Porsche 968 Club Sport (1994) - track weapon or old duffer?
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- Porsche 968 Club Sport - is it the ultimate track weapon?
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Is the Porsche 968 Club Sport really as good as everyone says?
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I raced one of these for 15 years, up until an unfortunate accident on the last lap of a race at Sonoma Raceway in 2018. It was a terrifically balanced and reliable car that took me to quite a few first in class wins, and I do miss it. But I now currently own a GT4, and it’s in another league entirely.
You still got the GT4 ?
Underrated cars these and the 944s,since the 911 gets all the love.
I have a 1994 968CS and a 1977 911S. I bought the CS to try and flip it and make some money on it. However, I didn't expect it to be such a great car and I cannot bring myself to let it go. It's nearly two decades younger than my 911 but it feels like a rocket ship compared to that. We've used it for some very long weekends away and it's comfortably, eats up the miles, has loads of room for luggage and camping gear and has sublime handling. The lack of power and acceleration compared to modern cars does not bother me in the slightest. I get more pleasure and satisfaction out of driving an older car closer to its (and my) limits than not getting anywhere near the limits of a modern quicker car. Try one again on better roads in better weather and you may have a better opinion of it. Good video btw. Cheers.
The 968 is amazing. Fast (enough for sure) handles superbly, fuel efficient, 2 adults and 2 kids in the coupe. Mine has LSD and no sunroof which I think is a good thing and looks better than the 944 in my opinion (and built at porsche)
No, 944 turbo looks better)
I love my 968 (non CS). And he is agile and let also some powerfuler Cars behind them. I don´t agree that its not a good sportscar. It is a good sportscar. And much underrated.
And you cant compare a 968 with a 992 GT3 or a GT4. Between there are 30 Years and in the price a great difference! Its stupid to make such a comparison (sorry).
I've owned a 94 968 for several years and absolutely love it. I think you have to understand what Porsche was trying to accomplish with the 968 CS....the Japanese competitors were less costly and had as much if not more power. The CS was an exercise in reducing weight by shedding luxury items while reducing costs to make the 968 more competitive in the market. There wasn't much thought of developing more power because the 968 was already expected to be replaced by the Boxster in 95-96. What the 968 did have as standard was the M030 sport suspension. I am surprised that the example you drove did not have the limited slip. I think in better weather on a track your opinion of the 968 would have been more favorable. It is not a torque monster but rather a mostly analog, well balanced sport coupe.
As a result of the overall scarcity of 968s and especially the low production of CS models, they are now quite collectible. But just like any car of that age, they will not compare to the power new cars produce through advances in technology. They are however, phenomenal in their balance and handling. Mine is a regular 968 with the limited slip and I absolutely enjoy driving it and plan to keep it along side my 1988 Carrera.
Thanks for the coverage as these great cars deserve attention.
Hi Rob,
I totally get all that, for me though, even bearing all that in mind, I was a bit disappointed in the experience. I had hoped to be seduced by the 968 because I've thought about getting one for years, but this has now successfully cured me of that. Of course we drove it in the drive as well as the wet on-screen, but for me, the magic didn't come.
I own a 93 968 coupe. I have been slowly restoring it. Getting it to M060 standers. Your right not that quick compared to modern cars. Once rolling it pulls well for a 4 cyl. Handling even W/O M060 is very balanced and predictable. It comes alive at 4000-4400 rpm. ViroCam It wants to be pushed. Its almost the feeling of a small turbo that has spooled up. If you keep it in the higher rev range it turns into another car. I hope you guys get a chance to get another to push in better conditions. Its a drivers car.
yup these guys have no idea.
Yes I’m a 968 coupe owner, and always bemused by the CS variant being reviewed as ‘the one to own’ , and indeed the prices that sellers ‘demand’ for them. They’re now ‘old’ cars so any ‘advantage’ the CS had , better/lower suspension etc is tosh.... mine has all updated adjustable 2019 suspension with all fresh rubbers/mounts, but with all the toys on board too!, No sunroof though, but full climate control makes up for that... if I put CS script down the sides, I’d get more ££$$ from the muppets who believed the CS hype.....Naw, I’ll keep it, it’s value is slowly rising....
