GREENVILLE, SC: Why is everyone moving here?!
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- Join Kurt & Sara as we travel an hour and a half south of Asheville, NC to the beautiful city of Greenville, South Carolina! We happen to visit during the Fall for Greenville festival, and get to enjoy the fun street fair while exploring downtown Greenville, SC. While we visit different shops and restaurants and walk to the very cool Falls Park on the Reedy just off the main street, we discuss some of the main reasons why people are moving to Greenville, SC. Sara faces her fear of heights while traversing the amazing bridge that spans the river and waterfall. All this and more, right in downtown Greenville, South Carolina!
I've lived in the Greenville area my whole life and love it! I am NOT one of these rude people that tell others not to move here. The more people that can enjoy this area, the better! This is a very beautiful area and for the most part the people are great! You guys did a great job with this video!
Thanks so much Brian for the nice complement and comment! Always nice to hear from a local, especially the nice one, lol. Thanks for watching and enjoy Greenville!!
Greenville is beautiful and we have been here 3 years and like it very much. Every time I see a video about how great Greenville is, a small minority will always chime in to say Yankees go home or some such. However, nobody minds all the jobs and cash for beautification and development all these new people and companies bring in. Most are companies coming in from the north or Europe or Asia, etc. I haven't met a single person in three years who hasn't been kind to us or happy with the transformed economy and development in the area. Everyone we have met has been welcoming and represents southern hospitality for sure. We have an excellent mayor and council who work hard to help Greenville grow in a beautiful, planned way. I have a theory that most people who opt to move to the south are looking for the laid back, open, friendly southern atmosphere so they fit in just fine just as a southerner who wants to move to NYC wants that lifestyle for themselves. Thanks for this great video. All the bst.
Thanks so much for the wonderful, thoughtful comment, Ellie. It's so good to get an inside perspective on the areas we visit and its so nice to hear about all the good things going on in Greenville. We totally agree that most people who move to the south aren't looking to change things but want to live with all the nice people and have that friendly, open living experience. That's why we did it, lol.
Enjoy that beautiful city you live in and thank you so much for watching our video, we really appreciate it!
All the best to you as well!
Can you tell what area in Greenville, SC that is affordable and low crime? It's a landlords market here in Florida. Have to get out of Florida as I'm not going to make it here. Thx. Seven year wait for low income one bedroom Apts. Lots of waiting lists. Can't believe it.
Hello guys! I am happy to say that I was born here, in Greenville SC. They have put a lot of focus in the downtown area ans it's beautiful year round. Yes, we get snow, no, not as much as our Northern neighbors. We actually do have 4 seasons, no hurricane worries, the occasional tornado (with bad weather), a few hrs from the beach, an hour from the mountains (Paris Mountain, Ceasars head, not too much further to the Blueridge mountains.) There is a great job market here and I am constantly seeing new places to live... houses, townhouses, apartments and condos, even tiny home communities.
Can you share the names of the beaches that are close by and are they blue water beaches?
Hi, Angela!! Thanks for all the great info!! Its always great to get a local's perspective on the places we visit. We had such a nice time on our visit to your city and plan on coming back soon. What are some of your favorite things to do in Greenville? Also, good to hear there are so many places to live, we'd love to live in a tiny home some day. Thanks for the great comment and also for checking out our video. We really appreciate it!!
I know that Charleston SC isn't to far away and it has very nice beaches. Can't remember how blue the water was however, lol! We think it was turquoise green...
Thanks for watching and take care.
@@KurtandSara thank you
Moved here in Jan 2020, bar none, the best small city in the entire South. And it’s just getting better. The mayor and planning commission are continually adding new things that smart moves. Real Estate isn’t cheap though. Greenville is one of the hottest markets in the country and deservedly so. But downtown real estate is every bit CA pricing. Good thing is you can live 10 minutes out for decent pricing. But make your move soon.
In all honesty, NC is a prettier state overall, but Greenville is the best city in the Carolinas and doesn’t take long to get to NC. Check out Vault and Valor!
Thanks for the wonderful, insightful comment. It's great to hear about all the positive things that are going on in Greenville and it really shows when you visit! We are planning on visiting again and will check out Vault and Valor for sure. Thanks for the tip!!
First time seeing your channel. MAJOR props on crossing the bridge Sarah. Well done!
