Seismic Data: A stake through the heart of flat Earth - Episode 1: Pressure Waves
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- This video discusses the propagation of pressure waves through a medium. Seismic energy propagation for the flat Earth and spheroidal Earth models are then formulated and compared with real world observations.
For all seismic events the observations are consistent with the spheroidal Earth model and utterly inconsistent with the expectation for a flat Earth.
Intro music courtesy of the extraordinarily talented Jessica G:
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Channel graphics courtesy of the wonderfully generous Doctor Who Designs:
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When Krakatoa exploded in 1883, the shockwave it created was recorded. It was so powerful it travelled around the planet seven times, something only possible on a globe.
Yes, that's what I was referring too when I said that we would return to atmospheric pressure waves.
The same thing happened with the Hunga Tonga - Hunga Ha'apai eruption of January 2022.
@@arctic_haze yes
That also happens on a flat earth disk dome model
@kylevalenzuela2059 how?
The flat earthers cannot deny a map that puts the North Pole at the centre with latitude radiating in concentric circles getting wider and wider while claiming that celestial navigation works on flat earth. Airlines and shipping companies are navigating around earth every day, so they must have a map that represents flat earth in order to complete the navigation process. And undeniably they know the direction and distances between ports that they travel to,
Yes, the AE map at least gets distance from the poles correct for all points on Earth - so that's at least something right - which is better than nothing. But that sort of analysis is beyond them.
Disclaimer: leveled plane earther, here. I'm not a flat earther but I will admit that waves are described as 2 Dimensional so at the very least, I can safely say there's at least 70% of 2 Dimensional structure to this realm.
My question:
What about tsunami waves that seem to bounce off Antarctica instead of wrapping around the continent?
@@govidiotsheep Firstly, have you considered diffraction of the wave? Secondly, are you suggesting that Antarctica may not be a the continent we know it to be? Thirdly, why do you suppose tsunamis may not wrap all around the continent and why should it?
@@profphilbell2075 I don't make any claims about Antarctica I'm talking about why did the tsunami waves, especially in 2011 appear to bounce off of Antarctica instead of wrapping around it that's my only question we can get to Antarctica after but I don't see how we even got to that point yet I'm talking tsunami!
@@govidiotsheep "leveled plane earther, here. I'm not a flat earther..." If a level plane is not flat then what is it?
"What about tsunami waves that seem to bounce off Antarctica instead of wrapping around the continent?" May I suggest that you fill a large receptacle with water and drop an object into it? What happens when the waves hit the edge of the receptacle? If you place an object into the receptacle so that it is touching the bottom but partially submerged and then drop another object into it, what happens when the waves strike the partially submerged object?
That was awesome! I always learn a lot from your content. Looking forward to the next entry in this series. Cheers.
Hey Limey, BB! Seen my new video yet? Another Chille one!
@@iamTheSnark I have not! I'll check it out today! Cheers mate!
@@iamTheSnark , I'm just subscribed to your channel, 'The Sound of Chilli' is great. I have argue/debate against the idiotic chilli on the constitution, when I brought up the 10 amendment, he dodge/defects/ignore/ and just move on to other subject, finally he just block me on all social media.
typical of chilli the coward.
Great as always Tony. ‘Concise’ and ‘Clear’ seem to be words I use over and over again in comments to you. Undeniable evidence. Keep up the great work!
Very well explained. The graphics are very helpful.
I always bring up seismology when arguing with flerfs because they have absolutely no arguments that refute the established science and will only ever hem and haw around the subject. Makes it really clear how childish their "world view" is. Nice job!
It's great to see you making videos again, Tony!
Hi V, great to hear from you - I hope you and yours are doing well.
PhD Tony, I just subscribed.
Before flat earthers claim seismic waves can't be used to determine what is underground know this, utility locators can use small explosive devices to locate underground utilities. Same concept as seismic waves on a small scale.
I look forward to more of your videos.
We see you participate in some live chats, but seeing a video from you is the real treat.
Awesome video, Tony!!!! Great to see you putting another nail in that coffin, Flat Earth has been dead for a couple of thousand years, but some people didn't get the memo!
yes sir, keep them coming!
Say for example I have a dense cylindrical object a lead or osmium pipe. Should one strike a flerf with higher density is it possible to determine the transfer of common sense assuming it also follows a wave pattern.
No, common sense doesn't behave like matter. Bodies of positive common sense attract each other and bond, as do bodies of negative common sense. A body of negative common sense will always repel a body of positive common sense, and vice versa.
