I don't really know if you can. Mario levels are more about moving forward and getting to the end instead of exploring a world, so there is no need for landmarks in most cases.
MayroSMM did you mean like a red coin level? (There is a red coin in each part of the level and to get it you need to beat a challenge or to solve a puzzle) The landmark in these levels is usually a room with doors/pipes and a checkpoint to save the red coins you have collected. I suppose you already knew that, but for some strange reason I wanted to explain it😅
I hope they stop putting in challenges that require you to have an ability from way forward in the game. I like to complete a level all at once, like how I would in Banjo-Kazooie, but they were forcing me to leave and then come back much later. The first world, for instance, has a challenge you can't complete until you get the ability that helps you get into the third stage and one where you need the ability that gets you into the fourth stage. I found myself getting just enough Pagies to get into the next world and not coming back until I had all the abilities, just in case I would stumble upon a challenge that needed me to have one of them.
A lot of the first games in a series are different than the others. Kirby Dream Land 1 didn't have the copy ability. Sonic 1 didn't have the spin dash (not counting re-releases) and only contained six Chaos Emeralds. Instead of the usual seven, as well as no Super Sonic. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow didn't have "special attack" and "special defense" categories and Pokemon didn't have genders. Gen 2 introduced both. Mega Man 1 used a score system. MM2-6 ditched the idea. The first Animal Crossing game used acres (similar to the 2D Zelda games) and contained several unlockable NES games. Banjo-Kazooie had a life system. Banjo-Tooie ditched it, same with DK64. Mario Party 1 took coins away from the player, if they lost some of the mini-games. None of the other games do that.
Yooka-Laylee shouldn't try and boast about how you can play it in any order you want if you can't, though. Like, seriously; they even boast about that during the loading screen.
If Yooka-Laylee had been it's own game. It would've actually gotten praise. People seem to criticize it because it's trying to be like Banjo-Kazooie and it's not. It looks like a decent game. Not saying it could top Banjo-Kaoozie but it's at least a lot better than Nuts & Bolts, AKA Banjo Kazooie: Minecraft Edition. I mean if BoTW tried to be like OoT, people would've gave it the same reception as TP, which tried to be like OoT. At least MM, WW, and SS were their own games.
Great analysis! I've never actually played the original Banjo-Kazooie, but I absolutely love Banjo-Tooie to pieces. While I'll probably enjoy Yooka Laylee too, I'll wait until the price drops.
romantiCaveman pretty much tooie had a central point of reference, like Pterodactyland the mountain, and mayan mahem had the Ziggurat glitter gulch mine didn't have a central focus but the mini games destroy yooka and so does the bosses what is the issue was that the world size took away a more fleshed out adventure, banjo feels like banjo because its not platform heavy but yooka is, controlwise banjo was easier to control, yooka laylee was too fast and that spells trouble for precise platforming, the speed rings are f*king ridiculous and 5 levels was a bad move in retrospect, what is also stupid was not having warps, dont matter if you have the same layout as Kazooie this will help the issue of not being like banjo (it still played like banjo but playtesting was likely seldom done during development, such as the minecart mini games (oh my f*king god!) was that a good idea? having 5 levels with expansion was new but horribly flawed concept. especially when the current gameplay is not convincing... but 5 vs 10 is a tradeoff that was foolish to make. plus it keeps things interesting in that you don't want the player to think that this game is like gex (64 had 8 levels) thats why 10 levels was nedded , to avoid becoming stale in the first place.
to further my point, there was a reason master jiggywiggy was a central location for jigsaw puzzles, it was to resolve backtracking though the overworld for click clock wood. yooka laylee also should have a place where the tomes could be upgraded rather than head back (without warping to the world entry) only to further a story plot convenience but this created arbitrarily stopping what you were doing and then backtrack to the world entry all to expand a world? why not have a central location in the world to expand the world from the inside? then the journey is less thanks to marking points of the world with warp pads!
I m surprised you didn't talk about Banjo-Tooie during this video. Considering I like it more then the first one. My favorite part of Banjo-Tooie are the bosses which are a big step up from Banjo-Kazooie's and a lot are very memorable. Plus one of the boss themes for Weldar is my favorite track in the game.
