4 Reasons why I use the CONTROL ROOM when RECORDING in CUBASE PRO
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4 Reasons why I use the CONTROL ROOM when RECORDING in CUBASE PRO
Cubase Control Room… It’s not just for mixing!
If you’re not taking advantage of the power of the Cubase Control Room, it’s time to fix that.
I absolutely love Control Room for mixing, but there are a handful of features that also make it an indispensable tool for recording as well.
Today, we’re going to look at my four favorite ways to use Cubase Control Room when recording.
Are you using Control Room in your workflow? Tell me all about it in the comments!
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:51 How to open and setup Control Room 2:06 Reason #1
Cue Mixes
3:35 Activating the Cue tab if you can’t see it
7:11 Reason #2 - Monitoring a Cue
8:43 Reason #3 - Talkback integration
10:20 Reason #4 - Send a metronome to cue mix
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Cubase and it´s Control Room = one oft best DAW workflow feature !!! luv it... can´t live without it.
to simplify working with cue mixes I usually only send the last mixgroups (drums, guit, bass, vox, keys) to the cue mix. this way automation will still be reproduced. always have aä the Monitor channels ( where i record) on cue and that's usually enough control for my artists
Cues can also programmed to feed the reference track into the Control room to have a fast and independent comparison possiblility.
you also can use the cuesends to reference with reference tracks, just lay them to audio files and activate a cuesend channel. Route your audio track containing the reference track to no bus or no output so it will just get audible when the cuesend channel gets activated inside the control room. You now can level match the reference with your mix via the volume slider of the cuesend. this gets a very powerful tool when mapped to a midi controller, hitting a cuesend on/off with the push of a button. You also could reference your mix on a sum bus, with your mastering inside a mastering bus. Another mindblowing feature in cubase (we have a lot of those :) )...
Thx for the tip..
great
i also use C2 as empty cue mix for listening to a reference track
because usually i have proccess on the master channel .
so by toggeling MIX/C2 on the control room its easy to compare
I am very glad that I stumbled upon your video
Pls explain about reference level button in control room!
YES! Control Room is awesome. Use it all the time. Love to have different cues when recording and not having to make extra routing with buses
Great video Chris! I also use Control Room to place inserts that I want to hear but don't want to print to a mix - like room correction EQ.
Control Room is a such an amazing tool. Integrating it with my midi controllers via midi remote for things like talkback, click level, turning metronome on and off has been huge for my workflow. Also having the different mixes for musicians during tracking is crazy cool. Not to mention using it for quickly toggling a reference mix during mixing or mastering. Great tips Chris
I definitely underutilise the control room feature! Great video, thanks!
In the Control Room settings, you can enable Talkback to automatically turn off when you start recording. And this is a very convenient feature. You do not need to assign a hotkey to Talkback.👍✊
You're right, you can. I'm an old school guy, I need the button Lol!
🤗👍🙏
AWESOME as usual Chris
Salut chez toi! The control room is a must in our studio. We have 4 lines of headphones (cues) and the C.R. is a must. I set it up two years ago with an external in to connect an phone or ipod for the musicians when they need to practice with music already recorded. I also setup a shortcut key for the usb microphone we use as talkback. It's used at 100%. The level control of the click is probably my favorite function. Great idea to explain and share this in a video.
This was great - thanks for sharing!
super comme toujours!
This is great ...thank you chris
great tutorial 👍
You are the best mentor, guide and a great facilitator to me.
So in the cue mix yu can add plugins…..does this mean if you monitor the cue mix are you monitoring with the effects already plugged in to control room and or is the musician yu are sending a mix to….are they hearing control room plugins clean with individual cue mix plugins or are they hearing the control room plugins?…..loved this breakdown and now understand quicklink!
I've only ever used CR in mixing. Never knew about these specific features for a tracking environment. It's really like a full featured hardware control center, but in virtual form. I figured it existed, since Cubase covers everything under the sun! 😉........more new stuff to learn!
Thank you for sharing tips
great tutorial Chris! (as usual)...I use the CR, indeed excellent tool! ...thanks for all the good work you do with all these episodes!...
Thank you Chris for another great video on our beloved DAW of choice. Q: Am I the only one that experiment too much latency while recording with the Control Room?
