Possibly the best outcome would be a Labour government with a Lib Dem opposition; perhaps then we can start having a grown up conversation about Brexit instead of continuing to pretend it doesn't exist or it isn't an issue. The problem is that for decades, apart from the right wing parties, nobody has voted for the party they feel most represents their interests, they've been voting AGAINST the party they hate the most, and that can't be healthy in a supposed democracy.
Lib Dems have no chance! I recently had a conversation with two of my Lib Dem local councillors, seventeen days out from the election they did not even know the name of the local Lib Dem candidate and had no intention of campaigning for them. The Lib Dem party came from defecting MP's and never made an impact beyond propping up a Tory government for their own personal survival. They are a wishy washy party who actually stand for nothing and have no real vision for the British people. Nationally they have sold out to the EU and have swallowed the Global Warming climate emergency poison rather than "Following the real Science" (A clue, World temperatures have been reducing for eight years now despite increasing levels of CO2 in the same period, + no correlation between the gas of all life and global warming). The Lib Dems are an ok alternative to Labour in the area I live but on the national stage, NO THANKS!
@@petermartin2346 Oh great, a Europe hating Climate Change denier who doesn't understand the periodic fluctuation of global temperature averages over extended periods. I'll be sure to take YOU seriously and quote you in future conversations just to get a laugh from the cheap seats.
@petermartin2346 world temperatures have been rising by an average of 0.06 degrees Celsius per decade since 1850. Since the 1980s this rate has increased threefold. How does this mean temperatures are falling? Can you show evidence to support your spurious claim?
Well, it won't be Reform. Most people here remember too well what fascists can do. I'm seriously hoping for a LibDem Opposition, and the Tories off in the political wilderness.
@@kanedNunable I'm not so sure: I was born in '50, so I fit your demographic (my stepfather's entire family were wiped out in the Holocaust). Personally, I think the neo-fascists are drawn from a younger cadre.
As a Lib Dem member so do I! Vote tactically in your area against the tories (unless you live in a seat where the tories can’t win) to reduce them to little more than dust and get Ed Davey as our LOTO. I am so excited for 5th July regardless, think of how unimaginable this scenario was just 3 years ago.
@mr.thegreat557 Fascism is a system of government based on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, militarism, and prejudice. Often a one-party state, with opposing voices banned or imprisoned, and led by a dictatorial, populist leader. A fascist is one who supports, approves of, colludes with, or practices fascism. Isn't that what you mean by the word?
Logically, maybe Lib Dems, or Conservative. Many people out there, who don't voice opinions, always voted for, better the devil you know, is a thing, undecided still, and even if invited, rarely accept a chance to add their tick to a poll. Referendum, in or out? In was suppose to win by 4-million, bit of a shock when the poll was wrong. Many people were at that rally yesterday in London, over 60k, none would ever vote reform, that is just a fraction of the ones who didn't go. Nation of animal lovers, those lovers will not want fox hunting back, just won't
It wouldn’t work- not unless they merged into a single parliamentary party (though this wouldn’t require them to join up their wider parties, look at Labour and the Coop party) - because the official opposition is simply the largest group of MPs that isn’t in government, there isn’t really any sort of coalition system that can be done for it. Also the SNP and Lib Dems are not only rivals for certain seats in Scotland but also disagree heavily on Scottish independence with SNP being pro independence and Lib Dems very passionately federalist.
I don't think Lib Dems would do a deal with anyone. They got their fingers burnt when Nick Clegg cosied up with David Cameron. People are only just starting to forgive them for that.
I truly believe this is the end of the conservatives at least as we knew them conservative will be gobbled up by reform and while labour will get a majority this time I believe we will see in the next election a even split between labour lib dems and reform
I am just wondering whether Farage comments about Ukraine will work against him? Its an opportunity for the Tories to promote the connection between Farage and Putin which could halt some movement towards Reform? Will we be asking that question on 5th July if he doesn't get elected?
I don't think Labour's majority will be as big as the polling suggests, and I think the Tories will get about 200 seats. There are too many undecided voters and closet Tories for my liking. Hope I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.
If Snp have a strong day they could rival the lib dems. However, chances are not likely i don’t think because they have had issues recently and Alba will steal the more right wing snp votes away, i think.