Thank you very much, Glenn! That bridge can be pretty intense!!! Thanks for watching.
Greenville has so many beautiful communities. Great vid. I've lived here most of my life ❤️. So glad that folks like y'all can finally visit and enjoy this Great city.
That is great! Yes, we've loved visiting Greenville, it's so nice there. Thanks so much for watching and for you nice comment!
If the bridge was lined with a bunch of cute doggies, it would be much easier for Sara to cross! Great job Sara!!!
OMG, Jenny, yeah, that would make it so much easier! That cute doggie snapped me out of my fear for sure! LOL
Sara you cracked me up on the bridge. Great video thanks!
Haha, I'm so bad about heights! So glad you liked the video, thanks for watching!
You guys are nice. I love the rushing water....river, what is it called? Oh, wow, that was a high bridge, now you are making me afraid too! Lol 😄Thanks for the great video, I like it. " A healthy slurpee", I love it. I love old architecture and find them so charming to be around. Looks like a positive city to live in.
Thanks for sharing and for overcoming your fear of crossing the bridge twice. My husband and I are contemplating moving to Upstate SC from IL. Still not sure where but this video helped capture some really nice spots. 👍
Haha, it was scary but worth it, lol. We're glad you found our video helpful, Connie. We have another video about fun things to do in Greenville if you are interested which shows some more of the area. Best of luck with your move and thanks very much for watching!
Hey y’all! I love your videos, so I subscribed. We used to live in Greenville (well, more accurately, Travelers Rest). We absolutely loved everything about it. The location between Atlanta and Charlotte! The proximity to the mountains! Coffee Underground! Soby’s! Falls Park and the Liberty Bridge! Greenville Drive games at Fluor Field! Fall for Greenville! Artisphere! The Swamp Rabbit Trail! Falls Park on the Reedy River! Cleveland Park and the Greenville Zoo! Downtown! Mast General Store and O.P. Taylor’s Toys! We moved away in 2009 due to a layoff and spent a few years in Charleston. We now live in Denver, Colorado…but we’re planning to visit Greenville again in September, so we’re watching some videos to see how things have changed (and how they haven’t). We’re actually now talking about moving back. We’ll see how things go! Thanks for the great videos!
Appreciate you guys for making and editing the videos. Subscription granted. Good editing btw. Peace and prosperity.
Thanks so much for the subscription, Kevin, we really appreciate it! Peace and prosperity to you too and thanks so much for watching. Have a good one.
Bought a place in Greer, short hop to Greenville! Settle end of January. Love Greenville!
We hope your move went smoothly and you're having fun in Greenville!
Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
Take care
Greenville is awesome! That main drag has so many cool little shops! I didn’t get to try Sweetberry when I was there tho, will have to stop by next time I go!
Yeah, we loved walking around and seeing it all! Such a cool place! Thanks for watching, Parker!!
Good. Ill go by my husband
I don’t think they are there anymore :(
this place was on our list of possible retirement areas. Loved the river thru town!
Awesome! Yeah, the river is so cool! Thanks Susan!
I’m from there but have been in Maine since 1999. My plan is to live In Greenville from Nov-May then back to Maine. Taking a bicycle trip on the trail that goes through the park is recommended.
We love Maine! We always talk about living in Maine for the warm months and Florida for the cold ones, lol! We will defiantly look into taking that bike ride. Thanks for watching our video, we really appreciate it! Take care
One of the great things about downtown is that all of the parks are linked together by the Swamp Rabbit Trail and the Riverwalk is included in that as well. The only exception to that is the McPherson Park which is on the other end of Main Street
Thanks for the great tip, Tony! We are planning another visit to Greenville soon and will be sure to check out Swamp Rabbit Trail. With a name like that how could we not check it out, lol! Thanks so much for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it. Take care
Moving to Easley in 3 weeks. Can’t wait!
Fantastic, we hope your move went well!
Sara you are so pretty. Loved the video you both did. 🥰
Thanks so much for the wonderful compliment, Shalonda! We are so happy you enjoyed our video and took the time to write this nice comment. We really appreciate it!! Have a great day!
