Jenna Ortega actually took a bunch of lessons to play that song. I think she did really well (even if it's impossible to play for one person). I have to say that Ray Chen guy really phoned it in. I suspect he's never even touched a violin before this scene. 😁
I love your Tonic app of course ... I play ... I sing Opera ... and I saw your 2 Tonic stickers on your PC. 🎉 Great idea ! According to me, Tonic is the best learning music app for musicians/singers. I've recently listened to a young norwegian trio of 3 girls aged from 11 to 13 years old ! It was like she played in my bedroom ! Musicians compose music. But Ray, you compose a music smart app. So you compose the next generation of musicians/singers. ❤ So Ray, I give you the best Music Smart Composition Oscar. 🎵🏆
Raaaay!!! Can you please react to "If I Stay" too? It's a story about a cellist surrounded by rock musicians or rock music fans... it's a nice movie, quite tragic.. but I wanna know your thoughts about it 🥰🥰
Ray is always so much more generous than Twoset, and also me in these ratings. "Well, everything was wrong, they used a guitar instead of a violin, and the player had no hands, 7/10"
I think it's because I know some of these actors and they actually read/watch youtube vids and comments from time to time. If someone from the fashion industry started making comments/roasting how musicians dress on stage, we'd be in the same boat.
@@RayChenViolinist Oh man that reminds me of the video of Midori at Carnegie Hall in 1990 and all the outfits look super of-the-time. Anyway, fair enough, I totally understand. (But if you want to do some of the egregiously bad ones, that's cool too!) I don't blame the actors anyway, I'd do whatever someone hired for me too. I was once in a commercial for a large fruit-based computer brand, as an orchestral violinist, and when we got to set they told us to do something completely different than what we were originally told.
@@RayChenViolinist You are not at a fashion show when you are at the stage so fashion industry can't blame you. But they are litreally try to make a musician scene.
from my personal experience from working on movies is that quite often the actors have no clue what actual music is playing or going to be used or how dynamically it will be played, only what direction they're given by the director, sometimes you can get purposeful overlay but quite often it's pretty difficult or not cost effective to try and match to something that may change even slightly and ruin the entire thing, so they just do a general take and use the best parts they can in editing, not the best idea, but sometimes that's all you got.
That's upto how dedicated the actor/actress to their role, I think. A fully commited person would have asked which piece is supposedly played and try to match it, especially when music is essential to the building of character.
It's so lovely that you focus on the positives! Too many people critique others while most people are trying to do a good job. Important to have perspective. Nobody is good at everything
I’d LOVE to see Ray react to Roman Kim, maybe Eine Kleine Nacht Musik? TwoSet said it was hard, and I absolutely believe them. Would love to hear about it from a soloist POV
Ray has got to be one of the most polite and nicest people you could meet!!! I really hope I get to in November as there's a question about Mozart I'd like to ask him!
Seems Tala Ashe (Legends of Tomorrow) actually plays/played the violin. She tweeted about it back on Feb 20, 2018 with some pics of herself as a kid with her violin.
Mind blown. I watched Mozart in the Jungle years ago (it’s actually what inspired me to pick up my violin again after decades). I had no idea who Ray Chen was back then. Now, looking back, I can’t believe it was him in the scene! I definitely should rewatch the show because now I’d be watching from a different perspective.
With Wednesday…There was an article with her talking about the cello active. I love how she actually mentioned the experience of taking lessons so she can be more precise with the cello feature.
whoa it's been so many years now i forgot u used to have an accent!!! blast from the past with that old twoset clip heheh and congrats on ur movie cameo!!
omg... here I am, almost completing 4 years of Violin, and suddenly I decide to change my bow hold because of Ray lol. I hope my teacher doesn't mind...
8:33 i was listening and suddenly heard Mendelssohn violin concerto playing a yell from my room “MENDELSSOHN VIOLIN CONCERTO!” At 2 am because I couldn’t hold back my joy.
I always wonder how often the performers hear or know of the music that they'll be mimicking. And, how much heads up and practice do they get before filming?
Enjoyed the video, I also liked how you talked about the conductor's style. All of that direction can be very subjective, and it must get frustrating trying to comply with their requests. I'm sure there must be a lot of grumbling in the orchestra- that might be funnier than the musician jokes. No instrument is immune from them!
12:47 haha no way! I watched Mozart in the Jungle at the very beginning of my interest in classical music and I totally didn’t know that was Ray Chen😂😂😂I gotta rewatch it and see what I missed now!
As a saxophonist it pains me to see saxophone played in most media. The worst offenders being the actors/actresses "playing" an alto saxophone and HEARING a bari sax. Like literally the wrong instrument. Of course it's not their fault for what the set design/costume/director/sound design wants... but I mean come ON!!