@@GBOAF216 hold on to it because prices only goes up and remember now going forward all electric cars. I own 1987 928s4 and 1987 944S and these are at 50k miles mint cars. i love them and care of them. the prices are keep going up and will go up even more in to 5 years and 10 years due to electric cars so hold on tight man. Now i am looking for a clean 968 w nice color to add to my collection. The funny thing is that these guys have no clue how to drive these cars oh well. lol
@@SAMMYJR00777 Agreed - I'd say just about ANY car would come across as underwhelming driven in those conditions. They need to revisit the 968 in good weather on a race track and I bet the results would be far more favorable. The 968 is kind of a lug around town, but at speed it is brilliant.
The host of number 27 drove the 968 twice. first time he had the same option as the Car Guys. He kept an open mind and drove it again a second time, but much harder as suggested by comments from the first video. That changed his opinion, 180 degrees. It a completely different animal if you drive it with courage.
I have a 968CS with the full M030 pack and LSD and the handling, specifically the balance of the car is the strongest point of this car. It has the colour coded bucket seats which are pretty snug. I drove mine at the Porsche silverstone experience centre and the low friction track was fantastic in this car. I bought mine in 2008 and have still got it and it’s still under 100,000 on the clock. Mine is white with white wheels and bucket seats. Good review, but think you really do need to have a go on a track or a dry road.
yup they have no idea. these cars needs to be driven hard at 4000 area and above to feel the power and they just did not even drive it.
sit on your car they are only going up in values. especially in 5 years or after they will double the prices from here on out bec of all the electric cars.
not sure you need a dry road. Just need more time in the car to gain some courage. They handle awesome in the rain as well.
Beautiful and well engineered cars.
I have a 944S2 and a 997.1CS but find myself enjoying the 944 more. Maybe it’s the fact it is lower BHP and you can ‘drive’ it more.
As the old saying goes, it's better to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow.
I was just thinking, I'd like to see a good video on a 968.. Open TH-cam and there she is.. Its like you read my mind 😂
James Healey Thanks, James
As others have said, the car needs to be driven to extract the full effect and you’re never going to achieve that following a camera car in biblical conditions. Try it on a wiggly track before dismissing it. And with the LSD and bucket seats. Remember it is 25+ years old with genes heading far further back. It will certainly embarrass most of its rear engined brethren of the same era point to point and Quite a few of those many years more recent. I exclude properly sorted RS variants of course. But you are right that the chassis could handle a ton more power, as evidenced by the rare Turbo S and super rare Turbo RS models. Some have gone down the supercharged route to up power to 350 and more but generally at the risk of reliability. No apologies for coming across as a fanboy; I am. After 13 yrs I’d still retain the CS over the GT4, if that counts for anything if push came to shove! But of course, each to their own and thanks for making the video.
Wow as another 968 owner I’m impressed by your comments 👍
Thanks lads another enjoyable video!! 👍
Can we see some content on Jason and your old 911s please?!
Stay cool 😎 🤜
It's a car which only comes alive when you actually rag the arse out of it - preferably on track. As an actual road car it can only really be judged on the standards of its class of 25 years ago - which is why in 2019 its performance and overall zest appear to be lacking compared to more modern performance machinery . It has to be remembered that the 924 platform was already 2 decades old by this time.
A late model manual 928gt might be a more exciting front engined Porker to try - if you can find one! 👍
byronmills Now you’re talking 👍😀
Great video. How can you not love an old Porsche?
Wasn’t sure I wanted to watch this, as I’ve always loved the 968 - glad I did 👍. Thanks guys.
Thanks, Jim. I’ve always loved the 968 too
I had one of these, same colour, sunroof too. Didn't have LSD or big red brakes (MO30 ). Great handling, and actually on fast roads it's superb due to the balanced handling at high speed ( ie over 100 ). Feelsome steering, not so quick you can't spank it. Standard brakes weren't good really needed the bigger brakes. Terrible on a hot day without aircon. Went to a 964RS then a 320BHP Caterham ( bespoke engine ). I wouldn't underestimate one on track either with proper brakes and track tyres..you'd still stuff most hatches.
Mark Broadheaf Thanks for your comments, Mark 👍
I remember when these came out and all the reviewers loved them, of its time I think
Loving the travel time
I love the reviews of cars from yesteryear- everytime I see one, I want the car in question. Great video & banter...🤣 you have a way with words...a gas mask!
