudos Josh
I never want to hear "expanding the playoffs will make the regular season meaningless"
The regular season couldn't get any more meaningless than it is right now.
12 team playoff will not help a corrupt system focused on money alone. Integrity has left the game. I am a lifelong Georgia fan and disgusted FSU was left out.
I’m a lifelong BAMA fan and I’m disgusted UGA got left out. SO WE COULD BEAT YOU AGAIN.
The one thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that the FSU backup would have a month to practice before playoff.
Still wouldn't have mattered. Their offense wasn't impressive against Florida. They just played a shit schedule.
Hardly the same as a proven QB who's played the whole season. That's the problem, it isn't that he isn't good. For all we know he might be greatest QB in history but right now no one knows and they have to factor an unknown on the most important position on the field as part of the equation. Its also not helped by not having the rest of the team having absolutely dominated all their opponents. For example as good as people claim their defense is it isn't like they were keeping every team they played to single digits. Its not like they are sitting on a couple 1k/yard running backs who this QB can just hand it off to and know they are going to pickup that 3rd and 8. The o-line isn't shutting down the rush with 24 sacks on the season. Now they aren't horrible in any of those areas either but none of them are dominate enough to help overlook the QB issue. This team needs its best QB behind center and right now he has to watch from the sidelines. What's sad is that's its a no one's fault situation it just is what it is.
@@chadsamples6178Ohio State beat Bama just a few years ago in the NC game with their 3rd string QB. What’s the difference with FSU not getting in because of that?
@@timothys3119yes it happens, and we all remember it because its very unusual. The exception does not make the rule. When such a situation does occur one of two things has to happen. Either some other portion of the team (defense, running backs, etc...) step up and goes absolute beast mode. Or the backup QB steps in and makes it look like there was little or no drop off. They played the last 2 games with backups which of those two situations occurred in either more or less both of those games? Again they are a really good team but they aren't great even with their star. Without him they are simply a good team.
54 passing yards against louisville and they literally dropped six ints
Let's please not call it a playoff.... It is an invitational.
Exactly. It's SEC/ESPN-influenced bullshite decisions being sold as prime rib decisions.
This is the problem with D-I college football. It's never been about "most deserving", it's always been about the powers that be and who they "feel" is the best team(s) based on that particular season's circumstances.
And with the 4 team playoff, it feels like they change criteria based on how bad they want an SEC team in, or if Bama has less than 2 losses, they'll make up anything to get them in. They've gotten in w/o winning they're division. Would that ever happen for schools like UGA, Michigan, Washington...? I'd bet a lot of money it wouldn't.
It's all biased, money-driven, phonyness. 2023 FSU is no different than 2004 Auburn.
Idk if 12 teams solves anything. Why did we skip 6 & 8? Imo, 8 would've been most ideal. 5 (now 4) conference Champs and 4 at large. There has to be some reward for winning a conference. Otherwise, what's the point of having them?
The 4 team playoff would've been perfect next season because the conference championship games make it effectively an 8 team playoff. Just give every power conference champion a spot and rank those champions accordingly. If you weren't good enough to win your conference, you're not good enough to play the other conference champions for the national championship. It's that simple. 12 teams only expands this problem and fills it up with bad games involving 7+ teams that have no business being in the playoff, getting beaten down by the 2-3 teams that are good enough to win it.
For one, Alabama, or anybody else, has never made the CFP with two losses. Auburn was actually probobly the only team thus far to control their own destiny with two losses in 2017 but lost in the SECCG. Georgia had also gotten in in 2021 without winning the conference champion, TCU was in last year as an 12-1 noncon champion, Notre Dame made it after getting crushed in the conference championship in 2020. Ohio State got in last year without winning their division.
UGA literally got in after losing their conference championship two years ago ya dork
The committee shouldn't have made Florida St. #4 three days ago if they weren't #4. You simply have to look at a map to figure out what the committee was going to do. Three teams in the same area meant only one had to get in to get that area to watch the playoff. If you take Texas you have to take Alabama, If you take Alabama you have to take Texas, although they conveniently forgot about the past excuses about early losses vs late! The worst thing is the committee doubling down by having Georgia now play FSU in the Orange bowl. The logic that if Georgia wins, which they will be the favorite, it validates leaving FSU out of the final four. Has #5 and #6 ever had to play? Georgia is being used as a blunt object to whack FSU. On top of that OSU #7 is playing Missouri #9. Yet somehow Oregon #8, another popular contestant, who was supposed to beat Washington, is now paired with Liberty #23? A team all the way in Virginia now having to play in the Fiesta Bowl in Arizona. Talk about stacking the odds!
Interesting argument. They are also giving them a chance to prove they deserved it with a huge chip on their shoulder. If they win, the committee 100% got it wrong. Washington is getting road game in New Orleans. Washington is good enough to beat Texas vs a hostile crowd. They did it last year.
yeah except I've been a georgia fan for 20+ years and they don't get up for games like this and they aren't going to give a fuck about the orange bowl when they wanted to win 3 in a row. So that's going to backfire on them
Bowl games outside of the cfp doesn’t show anything because both teams have players sit out. Key players
The argument is slightly flawed because the committee wanted to leave Texas out but couldn’t justify it since they had the h2h over Bama. Had Georgia won, it would’ve been UGA, Michigan, Washington, FSU. But by Bama beating the #1 team in country, the committee couldn’t leave them out and by default had to put Texas in as well. That’s why FSU was #4 last week because everyone expected UGA to win.
Go beat Georgia and prove the committee wrong, oh wait this is going to be last years national championship
I am so glad the 4 team playoff is going away.
