US vs. Apple: Antitrust Lawsuit Explained
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- The Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against Apple claiming that the company's approach to the iPhone and iOS operating system stifle competition.
00:00 Intro
00:13 Case against the Apple ecosystem
00:57 Apple's response
01:37 Echoes of 1998 Microsoft case
2:33 App store is a big focus
02:53 Focus around text messaging
04:00 Lawsuit also goes into the Apple watch
04:18 Complaints about how Apple restricts digital wallets
04:39 Prosecutor's demands
05:22 Conclusion
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"Buy your mom an iphone" are fighting words LMAO
😂😂😂
Tim is cooking
lol what do you expect the CEO of Apple to support a competitor?
Love him or hate him that's a legendary response lmaoooo
The smug way in which Cooke said that makes my blood boil.
type c in new iphone 15 opened a float gate 😂
That was because of the EU, nothing to do with the US
@@austinhernandez2716true
Walled Garden HIGHLY illegal, esp. when it comes to silly proprietary connectors, and prevent you from paying with YOUR bank, and charging people more to buy/use e-books on Amazon and such.
Plus the DMA in Europe
So you didn't noticed they already started to change their products to USB-C before the regulation.. iPad and Macbook already was USB-C, do you think they will stop at half way..? They just gived enough time for accessory makers (because iPhone have way more accessory like iPad and Macbooks..) to prepare to the change.. a sudden decision can bankrupt thousands of company.. like they have 10000 lighting Thermal camera in stock, what they will never sell after the change.. or do you think people will buy a $300 thermal camera when they know they will change their phone soon, and it will be unusable, so they need to buy one more.. because thermal camera became unusable with adapter.. and that is just one example.. so they did it on the right way, gived enough time for the manufacturers to empty their warehouses (on that way the things will become to e-waste at least a few years later, and nobody will bankrupt..)
Across the pond, we have no idea what the green and blue text bubbles mean, we just use WhatsApp on iphones and androids.
By Pond do you mean either the Pacific or Atlantic ocean? Lol.
When What's App was 0.99cents on App Store, best dollar I ever spent.
Exactly
@@karthikv2070 🤣🤣🤣 The UK for short
Same here in Brazil
That's just unfair, apple would never engage in any anticompetitive or anti consumer behaviour. Just ask their lawyers!
Besides iPhone will break if they force them to work with other devices 🤷♀️
It's just the way it is
apple fought for many years against right to repair for a reason corporate greed
I think right to repair is where tthey deserve to be sued for, not this garbage. I for one, use apple devices in part for the strong security a closed ecosystem provides. The scary thing will be that if there's a pathway to download an app without the app store, then it's possible you open a message or click a website and malware is downloaded without you even knowing. Right now, there's physically no code path for this to happen. Create the path in code, and someone somewhere will find a way to exploit it. Apple devices will be way less secure.
@@heyaisdabomb Yeah the right to repair thing is a tricky one. Apple ended up choosing its current path for 2 reasons.
First was security. Obviously it wouldn't do to have someone sabotage your fingerprint or faceID scanner to get instant access to your phone. So they started by securing everything from the secure enclave to the fingerprint scanner and serializing all the components so that if even the wires between them were swapped out that functionality would brick. Since their phones are used by people of all walks of life including people with government secrets this is kind of a reasonable consideration IMHO.
Second was that a multi billion dollar industry started to pop up where people would buy iPhones, harvest parts out of them, break the phone and then return it under warranty. The stolen parts would then be used to fix other phones to be sold or just outright sold to other repair shops. Apple had an absolute fortune stolen from them by these people and wanted to protect themselves against it. Again, kind of a reasonable response in my opinion.
Honestly it does suck. But I'm more mad at people who perform espionage and steal endless amounts of money from Apple by harvesting parts out for ruining everything. In a perfect world none of this would be necessary and we'd have right to repair as a result but it's kind of like seeing a store close down after being repeatedly robbed in a high crime area. Yeah it sucks for the community that it's gone but are you going to be mad at the company or at the criminals who drove them to close up shop?
@@heyaisdabombI agree. The repair issue is an entirely different thing. But to force Apple to open up its App Store to whoever is crazy. There is a reason Apple products have the least amount of Malware and virus issues. They keep downloadable software very strict/limited. This could lead to all kinds of security risks.
@@heyaisdabomb disagree, I should be able to install what i wish on a device ive paid for. its already possible to download apps outside of the appstore WITHOUT jailbreaking or exploiting the device. (look into developer mode and sideloading; altstore and sideloadly are good tools for this) the issue is apple makes this process needlessly cumbersome after the apps are installed. apps expire and need to be renewed after a week (to get around this you need to install a server a pc you use that renews and resyncs these apps every week) and your only allowed to install 3 apps if you dont have a developer account ($100 a year). honestly, if apple removed these two restrictions i would be completely fine with there being no official support for third party appstores, as it would allow those who really wanted to build and install their own apps.
@@user-xh1fo7fv5rI've been using Android for over a decade and not ONCE have I ever gotten a virus or malware. Stop this security narrative. Android 10, 11, 12 and onward each have gotten consistently better with security. With Samsung phones, there's basically two offerings of security. One coming from Samsung, which is a manufacturer offering and the other is from Google. There's PLENTY of features that are of equal if not superior to Apple.
People who have iPhones are just incompetent of knowing what to do with an Android phone.
Convenient how everyone forgets Microsoft was in the same place 25 years ago. Google is in the same place with advertising right now.
No one forgot. They just didn't mention it in this video. Watch the DoJ's press briefing. They alluded to it there. Or watch the verge
Well technically the Microsoft case was completely different. Microsoft was using their influence to dictate to small businesses what they could and couldn’t pre install on their computers for their own clients. Microsoft didn’t create the computers and didn’t own the companies selling hardware with their OS. But they were bullying small OEM vendors to force them to not install apps for their customers despite selling them tools to do just that. Google did essentially the same thing and got in trouble for it too.
However in Apple’s case they make the hardware, the software, maintain the closed ecosystem and own their apple stores. So the Microsoft lawsuit would be more like as if they started demanding that they would only sell office on the iPhone if apple banned all competing office apps and stopped making their own. It’s not Microsoft’s place to do that and they’d get sued if they tried.