The greens should be getting more, given the climate crisis! FPTP stops that from happening really, that and the fact that they make more noise in the media about social and economic issues first. I like there ideas and if I’m honest, probably would vote for them if they could win in my area. However, the climate crisis is so important, they should just have policies about climate change and try to build a broad political consensus that encompasses right and left
I think you may underestimate how many people think that climate change is a hoax. And nihilistic older voters who’d gladly put the lead back in petrol. There is no consensus.
I think the moderate Tories should join the Lib Dems and beef that party up. And the raving right wing should join Reform and beef that up. So we actually have distinct parties. I also think the left of Labour should form it's own party too.
At the moment the most suitable place for normal tories would be Starmers labour party and the most likely opposition would be from the remnants of actual labour that Starmer hasn't yet removed.
The non Labour mps will be a more effective opposition when they agree on policy. In fact, more generally, if people unite, they are stronger than when they are divided. This applies to groups of people, as well as countries. The modern problem, is individuals and groups of people, as well as countries drifting apart, when they don't strongly disagree with each other. This means that everyone is more easily exploited. Personally, I hope that the next UK Government will work together with the opposition in the best interests of all our citizens, including those who voted for different parties.
Any party who worked for the citizens of this country would be a huge improvement. Imo, I don't think the Tories, Labour or Reform will make much difference and the way forward may be the smaller parties and independants working together, then maybe views other than right wing and populist will be represented.
It would be interesting if say the Tories are the official opposition party, but then a few dozen of them join Reform, making the Lib Dems the second biggest party.
@@ThatGuyThanus Suppose it depends who they get as leader. My theory was just that without the prestige of being part of the governing party, maybe they'd feel a bit freer to move to one more closely aligned with their priorities.
I'm scared of Farrage winning a seat. If he is the only Reform MP, or one of very few, he'll jump ship to The Tories and pull them further to the right. Like Hell they won't take him. They'll be desperate for anyone with such a large following.
It would split the Tory party grassroots. Farage can't just "takeover" a political party the way he took leadership of Reform UK Ltd - the grassroots would revolt - most of them are not UKIP or Reform by choice. Whether the majority of Tory councillors and activists would back Farage is unlikely. Would Labour accept George Galloway as its leader without a fight and a membership vote?
I don't think the Tories will get decimated. The votung system works in their favour. They could get around 200 seats with only 25% of the vote. Reform will get more votes than the Lib Dems but fewer seats than them.
@@lonederanger2603 :D Johnson had associations with the Russians as well. But in both cases, they basically are the establishment, even if they're "a bit of a larf".
We're voting REFORM of course. Totally fed up with Con/Lab lies and their alignment with wef and USA. I understand Labour may want to means test our pensions if we have savings, work and other income
No more than he holds Putin to account for the Salisbury Novichok killings, the murder of Litvenenko in London, and the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane, killing nearly 300 civilians.
I would vote for them all except Tory's or Reform
Possibly the best outcome would be a Labour government with a Lib Dem opposition; perhaps then we can start having a grown up conversation about Brexit instead of continuing to pretend it doesn't exist or it isn't an issue. The problem is that for decades, apart from the right wing parties, nobody has voted for the party they feel most represents their interests, they've been voting AGAINST the party they hate the most, and that can't be healthy in a supposed democracy.
And PR
Yeah that would be amazing! Do vote tactically to reduce the Tories to as few seats as possible.
Lib Dems have no chance! I recently had a conversation with two of my Lib Dem local councillors, seventeen days out from the election they did not even know the name of the local Lib Dem candidate and had no intention of campaigning for them. The Lib Dem party came from defecting MP's and never made an impact beyond propping up a Tory government for their own personal survival. They are a wishy washy party who actually stand for nothing and have no real vision for the British people.
Nationally they have sold out to the EU and have swallowed the Global Warming climate emergency poison rather than "Following the real Science" (A clue, World temperatures have been reducing for eight years now despite increasing levels of CO2 in the same period, + no correlation between the gas of all life and global warming). The Lib Dems are an ok alternative to Labour in the area I live but on the national stage, NO THANKS!
@@petermartin2346 Oh great, a Europe hating Climate Change denier who doesn't understand the periodic fluctuation of global temperature averages over extended periods. I'll be sure to take YOU seriously and quote you in future conversations just to get a laugh from the cheap seats.
@petermartin2346 world temperatures have been rising by an average of 0.06 degrees Celsius per decade since 1850. Since the 1980s this rate has increased threefold. How does this mean temperatures are falling? Can you show evidence to support your spurious claim?