What should be the buffer size in order to use it without latency?
Just posted a comment on this exact issue, I love Cubase CR but can’t use it for recording because of added latency
Thanks for the always illuminating video, and yes I started using the control room from day one in Cubase(Got interested in it from your course Ia followed) since me and my comrad in music arms compose music on line, but only recently during mixing on my end, by sending rough mixes on a different cue etc. But always interested in your new tricks. So keep up the good work. We will certainly use the Cue mixes over and forth to each other.
Thanks Chris, freakin' awesome :)
the control room is really an amazing tool, i use it also for recording but also for mixing. Qhen i get a track to be mixed, i will put the original rough mix / demo into Cue 1 and i can switch back between my mix and the rough mix just with one button, that way i can easily crosscheck i dont forget an important element or my balance is totally different then what was the client envisioning originally..i use it alot!
my main reason to use control room these days is that I put on the Sonarworks, Metric AB and Supervision and just leave them. no need to remember to turn off with rendering etc. Wben I did a lot more recordings before I also had 3 different mixes for each room. All in all Control Room is a must once you get used to it imo
But you can still do all of that in CR without the need for Metric AB or a 3rd party plugins
@@onwuchekwaferdinand9756Metric AB can do a lot of stuff that control room cannot so it still makes sense for some people.
Thanks, Chris!
Thanks for the video on the Control Room. Question: What physical connections (trs cable connections) do I need to make from audio interface to my 6 channel headphone amplifier?
salut cher chris . very nice tutorial.
bless you
I couldn't agree with you more. I'd like to give you two tips...
1) The talkback button is extremely dangerous! I NEVER use a talkback button that needs to be toggled on and off. It's only a matter of time before someone makes a remark about the singers nose. Forgetting that there is a live talkback mic, and that session is ruined! I've found a good solution with my MOTU 828es audio interface. It has a footswiotch input that can be set to send to send key commands when the pedal is pressed and released. That way there is no way I can, accidentally, have a live talkback mic open.
2) You say you never use the inserts on the cue mix channels. You should. If not for your sake, then for the talents. I always put a brick wall limiter there, set a little bit above the highest level the talent should have. That way, if there is a an accident with feedback, a loud pop or any loud noise, THE TALENTS HEARING IS PROTECTED!
I agree with you on the talkback button. There is a reason every console's talkback button had to be held down to be active. I worked at a studio (once) where the talkback was always on when the tape machine was stopped. It wasn't 10 minutes before the singer was crying because someone commented on her not ever being able to hit the high notes in any song.
great tips!!
Thank you.
What are the other options for 'Downmix presets' other than Stereo and Mono...? Those seem to be the only 2 available.
Hi Chris, great video. I am setting up my cue mixes today, so this will really help. I really liked the song played in this video. Is there a link to listen to the whole song, and who is it? Thanks and happy holidays.🎉😊
Love your videos. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I bought the Solid State Logic Buss+ [ outboard gear ] but when I have it on i get echoes, i click the latency compensator and it will change to some number like .23 "
basically you don't even need an hardware monitor controller anymore.....
you can do mono/stereo-switch and alternative main outputs switch and click on/off e.g. with CR keycommands...
wow
Control room is nice but... when we are in an editor window, using this hidden preview bus (!!!), the sound do not reach its headphone output, only the monitors outputs, dommage :(
I take it as a conceptual bug.
Hi Chris, Thank you for sharing your expertise! Is the control room option also handy when only having the UR22 mkII ?
For sure, most of the time I use the CR when mixing without the use of extra outputs th-cam.com/video/u9uS1btVSgY/w-d-xo.html
@@mixdownonline Thanks, i'm going to give it a try 🙂
Je l utilise surtout pour switcher en un clic entre le mix et une piste référence.
J"adore ce truc!
I need 5 stereo inear cue mixes, can that be done in control room ?
Always use CR !!!!!!!!!!😊
Hii Chris.... I have a question... I'm using behringer 204HD and one mic for the vocal booth and I have a usb plug N play mic ( zeb klarity ) this can be used as TalkBack? I mean direct connect to pc for TalkBack and another mic from interface for recording...
I tried several times... Not working... Any solution??? ( cubase 10.5)
Chris, how do i make variaudio audition sound go to cue mix in Cubase?