@@drenathorThe hardware that's been basically universal between all phones for years now btw.
@@Svangen1 I see, many media houses eventually talked about it.
"What aboutism" is so contagious for people who can't argue back....
Remember when the US Gov. asked Apple to created a back door for the police to access locked iPhones and encrypted data and Apple answered no and doubled down on the importance of privacy? That is what started this lawsuit.
I was to most degree an “Android Fanboy” until I saw this stance that Apple made against the US Gov. The next smartphone that I purchased was an iPhone and never looked back.
Yeah yeah belive that PR BS no one can say no to FBI they boasted about it but then gave them access privatly
It isn’t, that was many years ago now, under an entirely different administration and it was an entirely different part of the government. The FTC and Justice Department have been ramping up antitrust enforcement since the start of the Biden administration, mostly championed by Lina Kahn, who’d gotten a bipartisan confirmation and now in the Republican Party is cheerleader by Josh Hawley and seems to be reviled by other Republicans Senators, but is still technically bipartisanly popular and is probably honestly one of the few people in government where pretty much everything she’s done has been pretty popular, aside from with the mega corps who are affected by this
@@Sealambertboth of you are corporate bootlickers 😂
@@Sealambertthat's a pretty dumb reason to change from Android to Apple but okay.
I get some of the things mentioned but I do not get the part about the apple ecosystem. It seams the same as wanting PlayStation controllers to work on Xbox.
It's more like having a multiplat game on Xbox, Playstation and PC and then Playstation only accepting payments for that game done on their platform and payments done on other platforms being ignored even though otherwise it all works cross-platform.
Xbox and PlayStation is a duopoly that needs to be looked in too.
The part about apple watches not working with androids isnt even fair, many FitBit and Google Pixel watch devices are Android Exclusive
Sorry to break your bubble, but there is nothing like ecosystem, it's just called internet. Non-apple devices communicate with each other like internet but apple devices only communicate with other apple devices like an intranet, intentionally build walls. Apple devices act like a angry women who refuses to talk with other people not because she can't, she can, she just intentionally chooses not to do so, amd everyone else just talks with everyone normally in an open "ecosystem".
@@cassiuscartlandbut that is because of apple making it almost impossible to use any other watch than their own. So who's fault is that?
How about Ticketmaster???
Or Boeing or Verizon and AT&T and Comcast each in their area are monopolies. So what’s the big deal here with Apple?
YES
Watch the press conference. AG Garland explains this well.
Having a monopoly isn't the problem. Using your power as a monopoly to lock out other businesses is. I'm not saying AT&T and Comcast don't engage in anticompetitive practice. Only that Apple is the most egregious offender here.
@@celebrityrogbecause apple probably refused to give donations lol
How is no one talking about a certain company who’s CEO has the world’s biggest Yatch 😂
Im waiting for AppleExplained channel to explain the lawsuit.
Yeah I can’t watch this without the calming piano either
MaxTech is going to be pissed about this lawsuit 😆
@@io_inc 😆😆
Loool
Same
I as much as I dislike "what-about-isms," Private equity firms in the US are buying up all the single-family homes before they come on the market so they can rent them out at sky-high rates. It's nearly impossible for first-time home buyers to buy a house, which is historically the #1 way wealth is built in the middle class. My point is, there are more important ways that the government should be protecting citizens from corporate greed.
This comment should be pin
Are there good laws on the books already to go after that though? The Justice Department can only enforce laws that are already there, I think that’s a problem that Congress needs to do something about
Every time a company gets too big, the prices go up for EVERYBODY.
Truer words never spoken
Facts
But Samsungs are more expensive than iPhones nowadays.. lmao
S24 ultra $1300. 15 pro max $1200
this is the free market and there are options to avoid all of this, don't buy Apple, what happens is that loser companies who can't compete due to limitations of their own are being petty and whining like little losers, asking daddy government to intervene in the free market.
Apple can do all of those things because the free market is choosing Apple, if the free market decided that what Apple is doing is wrong then we would all vote with our wallets and so far we have chosen that Apple is ok.
Is the classic loser who can't play sports claims the one who can is cheating.
@@EricRamz And I have an Android phone that cost $400 that does everything I need it to do. Not all Androids are Samsung, there are many other smaller indie phone manufacturers out there that offer devices for affordable prices. That's the thing about Android, it can be used anywhere.
I use iPhone and Mac…so yeah I’m an Apple user. But the issues of allowing devices to communicate well enough cross platform is something that should be fixed. Yes, it’s business. But I do believe the simplest issue of them all with the green/blue bubbles thing should be ironed out for users.
It's more complex than that. There's reasons from a computer science stand point that these things are done as well. Apple created it's own picture and video files that is inherently compressed by up to 80%, called .HEIC files. There's a size limitations in SMS messages that have. to be ironed out, and all the blue message is doing is telling you, is this going through imessage i.e. the internet or SMS, which is through your cell carriers network (not the internet). This gives customers more information, and helps me to know what I can and can't do because android doesn't have the same features as ios. Non apple devices or third party apps opens the ecosystem to malware and viruses. Apples closed ecosystem provides a strong layer of security, even the government struggles to break in as we saw in the San Bernadino terrorist case. You can't mandate a company to build software to work with other devices. Are they going to sue LG because smart things only works with LG devices? What about other companies with their own proprietary systems?
@heyaisdabomb thats bogus. Apple could support RCS that would actually make it more secure for Apple users. Messaging already exists with other devices so it should be to the latest highest standard
As long as u can make calls and send text messages. That’s all that is required for a PHONE! The computer/software tech is different. If u want to be part of the Apple eco system, buy an apple product. As far as the “tap to pay” that Apple hv more of a grasp, then I would ask who came up with the tech? When iPhones first came out, they had an exclusive deal with AT&T for the first few years, so u had to be with AT&T.