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Great car back in the day, built well and quite rare but that was more down to the economy rather than supply, later became good value at circa £15k, but makes no sense now at this current price point - as you have sussed out!!
Thanks for another great upload chaps, loving visiting the older stuff again, ps if you are looking for track day pork, pop down to paragon and try marks old cup car which is available, mark & jamie would probably let you review it - nice folks.
Had a 944 turbo and then a 968 sport, put serious mileage on both and sold them for what I paid, could even get a mountain bike in the boot.
I'd have put money on it giving the ol' fizz - I've wanted a yellow CS with M030 pack for a long time! I think your opinions are very honest and relatable though so this might be a car suffering from a case of rose tint perhaps.
Great video. Interesting, honest and funny. You two have a great rapport on camera :-)
Thanks, Amber
Great video lads, love the retro look of the Porsche. A mate has a Renault R26 with the same coloring, absolutely love it
Love the watch Coverage !! Next time try a 944 Turbo S. It will set your winky on fire ....as if the lighter landed on it ! Cheers
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I’ve got a 944 turbo S and it gives me a permanent smile every time I stomp on the gas. Not to mention it’s a huge hit at the car shows.
david webster Those are amazing cars! I’ve had two of them, as well as a 968, and the Turbo S feels like it has 100bhp more, given how the power is delivered. So much bang for the buck 👍
Tuco Salamanca Congrats ! That’s an amazing car you got. Lots of character , and a blast to drive. The power delivery is always a Rush!! Enjoy it
Tuco Salamanca I have had a 968, a 944 Turbo, and multiple 944 Turbo S. In my opinion the only advantage the 968 has over the Turbo S is a more modern looking rear end . Period. I think the Turbo S spanks it in every other way. . A very special car .
Good work lads, more classics please 😀
Had to revisit this after all these years as Tyrell just reviewed one. I'd be curious if your opinion would change on the CS if, perhaps, you had a stock suspension example and a dry day to test it on. Not that these cars grow on trees and finding another would be easy. It's just such an interesting specimen. And such opposing views points from a few people who's opinions I respect so much.
Mine was a ‘94 German market car, with a/c and lsd. It remains one of the best cars I have owned - unfortunately I had to leave it behind when I moved back to Canada from the UK. Had I been able to keep it I would have been tempted to add a s/c, but it was still special without it. A wonderful car for fast weekend trips, even with 2 sets of golf clubs.
I am a big fan of the transaxle Porsches and own a fully restored 87 944 N/A with original Guards red paint and some nice performance mods. It is a wonderfully balanced and great handling sports car it has incredible practicality as well
Own one of these, a low milage CS with all the goodies. Didn't like it at first, but when you really start to hammer it down, which obviously you couldn't do on those wet roads, it becomes magical. With brilliant balance and poise and a lovely feel. Closer to its limits it really comes alive. In reality it was faster in acceleration than the regular 968, most magazines clocked it at around 6s. Which is OK, because in reality most hot hatches, even with 300 bhp, don't get below 6s. Even above 200 kph I find it to be as fast as a 993 (autobahn test ofc...). I still consider it to be the right time to buy one of these, you get a unique track oriented Porsche for hot hatch money...
The "flying" cigarette lighter did it for me. Lol.
I own a 968CS and love this car because its so unique to drive. So perfect balanced. Drove him to times at Hockenheim trackday. 😎
You have definitly not the streets and weather to figure out the limits of this car. 😬
You should come over. 👍
Another reason to love this car is because it's so rare and still a eyecatcher. Driving behind a CS, you will never forget this iconic ass. The reasons not to buy one is maybe the price, the non sound (I own a gt3 too) and the cigarette lighter. Never used it 🤔
Great clip, love you guys!
Christi flatsix Thanks, Christi
I loved the watch shot showing the Tudor BB and PP aquanaut, nice classic car!
Another great vid guys, thank you. I had an Evo 5 with Stage 1 Ralliart upgrades and I can tell you honestly the 968 Clubsport is not as fast or as good handling. Mind you, neither was my bosses 550 Maranello upto 265kph.
Nice 👍 I’m talking about the watch. I’m also partial to a 968. Takes me back to my younger years.