It won’t matter. We learned the system is corrupt … focused on money and ratings alone. Integrity has left the game. Arguments will just be different … pairings … etc.
Me too. Now Bama can win the CFP EVERY year 😈
Yeah undefeated conf champs won't be left out EVER again!
No, you'll bitch your #13 team didn't get in.
In the NFL, they dont replace playoff teams due to the starting QB being out for the playoffs
This isn't the same system though and I think that's the part that many people fail to realize. This is a 4 team selection process....not an every divisional winner gets into a playoff spot process.
@@BrianGlaze FSU season was for nothing, 13 and 0 will not get you in ,you need a hard luck storyline like TCU.
The whole “it’s not a legitimate playoff without the sec” idea is absurd when their champ got beat by 10 at home by Texas.
Let's see what happens this time
Hater
Without the SEC, there is no playoffs
That match won’t burn twice. Bama looks forward to playing Texas in the Natty because they do have something to forcefully prove
Nick is undefeated in payback rematches and that terrifies Texas fans.
If you as a committee are going to change the rules of the game then that needs to be told in the pre season. Just let the teams play and this isn’t an issue. The committee has always been a joke they just never needed to chose a side. It is clear college football has changed for the worse.
It sure has and consider this. On New Year's Day There is only going to be one game televised on regular TV. Both Semi final games are on New Year's Day covered by ESPN. To make matters worse, the National Championship is also going to be televised by ESPN. For them to not playing the biggest college football game on regular TV such as ABC is an absolute disgrace.
No it doesn’t becasue they get to judge what they think nothing changed one team beat the number one team. FSU skates by you can’t put them in they aren’t one of the 4 best teams they got lucky to keep the 5 spot based on record like dude they’d lose to Penn st right now
They did pick the four most capable teams. I won't complain FSU is cold and deserves respect but this year only four teams got in and they picked the right ones
The playoffs rules clearly state...injuries are part of the selection process. All the people whining for Florida St want to ignore the rules and that didn't happen. Florida St with a backup QB isn't one of the 4 best teams...they had 55 yards passing Saturday. The committee got it right
@@lamar310so you think that if fsu had said that travis would be healthy for the semi they would have made it?
I'm kinda shocked he didnt bring up the possibility that this decision to leave out FSU accelerates the destruction of the ACC.
Already destroyed. Committee has made it clear that it’s only the power 2 conferences now
After watching the reaction of the Michigan room learning they’d be playing Alabama; I have to say they were just as shocked as anyone to find out FSU wouldn’t be going. This is a warning to all college teams. It doesn’t matter what your record is, it only matters who your players are.
What the conference patch on your jersey says, more like. Had it been any other 12-1 conference champion who lost early to Texas instead, FSU would be #4 right now to give a 13-0 Georgia/Alabama the easiest semifinal possible.
Come on dude - committee did exactly what ESPN and Disney told them to do. The best teams is the narrative Kirk H. College football is doomed never to be the same.
He doesn't care. He's owned by then too. That's the problem. Florida State isn't part of the MSM cfb darlings.
No Alabama would bend Florida state over. THEY HAVE NO QB. Who would you rather play , FSU or BAMA !? Everyone would choose FSU because it's the easier game. ITS EASY.
@@blaynebittencourt5076Georgia is about to show them why FSU didn’t get in once they play. And it’s going to be crickets from all the people who are so loud about FSU should of gotten in 😂
@@blaynebittencourt5076I also believe if it was any other team with Bama’s same resume, they went out and beat Georgia. There wouldn’t be that much of a fuss about it, I think a lot of this has to do with how much people can’t stand seeing Bama in that top 4 😂🤷🏼♂️
@@blaynebittencourt5076Didn’t Alabama just have to come up with a last second miracle to barely hang on and beat a terrible auburn team? Not even a fsu fan but y’all are delusional 😂
People keep saying, “oh well they wouldn’t win against this team”. Well, who’s to say they wouldn’t, they’ve literally beat every team in front of them.
Yup Washington beat Oregon even though people gave them little chance of winning. That is why we play the games. Ultimately I think both you and bama deserved to be in, but if you must only take one, I would go with the undefeated team. An undefeated P5 team with a good OOC schedule (which FSU had) should get the benefit of the doubt. A 4 team playoff does not work. I feel terrible, I could not imagine if my team got screwed like this.
It's the same thing people said about TCU vs Michigan. There's a reason why they play
To BE the man, you gotta BEAT the man. LSU ain’t the man. Louisville damn sure ain’t the man. FSU had a solid season tho. See ya next year.
Let’s be real here man they aren’t beating anyone in the playoffs with a 3rd stringer wake up and smell the goddamn roses
@@New_Orleans_Ghost_Hunter he isn't starting anyway. It's gonna be Tate
The thing is, there's two way to rank the CFP: most deserving, and best. This year, they did a mix of both, which is just the worst way to do it. You have to stick to one process.
Michigan and Washington made it because they were most deserving. Alabama made it because they were a top 4 best team. Texas is a mixup between the two methods.
The issue? Georgia and Ohio State are possibly top 4 best teams, and FSU is a top 4 most deserving team.
You can't pick and choose which teams you want by switching your ranking method. Either it's the top 4 best teams (Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State) which no one wants to see, or the top 4 most deserving (Michigan, Washington, FSU, Texas). Some of these teams could be switched around of course because "best" is subjective.
Last year TCU was picked over Bama because they were more deserving (but obviously not better). This happened because an SEC team (Georgia) had already made the playoffs. This year, because an SEC team hadn't already made it, they decided to pick the better team (Bama) over the more deserving (FSU).