Apple already announced, the day after this lawsuit was filed, that they will update iMessage to be compatible with Rcs by next year. So the fact that they can update their app so fast blows holes in your argument. Let alone announcing the update THE DAY AFTER YOU ARE SUED. You should watch the DOJs breakdown. The issue is that apple deliberately makes OTHER devices technology not work or less performative on iPhone. And because of the bad experiences with other devices apple users then shop for apple devices to save the headache. But thats the problem. The DOJ isnt saying you cant have proprietary tech. They are saying you cant build into your device faulty performance if you are connecting to a non apple device, app, product, browser, which apple 100% does hence why it lost in the EU. The USA is just copy pasting the case cause all the evidence is there.
It's beyond that, there's a monopsony side too we're developer and sellers are being controlled as well.
What is that about the messengers? I can use Signal just fine on my IPhone?
but in the USA, text messaging is the norm.
@1:34 What app is that?
Flighty-Live Flight Tracker
WE ADDED USB C...WHAT MORE DO YA WANT???
That was the EU tho
😂😂
most people in the world can't even afford a new iphone so enjoy your faster cheaper charging cable.
😂😂😂
We WANT GAMEPASS App Officially to work…. Same for other streaming game apps.
I hope the lawsuit goes thru… I’m tired of not having ford parts in my Chevy or gas in my Tesla… we need options people
Infuriating we can't use fuel in our Teslas.
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Hahahahaha hahahahaha 🤣😂 DOJ is making strides😅
Hilarious!!! 👊🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
I agree. Why couldn’t I eat a Whopper in a McDonald’s?
Didn’t they already announce support for RCS, later in the future?
Apple has been changing (RCS, lower comissions on app store, usb-c) because of pressure. They know their time is limited to continue as a monopoly. They took small actions to avoid situations like this lawsuit. But it was a long time coming
That what I was thinking so the whole texting argument wouldn’t really be a thing. Correct me if I’m wrong
@@edgingnothing4070 RCS support would bring security and standards to cross-OS chats, but the green/blue bubble will stay. Blue bubbles are crucial for Apple. They're not letting that go.
@@ronaldbardalez6318But all the other functions will be fixed. High quality images and videos, plus much better group chats between iMessage and Android. The text bubble thing is meaningless, as long as the experience is flawless.
Well, by this logic they could also gun for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo for the “monopoly” of game stores on their own hardware. This is just ridiculous.
The issue I guess is the lack of other companies going toe to toe with apple
Thi yes?? They would. On a Playstation your locked down and forced to buy stuff at extreme prices for 0 reason. They also control everything that goes into the ecosystem.
It's different somewhere like windows. Linux or android. Where u can freely install whatever you want. And in fact has been a norm for years
By the way. Yk how apple tries to make sideloading seem scary ?
Microsoft does too! If a developer doesn't pay a 100$ fee your computer will tell u windows protected your pc
But it's garbage they are making U.S. buyers to use eSIM only, and every other county has a choice between eSIM and physical SIM card.
Yeah that's just completely messed up. Like, why does Canada get physical SIM. It's CANADA!
@@sdfjsdtons of wasted space on the iPhone hardware
@@the_mariocrafter I. Don't. Care!
@@sdfjsd I was saying that the LACK of SIM card slot on the USA models without any benefit is a waste of space. SIM card slots are essential for a phone’s operation and we need microSD as well.
@@the_mariocrafter Oh I thought you were saying putting a SIM card slot in iPhone is a waste of space
How about going after Boeing first DOJ? Fix that problem first
That's currently under investigation.
Doesn't mean other problems can't be fixed in the meantime.
Apple is in the hot seat from the EU and now U.S.
Apple should be the priority 😂😂😂
Pretty certain the DOJ can do more than one thing at a time
@@phillippereira6468 Unless that includes walking and chewing gum...
Yes go after Boeing and examine the death of the whistle blower who was killed in his truck ! WTF?
The airpods always got me puzzled with its listening in feature.
Tbh I’ve got for years I don’t know much difference from Samsung etc and it’s hire prices
My first impression was this was wonderfully breathless video about this lawsuit. Well done.
What people don't understand is that, DOJ is not asking Apple to make worst products. They are asking them to give options/choice to users. If Apple products work together nicely, then good for them. But they should not make non-apple items painful. For example, if Google decides to give only 240p on TH-cam when played in an Apple device and gives 4K to non-apple device, technically, they are not breaking any laws. However, they are making the user experience so painful on Apple devices that will make people switch to non-apple devices. Wouldn't you complain that Google is doing this intentionally? If Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft and all big tech companies do the same, then everyone will complain that they are targeting Apple by giving inferior experience and better experience on Android devices. Apple is doing the same by making non-apple experience painful and people don't realize that. Apple is subconsciously making people to use only their products instead of giving them a choice.
@@O._.O._.Ofor what ? Twitter videos ?
@@O._.O._.OLol okay, nice dream world you’re living in
There’s no force. You can either buy an iPhone or an android, the choice is 1,0000% yours.
@@O._.O._.O That is the current status because Apple has established themselves as a big player. If Google, Meta, Microsoft systematically did this for a period of time in all apps, then you wouldn't even consider Apple. Say, tomorrow, none of the google, meta and microsoft apps works on Apple devices. How many days would you use Apple for? I bet 50% of the people would switch from Apple in an instant. In an open internet world, everyone has to play nicely with everyone. Even in DOJ's case, they mentioned that Apple was the main benefactor when DOJ brought their case against Microsoft.
@@ArborSeasit’s wild to me how people don’t understand this.
Yeah the App Store needs to change
what about Amazon?
Let's focus on one company for now
@@fatherprincipalhahahahaha 😂 yeah I was getting confused
Truth in fact is every company would want to become a monopoly like Apple.
And for once we have a legitimate for governments to exist, to prevent any business from becoming a monopoly.
All businesses want to eliminate the competition. That means they all want to become monopolies. We have a tool to protect us against monopolies...it's call the government.
If unchecked, yes. This is why we have government.
True. And it's the government's job to prevent companies from becoming monopolies. That's what they're doing.
@@xiphoid2011you’re naive if think that comment is the reason. Government keeps pressuring Apple to give them a back door to spy on US citizens but Apple shows middle finger. This is the way US government bullies you.
Excellent explanation. Thanks
Curious are the government personnel also using iPhones?
People need to get serious
this lawsuit can have a great impact on the company, i hope it helps them to become more efficient and better, not just on profit making.