Banjo-Tooie is pretty much the best video game of all time imo. So much imagination and height, looking around you see bendy worlds and paths everywhere with great challenges. It's sad to see people stray away from good gaming these days. People are abandoning the good industry for lesser games. All the different themes and atmospheres within Banjo-Tooie are amazing.
I don't think Yooka-Laylee really follows Banjo-Kazooie's level design the way you say it does. You said that Yooka-Laylee has one big landmark in the middle of the stage that helps you to find out where you are by using it as a point of reference, like in Banjo-Kazooie, but I think you neglected to mention that everything around that landmark looks the same and each landmark doesn't have an easily spot-able front. The fountain in the Casino level, for instance, is surrounded by a bunch of gold building that all more or less look the same. The snow level just has snow in every which way and the Tribal level has a temple as its center landmark but there are quite a few temples in that level that all look very similar, though the tribal level is the easiest to get around on. I believe what you said about the differences in gameplay to be true, but I don't think you were right in comparing their worlds' designs.
I wish the type of people who had your level of insight were also the types of people who generally made these types of analytical videos, because you clearly have a more lucid view of these two games than the person who made this video does.
@@tjp_real I’m talking about design, not size. The fact that Banjo has smaller levels does not mean they poorly designed. Also, Mario 64 has better level design than Yooka-Laylee does, too. Like I said, the Yooka levels are all messes. It’s really easy to get lost in them, which is actually made worse by their size.
@@xedusk the levels are cool. They look beautiful. Yes it takes some exploration, and memorising but you'll get it with time. That's what adventure games are about. Ofcourse banjo Kazooie maps gonna be small as fuck because that game is old as hell. You can't have those small maps today. That would be ridiculous.
Speed of traversal isn't the only measurement that matters. If I have a Lamborghini that can take me across a level in 10 seconds, that would suggest that the level is reasonably sized, but think about how much information is zooming past in those 10 seconds, compared with a level that takes 10 seconds to walk across.....I don't want my nerves to be stretched to their limits in trying to joyfully comprehend and explore a collectathon level....
Wonderful analysis! I just subscribed! And I'm the type who normally writes literal essays in youtube comments sections... but I just don't have anything to say here, because your analysis was too perfect!!! There's nothing to add and no contrary point I could make! Bravo!
Best review so far. I playeed Yooka Laylee and had a blast with it. I never got lost in the worlds. Sure, they are big, but they are not THAT massive to get lost. Awesome game
Best analysis of YookaLaylee I've seen on YT by far, and I've watched dozens of videos on YookaLaylee. I absolutely love YL and have definitely enjoyed my time with it so far. Now that you bring it up though, I would love to see a return of more action adventure elements that put BK and BT on the map. They really made the world feel alive. I felt the characters in this game weren't as memorable as in BK and BT but that could be nostalgia talking. Hard to say. Regardless, great video on a great game.
With Yooka, A Hat in Time and Psychonauts 2, exploration 3D platformers might finally make a comeback. The fact that 3D platforming in general was heavily refined in last couple years (Uncharted, Portal, Mirror's Edge) probably wouldn't hurt.
Why not do a SMM video about special mechanics in the SMW style? I can help: 1. The breakable blocks were replaced with blocks that return to their solid state after a while (when hit by shells) and the only way to break them fully are thwomps and skewers, or you can create a passage that needs a shell, so you can create a puzzle/shell dispenser hidden somewhere in the stage. 2. Give us some ideas with the cape and fire flower, for example Fire Flower Spin jump effects. 3. Spin jump.
Honestly, Yooka Laylee needed to do much more than just expansive world's to differentiate itself from Banjo Kazooie. But I'm not upset that the game turned out the way it did... I'll consider picking it up... that's if the Switch gets a competent port since Playtonic themselves is doing it. It's much better than Mighty No 9 at least... probably because Playtonic focused on the game itself and not try to make it a big media franchise before it even came out.
Thankful to see someone that's willing to put some thought into his arguments and enjoy something for what it is and not for what someone wants it to be. I loved Yooka too and I'm glad they went a slightly different direction.
Ceave you are one of the most creative and analytical channels that brings the same level of quality in each of your videos You convinced me to buy this game
Hey Ceave, did you back this game? The Banjo games are my all time favorites too, so I backed Yooka-Laylee. I'm getting the Switch version though, so I still have to be patient.