Simply, the committee changed their ranking method just so the SEC made the playoff.
True
Good points, I was thinking the same thing earlier about them mixing both deserving and best teams.
Well said. Every year before this they basically did 4 most deserving,
Michigan is easily and unequivocally one of the best and likely the best team. SP+, Sagarin, FPI, CFB nerds, and likely Pate along with any others I've yet to mention all have different power rating systems that all have Michigan #1. Vegas favored Michigan for a reason and it's because Michigan has been the best team all year long. The idea that Michigan got in based solely on "deserving" it and not being among the best teams is absurd.
Michigan 27-17
Last time i checked 13-0 is better than 12-1
I’m a bama fan but I wasn’t expecting this I was hoping for either Washington or FSU to lose and Bama to win against Georgia when we beat UGA but neither Washington or FSU lost I thought we were done for. Honestly I was not mad I thought we had a magical season it looked like we sucked at the beginning only to come back and spoil Georgias three-peat and not to mention the Iron Bowl win. I’m happy this season turned out the way it did . But now that we got into the playoffs everyone is going to try and put and asterisk on it and accuse us of wrong doing just because we were selected in what was basically a 50/50.
I agree. I think there is a large contingent of Bama (and for that matter SEC) haters out there. Bama didn't ask for it to go this way. Like you, if Bama had their way, they would have preferred an FSU loss. Oregon beating Washington may have muddied the waters too much and given the committee an opportunity to keep an SEC team out by putting both PAC12 teams in. Keep in mind, Oregon was consistently ranked above both Texas and Alabama. I think what people are also missing is that the loss Louisville took to Kentucky (SEC team who was easily handled at home by Bama), hurt FSU as much as anything. FSU's inability to dominate and take control over Louisville in that conference championship game was telling. I also think the biggest injustice done by the committee was keeping FSU ranked so high in prior weeks when they probably had an inclination that they weren't a top 4 team.
Not gonna lie....This is the 2nd time Alabama made it in where it's been very questionable, and I'd argue a 3rd time where serious discussions could be said they didn't deserve a spot. Bama bias is real. Are they the best 4th team? Probably....which is what they said is how they'd select, which is what happened. I feel for FSU. It's 2004 Auburn all over again.
@@OoogaBoog well I kind of agree but remember (I’m pretty sure we’re thinking of the season where Ohio state beat Wisconsin and bama got ahead of both of them) when Alabama got in they shut up the haters by winning it all. So let’s see what happens Michigan Alabama is going to be quality football 🏈 🐘🦡 (there is no emoji for wolverines just like how they don’t have a mascot)
@@TempleofSolomon I'm not arguing for or against.....but going on deserved....it's pretty fishy. This is coming from someone going to Alabama games since 1982, but (yes) graduated from Auburn in 95 because of the better school for my vocation. I root for both teams...to the dismay of my entire family on sides.
I agree with being "rigged" because CFP completely ignored Bama's "eye test" when they needed a miracle to beat unranked Auburn. Same team that lost to New Mexico. CFP ignored Bama's Auburn game while judging the Cards game though FSU won by 10. I am so disappointed in CF that my enthusiasm for the sport plummeted big time. CFP ranked OSU high because of "resume". Then moved others up because of "eye test". It's all a big f'ing joke.
Stop whining. That game between Alabama and Auburn is almost always close Thats why they are rivalry games. Just stop about Ohio St. They canceled the game at Washington this year because they are a bunch of cowards. They chose not to get a resume builder instead they added Youngstown St 😂😂😂😂 The Little 10 is a JV conference
At the end of the day as long as bama is a one loss team they will always make it to the playoff . Beat Georgia by 3 and been struggling most of the season when fsu has been dominating and winning out of conference games and in conference games even won two games with a back up qb and 3rd string qb . Bama will always be put above everyone else
tu also struggled to put away several teams all year.
@@Eddyboy309 55th in strength of schedule. Bama was 5th..
@@cleveland2022you forgot to mention Bama struggled against a 4-8 garbage Arkansas team. And almost lost to a high school team.
It feels wrong, it is wrong and the committee who already had low credibility just lost it all. No consistency, no credibility, straight bias. And the worst part, I'm not even sure FSU makes it if Travis isn't hurt
The committee made the right decision. Florida State is not one of the four best teams in the country.
@@19761999 that has never mattered in the past but apparently now that it’s at the cost of SEC then we need to all of a sudden go to the four best. There’s been plenty of teams that have not been the four best, but they were the most deserving. quite frankly, if they’re gonna do it why don’t they do it put Georgia in over Michigan Georgia is a better team. Michigan has the 51st strength of schedule.
@@DuckFanDane Was Cincinatti one of the four best when they let them in? No. But they deserved it and they got their chance.
Who would you rather play , FSU or BAMA !? Everyone would choose FSU because it's the easier game.
@@Win4Cheesilyevery playoff has been a blowout. If FSU made it there would've been another blowout. The committee learned their lesson.
As a Gator fan, complete BS that FSU got left out. Ohio State won the natty with a 3rd string QB. Teams are more than just their QB.
If you think Rodemaker or the third string guy could lead FSU to a national championship you are delusional my friend. Obviously we will never know but come on, give me a break. 55 yards passing against an awful Louisville team. Nuff said.
They got in after they dominated their conference championship. FSU looks terrible without Travis. They got it right
Nice take, I agree with you 100% & you made some great points!