Damn, how much more better do you want them to be? They’ve created life-changing technology (and continue to invest heavily in R&D)…
@@xavier3098 They need to cure cancer. NOW!!! 🤣
lol too much 🤣@@MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF
@@xavier3098Nope, Apple has spent MORE on buybacks than Innovation.
@@xavier3098Life changing Technology that caused more privacy issues especially in healthcare leading to less secure access
Apple is less like Microsoft's anti-trust, and more like AT&T's anti-trust.
It’s nothing like AT&T, assuming you’re referring to the dissimination of Bell. Apple is not the only company selling phones and the software to go with it so they are not a monopoly in that sense. It’s much more like Microsoft, although in fairness, MS was pretty darn close to being like AT&T since they made sure the OS and Windows Explorer were the only software installed on “all” PCs. AT&T/Bell was different because they were literally the only company that could provide home phone service back in the day.
@@housepianist Honestly I don't think this is really like either one. AT&T had a true monopoly and there wasn't any real competition and all the existing phone lines were owned by one company that wouldn't share. It was broken up as a result. Whereas Android outsells iPhone every year. By definition it's not a monopoly.
With Microsoft, they had an OS that ran on other people's hardware and released tools to let manufacturers roll out custom versions of Windows pre-loaded with drivers, software, wallpaper packs and more. But when people started bundling firefox into the OEM versions of Windows Microsoft suddenly tried revoking licenses, bullying creators, and more. They released tools designed for a purpose and then intimidated people for using them when they used them according to the license.
With Apple, They built nearly everything from the ground up. The hardware, software, app store, APIs, etc. Apple has never made any secrets about how closed their ecosystem is and has marketed it as a hand curated, gated community by design. And people buy it knowing this up front. Problem is, competitors don't like playing by Apple's rules and have been aggressively lobbying the government to tell Apple how they have to do business. And now the government is getting involved.
And guess what they were able 40 years later to merge back with 6 of the 7 baby bells they broke up into.
Bs lawsuit
Bs lawsuit
How about looking at this from the other side as explained by the folks at Front Page Tech (FPT).
iMac's that are old cannot download new software when the hardware can fully support it. This causes waste of the hardware when there is no issue.
idk how to feel about this..
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If you don't understand than you have Stockholm Syndrome
@@td3053 I know what it’s like for customers with android phones. Constant viruses. Bricked phones. So idk how to feel about it because I know it’s going to cause a LOT of issues with security.
@@Crowski I mean this is obviously a constant miscommunication because my entire life of having Samsung phones I never had a virus or a "brick phone." What I can say from experience is when I decided to take a hiatus from Samsung and tried an iPhone, I hated it and went back to a Samsung after 2 weeks. Apple phones are (as offensively as possible) simple machinery for very simple minded "cookie cutter" people. You can't do anything on those phones like you can do on Samsung. It's actually laughable how the common misconception for people with Android phones is that we are "poor" or lack "sophistication." Honestly, my Samsungs (S's, Notes, and Folds) have always been way more expensive than any iPhone and was actually a great devices for people that can think outside of the Apple secret garden. I feel the cult of Apple are the people that can't drink anything else but the Apple juice and then judge you for doing so. It's not our fault you folks can't think freely for yourselves and lack the capabilities to voice wanting more out of your device. Let's face it, your device can't do much but what Apple wants you to do, which is very very limiting.
@@td3053 I get what you’re saying cuz I’ve had nearly every flagship available in the USA lol. 😂 I work in the tech industry and help customers with their devices.
There’s things with Apple that I LOVE. The security. The ecosystem. Little things in the software that just make sense that Samsung can’t do.
Example:
iPhone - open messages, tap on contact, click camera, take photo, edit and send.
Android- you can’t do that. You have to take the photo, edit it, open gallery or the message then add the photo and send.
It’s annoying.
Or say I take a screen shot.
I can’t just take it, edit it copy and send on a Samsung. I have to save it then attach it and then I have to delete it from my gallery.
Most people aren’t going into developer options and tweaking their phone.
They aren’t overclocking their phones.
They don’t even know about Samsung themes….
Majority of people don’t know tech. All they know is call, email, message and the common social media stuff.
That’s why Apple succeeds.
They’ve perfected the phone and ecosystem.
Android feels clumsy when you compare it to Apples software.
This is long overdue
You are dumb 😂 but WT Samsung users are always that…
I remember I can't transfer files between iphone 1 and samsung via bluetooth.
This has similarities with what occurred with AT&T and the Bell Monopoly, that too, took the Federal Courts to change the way they operated and did business. There are some recent mega-operations that should also be checked sooner than later. Let's see if enough consumers see the issue.
And yeah that turned out so well didn’t it. I won’t even use ATT because of their poor service and I mean customer service. Haven’t used them I about 20 years now and will not.
In the case of the Bell breakup, it was because these services were land based access, so consumers were unable to choose from providers directly and were forced to use whatever Bell decided was best. Wireless services today are not restricted by the local service area in that way, which broadens available choice.
@@napynap That might be true where you live but is not where I live, each service has sections they control.
how the table turned hahahahhaha
If Apple has a monopoly on iPhones, does that mean McDonald's has a monopoly on Big Macs?
Hmnm, you can go to Wendy's, Burger King, Subway.....the choices go on, How about phone platforms?
@@LifeBeautifulMessbut he has a point… you can’t get a Big Mac at Wendy’s. So that should probably be the next lawsuit. McD’s should not be the only ones able to sell a double burger with a bun in the middle 🤪
Best analogy I have found so far. I’m just as confused as you are.
Users dnt really care about this! Jst government needs money
no. McDonald's doesn't allow others to use their space to sell specific items.
Such a space (like App store). is the reason lot of people buy iphone.
so not only are they profiting off these apps by getting more customers, they are then forcing these developers to pay 30% of any transaction through their app as "service tax".
it's pure monopoly
Competing for releasing the same old tech each new product.
Noisy background. Avoid it
I heard a 1999 apple commercial of somebody saying we have a trouble with apple
Try getting photos off your iphone and trying to back them up nicely to an external drive... annoying.
I wish we can just drag and drop like android does for windows pc
@@javedahad1033 yes, I completely agree.