My friends in their 911s have a tough time keeping up with me on backroads. A big part of it is this car makes you feel so comfortable driving it at its limits that you can really push it and it stays predictable. Sometimes I wish it had more power but then other times it seems like it's the perfect amount. You have to really wring it out to get the power out of that variocam head. Too bad you guys didn't have better conditions because this would've been a much different review.
I own one and enjoy the purity of the drive compress with very powerful modern cars. Looks great and a moment in time, should be looked/reviewed in the context of rivals at the time. A great long term investment and fun to drive.
Would love to come and visit your amazing car collection!
It has a sun-roof because Porsche only had these bodies left later in their build. Remember that the Boxster was being developed so it was a case of use what we've got in stock. This is also why the uk got the 'sport' .
Really? I’m pretty sure you could option a sunroof or not, even in 1994
@@TheCarGuysTV You could, and a few had no sunroofs. However Porsche needed to use all the BIW and sunroof parts as they knew this car was being replaced soon. I can imagine all dealer and showroom cars were sunfroof models and if you didn´t want a sunroof you were proberbly told of the benifits of one by the salesman. If you think logically it makes sence as why else you you want one on a car that´s so obsessed with being light that it deletes the boot lock but has extra weight in the roof (also lowers the height if you´re wearing a helmet). Remember Porsche were not doing so well and needed to do whatever to survive.
I completely understand the reason the club sport retains or even has increased in value. I also respect the engineering and design, but it is farther down my list of Porsche’s to own. There are so many 911’s to own first. The one classic Porsche I would like to own is a 928 GTS manual transmission. Cheers to your video. Nice job.
Good choice
moat excellent - 964 next please TheCarGuys
Nice vid. Harry has got the Pug Gti vid out as well so I am living the old life tonight
Shame about the weather, you could't really spank it like it needed with that weather. The old red and white Carrera CS would have been better, can you test that?
I remember John Barker of Evo fame crashed one of these at Oulton Park back in the day... you know when you have had a biggy when you go in front first but still end up with mud up the exhaust.
Hi Guys after looking at your review I am quite happy to stick with my Honda S2000 with upgraded KW coil overs cheers
Good shout
Try a modified 944 turbo and you 're going to love it.
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After this review prices may get affordable cheers lads !
Reminds me of my old 944 (well, the color is the same) :-) Cool Nautilus!!
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I was with Tom today guys and he told me you did a video on the CS they have. I think you need to try my one! CS's need to be driven rather hard to be appreciated and believe me they are magical on the limit! The varioram really comes into play. Happy for you to try mine as you need to experience one without a sunroof and with an LSD and the bucket seats.
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actually its my understanding that Variocam only functions below 4000 rpm to save fuel and run cool. its native timing is above 4000 rpm or if you disconnect the hall sender input connector next to the distributor. Yeah, its counter intuitive.
@@nova-oy4qy really good point re when it operates! This is from the 968uk site : The VarioCam operates between 1500 and 5500rpm, and will vary the timing of the inlet camshaft in relation to the exhaust camshaft this has the effect of increasing the overlap and so increases torque.
At the appropriate time the engine management system will send a command to the VarioCam solenoid to move a control piston, oil pressure will then flood a cylindrical chamber and this applies pressure onto the cam chain tensioner, varying the timing.
This system can adjust the cam timing by as much as 15deg., which enhances the torque by up to an extra 6lb ft. When 5500rpm is reached and more bhp is needed rather than torque the system goes into reverse, this can then release an extra 5bhp.
@@amirhashm1 sounds about right. I had mine open last week and saw how it works. You can disconnect the connector and you will notice that it runs poorly below 4500 or so. Above it will feel about the same.... and
as you know at about 5k and higher it unleashes all the beans, screams and pulls hard to redline.
@@nemiroal nice! I've not tried to disconnect it might play. I am seriously thinking of supercharging it btw. More torque and power would give it what it deserves to have I reckon!