Nice, guys. My wife and I drove in from Asheville and took back roads into Greenville. It wasn't so great. But, we were shocked at the downtown how neat it was. The park especially. (Ken and Gina)
Why wasn't it great? 😕
Thanks Ken and Gina! Yeah, some of the area outside isn't so nice, but the downtown is cool! Glad you got to explore the area!
Yeah, the only problem was we got lost. 🥴
All of yall are crazy lol. Greenville is Beautiful and amazing EVERYWHERE :)
You’re right about that. The ONLY thing nice about Greenville is the DOWNTOWN. The rest is garbage. Traffic in certain areas now is WORSE than Atlanta, definitely worse than San Antonio Texas. They don’t know how to plan down here and it’ll be garbage soon enough.
Here in Harrisburg we are promoting the Next Great migration, a return to the south of the folks that moved to Harrisburg in the 1920's and 30's from SC and other points south, that make Harrisburg and a lot of other cities what they are today. Greenville definitely is on our list of destinations. Thank you for the video we will be sure it gets some action here in Harrisburg, oh our population in the greater Metro (Harrisburg) area is 1.2 million.
Thanks so much for watching, George, we really appreciate it! Sounds interesting what you are up to. Always fun to learn about the migrations of people around this beautiful country of ours. Good luck with your project and have a great day!
Me and wife so enthusiastic of retirement time and thinking of moving here. Thank you so much for this video guys. God bless
Thank you so much for watching our video, Carlos!! God bless you also and good luck finding a perfect retirement home for you and your wife!!
Appreciate that wonderful reply. Hope you guys are well!
Kurt you are so funny....referring to Sweetberries..."it's like a really healthy slurpie". 😆😅🤣
Haha, thanks so much, Shalonda! I'm always on the lookout for a healthy slurpie alternative, lol! Thanks again for watching the video and making all these nice comments. You've really brightened our day!! Take care
Good job on that bridge!
Great weather!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it!
Walk down the Swamp Rabbit trail from downtown to the Swamp Rabbit Cafe (or rent a bike). Also, go to Caesar's head and take in that incredible view. Additionally, there are half a dozen great rooftop bars in downtown to check out (SIP, Ink-n-Ivy, Juniper, and Up on the Roof to name a few).
Thanks so much for the tips, Jim, we really appreciate them! Swamp Rabbit Cafe sounds like a place that needs to be in our next Greenville video, lol. Thanks for watching the video and commenting! Take care
I grew up in Greenville in the mid to late 1970’s. Greenville was transitioning from being the self proclaimed “Textile Capital of the World” to the high tech and manufacturing economy it enjoys today. When I lived there there wasn’t much reason to go downtown unless you were going to shop at the JC Penny that was on Main Street where all those restaurants and activities were going on. Or you went downtown to go to a concert or the circus at the old Memorial Coliseum. We had not clue there was a waterfall downtown because it was hidden by a viaduct for the road that brought you into downtown. I guess those beautiful trees along Main Street were just being planted today. Fast forward to today and Greenville has completely reinvented itself. It is a destination and a great place to live. I have told my wife that I would be willing to retire there as long as we lived somewhere within walking distance of downtown and not out in the suburbs.
A couple of other places that I like to recommend is to go out to Furman University and walk one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen. It is just across from Paris Mountain. Also the Swamp Rabbit Trail which you were walking in for a bit is a 20+ mile trial that runs from Travelers Rest through the Furman Campus and downtown to a good ways southeast of Town. You can hike or ride bikes. The last time I was there I took my son to the zoo at Cleveland Park and then we took the trailer to walk the mile or two to the Falls Park. It goes by the Augusta Road area which has some classic Beautiful early 20th century homes. It reminds me of Buckhead or the Piedmont Park area of
Atlanta. At least as far as the homes and architecture. I love Greenville!
Hey, Steve, thanks so much for all the great info and taking the time to write such a nice, detailed comment! We love hearing first hand stories about the history of the places we visit. Interesting to hear that they had that waterfall in downtown covered up at one point!
Also thanks for all the great tips on places to see in the area. We are planning another visit soon and we'll be sure to check out some of your suggestions! We especially like the sound of Swamp Rabbit Trail and seeing some of the Classic homes on Augusta Road. Thanks again and thanks so much for watching!