This. And if you download a ton of images from different apps (Discord, Reddit, Facebook, Chrome), they'll all get mixed with camera photos if you move them.
On Android they stay nicely organized into app-based folders.
Really don't want to have memes, screenshots etc. mixed with camera photos. Just yuck
@@javedahad1033you can tho… when you plug it into a Windows PC it appears in File Explorer, and on Mac you can just see it on Finder under the “Photos” section
Let Apple do Apple. Let competition compete.
Hey Tim apple!
Yeah that's the point. Apple doesn't want to compete. That's why they have a closed ecosystem.
@@therambler3713, and who are we to tell a company how to design a product? Other than for safety reasons, the government is here to only regulate taxes, what’s safe for the citizen/consumer, national security and break up monopolies. (as it pertains to the free market)
You don’t like it? Then buy a competitor’s device.
@@Zig_Was_HereApple is engaging in monopolistic behavior with it's locked ecosystem, this affects businesses and developers who don't tow the Apple line.
Verticals integration is what makes their products work together so well.
Nothing stopping them from doing that. They are going out of their way to degrade performance and force things to work worse for anyone wanting to use anything else which is the issue.
Yes but they will need get rid of that, just make a transition or integration with other products better. That diesnt hurt Apple consumers and may help Android users to switch more seemingly
@@Dougget Extremely buggy Microsoft products and hit or miss android features are a prime example of why vertical integration will always be better.
Android devices work seamlessly with windows or linux devices, it's called internet. When i change my profile picture for Facebook from my phone, then open facebook on my computer, then i don't have to change it again there, it will automatically change there too, 100% of the time, there is no "but", "if" or "may be" in that. When i type a message on telegram app on android but don't send it, just type it as a draft, i can open telegram on windows or iphone or mac and hit send from there, the message would be typed there too, waiting to be send, if i make a line on Microsoft onenote on my computer, my phone would apso get that line in onenote, instantly and always, that's how internet works. So if non-apple devices and services can talk with each other so well, then why can't apple products also do that? Why can't apple products also talk with non-apple products same way as other products do, why apple products act like angry women who is upset about something and won't talk with anyone? What's up with that!
@@ROBMACDUI Android devices work seamlessly with Android and non-android devices like windows or linux or apple devices, it's called internet. When i change my profile picture for Facebook from my phone, then open facebook on my computer, then i don't have to change it again there, it will automatically change there too, 100% of the time, there is no "but", "if" or "may be" in that. When i type a message on telegram app on android but don't send it, just type it as a draft, i can open telegram on windows or iphone or mac and hit send from there, the message would be typed there too, waiting to be send, if i make a line on Microsoft onenote on my computer, my phone would apso get that line in onenote, instantly and always, that's how internet works. So if non-apple devices and services can talk with each other so well, then why can't apple products do that? Why can't apple products also talk with non-apple products same way as other products do with each other and with apple products?
People love to complain about Apple and everything they do while their product sales are growing by the minute. Hilarious.
To be fair they did ask for this law suit. I don't mind if they make their product ecosystem seamless but purposely hurting the experience of other apps and devices with their own is asking for a law suit. Just stick to making the ecosystem the best it can be so users have a constant incentive to use your products, let the products speak for themselves.
I think the danger here is that if Apple invented the idea of the modern smart phone, created their own hardware, their own operating system, their own app store, their own infrastructure etc. and say here's the rules and here's how it works. Don't like it? Don't buy it... And people bought it because they wanted it more than what's being offered by the competition... Why does the government now get the right to step in then and say hey! knock it off! You made something that people want to buy and it's making the competition feel bad. So on behalf of them we are forcing you to change your business model.
@@drenathorSo if Microsoft forced you to use Edge on your Windows PC you are fine with that?
@@JS-ct1uo Which apps does Apple force you to use on iPhone in 2024?
HomePods work with Spotify, Siri works with Google maps. Default browsers can be changed.
So yeah, which apps are we being forced to use lol
@@EricRamz Chrome and Firefox are forced to use the safari engine so are nothing more than reskins of safari. So no you cannot really change your browser.
They also force you to use apple payment system and remove any apps which link to a web page from which they can buy the app or service often for less.
So yeah I would say that users are forced to use apple pay and Safari.
@@EricRamz Web browsers are forced to use safari's engine. So chrome and Firefox are nothing more than reskins of Safari.
Also you are forced to use Apple pay and any attempt to bypass this (even linking the user to a web page to make a purchase) will result in the app being removed and developer blocked from the app store.
So yeah users are forced to use apple pay and Safari.
Users are always free to leave.
Users are enabling this to happen
Exactly my thoughts. It’s the users’ choice of what devices they’re comfortable to use
apple is doing nothing wrong. People buy their products. So what?
More users buy them because of the Walled Garden therefore sending them more money because it's much more of an inconvenience to be outside of an apple ecosystem when all your friends and families are. If there is a proven trends that it's easier to buy their products and they are inconvenience than the day-to-day life or Social Circles because they don't, then that means changes must be made
Actually.. Apple is making it harder to leave.. I have an iPhone with airpods and an apple watch. If I suddenly decide I want to go back with android, I lose a lot of features with my apple accessories, making it a big inconvenience to switch...
how delusional can you be to think apple isn't doing anything wrong?
@@Black_Magic_Pearl lots of IT devices and others are proprietary to certain brands. Why single out Apple?
It's a free market to create products that work with your own products.
I always liked the company Samsung/ Android better than iPhone, but I felt that with an iPhone I wasn't connected to people and friends around me with the facetime features and messaging. Another thing that will be fixed Is the iPhone storage monthly fee problem. Paying for my storage, because It doesn't allow me to transfer to my HP laptop.
to transfer data from iPhone to windows, you have to use an application called iTunes in your windows pc.
Samsung has the Samsung wallet which is not just exclusive to Samsung but certain models too. Like if this goes through that means google wallet and Samsung wallet are gonna have to be changed too
I'll take the gov seriously when they give the same hard look to google.
They've been attacking google for Search, Maps, TH-cam, Gmail, Etc.
They are
They have usually at Apple's behest actually
Completely
Aren’t they doing that right now?
It seems like DOJ has nothing else better to do.