Lib dems should take 2nd
Should yes, but probably won't.
Well, it won't be Reform. Most people here remember too well what fascists can do. I'm seriously hoping for a LibDem Opposition, and the Tories off in the political wilderness.
ironically its the sons and daughters of those who fought the nazis who most want fascism back.
@@kanedNunable I'm not so sure: I was born in '50, so I fit your demographic (my stepfather's entire family were wiped out in the Holocaust). Personally, I think the neo-fascists are drawn from a younger cadre.
As a Lib Dem member so do I! Vote tactically in your area against the tories (unless you live in a seat where the tories can’t win) to reduce them to little more than dust and get Ed Davey as our LOTO. I am so excited for 5th July regardless, think of how unimaginable this scenario was just 3 years ago.
Can you explain what a fascist is without using the Internet because your comment doesn’t make any sense? 👍🏻
@mr.thegreat557 Fascism is a system of government based on authoritarianism, ultranationalism, militarism, and prejudice. Often a one-party state, with opposing voices banned or imprisoned, and led by a dictatorial, populist leader. A fascist is one who supports, approves of, colludes with, or practices fascism. Isn't that what you mean by the word?
I was just fascinated watching roads and pavements with no potholes 😮. I didn't know they still existed.
I’d love the greens to get enough seats, but I guess Lib Dem 🤞
Probably be lib dems . I hope tories drop way down to 4th place
The Lib Dems leaving both the tories and reform out of opposition.
Logically, maybe Lib Dems, or Conservative. Many people out there, who don't voice opinions, always voted for, better the devil you know, is a thing, undecided still, and even if invited, rarely accept a chance to add their tick to a poll. Referendum, in or out? In was suppose to win by 4-million, bit of a shock when the poll was wrong. Many people were at that rally yesterday in London, over 60k, none would ever vote reform, that is just a fraction of the ones who didn't go. Nation of animal lovers, those lovers will not want fox hunting back, just won't
Anyone other than Farage.
Hopefully Libdems. Will give a more interesting opposition particulary if it can drag the Overton window a bit more leftwards.
How about a coalition of Lib Dem’s, SNP and Greens, to keep the Cons out of opposition?
Dream outcome, although I might put Greens above the SNP, but that's just details.
It wouldn’t work- not unless they merged into a single parliamentary party (though this wouldn’t require them to join up their wider parties, look at Labour and the Coop party) - because the official opposition is simply the largest group of MPs that isn’t in government, there isn’t really any sort of coalition system that can be done for it. Also the SNP and Lib Dems are not only rivals for certain seats in Scotland but also disagree heavily on Scottish independence with SNP being pro independence and Lib Dems very passionately federalist.
I don't think Lib Dems would do a deal with anyone. They got their fingers burnt when Nick Clegg cosied up with David Cameron. People are only just starting to forgive them for that.
I truly believe this is the end of the conservatives at least as we knew them conservative will be gobbled up by reform and while labour will get a majority this time I believe we will see in the next election a even split between labour lib dems and reform
I am just wondering whether Farage comments about Ukraine will work against him? Its an opportunity for the Tories to promote the connection between Farage and Putin which could halt some movement towards Reform? Will we be asking that question on 5th July if he doesn't get elected?
😂😂boris johnson stated the exact same thing a few years ago..
I wasn’t going to watch the results coverage as Labour will win easily, but now there are so many interesting contests and overall scores!
I don't think Labour's majority will be as big as the polling suggests, and I think the Tories will get about 200 seats. There are too many undecided voters and closet Tories for my liking. Hope I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.
With the SNP as the dark horse….?
If Snp have a strong day they could rival the lib dems. However, chances are not likely i don’t think because they have had issues recently and Alba will steal the more right wing snp votes away, i think.
Hopefully
Not possible - they can’t win enough seats for that ever realistically to happen:
I love the end clips of your travails of having to share roads with absolute cretins!😂😂 Keep 'em coming VM!
The greens should be getting more, given the climate crisis! FPTP stops that from happening really, that and the fact that they make more noise in the media about social and economic issues first. I like there ideas and if I’m honest, probably would vote for them if they could win in my area. However, the climate crisis is so important, they should just have policies about climate change and try to build a broad political consensus that encompasses right and left
Watermelons…
There's a lot of oil money in right wing politics, so ecosocialism is a natural pairing against this
I think you may underestimate how many people think that climate change is a hoax. And nihilistic older voters who’d gladly put the lead back in petrol. There is no consensus.