Take care
Thank you so much ch
I walk downtown during my lunch breaks. I thought I'd be brave and walk across the bridge one day and it just so happened the Harlem Globe Trotters were in town. They were on the bridge jumping and bouncing basketballs. Looking back I wish I had taken pictures but I was so scared of the bridge that I felt I was about to pass out! Now I just make the most of walking in the park but never the bridge!
Oh no, Mandy, I can't even imagine what that must have been like! Sara would have passed out for sure...
Good job surviving that nightmare, lol!
Thanks for watching and sharing such a great memory!!
Take care
Hope you both are doing well. We still dream of living there ❤❤❤
Ha-ha, I'm trying to help out your wish. Liked and watched all video. 👍🙂
Haha! Thank you so much!!! :) And thank you for your comment!
Just moved to Greenville!! Love it!!!
I’m not a Yankee... I’m from Commiefornia!
We're so glad that you're enjoying Greenville, Paula!
Hi Kurt and Sara. Some good places to eat in Greenville are Thai Vegan (our favorite), The Pita House, Swamp Rabbit Cafe, Trubroth Vietnamese, The Farm Fresh and We got the Beets.
Thanks so much "Cat" for the suggestions. We were addicted to Thai food this summer so Thai Vegan sounds amazing. We'll have to try it out!
Actually there at one time at the water was a neat power plant by the way the water ran over. You looked at the tallest brick building was the old Poinsett Hotel in 1970 I moved from Florida. We stayed in the only room left the top presidential suite. I look out the window next door was the old city police I'd watch them go in and out all day. Now you have to look up Table Rock State park then take the curvy road to Brevard. You really need to get used to windy roads and high climbing. Enjoy our Great State.
Thanks so much, we really love it here and it feels like home already! Thanks so much for watching our video and leaving such a nice comment. Take care!
Don't be too hard on yourself when it comes to fears and fobias can't spell it.(😆) we all have our fear in life. Love your videos.
Oh, wow, how gorgeous! What park or part of the city is this bridge?? Please tell me is this in South Carolina or North Carolina?
You guys were fun.
Thanks so much for the very nice comment! We really appreciate it and are happy you enjoyed the video!!
Dreaming of moving there! Southern charm, mountains, all 4 seasons, beautiful scenery, conservative values! I can't wait to be an ex-Oregonian! 😆
Eventually I hope to be an ex Seattleite and have the same excitement for this town as you do. I'm originally from NC tho so I've missed my southerners for sure.
@@chenanigans Good for you!
@@chrisp.c2065 that is incredibly rude.
@@chrisp.c2065 maybe I don’t want to there if people are like that. Wow.
And I promise that you'd be welcome here. Some of our best and proudest citizens are those that have come from leftist states. You will fit right in.
Nice culture, nice downtown the Twin Peaks is rocking on a Friday night when I came back from Atlanta percent location lol between Charlotte and Atlanta
Thats what make Greenville a nice city it sits between Charlotte and Atlanta
@@jerrydavis3548 Hey its the shit nice weather and it's loaded you go to a Twin Peaks on a Friday night and it's packed the traffic is horrible because it's on the road between hot Lanta and Charlotte
@@jerrydavis3548 Not only that but your near the greatest school on earth, the culture is great and there's a lot of history, downtown is lit and a lot to do
Totally agree, the culture and downtown are fantastic! Thanks for commenting and watching. We really appreciate it!
Yes, Jerry, Greenville is in such a great location! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
If you're into hiking, the Foothills Trail is not too far away from Greenville. It has many waterfalls: th-cam.com/video/AjXeN6d4W9s/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for the tip, we'll defiantly check it out! We love Waterfalls!! Thanks for watching our video as well, have a good one.
Great content. What is your favorite city so far in NC?
Thank you so much! I think we both like the small towns the best sofar. Maybe Brevard since it's also so close to Pisgah National Forest, so easy access to the nature right near the cute town.
Murphy NC.
I think the biggest problem with living in Greenville is that the cars sold by the dealers don’t come equipped with turning signals.
I hate it when car dealers do that, Phil!
Yea thy sell them like that in Florida too.
Best part about Greenville is you don’t need to buy any plates you can eat your meal off the clean grounds whenever you want and probably wouldn’t even get sick from it 😂
I see you posted this in mid Oct. 2021. Can you tell me the dates you were there so I can check out that festival? Thanks.