I mainly want the ability to sideload apps. I’m an Android developer and don’t have to pay any fees to test Android apps on a real device. Apple requires a $99 annual developer fee just to test apps on physical hardware.
APPLE WILL NEVER SUPPORT SIDE LOADING.
There's plenty of 3rd party apps out there that let you sideload apps to iPhone. The main caveat is that without the premium developer account they are limited to a 7 day window (but more than enough if you're developing something and just testing it out).
Yeah because paying 99$ a year is so expensive, bffr
actually, you get 7 days per app testing for free, if you want to use it past then you just reinstall the app
the fact the watch will not work with the iPad is bizarre
There are too many law school graduates with nothing to do in the US.
This is like complaining about why Benz tyres don't fit on a Toyota. This is pretty much going to go after the CAR Industry and to be honest all gadgets.
This is serious Nanny State Politics. JUST DONT BUY AN IPHONE if you don't want one.
No, it is not. This is like Mercedes forcing every gas station to pay them some money because they are refueling a Mercedes car. We own our cars, and can actually do whatever we want with them, with iPhones, even after you buy it, it is Apple that is owning it.
I'm gonna file a lawsuit against Sony for not letting me play PS5 games on my Nintendo Switch! 😡
Right!!
So many other companies doing sketchy things out there, why is Apple being targeted? 👀
I suspect some politicians received hefty campaign donations to go after Apple
Everyone is just mad at Apple for being the most innovative company in the world that’s all that’s happening here. Apple created the multi-touch display and the App Store for multi-touch apps. Now all of a sudden, Apple is in the wrong simply because other companies came out with iPhone knock offs and somehow Apple is now required to “play fair” with those knock offs.
I love Apple walled garden. It just works seamlessly with one another.
Very good!
This whole suit is ridiculous !! There are dozens of other phones out there in the market that people can buy. Apple doesn’t force you into buying an Apple product, that’s a decision the consumer makes. If anything Apple should be sued for price gauging its customers and that’s about it. People buy Apple products because they feel safe in doing so.
So apple makes a great set of products that work seamlessly together and the government gets mad?
I was about to say the same thing
I’m sorry my product is better than yours
So I will just share my products with you
Are they thinking of security
Encryption is going to be a problem at some point in time
To does who understand what I mean by encryption.
Would you be fine with whatever brand of vehicle you drive, that company only allowing you to fill up at specific gas stations or a certain brand gasoline giving you less mileage.. That’s essentially what Apple is doing, limiting what you can and can’t do based off of their product even though another brand smart watch can do the exact same things.
@@leaf16nutkeyword “their.” It’s Apple’s product. There are no secrets and shouldn’t be any surprises as to what is “limited” and what isn’t. If you don’t like the limitations don’t buy the product. It’s that simple. There are many options.
@@leaf16nut You are getting it wrong
can you fix a Toyota with a dodge car part? if yes, it will never work as good as it’s original part
Because it sounds like you are comparing apples with potatoes.
For iPhones the basic things work across board with other phone,
If you want all the extra that comes with the iOS then get an iOS
If the other company offers something better then move to the other company
Regardless of all the trouble we have in the USA we can arguably say its still one of the best country in the world
Are you trying to say we should give everything that makes us one of the best country?
Intelligence, military, security, freedom and more
What apples got, is what makes apple great.
let the other players in the industry up their game it’s as simple as that
I can’t make my product better then give it to you
No. Did you even listen to any of this?
"You don't like? You don't buy" are wise words for times like today.
I think if this the same why console exclusives exist, I think it’s good for competition from other tech brands
Small correction…James Bond is MI6, not CIA.
Unless you count the time they sold the rights to Casino Royale and it was made into an American teleplay. Then he was an American CIA ("Combined Intelligence Agency") agent.
I was just looking for someone to say this.
Will they do this with Tesla too?
Wdym? Tesla is literally the opposite. They just recently opened their entire charging network. They also recently released their 48 volt architecture design for every other company to use for free. Tesla wants the EV space to exceed.
Only problem I see with them is repairing cars. It’s hard for owners to do so, but they do allow plenty of third party company to do so if they get licensed from Tesla. Honestly that’s a good thing because 99% of Tesla owners have no clue how to work on their own cars and have none of the tools necessary to do so. Very different from ICE cars.
Maybe I missed something that the DOJ has to check. But Apple is a much bigger problem.
but doesnt the imessage thing no longer hold water since RCS support is coming this year?
Yes, in the next major iOS update.
didn't Apple just agree to implement RCS for messaging?
I used to be able to have just one computer for both my Windows and Mac needs but now I need to have separate devices because of corporate bureaucracy between Microsoft, Qualcomm, and Apple.
Solution ... Install Linux.
@@STONE69_ good luck playing games that use Anti cheat
@@wemelkuan LOL I'm an adult, stopped playing games years ago. I use a Computer to do my work, to make money.
@@STONE69_there’s going to be a rebuttal to your statement; something like “I make money to play games”
@@babypopgenius LOL I bet there will.
So if we buy a car will we be given the choice of buying another companies engine?
How is this an argument? Do car companies prevent you from replacing your tires with any brand you want? How about gas, oil, brakes, etc.
They're not being sued for not incorporating Snapdragon chips to the iPhone.
Kinda feels like it.
We won’t get good things as long as there are stupid people like you that go supporting trillion dollar companies which see you as nothing but money. And you are wrong btw, but yeah, that is a given.
@@Impheatussee Tesla cyber truck reselling.
No but your comparison is dumb because they aren't asking to replace the engine which would be the chip on a phone by comparison. They're asking to be able to add accessories to that car/ phone and have it work as it should naturally. What apple is doing is the equivalent of them saying nobody else's tires, windshield wipers and gas will work in our apple car. You must buy all of those things from us for it working properly.
Brings me back to Internet Explorer Day...
Not Only Type C Charger, They have to Change everything from A to Z
Frivolous lawsuit.
It’s a sad day when the US Justice doesn’t know what the term monopoly means.
Can anyone explain the blue/green bubbles? I don't get it. Oh, a proud Galaxy S series user.