This is a case of "Never meet your heroes"...thanks for doing the video!
theclutch You’re welcome
Enjoyed your vid guys. I have owned my 1995 968 Sport for 10yrs & I enjoy the feel of it very much. Being non turbo & only 240bhp you do have to get the revs right up into the variocam sweet spot for them to come alive more. I think they also feel nice & torquey considering no turbo. I take mine to many shows & always gets lots of attention as so rare. I must criticize your remarks regarding value, as it makes no sense. These cost 30k new 25yrs ago so what's wrong with 15-25k now for a rare, well made, best & last of a front engined Porsche sports cars? There are loads of old cars that command much more money than these, Integrales (old italian hatchbacks), Dolorians (slow, poorly made car from film), any old Ford RS (made in mass with horse & cart engineering) it's just how classic / modern cars have gone. Most of these cars won't compete with a modern hot hatch, but that's not the point. Surely 'The car guys' know that, don't they?
'The car guys' have no idea.
Beautiful 5164A!
Needs a turbo for sure! Just imagine this but with another 100+bhp!
I don’t race mine but have rallied on the track with it. It keeps up with the 911s in that context. They pull away on straight aways a bit , but you make up for it in their having to brake early and in the turns. The real joy is a nice day with the top down. Whether you go cab or coupe, six speed manual should be an easy choice against the tip. I’ve driven the 996 and it’s easy to miss another 60hp and the sound of the flat six...no question.
I follow you guys from Belgium. Owning both 968CS and a 911 i can understand the difference in exitement when looking for a quick blast car, the CS delivers purely on the edge in cornering. A standard E30 M3 being a bettter choice? That would imho be a big disappointment if judged in the same way. Greetings from Belgium
Haha! The fizzing in the winky is the gold standard!
details78 👍👍
My turbo ended up on it's roof in the field opposite the Goodwood motor circuit entrance (now the carpark), clearing the 10 foot hedge that once stood there. Before they straightened the road there were a couple of great corners though unfortunately on that fateful night a great deal of cow shit as well, my insurance company kept the car.
Hello Guys, What is better ? 288 GTO, F40 OR F50 . I value your opinons above all others, not afraid to tell the truth, no sugar coating
Had all 3 - F40 hands down !!
Evening chaps, would love for you to get your mits on a 928GTS. This will make thine winkie fizzle more than this jumped up Celica GT.
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Lovely back in the day........but I got thoroughly trounced by a non turbo Alpine GTA at a Porsche track day. The 'Renault' only had 160bhp but it made the Club sport seem very lardy
Cool car !
I had the yellow back in 1993 real head turner but slow even then, the handling was epic though miss it
They say you should never meet your heroes. This is a perfect example. Thanks Car Guys.
What is that red flashing light?
Very nice PP aquanaut 👌
968 CS is amazing and in some ways the last of the old feelsome analogue cars..I helped out performance car in 93/94 when it won PCOTY it trounced competition and I loved it and tbh only bettered by a 993 RS club sport imho this side of Porsche uberexotica!
Nice Patek Philippe 👍🏻
I owned a 968CS in the early mid 90s. Maybe it was just the Australian version but I thought they all had the hard back Racaro seats and I’ve never seen one with a sunroof . Yes they could have done with more power. Fitzgerald in Melbourne were doing an expensive modification at the time to turn your 968CS into a 968RS turbo, which was seriously fast. I think they only did four conversations, you sometimes see one for sale. On the track the 911 of the day, had a little more squirt down the straight but I found the 968CS could carry more corner speed. The 988CS was also lots more forgiving and predictable than a 964 when been driven quickly, and was an excellent first track car. I don’t think it’s fair to compare a “budget” Porsche from 1993 to a 2018 GT3. I know a few guys who still own a 968 and they love them. The 968 especially the CS was fun to drive, even if the engine was a little rough as The Car Guys said, but a huge leap over the 944S2.
Considered getting one of these but a lack of a V6 always makes me ponder .
KEYO , no V6 please, I6 or B6.
@@MrBirgerB I think if I was going for a none flat six classic Porsche i would try and pay more and go for a 928 in the guise of a manual V8.
A fine car in every way!
Looks like a nice car. However, I'm not sure that's track spec with the sunroof & comfort seats? The CS was effectively a marketing exercise removing spec to keep prices down in the showroom. You had to pay up considerably from the options list for the M003. seats, suspension, slippydiff and brakes. A fair summary guys. I bought mine home in simiilar wet weather, I sold it on as it was too easy to drive at 8/ 10 ths of it's ability (or above) compared to old 911RS.