Looks the the Fall for Greenville festival will be October 14th - 16th this year. Should be a fun time!
@@KurtandSara Thank you!
Moved here from Chicago long time ago and I havent left. Nice video. There is a bike/hiking trail from downtown Greenville to Travelers Rest. Furman Campus lake is a must see. I go there to relax. Paris mountain is a good hiking place. Blind Horse Saloon is a line dancing country bar you need go on Friday and Saturday.
Been there twice checking it out, and considering buying property there to get myself out of Chicago. Will be in town in March looking again. Seems like a nice combination of not too small of a city with plenty of open spaces.
Thanks so much, we are so happy you liked the video and thanks so much for all the tips. We are planning another trip to Greenville and we'll be sure to include some of your suggestions in our next video!
Good to hear you like the area and are happy with your decision to more there.
Thanks again for watching!
Take care
We hope you had a nice trip!
Thanks for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it!
Take care
They just opened Unity park 61 acres of downtown park area with senior living area, Check out the Peace center
Also another park with a zoo, and the Billow Center , we also have a international airport
You might see Kevin Costner in town we
We have BMW automobile manufacturing here
Music on main street on Thursdays
Sounds awesome, Kevin, thanks for the tips. We will be on the look out for Costner for sure!! Have a good one and thanks for watching!
You need more subs!
Thanks so much, Breanna, that's so sweet of you to say! We really appreciate it! And we appreciate you being here!!
You guys are also entertaining haha
Let it be as Gabbie said.
Thank you so much, we really appreciate it, lol! Thanks for all the nice comments, Carlos!!
While living here my whole life the only real problem ive genuinely seen is the buses and the lack of general quality surrounding them
Nice
Thanks so much for watching!!
Is Greenville, SC, Knoxville/Maryville, TN. Johnson City, TN better place to live and work?
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Greenville SC, Knoxville TN, Johnson City TN in that order.
@@dadejavusc why? I have been to Greenvill. Downtown is cool... but way over priced. For that kind of money I would go somewhere better!
@@joemayton5560 where would you go that is better?
@@nellybelly623 there are a lot of other cities. I liked Greenville a lot. Just saying, it was over priced for a small town.
I want to move to Greenville, SC. I compared cities on Sterling's best places.net and the crime rate was higher than the national average.
We don't know much about the crime rate, Gypsy, sorry we can't be of more help. We go on our adventures in the day time, lol!
Please consider the fact that most crime in Greenville is targeted crime, not random crime. So if you get assaulted or murdered in Greenville it's likely someone was really angry with you vs. you being some random victim or a casualty of a drive-by shooting. Be nice and sensible, and you won't experience crime.
Reedy Park on the Falls
Thanks so much for the comment!
Didn’t you live in Asheville, NC???
We still do but Greenville is a short drive away.
I live here in GVL. And it’s great! Drivers suck though! But having an electric car & bike help a TON and living downtown rather than the BURBS lol
We'd love to live in downtown! Glad you're having such a nice time there and enjoy where you live. We are planning to come back very soon for another visit. Thanks for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it!
Im outta of Wisconsin in 4 years......definitly Greenville.....check out the Camperdown area because lots of new building going on, though much of it is residential so it could just be a video about architecture
That's awesome! Oh, I think we might have walked through that area a bit, right by the river, right? Very cool area - we barely got a chance to look around there, but want to when we go back next time. Thanks for the recommendation!!
I used to live in Wisconsin, I miss the snow
@@ilikedogsandstuff you can have ours (Northern Minnesota), we just received several feet and bitter below windchill. I can't wait to move south, don't know exactly what area yet as I'm still researching but somewhere warmer.
@@J.L.Nelson you better believe I’m coming for that snow lol
This is 2021 ?
Yes, Maru, we were there last Fall.
I Moved to Greenville SC because I went to Bob Jones University and I Love Greenville and Bob Jones
Sounds like you're living your best life!
Thanks for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it!
I think it's a great and beautiful place and the people are friendly but I don't see color people there Is it a closed place.? There are also beautiful forests, but sometimes there are some bears and big cats..
Go to Atlanta.