Extremely dark day for CFB. Opinions over results should never happen.
youll get over it
If bama played a dogshit ACC team instead of #3 Texas they’d be undefeated too and still have e a substantially higher SOS than FSU. Results do matter, that’s why FSU is home. Imagine a team whose worse loss is #3 with the #3 SOS and having just beat the #1 back-2-back national champions not getting in as a “top 4 team”. Everything makes bama the obvious choice other than, “they played one much harder game than FSU did and lost it very early in the season”.
@@bettersounds1926lmao alot won't it's looking worse than the NFL between the cheating scandals and teams getting screwed
@@coolasfire111bama wouldn't have beaten a top 15 team with a backup QB they could barely beat USF with backup QBs, also your saying Travis gets the Heisman if he's such a big impact he makes FSU a championship calibre team out of a bad one?
@@rhetthayes5981 bama benched milroe the entite game versus USF
I'm not a fan of either team but this just feels very wrong. And the FSU backup QB would be ready by Jan 1. Bama jumping ahead of FSU is basically saying. ..
1. Needing a lucky giveaway and hail Mary pass to barely escape an unranked Auburn team is a quality win, not a lucky miracle win when you were favored to win by double digits
2. Losing once AT HOME in your SEC season is better than going undefeated in ACC,
3. Losing at HOME by double digits is ok, as long as it's to a one loss team who we squeezed into the final four,
4. If your starting QB gets injured, don't even bother playing the rest of your schedule, you're not getting into the CFP even if you finish undefeated 13-0..
5. Bama is the most dangerous team in the country. The CFP let a wolf loose in the hen house. If y’all wanted a new CFP champion, they shouldn’t have let a certified killer in building. Hide your kids, hide your wives. Bama is going all the way. ROLL TIDE. Number 19 here we come.
Yea but if Milroe got hurt at the end of the game we wouldn’t have gotten in
Don't know why everyone is only mad at Bama? Texas jumped FSU as well. Georgia lost when FSU needed them to win. Bama had no say in what the committee chose. All Bama did was win their games, so I don't understand the hate solely on Bama when everything around them was out of their control...
Given the choice this year, America would rather see Bama.
To your #1 point: fsu vs duke, fsu vs clemson, fsu vs boston college. Don't complain about a miracle when you needed 3 yourself this season. You are gonna need a big miracle to hope to beat georgia.
It's wild to me that no one questioned Michigan being in over everyone else, let alone the one seed. They had a joke non-conference, and Ohio State is the only team they played all season with some semblance of a competent offense
And they gained less yardage against Iowa - a statistically and analytically inferior defense to Louisville's - with their full complement of skill position players than FSU did with a 3rd string QB.
Don’t worry Michigan will get exposed for the 3rd year in a row
Did you pull those stats out of your butt? Iowa is the #4 defense in the country. Louisville is #21.
They beat penn state who was ranked 8th
@@czogg99 Right, a other big 10 team with a joke schedule who can't score.
Florida St has around the same strength of schedule as 2016 and 2018 Clemson. ACC still produced champions.
There weren’t many contenders those years
You're right about Oregon. I wouldn't even put Oregon ahead of Ohio State. Ohio State dropped from #2 to #6 in a close game to Michigan.
Going into the conference championships, the ranking should have been:
1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Washington
4. FSU
5. Texas
6. Alabama
7. Ohio State
8. Oregon
This way, Texas and Alabama would have just moved up two spots. FSU would have to make the argument that they are better than Texas and Alabama.
A big argument should be made for Ohio State over TX also... No idea why they are getting so much respect... Weak schedule, several shaky games, and a loss!
I pretty much agree with all of that and don't think Oregon should have been FIVE after losing to UW a few games earlier. Sadly if Oregon would have won the Pac 12 championship they would have probably got the nod and not even been deserving of it. All because they were sitting at 5 after LOSING when they were ranked 8 to then #7 UW.
I actually think Michigan is going to lose and that they would lose to any of the teams in the conversation.
I can't agree with leaving FSU out. If it's just an eye test, were they not looking a week earlier when Bama needed a miracle to beat a 6-win Auburn? If it's by record, FSU has a better SOR. Backups have won championships in the CFP era already, it just overwhelmingly feels like the Committee couldn't exclude the SEC and used the Jordan Travis situation as an excuse to do so. And I say this as an SEC fan
FSU needed a miracle to beat every team though lmfao
@@Fr0yoHD That just isn't true. They struggled against BC which isn't good. @Clemson was rough, but Clemson is still a very talented team and it was @Clemson. After that most of their games where over by halftime, and one of them was against my team.
They 100% percent struggled against Louisville. It was 3-0 at the half. Louisville was also a team who was smacked around by an unranked Kentucky.
But they won so what? And it was amazing
@@justusbryant7366they barely won thanks to qb play
It’s amazing the infatuation with Bama, a team that barely beat some really bad teams by one score and lost at home by two scores gets in over an undefeated FSU and a Georgia team that would beat any team in the country with a week to heal up. Think we all know who the best team is
Except for the fact that Georgia got beat by Bama in Atlanta. They were basically at home. FSU deserved it over Texas.
If Georgia was better than Alabama they would have proved it. Bama had injuries too, the starting RB was out and we still ran down their throat. Our DT were banged up and they couldn’t get anything up the middle. Our top-10 pick at corner went down and the backup locked up Bowers for the few drives he was in. Texas > Alabama > Georgia. FSU is not in that equation yet but they can be if they beat UGA.
Didn’t the ACC vote against going to a 12 team playoff this season?
Yep and it screwed them in the end.
😂😂😂😂
@@TheBenedictchan1how did it screw them??????
@@jimmyjam5453bc they would've gotten in had it got voted in
@Scooterwithaplan THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT! So sick of these non SEC schools bitching about being left out of the Playoffs every year. They play weak non conference games and weak conference games.