Sometimes i just want to fix something fast while recording (and i'm already with my Headphones on) BUT when i want to adjust a note in Variaudio quickly i CAN"T hear the fixes when i move the notes around because i'm hearing the Cue in my Headphones, when i go to the control room section on my Cue mix and switch the input to MIX it doesn't work either :(
Any suggestions?
After a multitrack recording in cubase , I realise the pitch is the sound recorded has been pitched up comparing to the originalperformance,I didn't do that tho .
Pls what happened and how can I solve such problem.
Chris - I'm using Cubase with a UA Apollo 8 and I swear that audio doesn't sound as good through the control room. I find my lows and low mids to be less solid than when I just run the audio from Cubase out using the UA Console. To me it should sound the same but I get the feeling that there is some kind of Phase issue going on. Is this something you've also experienced or heard about - would love to take advantage of what the Control Room has to offer but can't just yet until I figure this one out. Any thoughts would be so appreciated!
In my opinion the control room is pointless inside of cubase if you have an UAD interface. The Apollo can handle all of the headphone mixes, talk back, etc with zero latency. I run an Apollo 8p and Apollo twin. I’ve never activated control room. I don’t think we are missing anything special.
I tried to use the CR, but I only get very distorted sound no matter if the output is disconnected. I use Cubase 12 pro so when I turn on the CR the output is disabled from my interface automatically, I'm very disappointed.
I have to use 2 cue mixes because the drummer in my daughters band (the only thing I record) needs the click gunshot loud but the guitar and bass player want it at more reasonable level. Question, is there a way to get the click to a fader? I often have to pull the click back during drum breaks so it doesn't bleed into every drum mic and would love to automate that.
i dont think you can automate the click levels in cubase, you would rather need to use a sampler vsti and use some samples that as your click, i do that on vocal recordings too. On quiet parts the loud click from like the chorus section would totally bleed into the microphone, but when i´m using a sampler vsti (in my case i use NI Battery) i can automate the volume all accross the song
@@ChrrZ I was hoping Chris had some super cool routing thing I didn't know about where you could route it to a fader. I have to change the click to often to have it programed. Sometimes I have to remove/change the accent or double time/half time it for whatever they are trying to play to.
You can easily record the click on a track and go from there th-cam.com/video/0DmYOEy7Q58/w-d-xo.html which will work well with what you have to do
@@mixdownonline That'll work. I'll have to render for the different clicks but that is super easy to do with this method. Like I said above they usually need to flip flop between, accent on the one, no accent and half time or double time clicks, stick them all in a group an automate the group fader. The only real issue is for their "Math Rock" songs where time signatures and tempos are changing and during tracking they decide they need 4 extra bars of the 5/8 section before it goes into the 7/4 part. UGH! kids these days
I dont use it because my interface has only 1x L & R line Outputs for the speakers and only 1x headphone Output
Even for such setup it can be still useful for Room Compensation plugin (like ARC in my case) for example.
There are lots of other reasons, apart from the cue mixes, that you should use the CR. Chris touched on one important reason. That is if you are using EQ, or room correction such as SoundID, or anything that you don't want to be included in the mix. Just put it on the CR inserts, and you will never have to worry (or risk) about forgetting to turn it off when you export your mix.
You can also, easily, set your click and listen levels.
You should never use your Output level fader to set the speaker listening lever. It the CR, you've got a separate control for that. This can also be set to a reference level, so that you can be sure to always mix at a contact level. This is very important, because your listening level has a great impact on your mix (and tonal) balance. There is a recommendation that you should mix at, about, 80 dB SPL. With the CR, you can easily set your reference level, and if you've changed you monitor level for some reason, you're only a click away from getting back to your correct reference level.
And there's more...
Beginning to see the picture? The Control Room is one of the most important tools you have in Nuendo / Cubase Pro. I've heard of people NOT using it, but I've never heard of anyone STOP using it.
Maybe i am the first person who stop using CR 😅 I was using it, but for me it was too complicated. I better stay creative as tweaking with the CR. I dont find a way to be comfortable with CR 🤷♂️
But I have latency
This is the biggest problem. Otherwise it would be great.
Me too
İ don't inglishh
To complicated for me... Sorry