You could strike a flerf with a cylindrical bar made of the same stuff as neutron stars, but for any potential transfer of common sense, unfortunately there will be no positive common-sense already present for it to bond with, therefore it decays into incredulity and dissipates uselessly into the gaps in the flerf's knowledge. The net positive common sense always remains at zero.
Nice to see you back doing little explainers. :)
Thanks for the explanation Tony. Very clear & interesting. Looking forward to your next video.
This is good to see. I have been asking flat earthers to show me a mathematical model that explains the propagation and reflection of seismic waves on a flat earth for a long time now, of course they have all deflected the question.
@@Aquariotp My PhD thesis was devoted to applications of flat earth seismic models - they are not accurate on continental scale and cannot be made so. You are simply lying.
@@Aquariotp Complete Lies. Show us the proof that all scientific research has more accurate results when the flat model is used.
@@Aquariotp If you actually had evidence, you'd provide it instead of telling others to "do their own research". If you aren't even willing to put forth the effort required to support your position, then obviously it's not worth our effort to acknowledge it. In other words, no valid sources means no valid claims.
Good to see you again, Tony. Great video!
Wow, what a great example to show shockwaves on a globe whereas on a flat earth the dots appear ramdomly on the map.
Thank you 🙏🏼👍🏻
Clear and concise…even for a non-science person like me! Thanks…☺️💗
What a great video! This is something I was talking to a flat earther about on an old thread, and it's something I wanted to see explained by someone far smarter than me. Your manner of explaining this quickly and simply is great, and I also realized I'm not subscribed to you but I should be.
I'm LOVING the idea of this!
3 flatturd butts have been *SERIOUSLY HURT* by this video, so far.
Keep up the good work, PhD Tony :) .
An excellent video. It was highly informative. Unfortunately, I predict that not many flerfs will get to see it. This is because fact based presentations, directly attack their cognitive bias that the Earth flat. The few flerfs brave enough to take the tentative step the into their enemy's territory, freak out the moment graphs appeared on the screen. You can imagine it happening. "Oh bloody hell, graphs!" This is followed by a intracranial hematoma and unconsciousness. I'm looking forward to the next episode. 🤓
Thanks so much for your effort. Great video Tony
Good to hear you PhD Tony.
Good example Tony, although the flat earthers won't even understand the ripples from the stone when dropped in the water.
oh kewl, at 2:50 there is a cloud shaped like a person laying on their right side curled up in the fetal position... amazing what the eyes can do to the brain, makes you see things that arent there... altho the graphs help tremendously in describing the actions occurring.
You and Dr Phil Bell explain things so well, even for idiots like me. Thank you for sharing
nice good to see you posting again my brother was hoping you would be back soon sorry i missed the prem uk time is different to aus time lol
I just want to say thank you for standing up for science in the recent debate with a flat earther on modern day debates . You made some amazing chess moves against a pigeon. But at the end , the pigeon shitted everything and think it won . I hope the pigeon learned something , but most likely it didn’t .
Many thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it very much.
@@PhDTony_original your welcome ! Belief in the flat earth is a symptom of a bigger issue . The main issue is scientific illiteracy !
Nice video Tony!
Couldn’t flerspective explain the FE pattern?!😂
Seriously, I watched a short clip just minutes ago, on recent volcanic eruptions and did see an older one about the Hunga Tonga Tonga (whatever) eruption and that the pressure wave that travelled in the atmosphere. Guess a similar presentation of measurements of that wave would show the same result.
And another thing that strikes me. IF there is a solid dome covering us, how would that affect the measurements of the pressure wave from the Tonga Hunga Hunga (something). We would be able to record the wave reflecting back from the dome.
Yes, that's what I was referring too when I said that we would return to atmospheric pressure waves.
Can you explain why a tsunami in New Zealand can wrap around Australia but not wrap around Antarctica?
Please provide the details of the event you claim occurred and yes I will be able to explain it.
The key factor in determining how tsunamis travel and behave is seafloor geometry (also called bathymetry). If you look at the continental shelf profiles for Eastern Australia and East Antarctica you will see that they have very different geometries. This is why tsunamis are gently redirected by the Australian coastline and just crash into Antarctica.
@@PhDTony_original I was considering the answer could be related to seafloor geometry (bathymetry-thanks, learned a new word there) Before I start digging round for imaging based on data. I'm curious to see this difference around Antartica. I do remember seeing representations of Tsunami waves as detected by sea surface height compared to an average.
Could a reasonable explanation be lack of data for the area around Antartica? I know there was a desire to have more sensors across Oceans after the 2004 Sumatra earthquake and Tsunami. By way of an early warning system for populated areas following any under sea events. Now any such resources would be prioritized to areas where advanced warning to those human populated areas are key. Antarctica doesn't have the population to warrant getting that detailed data. Not unless the Penguins have started some research of their own.