If Bama or UGA won their conference championship with a 3rd string QB it would be treated as a Cinderella story and celebrated. FSU gets punished
Did you watch the ACC championship? FSUs offense had to relearn what a forward pass was
Exactly!!! They would've been saying look how awesome they are, with a backup
@@bobbydyne Of course their offense struggled. They had to unexpectedly put a 3rd string QB in the game after their 2nd QB got a concussion. A third string inexperienced freshman QB that was not prepared for the game. But despite all that, they still won.
@@bobbydyne Wouldn’t be the same QB in the playoff. Tate would be cleared by then
That's only for Bama. They sneak their way in every year. Georgia, who went 29 games straight without a loss, loses by 3 and is dropped to 6. Makes no sense. FSU should have been in and so should have Georgia.
Great takes. I couldn't agree more.
great take
When Paul Finebaum went on ESPN and lauded Alabama's tough SEC schedule (which included a win over #13 LSU), but then criticized FSU's for "only beating the 5th best SEC team", I knew the Seminoles were screwed. I agree with you in that I don't think it was rigged in the traditional sense, but seeing guys like Finebaum, Herbstreit, and Orlovsky twist themselves into knots to argue for Bama over FSU shows that ESPN/Disney at least tried to put their finger on the scale. I don't know if it happened, but I'd be surprised if their largely pro-Bama commentary (with a few dissenters like RGIII) didn't have an effect. The ACC may be an ESPN-aligned conference, but it's no secret that ESPN values their SEC connection above all because it is their biggest college money maker.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that part of the reason is because they wanted to further prod FSU (and their buddies in Clemson, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, and Coral Gables) out of the ACC, but obviously I can't prove that. Regardless, I feel bad for FSU because I truly believe they were the more deserving team. Travis's tweet about wishing he had broken his leg sooner was sad as hell and unfortunately perfectly encapsulated the issues with the committee's decision-making process. Thank goodness we're going to 12 teams next year.
Could have gone to 12 this year if the ACC commissioner had voted with the SEC and Big 12 this year instead of next year...only ffitting that one of those 3 conference teams gets left out.
Just an opinion. Here is another. FSU had the 91st rated schedule. Their best win was against the third best team in a division, not conference, just division. If you give Ole Miss the schedule FSU had, undefeated. Give it to Iowa, undefeated. They would be double digit dogs right now to not only the 4 playoff teams, but also Oregon, Georgia and Ohio State. They are not only not one of the 4 best teams in the country, they are not even one of the best 8 (maybe 10, I believe they lose to Iowa, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, probably even Clemson in a rematch). Look at the line on the Orange bowl. Georgia is favored by 13.5. That's ridiculous. Vegas doesn't do conspiracies or favorites. They put money on it. People put money on it, they leave bias at home. The committee got it right, to a point. They could have put Ohio State or Georgia in and they would still have it right. There are compelling matchups all over the top 7. There are no compelling matchups with Florida St. Look at the line already.
@@legoboy3800says a fan of a team that actually lost.😂
And that team is probably still better than FSU lmao.
FSU has 3/4 of their wins from 6-7 loss teams.
They don't even *deserve* a spot.
Im not a fan of finebum but you are leaving out an important detail when comparing LSU's loss to bama vs LSU's loss to fsu... bama beat ole miss, tennessee, and beat Kentucky 49-21 after Kentucky beat Louisville. FSU only beat Louisville 16-6... yall say field results matter but proceed to ignore schedule strength, amount of dominating victories, as well as comparing how much teams beat the same teams per comparison...
LSU was just another feather in bama's cap and LSU was FSU's biggest win. Thats the difference. Bama's biggest win was GEORGIA homie
I wish that they would talk more about the real “elephant” in the room and that is you have a #1 seed that had their head coach suspended for half the season. They tried to file a lawsuit against their conference and dropped it. If Michigan wins it all, we might be looking at another USC like season and it will be an * or blank spot for the champion.
Makes the team that much more resilient. They beat 3 top 17 teams all under this controversy in the last 4 weeks. Michigan v Alabama in the Rose Bowl will be an amazing matchup.
Michigan this year is like Notre Dame of the past in that they rode cupcake schedule and will get crushed by a real team.
@@beersmoker4444 Michigan had a cupcake schedule until November. Since then, they have had perhaps the hardest schedule. They played the 4 best teams in the B1G as their last 4 games…
Ohio fan😂😂😂😂😂 waaaaaaahhhhhhh
@@brentj.peterson6070agreed, they're still butthurt lol
Hey, LSU Fan here! Put the blame where it lies!! Nicky Sabash! Him and his Pons are responsible for Alabama getting in the Playoffs. No SEC team should have been in with losts.
Bang! Josh nailed this one… Bama indeed makes this playoff valid!
Josh Pate is the most intelligent and most accurate writer/commentator on CFB via any wavelength you tune in to
He switched up on his take before the weekend so fast lol
That's called getting more information lol
@@LMN22thats not getting more information we already knew all the possible results and he gave his opinion on those scenarios and went back on it
@@PixelMstr yeah you're not allowed to change your opinion ever! Get over it anorexic boy.
Yeah, now i just feel like he's another hack fraud.
He is a hack. See that now
The committee broke the protocols. Strength of schedule, head to head, and availability of key players/ coaches are "tie breakers" for teams with a comparable record. Undefeated is not comparable to a team with a loss. This matters for the future with a 12 team playoff. They can now say a team with 1 loss isn't "better" than a 2 or 3 loss team. This is bad for college football.