I've rarely, if ever, seen an actor who is not a practicing violin player duplicate what a true violinist's vibrato LOOKS like, with the left hand. Of course, this is very difficult, so no one even tries. I'm just a guitar player, but the lack of left hand vibrato on violin (viola, cello, etc) looks so fake and amateur to me. I'm surprised this guy doesn't mention this pretty obvious problem more.
Hello,Rey, great review. It is interesting when you explain how to hold the bow correctly, with what inclination. Open a school, you explain interesting!)
Love your videos (and your playing)! But why do you have an American accent when talking to us but an Australian accent when talking to Brett and Eddie?
Since violin play is so often butchered in films (and not only violins) I wonder, how long do you really need to mimic the proper movement of the bow, bow hold and basic vibrato, disregarding actual play, because obviously we are only mimicking it. Actors spend months on learning certain things so I'd assume months for a violin would be enough to grasp the basics... (wannabe violinist here, albeit a tad older...XD). As for the orchestra thing - Ao no Orchestra shows the struggle of synchronising with other people in the orchestra.
For Wednesday, Jenna Ortega had never played the cello before filming Wednesday, but she learned it for the role. She's really playing it in that scene.
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Jenna Ortega actually took a bunch of lessons to play that song. I think she did really well (even if it's impossible to play for one person).
I have to say that Ray Chen guy really phoned it in. I suspect he's never even touched a violin before this scene. 😁
Ling Ling did
(didn't u hear, she's and acting prodigy too)
🤣🤣
I love your Tonic app of course ... I play ... I sing Opera ... and I saw your 2 Tonic stickers on your PC. 🎉 Great idea !
According to me, Tonic is the best learning music app for musicians/singers.
I've recently listened to a young norwegian trio of 3 girls aged from 11 to 13 years old ! It was like she played in my bedroom !
Musicians compose music.
But Ray, you compose a music smart app. So you compose the next generation of musicians/singers. ❤
So Ray, I give you the best Music Smart Composition Oscar. 🎵🏆
Raaaay!!!
Can you please react to "If I Stay" too? It's a story about a cellist surrounded by rock musicians or rock music fans...
it's a nice movie, quite tragic..
but I wanna know your thoughts about it 🥰🥰
"Violinists don't cry; VIOLISTS cry"
As a viola player, that came out of nowhere and smacked me in the face- I absolutely lost it lol * crying *
Ray is always so much more generous than Twoset, and also me in these ratings. "Well, everything was wrong, they used a guitar instead of a violin, and the player had no hands, 7/10"
I think it's because I know some of these actors and they actually read/watch youtube vids and comments from time to time. If someone from the fashion industry started making comments/roasting how musicians dress on stage, we'd be in the same boat.
@@RayChenViolinist Oh man that reminds me of the video of Midori at Carnegie Hall in 1990 and all the outfits look super of-the-time.
Anyway, fair enough, I totally understand. (But if you want to do some of the egregiously bad ones, that's cool too!) I don't blame the actors anyway, I'd do whatever someone hired for me too. I was once in a commercial for a large fruit-based computer brand, as an orchestral violinist, and when we got to set they told us to do something completely different than what we were originally told.
@@RayChenViolinist You are not at a fashion show when you are at the stage so fashion industry can't blame you. But they are litreally try to make a musician scene.
@@Aaron-xq6hv Apple? 🤔 Lol
I recall Cumberbatch said in an interview that he found it embarrassing to pretend to play the violin for the drama 😂😂
When Ray demonstrated the proper bow hold I couldn't stop admiring how pretty his fingers are 😆
Congrats on your acting debut, Ray! Well done! 👏👏👏🤩🎼🎵🎶🎻💖💯
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Ray is now really picking up where Brett and Eddy left off 😅
Benedict Cumberbitch had me rolling on the floor crying with laughter.
12:17 Ray does play the viola, right? The straight face that comes right after 😂
Tár -- 10/10 in every single scene. Not a TV show, true, but the movie's musical accuracy is so remarkable it deserves a video of its own.
In the Arcane series there's a particular scene of a guy who plays some sort of violin. Hope you review that one.
Ray Chen supremacy
Great suggestion! Next video!
@@RayChenViolinist hmmmm i wonder who that violinist is....
from my personal experience from working on movies is that quite often the actors have no clue what actual music is playing or going to be used or how dynamically it will be played, only what direction they're given by the director, sometimes you can get purposeful overlay but quite often it's pretty difficult or not cost effective to try and match to something that may change even slightly and ruin the entire thing, so they just do a general take and use the best parts they can in editing, not the best idea, but sometimes that's all you got.
That's upto how dedicated the actor/actress to their role, I think. A fully commited person would have asked which piece is supposedly played and try to match it, especially when music is essential to the building of character.
