@@Farout397 growl...Yes, but not by much since it's still EPA compliant. After the intake horn was installed, you can hear it during low rpm when pulling off and on colder days up to about 3k rpms. As for throttle response, pedal monster cured most of the dead feel before I installed the intake box.
Great vid by the CP team! Love vids like this with structured data and pros/cons for each application, without bias. Every driver is different and their wants/application/usage is different than the next. Great to see raw data with pros and cons for each item. Well done Nick and CP Team! Setting the bar high on the informative vids. This would even make Gale Banks proud (lol). Hope to see more vids like this for other common upgrades! 👌💪
Would love to see the Banks intake tested. They have numbers, but it's on a bone stock truck. So wonder how it would do with the turbo, tune combo you used in your test. But the general idea I'm getting from this test is unless you throw a tune on the truck, an intake is not worth it. Seems like the truck does not know what to do with the extra air flow on the stock tune.
Tuning is always going to be your best bang-for-the-buck. An intake without tuning may still provide some benefits but likely not enough to have a noticeable impact.
I can live with emissions compliant but not with coked up intake passages. What I want to know is why can’t the egr system draw from post DPF system? The extra length in pipe would also cool the EGR a bit before being recirculated.
Hey Nick, love all your videos! I'd be very curious to see what this same test would do with a Banks intake on it because of Gale stating that he's the only one with a true larger intake tube all the way through versus the others having a larger intake tube that bottle necks down to factory size.
@Midlifeglamping We requested an intake from Banks to put in this test but it was still in R&D when we requested it and did these tests. There may be another intake shootout coming in the future which should have a banks intake in the group so keep an eye out for that.
That stealth 64 is a great upgrade. I wonder if the results would be the same with a stock turbo? Im guessing a little less air required. Great video Nick!
I don’t care so much, as I have the S&B but I would imagine the metal fab intake woul have some heat soak loss, even throw all testing shows menial hp and tq gains I fell long haul would lose those numbers
I always throw a cold air intake on all my diesels and I usually buy s&b there are minor changes in power but mostly sound. In my Cummins I tried a banks and noticed a pretty big difference over the others
Best air box video I've seen! Thanks Nick! I have the s&b on my 21 Ram 3500 HO with your tuning. Love it. One question, did you leave the side panel off or on for the tests?
I listen to the podcast and watch almost all the videos I know which one u kept 😎I wonder how the banks compare to these? I ask because I have your tuning Duramax tuning love it but I started with all the banks stuff and kept the banks intake ty
Speaking on the sealed or no sealed part of the video. Two weeks ago a relative drove my duramax through a wash and the intake I have did nothing to block the water and somehow dirty water got in my filter and took out my turbo. I have an HSP intake on my LML and yeah but now I gotta buy another 68mm turbo 💀 and I know they make those water proof filter cover things but I just never got one. Also the HSP intakes are completely open underneath them, you can see all the way to the ground if you look from the top down.
That sucks about loosing a turbo. Hope it comes back together quickly for you. If you decide to switch things up, our Stealth 67G2 turbo may a good option for you. duramaxtuner.com/turbo-chargers/stealth-series.html
I’m in the same boat as one of other commenters. I have a banks intake on my 21’ Ram with your Tuning. I’d be interested to see what the gains really look like. PS- Your Customer Service is second to none.
I wouldn't expect a noticeable MPG gain from an FPR switch. Same as the race plug. At best, both of those upgrades would be helpful in a total peak power scenario.
@@Duramaxtuner If you were closer to where I live, I would let you do the tests with my deleted 2019 L5P. I did the WC piping and programming, but now curious with the Banks Air box I am using over the other ones. Ultimate goal is to acquire a 64mm turbo for mine and then it will be complete.
I ran the s&b for a few months until I got my WCF stage 2 kit. I just put the intake on today so I will make my decision after a few months running the WCF
I know your a Duramax guy, but any chance you could do this test on a 5th gen cummins? Been wanting to get an air intake for my 21 ram, just not sure if it's worth the money. Thanks. Real shame you guys can only do emission intacted tunning.