No, it says the criteria (that you listed) comes into place for teams that are comparable, not teams with a comparable record. That’s a big difference. Anyone who watched FSU without Travis can easily see that is not a team that is comparable to the others.
Then Liberty should be in the top 4. According to you
Agree. CF feels like one big joke at this point.
Undefeated sounds great, until you realize it was the 55th toughest schedule. A one loss team with the 5th hardest schedule sounds a lot more convincing. Either you understand college football or you don’t.
Ask yourself, does FSU beat Georgia yesterday? Does Alabama beat Louisville yesterday?
You don’t reward a soft schedule versus one of the hardest. Committee got it right. We as fans have wanted better out of conference games, and the committee has said they wouldn’t automatically penalize a team for losing if they scheduled a hard out of conference game. We as fans wanted this for years, we are finally getting it. No way the committee would poop on it. Why else would Alabama ever agree to play Texas? Why else would Texas agree to play Michigan next year? FSU had their chance to prove they belonged last night and it was a dud.
@@imhooksclown take
I believe you can somewhat calculate the value a player brings. When Cardale Jones came in for tOSU, they still won 59-0 against the 11th ranked team during for the BT championship. FSU without Travis wasn't even close to looking normal on offense without him.
The Michigan watch party reaction video when Alabama was announced revealed volumes. No one fears FSU now and putting them in, elite D or not, would've been like playing Iowa, an easy win. Alabama is one of the four best teams because they're still one of the most feared teams in the country.
Cardale Jones is kind of the exception that proves that you can't calculate the value a player brings. He was a statistical fluke in 1st games started. Many many great future players, especially at QB have rough 1st games. You cannot accurately predict what their second game will look like. Especially in the playoffs. For a committee to make that assessment for a team (that still found a way to win) is pretty wild.
Josh you can't play both sides of the fence here committee got it wrong
It should have been: 1: Michigan, 2: Washington, 3: FSU, 4: Texas, 5: Alabama, 6: Georgia. FSU WON their championship and got punished, period.
That’s a bingo
The whole thing is a joke. The bias is beyond ridiculous. I'm all but done with how college football is run.
I won’t be watching this year. I think we all just witnessed the last of the integrity of college football today
😂
Next year it will be better…unless you are 11,12,13…
Agree. I would also add portal, NIL and coaching carousel to the further decline of the sport into WWE territory
😂😂😂😂
The true voice of reason in these troubling times 😂
I am glad that you admitted your SEC bias. I am less likely to watch this year. The committee not only put a value on the Florida state quarterback. but devalued every Florida State player and coach. There is no question that Alabama is a good team but they already lost to Texas. Florida State won all their games evem when they lost their Quarterback.
The committee gave the finger to college sports fans not associated with the SEC.
When your conference wins 13 of the last 17 years then you can talk
@@cleveland2022who's the other only conference that's had natty teams?
@@cleveland2022big 10 has ONE acc has 3 and one just didn't 10:37 't even get their shot this year
If FSU is out based on a power rating then why is FSU still ahead of Georgia & Ohio State, both would blow out FSU, seems to me like they just couldn’t bare to leave the SEC champ out
That ranking makes zero sense. Georgia will destroy FSU
Nobody would blow out this F.S.U defense.
@@cleveland2022 yep, the rankings should have been, michigan washington fsu texas then alabama ohio state. that seems like the best option. but its the ncaa alabama is there poster child like shit last year the ncaa gave nick saben a commercial to plead his case to get in the playoff. its bull shit
fsu finding a new offense would be scary. still.... nobody scoring on a pissed off fsu defense. especially after today@@Tony-bx7ed
This, 100%. Josh Pate is trash and has trash opinions.
Not a chance a 13-0 Clemson team gets left out
No 13-0 Clemson has looked like garbage but 13-0 Florida St does.
Well said
“They could have lied about Jordan Travis’ status” bruh he snapped his leg in 4K
You’re absolutely right about that last segment Josh. The proof is in the pudding. Now we get to gear up for some really really good games
Always rational takes from JP. feel like there aren't many analysts or even fans of the sport that can give an unbiased viewpoint. It sucks that the FSU defense (which is playoff-caliber) got left out, but they wouldn't have stood a chance against the other 3 teams.
I told my friends this was the last great cfb season before the dark age and I guess it came a season earlier than I thought
They should have made it an eight team playoff from the get-go. Having five power-five conferences with only four playoff spots was a recipe for disaster and it finally caught up with them.
there's 68 NCAA basketball bids and they still argue every March about rankings. disasters are only avoided when a consistent criteria is followed
@@tmc1404 Comparing collegiate aged professional basketball to collegiate aged professional football is moronic. They're completely different sports within massively different contexts.
No playoffs period. The top 10 teams should play in 5 bowl games and there shouldn't be any more bowls than that. The national champ should be named after bowl season like in the old days. If there's a pair of undefeated teams left, who had the most ranked wins. It's incredibly simple
@rockytoptom the comparison is apt when the argument is made that increasing playoff size eliminates selection issues. also its the same institutions with the same amateur athlete pool, all with TV & revenue concerns. what better comparison could be made in sports?
@@tmc1404 Valid answer. You're correct I suppose, given that this was specifically phrased within the scope of expanding the playoff to fix the problem. I retract my moronic comment. Of course, if we aren't discussing this within that one specific context, expansion fixing it, then it would be moronic. My bad. You probably don't hear that much online hahahah
The committee's decision has guaranteed that nobody is going to have a problem with the playoff expansion now.
It’s means the regular season games won’t matter as much.