Just do a quick Wikipedia search the area is decently diverse and will be getting more so as people discover greenville/Spartanburg from bigger cities and as jobs bring people in from various places. it's similar to Raleigh/Durham circa 1990 which is now a perfect area with generally smart planning also and has diversified big-time
All people have color. In America there is no closed place.
Thanks for the helpful comment, Travious!
Yes, Ibrahim, the forests can have bears and other wildlife so be careful but also have fun! I also found Tavious Williams's comment to be very helpful in terms of diversification so you can check his comment out for that info. Thanks for commenting and have a great day!
Show us route on map that help us 💕
You don't wanna move here greenville sucks and over populated lol. But in all seriousness we love Greenville. Born and raised here 37 years.
Haha, Glad to hear that you like Greenville, you've got a beautiful city there!
Thanks for watching and commenting, we really appreciate it!
Take care
The area is like a hallmark card. I decided to move to that area of the country.
I spent about 37 yrs working downtown. Seen alot of changes. Havent been there in years. Dont miss it. What it has become is not for me.
What changed? We are looking for a conservative town to raise our kids.
Ha ha your not missing anything sir.
Thanks for the input and for watching our video, sorry it wasn't the right place for you. Take care
@@nellybelly623 Everyone knows Greenville is little Chicago. Crime and housing is skyrocketing. Natives are being driven out of their own home!
Looks upscale compared to manitowoc
They could film the new Power Rangers here truth be told perfect setting for Angel Grove
I don't think everyone is moving there. Your making the locals panic.
Lmaooooo.
Well, maybe not everyone but people are talking, lol!
Frank looper
Please stop moving here. The place was awesome prior to the large swaths of newcomers. Now it's just any ole city anywhere with chains upon chains for your shopping convenience. I miss the old Greenville.
Sorry man, maybe there's a silver lining in there somewhere for you. Take care
So true! Too much growth,new subdivision and apartment complexes are popping up like mushrooms overnight!
If you think your typical city or town in the USA looks like Greenville, you must not have seen very many towns. The newcomers moving to Greenville are generally educated and/or skilled and are contributing to the area's economy and that's why the city can afford to keep up with its landscaping and beautification, and why there are so many restaurants that can stay open. If the city was quieter and less busy, there would be vacant retail spaces and then the city would look half-dead like most other cities in the USA. Hopefully, Greenville will continue to increase the population density of the city's core, as it is much more environmentally friendly and sustainable to have densely packed city-dwellers walking and biking to work than for everyone to be living out in the suburbs and being reliant upon their vehicle for everything. And of course, the more densely packed the population, the more possible it is for Greenville to keep its parks and forests natural and not turn these beautiful areas into unsightly suburban sprawl and subdivisions which is the blight across our entire country.
As much as I want to watch this, I can't. Too much background noise. Consider getting a good Plantronics or equivalent bluetooth mic for clips you are speaking to your audience.
Thanks for the info we'll look into it
Greenville has been ruined by outsiders. People tend to be more aggressive here then ever. Definitely losing its southern charmer because of outsiders. Yes I will be the one to say it. Left and never looking back.
Sorry to hear that, Ali.
In general, people in the USA have become more angry and frustrated and are less pleasant and easygoing than they used to be. This trend is across the entire country and is not isolated to Greenville. I see this all over the USA no matter where I travel....... except when I go to Carmel-by-the-Sea in California. But then again, the residents in that area have so much wealth that they are not plagued with financial difficulties.
PLEASE STOP MOVING HERE
One word: cringeville
Why not be specific so your comment has meaning and purpose, instead of its being a snide remark?
Boring and people are snobs but please stay there New Yorkers stop coming to Florida lol
Yes, people are on the move these days! Thanks for commenting!!
If you are bored in Greenville, then you are seriously lacking in hobbies and interests and expect a city to "entertain" you. If you want entertainment and excitement move to the 'hood in Detroit. I guarantee you won't be bored. It will be a thrilling experience.
Very nice video, but Sara does not need to worry about high bridges at all. Instead, the fear should be falling off of low bridges and from low heights. Falls from low heights, 10', 20' or 30' feet, are what leave you in great pain and with the potential for long-lasting injuries that you have to suffer with for years. Falls from greater heights provide a painless immediate transition from being alive to being dead with no suffering at all. That's why I am a lot more fearful of falling off the roof of my house than falling off the Empire State Building. Just something to consider.