Banjo-Kazooie made absolutely clear where you're supposed to go and where you aren't. Everywhere you aren't allowed to go is blocked of by walls which 1) are too high to jump over, 2) have very even geometry with nothing sticking out and 3) *clearly* look like walls. Yooka-Laylee doesn't do that much of a good job at this. The boulders surrounding Tribal Stack Tropics, for example, look like they're *supposed* to be climbed. They consist of singular rocks, which stick out and tell you "go ahead, climb me", and when you try it, you actually succeed. This is the thing that most clearly separates Banjo-Kazooie and Yooka-Laylee for me. But I've never played either of these games, so of coures my opinion is worth jack shit.
As someone who's played and enjoyed all of the Rare collectathons, I can definitely say that it doesn't feel more similar to one of those classics over the other... it's more three parts mix, one part its own thing. Really hits the spot for me, as I love all of those yet a complete carbon copy would've seemed odd.
Halfway through I was gonna say something like ‘this just wanted to post a video about how he likes Yooka more than Banjo’ but I stuck with it and saw where you ended. Yooka didn’t vibe with me because I was looking for Banjo, it’s not the same game and I shouldn’t expect it to be
Good analysis, I haven't played the game but until now I feel that most of the reviews are very biased, each one compares Yooka Laylee with their own personal memory of Banjo Kazooie (that usually is heavily different than how really Banjo Kazooie is).
I have never played Banjo-Kazooie nor Yooka-Laylee, so I can't compare them by myself yet. But I think this video is really interesting and I enjoyed it a lot :3
I feel like the flight move in Yooka trivialized world traversal a little too much once you got it. At least in Banjo you could only fly from specific launch points.
Had a hard time figuring out just what was different, but you explained it really well. The worlds felt about as big as tooie or bigger, but for some reason they weren't nearly as bad to explore. I was pleasantly surprised to find the world exploration was fine. My biggest gripe with the game was mostly the character designs . They're just really ugly to me, but that's completely subjective. Worst thing gameplay wise is Rextro's challenges. Would have liked them to be more like Klungo's arcade with crappy pixel art and 8- bit music
A big reason why the areas seemed more empty to me, since the main enemy types in Yooka are relatively small. The grunts in Banjo are quite large, seemingly filling up spaces better.
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
So why is the game considered "controversial" because people say the worlds seem more like Banjo-Tooie worlds? Banjo-Tooie is still a Banjo-Kazooie game and is a great game so I don't see the problem if that was to be the case
It's like blaming Breath of the Wild for having no dungeons. Peoply can't judge games objectively for what they are, because they have expectations and compare them to other games they don't even try to be.
I played Yooka a bit via Steam, but immediately stopped pretty shortly afterwards. Not because of the game itself, but the fact that it is way too difficult to play using a keyboard; I need a controller for this kind of game.
It was just an observation. Wasn't saying anything negative or positive. But I couldn't figure out where does that accent come from before so, thanks, I guess
Dang, now I must add another new game to my library! Man those games are the exact type of games I like. Kinda like a puzzle-filled Super Mario Galaxy!
Great video and analysis. My only complaint is that I wish you would slow down just a bit. You present allot of great information, but you talk very fast and it can feel a little jarring.
having played neither of these games, but knowing enough about them to want to play them, i just wanted to say that watching footage of banjo-kazooie gameplay makes me think of DK64 (...probably because they were developed by the same company and most likely use the same game engine)
I think Kazooie's levels lack immersion because you can see everything from one place. In Banjo Tooie, you have so many seperate areas the worlds actually feel like places.
Very interesting video, thank you! I think one large call out that was missed is the visual style of Yooka, it's honestly pretty crap. I don't mean technically, but compositionally. Banjo makes use of contrast in a way that makes it very easy for the player to "read" the level, meanwhile in Yooka everything seems to blend into one. The casino level has to be one of the worst choices in texturing I have seen in a videogame to date, just nonsense metal everywhere, ugh
Loving the game! Just had to get used to the tough rolling controls (compared to Banjo Kazooies talon trot) At 75 pagies by now. Only thing that would make this perfect would be a few more different worlds instead of expanding levels. Going back and forth so much is a bit annoying to me. And the music is not even close to being as memorable as in Banjo Kazooie. And it is not just nostalgia talking :P The whole tone of the game is a lot darker. I hope a second game will emerge a few years from now :)
This makes sense, now. I think it’s this, combined with the expanding worlds mechanic, that make me not like Yooka. Which is a shame, because I really want to like Yooka.