Well wouldn’t the computer have to adjust with the new intake on? I was told the computer has to relearn and adjust itself after driving it for a couple miles with the new intake to see hp/tq gains. I’m not sure tho but that’s what I was told about them.
@manuelestrada4705 There is no re-learn process for mass air flow calibration. It is always pre-determined in the tune. Being that we used a 50-state tune in all the tests, the intakes were all tested using the same mass air flow calibration to provide fair results.
Good question. I’m sure the metal would transfer more under hood heat. But remember there’s a lot of air coming through that intake so I suspect the net effect to be minimal. I do not have data to confirm that suspicion :-)
Question, may be a dumb one but still will ask. Would either of these setups make more power with the top half removed? Like the clear cover on the S&B. Any concerns or potential issues?
I tired this and I definitely felt and heard a difference. I did the turbo whistle and really heard no difference. Took of the clear cover and side seal and really made a difference. I wanted to ask this question as well. So the only risk is getting water and or debris into it? In south Texas, not much water to worry about. The filter is on their tight to keep debris out. Missing the sound because I put it all back on, so would love some advice on the risks.
Question is how do these perform under on road circumstances. Say 90° ambient temps pulling 20k. Do they pull hot air in and cause power changes or do they keep cool air coming in and still add power found on the dyno?
@shanewhitmer3840 Any changes in ambient air temperature will have an effect on the outcome. However, pulling in ambient air will always be cooler than under hood temperatures once the vehicle is up to temp. That being said, all of the data that we present in this video should be an accurate reflection of the difference in performance that you can expect out of these intakes. The load you are pulling will only have an effect on the air the engine is demanding so you will most likely see your greatest gains in performance under a heavy load.
@chrismcalister9148 The E.O. Tune that Nick talks about in this video is still waiting to pass CARB testing. He simply refers to it in this video because the version of the tune used in this video is the version that we submitted to CARB.
@tylerhogsten When we did these tests the Banks intake was still under production. We haven't reached out to Banks for another one since but this may be something we re-visit.
Nick why was vane position higher on the aftermarket intakes? Does the ecm see higher mass flow and adds more fuel so it closes vanes more for greater boost to match? I am just wondering if more boost is because of the vane position or another reason
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Wish a Banks was included in the test!
They had nothing available for this year. We tried!
@@Duramaxtuner Will you test the Banks once available?
Can’t believe Gale didn’t oblige!!! Come on Gale!!!! Lol
@@Duramaxtuner they’re available. Just installed one one my dads 20.
@Duramaxtuner I smell some Bullsh!t on your end. Looks like they are stocked for 2020.
Love it that it was as unbiased as possible. I went with S&B because like you mentioned, it looks stock to someone quickly glancing at it.
How do you like the s&b, better throttle response? More growl under acceleration?
@@Farout397 growl...Yes, but not by much since it's still EPA compliant. After the intake horn was installed, you can hear it during low rpm when pulling off and on colder days up to about 3k rpms. As for throttle response, pedal monster cured most of the dead feel before I installed the intake box.
Great vid by the CP team! Love vids like this with structured data and pros/cons for each application, without bias. Every driver is different and their wants/application/usage is different than the next. Great to see raw data with pros and cons for each item.
Well done Nick and CP Team! Setting the bar high on the informative vids. This would even make Gale Banks proud (lol). Hope to see more vids like this for other common upgrades! 👌💪
id love to see a test on the intercooler pipes afe, banks, wcfab
Would love to see the Banks intake tested. They have numbers, but it's on a bone stock truck. So wonder how it would do with the turbo, tune combo you used in your test. But the general idea I'm getting from this test is unless you throw a tune on the truck, an intake is not worth it. Seems like the truck does not know what to do with the extra air flow on the stock tune.
Tuning is always going to be your best bang-for-the-buck. An intake without tuning may still provide some benefits but likely not enough to have a noticeable impact.
I can live with emissions compliant but not with coked up intake passages. What I want to know is why can’t the egr system draw from post DPF system? The extra length in pipe would also cool the EGR a bit before being recirculated.
Great point! We're starting to see this type of setup in other diesel applications, hopefully we will get in a truck sooner than later.