It's so lovely that you focus on the positives! Too many people critique others while most people are trying to do a good job. Important to have perspective. Nobody is good at everything
😮I have just noticed that Ray has the most ridiculously long little finger on his left hand ever. Prefect for a violinist.
Great to hear Ray Chen speaking on these clips
I’d LOVE to see Ray react to Roman Kim, maybe Eine Kleine Nacht Musik? TwoSet said it was hard, and I absolutely believe them. Would love to hear about it from a soloist POV
He’s a very good soloist and composer as well… I too would like ray to react to him though it’s be cool
That Cellist "turtle emerging from its shell" cracks me up so much 😂
Ray has got to be one of the most polite and nicest people you could meet!!! I really hope I get to in November as there's a question about Mozart I'd like to ask him!
Ray giving the most polite reviews 🐱
Ray is way too nice. I played violin 20 years ago when I was a kid and I cringe so much I would rate all of them 1/10😂
I really love Ray's response with a smile when she called his name...that's so cool...you were featured in a movie❤❤❤...
Seems Tala Ashe (Legends of Tomorrow) actually plays/played the violin. She tweeted about it back on Feb 20, 2018 with some pics of herself as a kid with her violin.
Mind blown. I watched Mozart in the Jungle years ago (it’s actually what inspired me to pick up my violin again after decades). I had no idea who Ray Chen was back then. Now, looking back, I can’t believe it was him in the scene! I definitely should rewatch the show because now I’d be watching from a different perspective.
I know- don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
With Wednesday…There was an article with her talking about the cello active. I love how she actually mentioned the experience of taking lessons so she can be more precise with the cello feature.
Loved seeing you at the MSO last night! Amazing performance.
It was said that Jenna Ortega did have a few cello lessons to imitate playing it. I think she had like 2 months of lessons
More, Ray! That was so good!
I just watched your concert in melbourne playing tchaikovsky violin concerto (june 29) the clapping between movements was pretty SACRELIGOUS.
Ray, you re awesome. You are a truly exemple for me and I admire you and your playing. It is so inspiaring to watch you play😊❤
whoa it's been so many years now i forgot u used to have an accent!!! blast from the past with that old twoset clip heheh and congrats on ur movie cameo!!
12:31
Me: this guy's playing looks pretty legit
A woman: Ray Chen
Me: oh, okay!
Also bro we know you're lowkey a good actor, sometimes I have to remind myself Hank chang is you 💀🤣
Ray chen is my favorite violinist. Never thought he could be my favorite youtuber as well.
That Big Bang theory scene… were her fingers even moving?! 😂
gotta love the Mendelssohn in the backround
Yes, but I'm wondering if it's Brett Yang's Mendy? It sounds like it
"Benedict Cumberbitch" absolutely killed me dead 💀
I would DIE for a cover of Paint it Black on the Violin from him
The light-saber battle is legit -- I have seen beginning oboists do this while waiting for their lesson. Usually boys.
Benedict's bow hold is Italian style 🤌
12:03 as a violist (main) and violinist (just for fun i used to play violin) this was really funny 😂 i was lmao 😂😂😂❤
Thank you, very interesting, I love the musical analysis of films. Jenna Ortega learned to play the cello for this film. 🙂
As a floutist, that lightsaber fight was horrifying...
As someone learning to play musical instruments the scene with the two kids sword fighting with flutes was horrifying to me.
Ray was in Mozart in the Jungle? I don' t even remember this. Now I have to rewatch the show.
Ray can you please compare synthetic bow hair on a wood bow? I’m buying a good bow soon and would love some info.
Learned a lot, thank you!
Just seeing that old TwoSet clip, I just noticed how much the Aussie accent has gone away.
Can we see you in more movies? 🥺
omg... here I am, almost completing 4 years of Violin, and suddenly I decide to change my bow hold because of Ray lol. I hope my teacher doesn't mind...
I kinda wish you had Hardison playing the violin from Leverage. But this was a really good reaction i enjoyed it lol
8:33 i was listening and suddenly heard Mendelssohn violin concerto playing a yell from my room “MENDELSSOHN VIOLIN CONCERTO!” At 2 am because I couldn’t hold back my joy.
It sounds like Brett's 4 mil, does it not?
Excited for the next #rayviewme I think I’ve made tons of progress since I was reviewed.
One of the only reasons why I watched Mozart in the Jungle is because I found out that you and other famous musicians were in it.
Love the video 💕
But why did the editor cut off at the end 🙈 was linda funny lol
I always wonder how often the performers hear or know of the music that they'll be mimicking. And, how much heads up and practice do they get before filming?