Also I'm not sure if satellite data that monitors sea levels covers the poles in any such detail to capture a tsunami in progress
@@erykmozejko3329 In fact the South Sandwich tsunami did go all the way around Antarctica.
Way to devastating, the flurf minions will have to be kept from seeing it.
Did not see you yet under my new vid!
@@iamTheSnark oh did not get a notification,
I happen to believe that the map to the left (bsaically a south pole centered AE map) is the way to go... The sysmic waves seem to evenly distribute themselves outwards from the epicentre to the edge of the world if you will...
except that the SEISMIC energy radiates outwards from each and every epicentre - your model only works for THIS epicentre. Please listen carefully to what I say during the presentation - it is not simply background noise.
@@PhDTony_original I'm not opposed to looking at other seismic locations using this map...
@@spacegazette4781 then feel free to download the data and plot it up. The data is publicly available and the software is free.. But it's not trivial to do - it took me several days to prepare these figures.
And after all that effort - it will look exactly the same for every epicenter. So I'm not that enthusiastic to spoon feed you.
Okay, I have found a site for you - because apparently doing your own google search is way too much to expect.
Here is a movie for seismic waves travelling across the US due to an earthquake in Ohotsk. You will see the waves initially come from the northwest and propagate southeast - after about 60 minutes things will get jumbled and confused and then you will start to see the waves going from the southeast to the northwest - this is the seismic energy that has gone around the far side of the planet. Then at about 120 minutes the jumbling will occur again and the waves will start coming from the northwest once more.
If you poke around this site you will see lots more examples.
ds.iris.edu/spud/gmv/1186825
@@PhDTony_original Thank you for this website... If you look at the 1st second of your clip, you will see the initial shock seismic wave is travelling from South West to North East as you would expect on a South Pole AE Map. After that, stronger waves behave as you described above... Now, why would weaker waves travel ahead of stronger waves to begin with? And in a different direction? I need more coffee..
Flat earthers won't get this. They will misunderstand, laugh and brush it off.
Thank you.
More education!
Sadly they already have their go to answer for this. Simply to declare that seismology is not science only technology. As if using an instrument stop making it science because it doesn't say what they like.
Nice Job my fellow Brit...
Would seismic activity even be possible on a flat earth? Seems to me on a falt earth tectonic plates would have infinite area in which to expand thus not allowing tectonic pressures to build in the first place. If my premise is correct, earthquakes and mountains would be impossible on a flat
That is one of the issues. We can calculate the volume of material upwelling from the mantle to the surface and the volume of material subducting back into the mantle. The two volumes are approximately equal, consistent with a steady state.
These calculations have not been done for a flat Earth, nor even attempted.
Unfortunately flerfs can't count to 3, or spell scale, or brain or understand word of more than one syllable!
flat earth response: "we don't claim to have the slightest idea where any land is relative to any other land after years of trying, so your argument is a straw man"
uh oh, there are 33 likes!--what do i do Tony?
There is no heart of the FE because it's dead inside...
Flatearth map reward now at $70,655,239 ANTARCTICA IS NOW OPTIONAL! All flatearthers use the exact same map of Earth for directions so, I just want to know.... WHAT'S THE FREEKEN HOLD UP DUDES?! Seriously, what's the delay? Still not enough money??? [Seriously, where’s the map?]
I enjoyed that. And I didn’t fall asleep once!
You’re talking real Science, and I’m putting out vids about poop…
Thanks PhD Tony
Welcome back to the flat square ring, PhD!
. . .Wait . . . Isn't a "flat square ring" some kind of contradiction?
@@johndemeritt3460 A bit like the biblical four corners of the imaginary round FE pancake.
Actually it's a pity that we do not live on a flat earth. We could try using seismic waves to discover the turtles below it 🐢🐢🐢
No conceivable…"you keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means"🤪
It's hard evidence, which means it's NASA lies.
Did you manipulate the earthquake by hand? No, then it's not science.
You've made a fan in me, in fact I'm now a subscriber. looking forward to seeing the next part.
By the 6 min mark you accidentally proved the flat earth dome earth model true. Your model maps are indeed that
No, they are map projections. I am familiar with the cartographic concepts involved in those projections and they are utterly inconsistent with a flat Earth.
Even less is there any demonstration of a dome.
I know flat earthers are wilfully obtuse and I know that you will never learn from my content. It isn't for you, it's for non-delusional people.
Keep saying idiotic stuff and I will simply ban you.
If you take all the flat surfaces in the world, would that be a flat world? Besides you've never been to Kansas.