Hey Nick, love all your videos! I'd be very curious to see what this same test would do with a Banks intake on it because of Gale stating that he's the only one with a true larger intake tube all the way through versus the others having a larger intake tube that bottle necks down to factory size.
@Midlifeglamping We requested an intake from Banks to put in this test but it was still in R&D when we requested it and did these tests. There may be another intake shootout coming in the future which should have a banks intake in the group so keep an eye out for that.
Love the methodical way you covered this 👍
Thank you Mr. Skiff!
Would love to see this test again with the new Banks L5P intake!
Banks all the way no question
No longer have Duramax but now in a Powerstroke. Always nice your straight up honest and open book. Wish you would do a 11-16 PS intake review
The newer Powerstrokes are really nice. Maybe we can take a look at Powerstroke Intake comparison in the future.
Loved the vid! Always informative! Any chance we could see something like for the 19-21 Cummins SO? Looking to tune it soon.
I always like how you explain it in detail so my dumb ass can understand lol. You keep it unbiased and honest. Great videos as always 🤜🤛.
Thanks Roy. Not everybody has the hundreds of hours to devote to becoming an expert on these topics. We do our best to bring you up to speed quickly
That stealth 64 is a great upgrade. I wonder if the results would be the same with a stock turbo? Im guessing a little less air required. Great video Nick!
Thanks! Yes, we would expect the same % gains but a little lower peak number.
I wonder if there would be a heat soak difference between the s&b and wc fab as in if you got stuck in traffic on a hot day.
I don’t care so much, as I have the S&B but I would imagine the metal fab intake woul have some heat soak loss, even throw all testing shows menial hp and tq gains I fell long haul would lose those numbers
I always throw a cold air intake on all my diesels and I usually buy s&b there are minor changes in power but mostly sound. In my Cummins I tried a banks and noticed a pretty big difference over the others
It’s nice to see the tow tune on the S&B #s that is amazing for S&B peak torque on the torque tune
Best air box video I've seen! Thanks Nick! I have the s&b on my 21 Ram 3500 HO with your tuning. Love it. One question, did you leave the side panel off or on for the tests?
Panel was removed for the tests.
I listen to the podcast and watch almost all the videos I know which one u kept 😎I wonder how the banks compare to these? I ask because I have your tuning Duramax tuning love it but I started with all the banks stuff and kept the banks intake ty
We wanted to include the Banks, but at the time for this truck, they had nothing available.
Banks just came out with a Big ass intake for 20-22 L5p would’ve been nice to see that one
We reached out to them at the time of testing but it wasn't available then.
@@Duramaxtuner so the tunes you provide can they be seen by the dealer?
You should do a video like this for Ford and Ram…do one on intake horns for Ram too…
Agreed!
Clean or replace the MAP sensor should get the same results minus the sound
I have a banks. I was really hoping to hear some results on that one.
At the time of testing, they did not have a model available for the 2020+ yet.
Thanks, Nick. I have a Cummins and not a Duramax, but still found it interesting. :)
I would like to see the comparisons of how a LB7 air box would do. See the OEM improvements over the years.
Speaking on the sealed or no sealed part of the video. Two weeks ago a relative drove my duramax through a wash and the intake I have did nothing to block the water and somehow dirty water got in my filter and took out my turbo. I have an HSP intake on my LML and yeah but now I gotta buy another 68mm turbo 💀 and I know they make those water proof filter cover things but I just never got one. Also the HSP intakes are completely open underneath them, you can see all the way to the ground if you look from the top down.
That sucks about loosing a turbo. Hope it comes back together quickly for you. If you decide to switch things up, our Stealth 67G2 turbo may a good option for you. duramaxtuner.com/turbo-chargers/stealth-series.html
I think it’s time to give you a call.
Good info thanks for the video. Wish there was a Banks in there.
You and me both!
Great Info, too bad no Banks CAI
Banks was contacted but they were not available at the time of testing.
Would Like to see this with the 3.0 lm2/lZ0 tuning and intakes as well
Noted!
I’m in the same boat as one of other commenters. I have a banks intake on my 21’ Ram with your Tuning. I’d be interested to see what the gains really look like.