It means, an expanded playoff system = more money
I'd like to see the committee submit a written summary of why every team considered for the final four were either selected or not selected. Make them show their work and set a presedent for continuity from year to year.
Why? So people like you can sit and cry just like they’re doing now. Is that somehow going to make people feel better about their decisions. If anything I think your logic would just make things worse.
@cameronlewis6870 I really don't give a shit, it was just an idea. If I had my way we'd get rid of playoffs and go back to the AP poll number 1 after the bowl games.
@@westpac6954 better to have transparency when decisions you don’t agree with come in.
There’s a reason why boxing judges have to release their cards after a fight.
We may not agree but an explanation would help
Never had a situation like this? They created this abomination of a 4 team invitational in response to this happening over and over. WTF are you talking about? The playoff is supposed to solve this problem. We are supposed to have an objective measure of how you get into a playoff, and win a championship. Every single team should have a clear path for how they do that.
The playoff must be at least 8 teams.
He made it very clear he was talking about the four team playoff era if you were listening
The 4 team playoff was specifically made bc of Auburn in 2004 getting left out as an undefeated power 5 conference champ. This 4 team playoff was designed to ensure this wouldn't happen again (but it did anyway)
Yall sit here and say "the games should matter" but then try to downplay Alabama beating Georgia, when almost everyone thought Georgia was gonna blow them out, y'all looking sad asf
They should bama lost by 10 at home but jumped a team that was undefeated and beat a common opponent better
Everybody is talking about how this year should be a 12 team playoff year. I think one way to resolve this is to ask one simple question. If this was a 12 year playoff, who would the top 4 teams be? I think you will find the correct answer to this dilemma if you answer that simple question. I know it, you know it, JP knows it. Should be FSU at 3 and Texas at 4. SEC has been dominant with their top two teams lately, but not this year.
Your argument against the Committee being rigged was "It can't be rigged cuz I agree with them!" Thats maybe the worst argument I've ever heard from you...
Enjoy the show tho, thanks for being here the whole season!
The fact that both FSU and Bama beat top 15 teams this week and Bama went up 4 while FSU drops 1 is unreal. I'm glad the CFP is getting a major revamp next season, because this corruption isn't going to fly next season. 13-0 3rd SOR Conf Champion. 12-1 5th SOR Conf Champion. Who gets in? I think its pretty obvious. Sadly, this year the Committee didn't use their guidelines and instead just used their own bias (which is just directed towards the most possible revenue.) No way one injury should knock out FSU when they are still beating SEC and top 15 teams by 10+ points while Bama is needed prayers against Auburn. Shame on the Committee
Georgia is slightly a better win than Louisville….
Not sure you can compare Louisville to Georgia lol
Alabama has a better resume and all Bamas ranked wins, are still ranked. I agree FSU got screwed but it's not SEC bias, not this time.
You’re talking like Georgia was No 14 lmao
If you have to be disingenuous in your speech, you lost the argument
Bama has a lose
Best SEC non-conference win all year was against Louisville.
FSU had the body of work, an undefeated season, 2-0 vs SEC, and won two games after JT went down. Washington played nobody out of conference. Washington, Texas, and Alabama have close wins against bad teams. How can FSU be left out if not bias…
Look on the bright side. The undefeated ACC champion can take it out on the loser of the SEC championship game in the Orange Bowl.
FSU barely beat Boston College and Clemson😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@rbowman368 i'm thinking FSU fails to complete a pass
@@rbowman368FSU is going to get DESTROYED by Georgia
Last time an undefeated FSU was in the cfp, they were destroyed 59-20 by Oregon, who then got destroyed by OSU 42-20. Woulda been more the same
Wrong on so many levels. Herbstreit said that Alabama should get in over FSU BEFORE Travis was even injured. The Committee said for two weeks that his injury had no effect on the rankings. If it did, they should have been ranked lower before now. The simple truth is that the Committee assumed an SEC team would get in, and when they didn’t, ESPN ordered them to put a hit on FSU. Five days earlier, their broadcasters said there was no basis to even entertain a one loss team jumping ahead of them. Nothing changed. This was a con job. Case closed.
The problem isn't that they put Alabama into the playoff, it's that they put in both Alabama and Texas and kicked out an undefeated conference champion. Florida State did everything it could to make the playoffs and it still isn't enough because they don't play in a strong enough conference? The ACC isn't a strong enough conference but somehow the BIG 12 is? SMH
The next wave of conference realignment is gonna be brutal for the ACC.
Do you think if Clemson was the undefeated ACC champion, would they have gotten in?
Booooo hoooooo poor FSU
The problem is that since Alabama beat Georgia to become SEC Champion, that skyrocketed Texas's win over Bama. The four teams that went in over FSU all had much better wins than FSU in their seasons. The stars aligned in a way that had to keep FSU out. Their best win is LSU, who was Alabama's 3rd or 4th best win.
I predict the ACC loses NC Clemson FSU and Miami who have all stated they wanted out already.
My issue with that is Texas beat Bama which means Bama is the 2nd best team when you compare Texas Bama and Georgia.@@optimysticquest
@@optimysticquest3rd best win, 4th best game. Also FSU was the only contender who didn’t play a single team with less than 3 losses. FSU has some really bad wins, even before the injury, with no great wins to compensate
Did you hear the collective gasp, when Michigan found out they would be playing Alabama and not FSU.
As a Michigan fan I welcome it. Hate the SEC bias and hope Michigan sticks it to Saban and the "mighty" SEC.
They gasped because FSU got the shaft
There are two ways you can interpret that.