The Problem with Yooka is that this was the first Banjo (esk) game that din't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was directed by him.
I was just watching videos of Yooka Laylee, I don't get why TH-camrs ripped on this this game so much. It seems to me at least fans of the genre seem to like this the most.
Little did some poor sighted people know,looking in the credits of Yooka Laylee and Banjo Kazooie,you can confirm that some modelers,programmers,and game designers from Rare made the game. Just those few people.
Honestly, my only real problem with Yooka is the boss fights. If they were going to do that type of terrible boss fight gimmicks they should had made a forum just for "ideas". Because if i was to ever play Yooka, i'd have to find someone to do the boss fights for me or not bother with them at all as they're really stupid. Dr. Robotnic had better boss fights and even the swinging ball on his pod was better than all the bosses in this game.
Casino, Swap, and final boss fight are all awsome. Space bossfight is okay. The first two are really dull, though. But how can you compare that to Banjo-Kazooie? This game had NO boss fights at all. Only that crate boss in Rusty Bucket Bay if you want to count it. Boss fights is a Banjo Tooie thing. And while some of them were good, they weren't close to be as good as some of the YL bosses. The Hex Hex Park and Jolly Roger's Lagoon bosses were HORRIBLE. Constantly moving up and down and sideways while you had to hit special areas with your super slow eggs being underwater or inflight.
I spent 1.5 hours flying around the generic spooky level trying to find the fucking Molly Cool and failed. Found a pirate treasure and charge powerup though, but not a single Mumbo Glowbo Token. That's not Banjo.
I don't see anything wrong with yooka laylee at all and I haven't played the game yet because I'm still waiting for the Nintendo Switch version to be released.
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
Also huge problem the amount of text noone want to read text for 15mins noone this could have been easily avoided by doing dubbing as the "bip, bop ,dam grr" will wear out pretty quickly as dubbing is not free it would have forced them to have less text.
even Conkers did better than that and other than 007 the world is not enough, i havent seen any n64 with actuall voice acting when it comes to characters speaking
the reason they feel different is because nostalga, because kazooie is nostalgic for many and yooka-laylee came out and was played by them as an adult so they dont have the same attachment, so it of course doesnt feel similar
this feels much more like advocacy propaganda for YookaLaylee than it does a genuine comparison of the way the two games feel to play. your comparison between capital cashino and Gobi's valley was meaningless, as it's not the literal size relative to the speed of your character that matters, but the way you're challenged to traverse the level that counts. Hell, in the clip you showed, Banjo was forced to traverse several platforms and obstacles in order to reach the other side of the map, showing that the character mechanics and level design were in sync to keep the player attentive and engaged, while in capital cashino you were literally able to use the rolling move to cross the entire level on a flat plane without any obstacles whatsoever. being able to achieve such a thing does not speak to engaging level design.
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
No, sorry, I have to disagree with you. I don't think the level design is anywhere as good in Yooka as it was in Banjo, not only because of the size, but because the point of interst in the middle of the stage isn't really all that noticeable or well incooperated. The temple in the first world really doesn't stand out all that much, its not even all that important or memorable when it comes to the tasks you have to do in those worlds. You skim over a lot of important aspects in your "analysis", like how the transformations barely give the levels a good twist (they are all pretty terrible), how the faster movement speed actually affects platforming and combat, how the NPCs are build into those worlds, what makes them memorable in Banjo and what makes them so blant and forgetabe in Yooka. Also, the minigames are just aweful...
But how can we use this in our Mario Maker levels?
We cant but we can try YOOKA LAYLLIE MARIO MAKER LEVELS HERE WE COME
I mean, we could create a central point with landmarks and such now that I think about it.
Might be worth a shot, in fact.
I don't really know if you can. Mario levels are more about moving forward and getting to the end instead of exploring a world, so there is no need for landmarks in most cases.
MayroSMM did you mean like a red coin level? (There is a red coin in each part of the level and to get it you need to beat a challenge or to solve a puzzle)
The landmark in these levels is usually a room with doors/pipes and a checkpoint to save the red coins you have collected. I suppose you already knew that, but for some strange reason I wanted to explain it😅
I know you mayro!
assuming this games gets a sequel, i hope they ditch the whole expanding worlds idea and give a larger variety of worlds to explore.