Gasmask interior design and grande cigarette lighter - I love it ;-) ...we shall fight on the beaches, we shall never surrender. Crazy how everything always comes back to Mr Churchill when it is about Britsh and Germans ^^
I'm pretty sure gasmasks are universal, so I don't think there was any Churchillian about this. I think you might be looking into it a bit too much :)
Well the decals are nice.
The 968CS is meh.... the 968 Turbo S is another beast altogether 😈
The aquanaut, a fine fine choice
I thank you
My FAVORITE Porsche!!!!!!!
Pass. Thx for showing us why. Go get a Boxster or 911 996.1. Now, how about manual 928 ? Had a memorable week with one decades ago... Oh, Jaguar XKR gen 1 2003-2006 and then successor 2008-2009 and then reg XK 2010 w the 5.0 v8 (thus don't bother w overkill XKR 2010 I suspect....
What do you gentlemen recommend for a first Porsche?
It depends if you’re thinking modern or classic, and your budget
TheCarGuys.TV I was thinking 50k US as new a model as possible for reliability. I just feel the Porsche has such a great reputation that said the Gallardo is my dream. Thanks for response and as always love the channel!
@@davemclean8667 go with 997S or 997 4s
Nice review - but here's a conundrum for you. You have a budget of £10k, £25k and £50k. It's only you and the wife and you can only have one car. What car would you buy in each of the above price brackets ( and yes they can be secondhand) Answers on a post card please and it doesn't have to be a daily driver.
A very underrated car, as i know from my very own experience... You'll love it!
Back in the day my 944 & therefore the 968, were perfect for wet roundabouts, Jason & Damian you've transported an old guy back in time , an enjoyable review thanks.
You need to take that on a track day to appraise it as a track car.
I thought they came with buckets or did I imagine it?
Looks like a sport that one
Rory Jones You could spec them without the fixed Recaros but I agree this one may as well be a ‘Sport’ with these seats.
The buckets have been removed from this one, but a genuine CS
3.0L V6 engines of the era all made 220hp and maybe around 190torque. This was leagues better, maybe this particular motor was tired, but these should be quick.
+Damian - - No fizzy in your winky? ... Are you certain the 968 is the old duffer?
people who actually own these will tell you that you need to be driving 7/10th or higher to "get it". Pity that wasn't done here. Its unremarkable below 7/10th.
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I would like you to take a test on a lamborghini of lanner 2020
thank you, admirer. Long life.
I drove McLean’s car round the ring many years ago. It’s very capable but it’s too easy to drive. You could play crossyroad whilst sliding it.
I had a McLean story in this vid, but cut it out to keep the running time down
Don’t be afraid of making longer videos!
How does this car compare to the 944 ? I only ever heard nice things about the 944, but don't remember the 968 ever being anything really special. I always liked the appearance of 944 more than the 968.
944 turbo and 968 is same power and same inside. only diff is the 928 eyes.
@@SAMMYJR00777 was looking on pistonheads at the posts to the differences. Most point out the similarities and biggest difference was vario cam system, six speed transmission, bodywork, and price difference. They had same displacement and shared some parts though.
Porsche did build four turbo 968's , by which a well known racing driver here in Australia by the name of Peter Fitzgerald built four of exact replicas. I believe he managed to talk Porsche into providing him the parts. They do pop up for sale from time to time.
www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/john-bowe-reviews/1301/porsche-968-rs-turbo-replica-review
Personally I love mine. It isn't the fastest thing on the planet but it's fun to drive ( and that's more important) .
Absolutely, and I’m not trying to change your mind about the car, just present mine, on my channel. It’s a great car, no debate, just not quite great enough to go into my garage.
@@TheCarGuysTV I get what you're saying. I have liked and subscibed thanks for doing a 968 video. I was just giving a brief opinion of my experience. I wanted a cool looking 80/90s classic, easy to maintain myself that is fun to drive on occasional track days and also be good for long distance ( always a compromise) . Everyone has different needs and if you're used to driving the latest hot hatches and Ferraris then a 968 will be underwhelming at the end of the day it's pushing 30 years old.
The panel gaps at the front...
Not panel gaps - black rubber gaskets between the plastic bits and the steel body.