Back in the day, texting was super limited. It's gotten a bit better but most companies came out with their own apps to add custom features without waiting for the ancient SMS specs to update. Things like Viber, Telegram, Skype, WhatsApp, WeChat, etc. all became ways for people to get around the limitations of texting and obviously the only way to use them was to have someone else on the same app as you. Apple went a different route and found creative workarounds and used tech that worked seamlessly alongside SMS to add many similar quality of life improvements and features to texting such as reactions, editing messages, stickers, texting money, playing games and more. But obviously this too only works if you're texting another iPhone user. So how do you know? Android users show up as green messages and iPhone users show up as blue messages.
If you're texting someone with a green text bubble it means you're limited to just what the SMS texting protocol allows. But if you see a blue bubble you're free to take advantage of all the extra features Apple has made to their texting app.
I totally agree about the iMessage vs text message bull crap !
Next thing you know people gonna be complaining they can’t put their Xbox disks in a ps5
It sounds like that could be next if this taken seriously.
Xbox disc is not a common accessory.. it is a written storage contains games that can only be played by xbox OS... however.. a smartwatch does not... even the chargers in xbox and ps5 controllers are common usb's... the hdmi cables are common too.. u dont need to buy xbox TV... also xbox is not priced double of ps5 for same performance
@@MaskedSandman an Xbox disc is a disc the same as a PS disk, it’s the software that makes the difference.
@@MaskedSandman a complain about Apple being more expensive it’s just something that works against the idea it is a monopoly… the high prices themselves are a reason some people choose Android or PC, Apple is ok with that when other companies would just lower the production costs and lower their prices. Customers just have the freedom to choose, in the end.
@@manart6506 the disk is purchased as a read only media for the game copy only... to avoid piracy, so it's not rewritable
How much is this costing the taxpayer?
1/100000 of keeping Israel
@@mycodingchannel9690😂😂😂
I would personally doll out some cash for this! 😂 It's about time Apple gets more pressure on this!
A tiny fraction of those corporate tax cuts righties got while raising the tax rates on average Americans
Yea I kinda feel what they mean , it really feels like you need a iPhone to be more relevant and more compatable with new technology
New technology? What new technology iphone have that Android doesnt have from ages, can you elaborate on that? Apple just intentionally blocks their devices and thus their users from digitally interacting with non-apple users. Android devices work with other devices seamlessly, but when non apple devices try to interact with apple devices, it doesn't work, because apple is blocking them. Imagine this, you as an apple user can't even seamlessly recive files from android user friend, (in one or two clicks without internet, at wifi speed) because apple is blocking you. And apple also sells old technologies to their users as new innovative.
1:00 and 1:20 Absolutely True.
This should have been done 10 years ago
Why? Apple doesn't deserve this.
@@dancruze Yeah, this is still too leneant. They deserve the real hammer: external appstores, with Apple having exactly zero influence over them whatsoever. No notorized applications, no 30% tax, no "security" checks, no nothing. Apple should not be allowed to know what applications even exist in the external stores. That is what Apple deserves.
@@adrianconstantin1132 there are benifits to closed source and open source platforms. What your saying is we shouldn't have that choice. And I couldn't disagree more.
The benefit of a closed source system is the manufacturer has more control over the device then the users, and can force users and developers to do things that are not fair to them.
@@adrianconstantin1132 open source does things that are not fair. Should everyone be sued?
I am more worried about the price of RAM upgrades than some competitor who might go bankrupt
I think the DOJ should be focusing on much more important things.
Isn't apple switching to RCS suppose yo help with texting between IOS and Andriod?
I don’t know - I have thoughts on this, but not too sure which side of the coin to argue for. Merits on both ends tbh
only reason I didn't switch to 15 was the crappy type law
No!
Yes!
@@thewatcherofawesomecontent No! Don’t buy anything Apple then.
@@tmn8547Don't breathe oxygen without subscribing to Oxygen+
You criminal!
It’s been years since I used Android but there was still a problem sending high quality video between androids even if sending under the size limit.
They have Apple Music on Android. There’s no reason why they can’t have iMessage on Android.
Because Apple Music is a paid service, whereas iMessage is not 😂
@@kapilprajapati6525 I have Google Messages on my iPhone your point is not valid. The reason its not is they stated in court that if they did it there would be nothing locking folks into the ecosystem. That came out during the Epic trial. Former employees told them years ago to do it.
@@kapilprajapati6525 Exactly
Actually, Apple is adopting GSMA-standard RCS starting with (probably) iOS 18.0. That right there ensures more compatibility with Android, but the question is will Google update their own RCS messaging to be fully-compliant with the GSMA standard?
@@Sacto1654 you have to understand that they could have adopted RCS from the get-go but they didn't, because their own messaging incentivises people to buy iPhone's.
Same with type-c, if not for EU they would have still be using lighting.
They trying to water down Apple. They need to put their energy into getting apple to put more accessories in the box.
Why is no one mentioning the gate around their software too? If you want to use MacOS, you need to buy a Mac or have a bunch of work arounds.
If I want to use a ChromeOS (Flex does not count), I either have to buy a chromebook or use a bunch of workarounds.
Its not just apple. Also, OpenCore is getting easier to install anyway so
💀💀💀💀💀green messages got Apple sued. What a joke
It also doesn't have modern standards when communicating with Android devices such as group text, high quality photos/videos, and e2ee encryption. This can create hostility towards Android users and diminishes the express experience for both Android and iPhone users. Apple also blames Android users despite them not putting in industry standards in their texting service.
Can we sue car companies for this too? It would be sweet if ford tesla or chevy couldnt force us to use their software.
Wasn't Tesla somewhat forced to open up their charging network 😅?
you are missing the point TOTALLY!...its more about not being forced to stick to certain essential services provided by only that company when there are options out there. not neccessarily the operating system
🤣
I feel that that may be dangerous. While phones are small devices in your pockets, Cars are massive machines that cause thousands of deaths a day. I dont want my car crashing because I installed a custom OS on it.
thats why you keep OS to radio only. nNo entertainment software no matter from what company should be running on the same hardware as whats controlling my brakes.
I don’t see what the problem is 🤷🏾♂️🤣
I find the it’s the android who says a video needs its resolution and size reduced in order to send it to an iPhone.
Apple is the one that doesn't support RCS. Their messaging system only works well with other Apple devices.