I hope they stop putting in challenges that require you to have an ability from way forward in the game. I like to complete a level all at once, like how I would in Banjo-Kazooie, but they were forcing me to leave and then come back much later. The first world, for instance, has a challenge you can't complete until you get the ability that helps you get into the third stage and one where you need the ability that gets you into the fourth stage. I found myself getting just enough Pagies to get into the next world and not coming back until I had all the abilities, just in case I would stumble upon a challenge that needed me to have one of them.
+03bgood Yeah, but those changes were for the better. That doesn't mean all changes are good.
A lot of the first games in a series are different than the others.
Kirby Dream Land 1 didn't have the copy ability.
Sonic 1 didn't have the spin dash (not counting re-releases) and only contained six Chaos Emeralds. Instead of the usual seven, as well as no Super Sonic.
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow didn't have "special attack" and "special defense" categories and Pokemon didn't have genders. Gen 2 introduced both.
Mega Man 1 used a score system. MM2-6 ditched the idea.
The first Animal Crossing game used acres (similar to the 2D Zelda games) and contained several unlockable NES games.
Banjo-Kazooie had a life system. Banjo-Tooie ditched it, same with DK64.
Mario Party 1 took coins away from the player, if they lost some of the mini-games. None of the other games do that.
Yooka-Laylee shouldn't try and boast about how you can play it in any order you want if you can't, though. Like, seriously; they even boast about that during the loading screen.
If Yooka-Laylee had been it's own game. It would've actually gotten praise. People seem to criticize it because it's trying to be like Banjo-Kazooie and it's not. It looks like a decent game. Not saying it could top Banjo-Kaoozie but it's at least a lot better than Nuts & Bolts, AKA Banjo Kazooie: Minecraft Edition. I mean if BoTW tried to be like OoT, people would've gave it the same reception as TP, which tried to be like OoT. At least MM, WW, and SS were their own games.
Man I Really Love This GUY!!! He Just So Positive
King David I agree he makes great content and makes very clever circuits in SMM
Yeah, unlike those stupid ass CoD fanboys and critics, who hate the game for no good reasons, other than legit gameplay issues.
Great analysis! I've never actually played the original Banjo-Kazooie, but I absolutely love Banjo-Tooie to pieces. While I'll probably enjoy Yooka Laylee too, I'll wait until the price drops.
romantiCaveman pretty much tooie had a central point of reference, like Pterodactyland the mountain, and mayan mahem had the Ziggurat glitter gulch mine didn't have a central focus but the mini games destroy yooka and so does the bosses
what is the issue was that the world size took away a more fleshed out adventure, banjo feels like banjo because its not platform heavy but yooka is, controlwise banjo was easier to control, yooka laylee was too fast and that spells trouble for precise platforming, the speed rings are f*king ridiculous and 5 levels was a bad move in retrospect, what is also stupid was not having warps, dont matter if you have the same layout as Kazooie this will help the issue of not being like banjo (it still played like banjo but playtesting was likely seldom done during development, such as the minecart mini games (oh my f*king god!) was that a good idea? having 5 levels with expansion was new but horribly flawed concept. especially when the current gameplay is not convincing... but 5 vs 10 is a tradeoff that was foolish to make. plus it keeps things interesting in that you don't want the player to think that this game is like gex (64 had 8 levels) thats why 10 levels was nedded , to avoid becoming stale in the first place.
to further my point, there was a reason master jiggywiggy was a central location for jigsaw puzzles, it was to resolve backtracking though the overworld for click clock wood.
yooka laylee also should have a place where the tomes could be upgraded rather than head back (without warping to the world entry) only to further a story plot convenience but this created arbitrarily stopping what you were doing and then backtrack to the world entry all to expand a world? why not have a central location in the world to expand the world from the inside? then the journey is less thanks to marking points of the world with warp pads!
romantiCaveman you need to play the 1st one
romantiCaveman you can get yooka for $30 if you have amazon prime :)
I m surprised you didn't talk about Banjo-Tooie during this video. Considering I like it more then the first one. My favorite part of Banjo-Tooie are the bosses which are a big step up from Banjo-Kazooie's and a lot are very memorable. Plus one of the boss themes for Weldar is my favorite track in the game.