@@crujones5319 Interesting, thanks. Still look awful, though. Same with the 993.
@@julianevans9548 Yeah the 993 has the same rubber strips between some of the panels. Most noticeable on white of course. My 968 is red. And I agree with the video - it's just not quite fast enough to feel special. With at least 300 hp it would be perfect!
i think it looks a lot better than the 928 tbh
You went on too much about the fact that this car is not as fast as most modern sports cars. This should not have been a surprise or something worth spending so much time on, and it’s not really fair to compare old cars in this regard.
Would sooner have the aquanaut
Nicely fit PP Aquanaut with this Porsche. Thank you for keep bringing to us Unusual cars, with your very straight and your very own views. Finally, not Ferrari
Peter Vansa You’re welcome, Peter
Drive a R26R Megane!!
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1. Values of 968's are NOT HIGH, 15-25k depending on model, mileage & condition. Low compared to other less capable rare cars.
2. There's plenty of ooomph, free revving, plenty of torque (most powerful 4 cylinder NA engine in it's day) what are you comparing it with?
3. Average hot hatch (Fiesta ST) will blow it into the weeds? Load of nonsense. My wife had an ST 2 yrs ago & it was not faster than my 968 Sport. I have been stuck to the tail of a Cayman which could not shake me around B roads. Either something wrong with that car or you didn't drive it properly.
4. Well built, solid, firm yet supple ride with a lovely smooth, free revving, torquey engine, perfect for a sports car on the road.
'The car guys', are clueless.
Patek rolex beautiful not keen on the car cheer geezers
I think those changing their opinion or desire for one of these could do a lot worse than drive one themselves or at least get some passenger time if possible, maybe offer to stick £20 in the tank for a seller or owner to take you out. It's quite a shame that guys like these can affect opinions of others that I've read here, just from taking one out in crap weather through some lanes, in an absolute fail of a test for a YT channel no matter how popular. Yes I have one, well a Sport, they're the same car pulled from the CS line, just having the options available to the CS fitted as standard. Just like the comfort seats shown in this clip. Had the guys been in the CS with the hardback seats they came with as standard I dare say the review would be even more negative. Mechanically the Sport and CS are identical, the coupe being the plain car but only lacking in wheels and suspension plus interior. CS purists absolutely hate it when folk say the Sport is the same car because it either dents the desirability of theirs or increases the values of others once that information is known but it's true. I think there were something like 136 RHD UK only Sports or maybe that was white cars, I don't care really, there's not many as you may know
Worth getting out of the way is that I'm probably the least anal Porsche owner anyone could meet haha, I never bought mine with any illusion of grandeur, it was purely one of two cars I bought for a ring trip, the other being a DC2 Honda Integra Type R. Back in 06 I was to take one or the other, I could smell a feint hint of coolant on the 968 that a later traced to a seep from the heater valve under the bonnet that I couldn't get in time and wasn't risking fate being what it is, but having prepped both cars I took the Teg. No doubt a car that if tested by these two would be cast aside also as nothing special. Back when it mattered however, both cars by the glossy drivers mags rated both the best drivers cars of all time at different points. It is this I have in mind when urging you potential followers to get some time in one if possible, because these lads are way off the mark with their measure of this particular version of a Porsche FR car. I have no rose tinted glasses, just time in the seat.
My pals joked that at 40 I needed a crisis car and that's all this was, purely a giggle at the time. I bought it off a Doctor who commuted from Nottingham to Harrogate as this ones second owner. He'd ploughed money into an OPC for a full top end rebuild which meant the car had my name all over it. I didn't want a garage queen, I'm a fairly aggressive driver and knew I wanted to be free of too much concern had things gone awry, it has a few marks, a few conker dings from the tree the Doc parked under haha, the thing of value was the rest of the car was a peach. The 968 went to the ring the following year. It kind of supports what is said about these as track toys potentially, but when such a review as this doesn't even give time to gel with the car on the road in the right conditions what do you expect? It would be quite plain to see the view on track potential would also be a little dim, as it was here having driven it only in abysmal weather where nobody would be able to form a valid opinion, the car deserves so much more.