Binface for a progressive universe party
BINFACE! FOR A SAFER AND MORE PROSPEROUS UNITED KINGDOM OF THE GALAXY! Can't wait to see how many votes he gets in Richmond & Northallerton😂
Tories will be the opposition , even if reform get more popular vote .
The policy or directions for them to agree brixit failure not one liners, social services local government NHS, privatisation, retirement age?
100 percent the tories
Hoping it’s the Dalek Empire personally.
It will be the Tories (unless Labour lose).
I think the moderate Tories should join the Lib Dems and beef that party up. And the raving right wing should join Reform and beef that up. So we actually have distinct parties. I also think the left of Labour should form it's own party too.
At the moment the most suitable place for normal tories would be Starmers labour party and the most likely opposition would be from the remnants of actual labour that Starmer hasn't yet removed.
The non Labour mps will be a more effective opposition when they agree on policy. In fact, more generally, if people unite, they are stronger than when they are divided. This applies to groups of people, as well as countries. The modern problem, is individuals and groups of people, as well as countries drifting apart, when they don't strongly disagree with each other. This means that everyone is more easily exploited. Personally, I hope that the next UK Government will work together with the opposition in the best interests of all our citizens, including those who voted for different parties.
Any party who worked for the citizens of this country would be a huge improvement. Imo, I don't think the Tories, Labour or Reform will make much difference and the way forward may be the smaller parties and independants working together, then maybe views other than right wing and populist will be represented.
Thisssssss
It would be interesting if say the Tories are the official opposition party, but then a few dozen of them join Reform, making the Lib Dems the second biggest party.
I can’t see them leaving if they’re the 2nd biggest party..
@@ThatGuyThanus Suppose it depends who they get as leader. My theory was just that without the prestige of being part of the governing party, maybe they'd feel a bit freer to move to one more closely aligned with their priorities.
I'm scared of Farrage winning a seat. If he is the only Reform MP, or one of very few, he'll jump ship to The Tories and pull them further to the right. Like Hell they won't take him. They'll be desperate for anyone with such a large following.
He has hinted as such on occasions so it wouldn't surprise me.
It would split the Tory party grassroots. Farage can't just "takeover" a political party the way he took leadership of Reform UK Ltd - the grassroots would revolt - most of them are not UKIP or Reform by choice. Whether the majority of Tory councillors and activists would back Farage is unlikely. Would Labour accept George Galloway as its leader without a fight and a membership vote?
Hopefully not torys or reform torys need to be banished to the history books along with reform
I don't think the Tories will get decimated. The votung system works in their favour. They could get around 200 seats with only 25% of the vote. Reform will get more votes than the Lib Dems but fewer seats than them.
Tories but Reform will get the most votes after Labour, lets ne realistic and honest here
Probably, the ewoks will be in opposition.
As if SNP and Greens dont exist
Reformers need to take note. It is five year project. Taking on the eatablished political parties is going to require sustained effort.
Reform are the establishment.
reform are just failed tories.
@@weswheel4834 in Farage's case, the Russian establishment 😂
@@lonederanger2603 :D Johnson had associations with the Russians as well. But in both cases, they basically are the establishment, even if they're "a bit of a larf".
We're voting REFORM of course. Totally fed up with Con/Lab lies and their alignment with wef and USA.
I understand Labour may want to means test our pensions if we have savings, work and other income
That already happens if you claim pension credit.
Anyone but labour or tories
I just wish EVERYONE would boycott Lib Lab Con altogether.
Let them know we’re sick of their lies and empty promises.
You mean vote Green
All of them are rubbish
Can't be Tory
Can't be Labour
Definitely can't be Lib dems.
My vote is going elsewhere.
Green 😁
Reform UK Nigel FARAGE will hold labour to account
lol. he only cares about how much he can make from grifting morons. grow up
@@kanedNunableand you think Labour want to make our country a better place to live? 😂
No more than he holds Putin to account for the Salisbury Novichok killings, the murder of Litvenenko in London, and the downing of the Malaysian Airlines plane, killing nearly 300 civilians.
Do you think Farage is in it for anything but his own gain? If things hadn't gone pear shaped for him in the US he wouldn't even be here.
Reform I hope