Banjo-Tooie is pretty much the best video game of all time imo. So much imagination and height, looking around you see bendy worlds and paths everywhere with great challenges. It's sad to see people stray away from good gaming these days. People are abandoning the good industry for lesser games. All the different themes and atmospheres within Banjo-Tooie are amazing.
I don't think Yooka-Laylee really follows Banjo-Kazooie's level design the way you say it does. You said that Yooka-Laylee has one big landmark in the middle of the stage that helps you to find out where you are by using it as a point of reference, like in Banjo-Kazooie, but I think you neglected to mention that everything around that landmark looks the same and each landmark doesn't have an easily spot-able front. The fountain in the Casino level, for instance, is surrounded by a bunch of gold building that all more or less look the same. The snow level just has snow in every which way and the Tribal level has a temple as its center landmark but there are quite a few temples in that level that all look very similar, though the tribal level is the easiest to get around on. I believe what you said about the differences in gameplay to be true, but I don't think you were right in comparing their worlds' designs.
Also, the fountain can't be seen unless you're close to it
I wish the type of people who had your level of insight were also the types of people who generally made these types of analytical videos, because you clearly have a more lucid view of these two games than the person who made this video does.
Banjo has small mario 64 world's. Yooka Laylee world's are a million times better. If you think they are not, stop taking drugs.
@@tjp_real I’m talking about design, not size. The fact that Banjo has smaller levels does not mean they poorly designed.
Also, Mario 64 has better level design than Yooka-Laylee does, too.
Like I said, the Yooka levels are all messes. It’s really easy to get lost in them, which is actually made worse by their size.
@@xedusk the levels are cool. They look beautiful. Yes it takes some exploration, and memorising but you'll get it with time. That's what adventure games are about. Ofcourse banjo Kazooie maps gonna be small as fuck because that game is old as hell. You can't have those small maps today. That would be ridiculous.
8:50 In the captions it says "maybe you feel especially Mumbo Jumbo today and want to hit the subscribe button"
Speed of traversal isn't the only measurement that matters. If I have a Lamborghini that can take me across a level in 10 seconds, that would suggest that the level is reasonably sized, but think about how much information is zooming past in those 10 seconds, compared with a level that takes 10 seconds to walk across.....I don't want my nerves to be stretched to their limits in trying to joyfully comprehend and explore a collectathon level....
Wonderful analysis! I just subscribed! And I'm the type who normally writes literal essays in youtube comments sections... but I just don't have anything to say here, because your analysis was too perfect!!! There's nothing to add and no contrary point I could make! Bravo!
as a person growing up with classic crash and spyro i felt right at home with this game
Best review so far. I playeed Yooka Laylee and had a blast with it. I never got lost in the worlds. Sure, they are big, but they are not THAT massive to get lost. Awesome game
Ceave I just want to say you put a lot of effort into your videos and they are enjoyable. Thanks for making them!
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Best analysis of YookaLaylee I've seen on YT by far, and I've watched dozens of videos on YookaLaylee. I absolutely love YL and have definitely enjoyed my time with it so far. Now that you bring it up though, I would love to see a return of more action adventure elements that put BK and BT on the map. They really made the world feel alive. I felt the characters in this game weren't as memorable as in BK and BT but that could be nostalgia talking. Hard to say. Regardless, great video on a great game.
finally a guy who realises the true potential of yooka laylee and doesnt hate it for its shitty camera as everyone does
With Yooka, A Hat in Time and Psychonauts 2, exploration 3D platformers might finally make a comeback. The fact that 3D platforming in general was heavily refined in last couple years (Uncharted, Portal, Mirror's Edge) probably wouldn't hurt.
Why not do a SMM video about special mechanics in the SMW style? I can help:
1. The breakable blocks were replaced with blocks that return to their solid state after a while (when hit by shells) and the only way to break them fully are thwomps and skewers, or you can create a passage that needs a shell, so you can create a puzzle/shell dispenser hidden somewhere in the stage.
2. Give us some ideas with the cape and fire flower, for example Fire Flower Spin jump effects.
3. Spin jump.
Honestly, Yooka Laylee needed to do much more than just expansive world's to differentiate itself from Banjo Kazooie. But I'm not upset that the game turned out the way it did... I'll consider picking it up... that's if the Switch gets a competent port since Playtonic themselves is doing it. It's much better than Mighty No 9 at least... probably because Playtonic focused on the game itself and not try to make it a big media franchise before it even came out.