PS- Your Customer Service is second to none.
Great video, I would like to see mpg difference on a lb7 with stock fpr and race plug vs lbz fpr with race plug. Hp gains, etc
I wouldn't expect a noticeable MPG gain from an FPR switch. Same as the race plug. At best, both of those upgrades would be helpful in a total peak power scenario.
Anyway you can do a part two with the banks and maybe other brand intake?
We will try and look into that. At the time, Banks had nothing available. Thanks for the idea!
Have you tried the Banks air intake and what numbers does it produce?
I was hoping the Banks air intake was included in this video. When it comes to 50 state legal I think banks is one of the top contenders
It was not available at the time of testing.
@@Duramaxtuner If you were closer to where I live, I would let you do the tests with my deleted 2019 L5P. I did the WC piping and programming, but now curious with the Banks Air box I am using over the other ones. Ultimate goal is to acquire a 64mm turbo for mine and then it will be complete.
Im curious at what elevation your testing?
@JoseRamirez-dg7vy We are exactly 945' above sea level.
I ran the s&b for a few months until I got my WCF stage 2 kit. I just put the intake on today so I will make my decision after a few months running the WCF
Let us know what you think!
Last video shows the metal silver one. THX. WCFAB?
Yes sir. Big fans of WC FAB!
Awesome video. How can I get the tunes your running.
I know your a Duramax guy, but any chance you could do this test on a 5th gen cummins?
Been wanting to get an air intake for my 21 ram, just not sure if it's worth the money. Thanks. Real shame you guys can only do emission intacted tunning.
We have been getting inquiries. Hopefully, in the future we can do this.
Yes, why wasn't banks on it?
Any body else see the steel studs in the back ground expansion going on there In the back ground
Does this play out the same way with the 17-19 L5P? Thx. Always enjoy your vids.
It would.
Nick, will you be trying different airintakes on the Cummins with data?
That all depends on the popularity of this video :-)
On stock did you use stock air filter or a high flow style like K&N?
Thanks for doing this video! Did you guys see any changes in peak EGT’s on the aftermarket intakes over stock?
Thanks! Not enough of a change in EGTs to really mention anything about it.
Well wouldn’t the computer have to adjust with the new intake on? I was told the computer has to relearn and adjust itself after driving it for a couple miles with the new intake to see hp/tq gains. I’m not sure tho but that’s what I was told about them.
@manuelestrada4705 There is no re-learn process for mass air flow calibration. It is always pre-determined in the tune. Being that we used a 50-state tune in all the tests, the intakes were all tested using the same mass air flow calibration to provide fair results.
Great content and information thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
"All they want to do is piss more fuel in the cylinder"- Gale Banks. lol
Any difference in IAT for plastic vs metal intake? Is that a concern?
Good question. I’m sure the metal would transfer more under hood heat. But remember there’s a lot of air coming through that intake so I suspect the net effect to be minimal. I do not have data to confirm that suspicion :-)
Hey I have forces and a S&B lol
You are an anomaly, congrats :)
Awesome video man 👊
Thanks! @MrAby007
To run the stealth 64 does the truck require a tune?
Question, may be a dumb one but still will ask. Would either of these setups make more power with the top half removed? Like the clear cover on the S&B. Any concerns or potential issues?
LIkely you would not see much change there. The risk is water and debris making it into and through your filter.
I tired this and I definitely felt and heard a difference. I did the turbo whistle and really heard no difference. Took of the clear cover and side seal and really made a difference. I wanted to ask this question as well.
So the only risk is getting water and or debris into it? In south Texas, not much water to worry about. The filter is on their tight to keep debris out. Missing the sound because I put it all back on, so would love some advice on the risks.
Question is how do these perform under on road circumstances. Say 90° ambient temps pulling 20k. Do they pull hot air in and cause power changes or do they keep cool air coming in and still add power found on the dyno?
@shanewhitmer3840 Any changes in ambient air temperature will have an effect on the outcome. However, pulling in ambient air will always be cooler than under hood temperatures once the vehicle is up to temp. That being said, all of the data that we present in this video should be an accurate reflection of the difference in performance that you can expect out of these intakes. The load you are pulling will only have an effect on the air the engine is demanding so you will most likely see your greatest gains in performance under a heavy load.