In fact Florida is the "flattest" US state. But that flatness is measured relative to a datum that is curved.
Love it, but you don't really think any of the Oakley cookie nap/time clowns will be able to make sense of this do you? (i really enjoy washing your giant Mercedes by the way)
That's about 10 000 more nails in the flat earth's coffin. Why are you so mean ?🤪😜
Because flat Earth refuses to stay dead and buried? It's has more stakes through the heart than all the vampires in all the vampire movies EVER, yet IT KEEPS RISING FROM THE DEAD.
What about tsunami waves that seem to bounce off Antarctica instead of wrapping around the continent?
My office is opposite that of an expert in tsunamis. He's not a flat earther - or a level plane earther - or whatever you want to call yourself. So... I'm not sure where you heard that tsunamis support your deranged misinterpretation of reality - but they do not.
Looks like "seems to" is the bit you need to reflect on.
New profile eh, violating the TOS must make you feel so persecuted.
The key factor in determining how tsunamis travel and behave is seafloor geometry (also called bathymetry). If you look at the continental shelf profiles for Eastern Australia and East Antarctica you will see that they have very different geometries. This is why tsunamis are gently redirected by the Australian coastline and just crash into Antarctica.
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Was great seeing you get schooled by witsit
That didn't happen.
The ball comunity , what do you have as proofs except a bunch of science science-fiction movies and pictures ?!!!
Scientific research papers, maps that everybody is using for navigation, global communication technologies, everyday observations (sunrise and sunset, moon eclipses, horizon, seasons), global logistics and supply chain management etc. What do you have, flat earthers, except videos on social media made by flat earth conmen?
Did you not watch the video?
*CLUELESS* flerfs and religiots!
@@raimundematiusaityte9929 we have common sense and realistique experiments , the same maps existed and people used them to travel and navigate safely in the Greek era and Egyptian era, and after ..... and all of them knew the earth was flat , just look at there precise astronomical calculs of the sun and moon they had . The globe lie only started recently like 400 years ago or smt , they are working with the same numbers but only they want you to believe that it's a globe , for a very secret psychological hidden reason ....what did you bring new ?!!
Instead of looking at the next sunset on a clear sky evening look the opposite direction and explain that dark hue of pink/red/purple growing from the horizon. Then look up the Belt of Venus and you might realize you're looking at the planets shadow or what some of us call the Terminator line from day to night as we rotate away from the suns view because we live on a giant ball with a gaseous ocean of air that refracts light.
While seismic data is of course one of the best evidences out there to directly proof the earth is a globe, some FEs would probably not accept it because it's hard to do such measurements on your own.
Though another great thing we have nowadays are interactive lightning maps that record, locate and map out all lighting strikes all around the globe. The great thing about this is, everyone can actually buy or even create the necessary hardware themselfs. The amazing thing about lightning bolts is that they have a unique signature. A single bolt is not just one discharge. There are several lower energy pre-discharges which essentially form the ion channel and some additional discharges after tha main discharge. This signature can be used to identify a certain lightning strike at the various detector stations. Together with the exact time a detector detected the signal, we can actually locate the strikes with e quite high precision. Some bolts are detected by several hundreds of stations.
On this page you can actually turn on the stations and have animated lines show up when a strike was detected. Those options are hidden in pop-over menus at the top:
www.lightningmaps.org/
There are many such systems active and there are open source projects out there, so you can check the code if you want.
My dad once has a small sailing yacht and he actually build a standalone version (based on a project on the iNet) that uses 4 antennas to actually get a heading for a signal. Based on a rough energy level distribution it calculated the rough distance of the lightning strike. A thunderstorm usually has dozens if not hundreds of strikes per second. So plotting them on a map gives you a good idea where the storm is heading. I've seen this in action several times and it works great. Of course this standalone detector doesn't help to proof the globe, however the networks of stationary detectors do.
I understand that seismic evidence will not convince flat earthers, that's not my intent. My intent is to educate everyone else so that if they're approached by flat earthers they can slap them down.
The lightning detector evidence is really cool, thank you for explaining it in so much detail.
It's flat
Yes. A flat earther's brainwaves ARE flat.
@@CNCmachiningisfun flat flat flat flat flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Have some proof of your claim?
Now watch the video, try to actually understand it, and then try again.
Seismic energy proves a globe ? nice try.. proves nothing except to space bunnies..
Had you watched the video you would understand that it is not the existence of seismic energy, but the way in which that energy propagates that indicates the shape of the medium through which the waves are travelling.
But thank you for supporting the algorithm - my channel appreciates it.
@@PhDTony_original But you haven't disproved the space bunnies. Still waiting...