1. The way that JP implied "Oh no we have to play Bama"
2. Oh shit FSU got screwed.
@@proftony2761no they didn’t lol. They gasped because they weren’t getting a cakewalk to the championship game 😂😂😂
@@jrcrit8843Fuck what you talking about FSU got robbed without a mask
I did not believe they would leave out an undefeated ACC champ. It seems crazy
This is the last year I'll watch your show.
As a Miami fan, you'll find few who loathe FSU as much as me (especially since they're owned us the last three years), but with that being said, I'm in the "they got screwed" camp. They went out and took care of business by winning every game, including the conference championship. That should have been enough to get them in the playoff over two one-loss teams.
no they didnt and playing the hurricanes isnt something to feel accomplished about
@@bettersounds1926 Your comment shows zero logic and a total ignorance of facts.
What happens when FSU is blasted by Georgia? What’s the excuse? It didn’t matter? Lol
It won’t matter. Fsu should have been in. A lot of players will be out anyway
Many seniors will probably opt out. Not really going to matter.
I’m a FSU fan and I’ve been watching you for years and I’m asking all FSU fans to drop this show!!!! People forget Alabama lost and FSU didn’t full stop! FSU fans deserve better than someone taking out of both sides of there mouth. FSU needs to bet Georgia to tell college football to suck it!!!
People keep talking about bama getting in over FSU, but how in the hell did Texas jump that high from only beating a team that lost to South Alabama. That Big 12 championship win is so crazy weak. FSU deserved to be ranked better than UT.
Totally agreed.. in fact I am fairly certain that the unknown in Washington is going to have a big day against UT. It will show that Texas was the team to be out.
Texas beat this year's SEC champ, who beat the defending 2-time national champ. Does that not matter? Of course it doesn't because it was week 2. Then that same argument should hold about beating a lousy LSU team in week 1. If Texas' double digit win (10 pt) against Bama in Tuscaloosa doesn't matter, then FSU's win over LSU in week 1 doesn't matter then either.
@@masterjedifunkolobstah4836 Ok take both wins out. Then they have about the same strength of schedule and Texas lost to a bad Oklahoma team with their starting QB. Texas got bailed out hard vs KSU with missed kicks. FSU deserves to be in more than Texas.
the main factor is from head-to-head competition By 10 points to Texas What the h*** are you talking about
@@koemando8355 And what do they have over FSU
I don't care if FSU loss in the playoffs. They went undefeated. Bama loss. Just like if you put a 10-2 over a one loss team. Your record matters. Also if you don't make your conference title game you shouldn't make it over a one loss conference winner.
Bama was also a hail Mary away from 2 loses
Tissues help when you can't stop crying 😂
Bama Bias at its finest is what this playoff is.
When has Alabama made the playoffs and not proved they were a top 2 team in the country?
No it's is Texas Bias!!!!... bama beat an undefeated ranked #1 team...
Yeah I’m wondering about this too. Bama beat the #1 team that makes sense. But just because Texas beat them in week 4? Texas has a loss too and does not deserve to be ranked above FSU
@@chrisuncleahmadOle Miss has never won an SEC championship and have 0 Championships so that’s a stupid comparison.
@@AceWillliams you cant prove your resume was worthy of being in the playoffs. sure they can win doesn't mean they should of been given that opportunity.
Ok. THIS guy is now my Prime example of the kind of football analyst you want to be. He presents his case in a neutral fashion and if he has any favorite team you can't tell and if he hates a certain team you also cannot tell. His presentation style is credible and he comes off as trustworthy in his analysis unlike people like Booger Mcfarland who is over the top when it comes to hatred towards Alabama and his clear preferences and David Pollack who is probably right there with Booger when it comes to his hate for Alabama which they both let dominate their so-called analysis. When Pollack told people before the SEC Championship that Georgia would "Boatrace" Bama off the field because Georgia was the better team and had the better coach I about spit out my food. First off, his ridiculous statement told me that 1.) he was a Bama hater and 2.) he was a Georgia homer and 3.) He did not do his homework before he opened his mouth because if he had he would have discovered that a Nick Saban led team is undefeated in the SEC Championship, he also would have learned that Nick Saban is 10-1 vs Kirby Smart and finally he would have learned that Bama doesn't get "Boat Raced" off the field very often on the odd occasion where they actually lose. So while Booger and Pollack cannot be taken seriously in their football analysis Josh Pate here can. He is the new standard when it comes to football analysts for me.
This is opinion > facts and it's morally wrong. This is about money over integrity and the kids at FSU are paying the price.
This has to be a world record late kick cut in length.
Here's your results on the field josh. Since Jordan Travis's injury, FSU's defense has allowed one TD in 38 drives. And the one TD was aided by a terrible roughing the passer penalty. The best defense in college football will be in the orange bowl.
And get beat by 30
To think the Bearcats got into the 4 team playoffs but FSU didn’t this year
Whole different year nd this year way better competition
@@Lsmoove21Then why did the Bearcats get in over Notre Dame? Don't care if they won earlier in the season. Really think Cincy was better than them or OSU?
@@pdxcorgidadWell yeah because that’s what happened on the field. They went to South Bend and dominated them.
@reggiej230 lol dominated. We have to look at body of work. Not even close. And what about OSU? Really think Cincy was better than the Buckeyes?
@@pdxcorgidadThey couldn’t justify Ohio State over Cincinnati that year
SEC homer please explain why Bama gets in w/ double digit loss at home and needing a last second 31 yard heave TD to beat a 6-6 Auburn who lost 31-10 at home to New Mexico State?
If wins and losses don't matter at the end, what is the purpose of keeping score?
Want to be in, win more. Don't lose. Sucks to suck.