You say these stealth tuner are , carb compliant but you won't ship to California.
What's up with that??
@chrismcalister9148 The E.O. Tune that Nick talks about in this video is still waiting to pass CARB testing. He simply refers to it in this video because the version of the tune used in this video is the version that we submitted to CARB.
Interested in obtaining just a tow tune. Best economical recommendation to achieve a tow tune on the L5P?
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Did we ever get an update using banks filter?
@tylerhogsten When we did these tests the Banks intake was still under production. We haven't reached out to Banks for another one since but this may be something we re-visit.
How were the torque gains? That’s something I’d really like to see
Check out 9.29 in the video. th-cam.com/video/q9IsLdS8ZL0/w-d-xo.html
Nick why was vane position higher on the aftermarket intakes? Does the ecm see higher mass flow and adds more fuel so it closes vanes more for greater boost to match? I am just wondering if more boost is because of the vane position or another reason
Deleted L5P testing the stealth at 2:25👌
They’re called cold air intakes, why where IAT’s not part of the test results?
I wish we could see the banks in this video
Us too. We reached out to them about the shootout but the intake wasn't available then.
Very informative video.
Thank you!
If the mass air flow faked the air, asking more fuel, wouldn’t MM3 be higher, so u would see faked mass air info, no?
Could you use the sport tune only as a daily driver no towing involved.
Yes, no sweat
Was that test with a stock intake horn??
Banks has built their own air intake and designed their own MAF sensor to add to their larger tube.
Yeah, we wish it would have been available at the time of testing.
@@Duramaxtuner they are still on a pretty decent backorder situation
For tow tune, are just talking about putting it in tow mode?
No sir, Tow tune.
Great content, can this tune be used on a stock turbo? And will the result be the same or near to.
The tune that we ran is the “stock-turbo” tune. I suspect the stock turbo data would be quite similar.
When will the 2024 L5P engine be tuned?
@rodeo_cwboy It's currently under development. Keep an eye on our Facebook page for further updates!
Yea wat bout banks if u have derringer already do u go with banks
We tried to get Banks in on this when we did the testing but their intake wasn't ready at the time.
So these EmIssions compliant tunes are they able to be seen by the dealer if you remove them before going to the dealer?
So far, people with that concern tend to keep their stock ECM so they can swap back before a dealer visit.
Please do this with thr new banks intake
Was not available when this was filmed.
WC intake happens to be silver? Thinking that’s the one he kept 🤷
@pacsunzr2 It does match the truck quite well, doesn't it.
use a green filter and the stock air box that is the best answer
We respectfully, agree to disagree.
@@Duramaxtuner try one it will put out the best numbers
banks parts best for l5p engine!
Could the stock intake benefit from just a drop in filter?
It's probably best just to upgrade with an aftermarket when adding horsepower.
Really NO Bank’s Ram Air Intake in your test?
It was not available at the time of testing.
I’m gona leave my stock intake on that not enough to make me spend money for that little hp
When adding HP, we'd suggest adding an aftermarket intake. If the truck is stock, you're golden with the stock intake.
@@Duramaxtuner it’s not worth the money imo stock is more the fine for me and my daily tow these trucks are a headache enough with emissions.
How do i get a tune?
@SmokeCityBBQ-is7vj Check out our website right here: duramaxtuner.com/diesel-tuning/chevy-gmc/l5p.html
If you need any help deciding just give us a call at (815)-568-7920 ext. 2127
Thought these trucks were Pushing 445 horsepower
They're rated at 445HP but they dyno around 405 RWHP here on our chassis dyno.
And my 1st gen 6.7 still makes more power at 10 years old lol
Cool story.
The best intake is the stock intake…..done
What intake did you use and what is a great turner for my 21 2500 6.6 durimax LTZ? Thank you!!
Not if adding horsepower. Done.
If it is why is everyone upgrading to something else?
How would the stock intake box work with a resonator pipe? Is it even worth it with a tune. Is there much difference to just running stock?