As a point to point car on some UK roads these are absolutely sublime to drive. Ignore the notchy when cold gear issues, some have been around the block a few more times than people may think, I don't expect such naivety. Having owned mine for so long I can recall seeing the same cars pass through owner after owner and many be broken up as I followed the sale of parts online. I viewed several and probably ten during the time I was using it. I was happy I had a good car even if not cosmetically perfect. Now it seems that while I was sleeping, having my car kind of abandoned in the care of a local paint shop, these breaker cars diminished and new love it seems fell upon the model which have some remarkable prices now, mine was stuffed down the side of a house mostly since '08, and has been stored in the bodyshop for the last six years with little interior, wanting rust taking care of, unfortunately it's outside now and will just be sold but that's another story, I may leave it there a bit longer.
The 3.0 4 pot by all account won accolades for the most HP and TQ from an N/A engine of its type and cc, suggesting it has a bit more to give perhaps once 'learnt' or lived with, which is true. I used mine locally a bit but where I used it a lot was almost weekly trips from Wirral to the Isle of Wight, a run I would do by car or bike, mostly at night, always returning later than when I left, here is where the 968 is a special vehicle and it was almost addictive. One sits very low in the comfort Recaro's as seen above, and at 6'3" I can sit with my legs almost outstretched, if my foot was behind the clutch it was just that. The driving position is great, you're almost sitting in front of the rear wheels, you can feel the car turn under you if that makes sense, it is indeed well balanced, the torque is just 'nice' and despite having some 130k when I got it, with an eprom change to help the car pass a weak area in the map it would smoothly drive from lazy town speeds to the top hitting the advertised numbers potentially. Handling at a pace on some ace roads was just amazing in such comfort, not just from the seats, it always felt sure footed I felt. I never changed it from stock beyond the eprom, I bought a different air cleaner and braided hoses but never bothered fitting them. I did remove the rear wiper and was always on the lookout for an M030 kit or LSD, little chance now, I did find rear shocks. Forget the spartan dash, you have what you need, great visibility, a mile munching drivetrain and chassis, you can exit after almost 300 miles non stop driving feeling great and comfortably smug about the drive if you're a fairly progressive driver and having so much road to ones self, but not trying to beat anyone, it's just 'nice' to drive every time.
White 968's just ask to have red scripts added to them and red wheels, I did mine in '07, adding the decals at the hotel in Germany having driven all through the night hoping to catch the rest of the party up, leaving late as my other half had been in hospital. A tiring but epic 11 hour run later on almost empty roads and despite heavy rain, I got there while breakfast was still out and the team of us all joined in turning my now brown car back into a white one, ready for its some 22 faultless laps of the green hell. Well almost faultless, as cornering rather hard in a favourably cambered downhill right turn a bit after Adenau Forst, the front anti roll bar tore through it's right link hoop but all was ok, it was at the end of the fun day before we went home, the car had just got better and better, very reassuring with some controllable movement in places as you might expect, I'm no race driver and was happy with what I was doing, getting around in about 9:15 by the end in stock form with Avon ZZR3's or something that it still has on. It was actually quite surprising if not rewarding to see how many of these considering the limited number, were even there. That alone says something about them I think. Those of you having been will know it not to be like any UK track. I'd like to run it round Oulton one day being fairly local, but the ring is a totally different experience, and clearly the 968 was the car of choice in the eyes of several proud owners.
Maybe try and find some time for one ;O)
CarsOrBikes Awesome comments and you’re right, people should decide for themselves if they don’t trust our opinion. For the record, the 968 was driven in the dry, it’s just that Sod’s law the heavens opened on the day of filming.
You do win the award for the longest ever YT comment though, so that’s something 👍
More of a Grand tourer than a track weapon.
237 BHP at the CRANK
180bhp per tonne is more than enough for safe overtaking unless your one had low compression or something. Also there is no way you can know how good it would be on a track with just pootling about on a tight wet B road. They have a great chassis that is highly rewarding to drive. Why do you talk about the (relatively) heavy steering as a bad thing? We don't all want to drive cars with steering weighted for mrs muggins. And to say you would want more power for a track car is entirely missing the point.
Driven one on the track
These cars were so rare as seen at 4.45 because they were built by oompa loompas.
Stephen Wolstenholme ...you are right, that is an umpah lumpah (however you spell it)
@@paultaylor701 I am quite proud to say i am dyslexic in over 58 languages.