Enjoyed the video, I also liked how you talked about the conductor's style. All of that direction can be very subjective, and it must get frustrating trying to comply with their requests. I'm sure there must be a lot of grumbling in the orchestra- that might be funnier than the musician jokes. No instrument is immune from them!
Cheers! You've gained a bew subscriber👏
14:50 now that's how it feels like a shostacovich!
12:47 haha no way! I watched Mozart in the Jungle at the very beginning of my interest in classical music and I totally didn’t know that was Ray Chen😂😂😂I gotta rewatch it and see what I missed now!
Do not make silly comparisons: Two Ser Violin is wonderful....and so Is Chen
Ray: You can hear the difference there.
Me: *Can't hear any difference* therefore I'm broken.
off topic : the cc was turned on automatically and in the intro when Ray was saying "I'm violinist Ray Chen", it showed "I'm violence Ray Chen" 🤣😂
"Until the end of time" :D
Mozart in the jungle is awesome, I love it!
5:29 - Oh no, I'm cracking up so much at this while at my desk at work!
I’d love to see your reactions to The Red Violin! 😊
Ray, did you watch The Blue Orchestra anime? It is is a nice classical music anime worth watching.
As a saxophonist it pains me to see saxophone played in most media. The worst offenders being the actors/actresses "playing" an alto saxophone and HEARING a bari sax. Like literally the wrong instrument. Of course it's not their fault for what the set design/costume/director/sound design wants... but I mean come ON!!
12:16 - That needs to be a gif 😄
11:32 ow OW!
I've rarely, if ever, seen an actor who is not a practicing violin player duplicate what a true violinist's vibrato LOOKS like, with the left hand. Of course, this is very difficult, so no one even tries. I'm just a guitar player, but the lack of left hand vibrato on violin (viola, cello, etc) looks so fake and amateur to me. I'm surprised this guy doesn't mention this pretty obvious problem more.
Hello,Rey, great review. It is interesting when you explain how to hold the bow correctly, with what inclination. Open a school, you explain interesting!)
Love your videos (and your playing)! But why do you have an American accent when talking to us but an Australian accent when talking to Brett and Eddie?
Thanks sharing! So different for professional musician in a movie. Maybe you will have a real movie & we can go to cinema to watch it!
Ray, you should rate my compositions. They are mostly average. You will be like "This asian failed", especially since I wanna pursue music edu lol 😂
😅I usually drink coffee after a rehearsal.😅😅😅😅😅🌌💨
Rey,How to play J.S. Bach.? What is the complexity of the strokes in the right hand?
Ray ! Jenna Ortega was not supposed to look like she's tapping the bow over the strings but to pull them T-T It's a pizzicato section !
It seemed like Wednesday was playing accurately when I watched it but I really wasn't sure. I guess I'd finally find out if she really was
She does take lessons
@@kenya1422oh, that makes sense. I'm not a cellist nor a violinist but I could quite tell she wasn't just totally faking it
"That's true" 😂
I'm a little confused. Is Leonard from Big Bang Theory hoöding his bow upside down? 😯 How sacrilegous
Can somebody please tell me what the last piece was? (15.55, Legends of Tomorrow.)
Since violin play is so often butchered in films (and not only violins) I wonder, how long do you really need to mimic the proper movement of the bow, bow hold and basic vibrato, disregarding actual play, because obviously we are only mimicking it.
Actors spend months on learning certain things so I'd assume months for a violin would be enough to grasp the basics... (wannabe violinist here, albeit a tad older...XD).
As for the orchestra thing - Ao no Orchestra shows the struggle of synchronising with other people in the orchestra.
Technically Ray didn't act, he was being himself, wasn't he?
Elliot Page did have a stunt double that can actually play the violin.
Oh really? Did not actually know that, cuz it looks quite (a bit) real!
12:16 THAT'S true que miedo.... pero se entiende.....
For Wednesday, Jenna Ortega had never played the cello before filming Wednesday, but she learned it for the role. She's really playing it in that scene.
you are being so generous with the ratings 😅 be honest
If they're going to "air bow" then wouldn't it just be better to use a bow with no rosin on it?
do master and commander?
I thought that the actor that played Wednesday was studying cello for weeks for this scene.
bros playing with the bow on the wrong way
Ray so sus about the Kodali duo 😂
I believe Benedict actually did about 6 mos of lessons...
Lol right...2 minutes each once every two weeks
Ray being the world class soloist is actually so much nicer than twoset reacting to fake playing
2 set are getting it fun and making comedy stuf ray react to it serios
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say
Laugh. Jonny Galecki has been playing cello since he was a kid.
Wait, if asking people to play in a chmaber group together means to want to date, thats pretty shallow or am i being too naive?😅
Being too nice to em Ray haha. Just an utter lack of effort or concern.
NEVER make fun of Violists!
No way