Regarding smartwatches, Samsung has applied the same restrictions. Going forward from Samsung Galaxy Watch 4, they can't be used on Apple devices.
i mean apple is also partly guilty for that not entirely samsung fault.
And that is and should always be Samsung’s right.
because they tried for a while to get apple to let it work well but they didn't want it at all. So why waste engineering effort coding software for your watch to work with a phone if you know that at the end of the day the experience its gonna be bad and therefore people will either not buy it or just claim your product doesn't work? It just brings a loss of money, resources, and reputation...
@@alexdaraujo so when Apple does it “bad”, but when Samsung does it “still Apple’s fault”😂😂. Samsung made the choice, just like every other company does.
@@jamarplunkett3283 sorry man, I didn't know you couldn't understand such simple statement, again I'm very sorry for disturbing your mind.
Doesn’t Android and Google have the same concept of keeping people on their ecosystems? Isn’t Android have more of the market than Apple. This is just dumb.
Worldwide, yes. In the US, however, Apple is a supermajority player in the market at 75% (and climbing) market share and the strangle that Apple has in the market is clear.
Apparently no... Apple is the only one who keeps people on their ecosystem... Xiaomi users can use Samsung earbuds or pixel watch, lenovo laptop, or any cross-platform combination without any issue, but apple can only works with other apple product... Iphone cannot connect with windows or any other product except apple, even the messaging app... That's the issue...
@@AndreasGerhard1not true. My Apple phone can work with any earbud. Samsung to any other android device like a watch is logical.
@@PcruProducer Not to the point you can maximize the full capabilities of the earbuds... Even samsung smartthings on iphone can only be used to connect the older version of samsung galaxy earbuds, but you can't use it on the newer one...
@@AndreasGerhard1 maximize capabilities is not what’s at question. It’s saying “only works with Apple product”. Which is false. It doesn’t carry all the features but it does work. Android isn’t owned by Samsung, Xiaomi etc. it’s a good thing so “pixel” will have features the others won’t. (Like bloatware) Apple is a software company that makes their own hardware. I see this lawsuit getting thrown out.
Great informative video - background music first two minutes was a distraction
Case will be dismissed, you can’t force companies to come down to the level of a competitor
All of Apple's competitors have apps and services that are compatible across brands, software that is easy to develop for and modify, and hardware that can be repaired by third parties at low costs. On the other hand if you buy an Apple product then you are forced to continue buying Apple products to maintain compatibility, use Apple apps to maintain functionality, and go to Apple shops for overpriced repairs. Apple would not be stooping down to anybody's level, they'd be rising up to the level already expected by everyone not being cucked by Apple.
@@moldypotato4656 most popular apps are available on android as well, you aren’t forced to do anything. We as customers decide what we want and what works best. And for many Apple products seem to work flawlessly compared to android. From gaming to editing software it’s just soo much cleaner and simpler. On my many levels. I have gone back and fourth enough times to just stay with Apple now, even my DJ software works much better on my iPad Pro than my buddies galaxy tab. It’s almost a joke
Like I commented on a similar video earlier, no one is forced to buy and use Apple products. If there's something about the way that Apple does things (and I certainly don't agree with a lot of what they do), switch to something else. This is a free market, after all. I can't stand that Apple charges so much for a simple RAM upgrade, but the choice to pay it when I bought my Mac Mini was still mine. It's funny how it's the most successful companies that the government tends to go after. But I guess the DOJ doesn't have anything better to do at the moment, so why not try to get some extra cash from a multi-trillion dollar company? Apple won't notice the loss of a couple billion dollars.
God forbid the government do something useful like putting a stop to the price gouging going on at the grocery store. If they want to go after big corporations that would certainly do more good than going after Apple.
Well said 👏
You haven't watched any of the videos or the law suit? the whole point is that you ARE forced to buy it, using a variety of techniques (walled garden, social norms, quality reduction, incompatibility with other products/phones)...That is literally the whole point of this. They use all tactics to make sure that you are an outcast if you don't have it, and with the amount of market share they have they can do it. Even charging so much for a RAM upgrade, if other tech companies could offer that service the price would be lower benefiting you the consumer. I cannot understand why anyone with any sense would defend a Big Company monopoly
@@CrimsonPhoenix15because the wall garden is a good thing. All apple products is the best if not all the most of product segments. So it is more of a choice. Every company has its own ecosystem, and apple users chooses apple ecosystem.
In the wall garden, users feel more secure and has sense of PRIVACY. And most users want to keep it that way.
Before there was an issue of COMPUTER VIRUS. And the best thing to avoid computer virus is to buy macbook. The less that apple is OPEN, the better the security.
iPhones and Macs receives updates FASTER and for longer years, but cannot be the same with androids and windows. So… uhm. Thats the “wall” that apple made.
@@pakkoignacio1424 "All apple products is the best" - no, its just your only option not the best. I figured out the reason people like you argue for them is because apple is all you know. Its the whole frog in a well analogy, and Apple knows this thats why they can trickle feed you features and innovations and then you act like its the greatest thing when its been out for 10 years.
In the walled garden they have a sense of privacy compared to what? I have both the iphone 14 and samsung note 20 even with the iphone as my main phone they offer me the same privacy.
Faster and longer updates compared to what? Google pixel offers faster and longer updates, Samsung is slower but just as long updates? You speak as though android is 1 device/company. What windows product are you comparing it to? again hundreds of devices. MAC is outright better for design, while Windows is outright better for gaming. The rest you can make an argument for either and is preference.
Virus? you're really going back 10 years ago, its not a thing anymore. Yes there was a time MAC was the safest but now thats just a standard. It had nothing to do with their walled garden but their software which was ahead of its time.
I can't comprehend how anyone with a little bit of brain cells can think a monopoly is great. Apple benefited from microsoft losing their monopoly and then turned around and did the same thing now people praise it? The only advantage the walled garden provides is seamless transitions of their products. Which if their products are truly better won't effect them. If they allowed other smart watches to integrate with iphone properly instead of restricting features like they do right now and their product (iwatch) was the best for users then it would remain the best. Stopping other companies like garmin from even trying is the main issue and if you don't see that, then you aren't smart enough for me to respond to again.