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Thankful to see someone that's willing to put some thought into his arguments and enjoy something for what it is and not for what someone wants it to be. I loved Yooka too and I'm glad they went a slightly different direction.
Spot on analysis! you got yourself a subscriber 😁
1:48 "FRANCEY FROZEN PEAK"?!
Which pair would win in a fight though?
It's time for a DEATH BATTLE!
Do Banjo-Tooie vs. Tooka-Laylee once the latter comes out. (If it ever does)
Ceave you are one of the most creative and analytical channels that brings the same level of quality in each of your videos
You convinced me to buy this game
Hey Ceave, did you back this game? The Banjo games are my all time favorites too, so I backed Yooka-Laylee. I'm getting the Switch version though, so I still have to be patient.
I'm gonna try out Yooka Laylee looks good. I like platforming games so thanks for the info!
Theres a new Yooka Laylee called Yooka Laylee Looks Good? Nah.
Wut
Banjo-Kazooie made absolutely clear where you're supposed to go and where you aren't. Everywhere you aren't allowed to go is blocked of by walls which 1) are too high to jump over, 2) have very even geometry with nothing sticking out and 3) *clearly* look like walls.
Yooka-Laylee doesn't do that much of a good job at this. The boulders surrounding Tribal Stack Tropics, for example, look like they're *supposed* to be climbed. They consist of singular rocks, which stick out and tell you "go ahead, climb me", and when you try it, you actually succeed.
This is the thing that most clearly separates Banjo-Kazooie and Yooka-Laylee for me. But I've never played either of these games, so of coures my opinion is worth jack shit.
As someone who's played and enjoyed all of the Rare collectathons, I can definitely say that it doesn't feel more similar to one of those classics over the other... it's more three parts mix, one part its own thing. Really hits the spot for me, as I love all of those yet a complete carbon copy would've seemed odd.
Halfway through I was gonna say something like ‘this just wanted to post a video about how he likes Yooka more than Banjo’ but I stuck with it and saw where you ended. Yooka didn’t vibe with me because I was looking for Banjo, it’s not the same game and I shouldn’t expect it to be
12 comments: only one of them is actually about the video. TH-cam logic
And you happen to have two not about it.
Oh nvm 3
I like how three of them are from you
Yeah but theres only one comment on this video thats even remotely about this video. And that comment says "Banjo Laylee"
Good analysis, I haven't played the game but until now I feel that most of the reviews are very biased, each one compares Yooka Laylee with their own personal memory of Banjo Kazooie (that usually is heavily different than how really Banjo Kazooie is).
Clickbaiters.
thank ceave! For showing how much designing and thinking went into all these great games. :)
I have never played Banjo-Kazooie nor Yooka-Laylee, so I can't compare them by myself yet.
But I think this video is really interesting and I enjoyed it a lot :3
If I like Yooka-Laylee and the first 3 Spyro games, would I like Banjo Kazooie/Tooie? Plus, I hope they make a Tooka-Laylee!
Within the first 5 minuets of playing, I discovered that if you jump then attack, you can get up certain slopes.
I feel like the flight move in Yooka trivialized world traversal a little too much once you got it. At least in Banjo you could only fly from specific launch points.
Had a hard time figuring out just what was different, but you explained it really well. The worlds felt about as big as tooie or bigger, but for some reason they weren't nearly as bad to explore. I was pleasantly surprised to find the world exploration was fine. My biggest gripe with the game was mostly the character designs . They're just really ugly to me, but that's completely subjective. Worst thing gameplay wise is Rextro's challenges. Would have liked them to be more like Klungo's arcade with crappy pixel art and 8- bit music
music credits?
One of the few reasonable analysises I`ve seen for this game.
A big reason why the areas seemed more empty to me, since the main enemy types in Yooka are relatively small. The grunts in Banjo are quite large, seemingly filling up spaces better.
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
Yooka Laylee is amazing :) I don't understand all the people complaining or nitpicking about it. Great video, Ceave!
who does the thumbnails?
Nobody ever forgets about snorkel
So why is the game considered "controversial" because people say the worlds seem more like Banjo-Tooie worlds? Banjo-Tooie is still a Banjo-Kazooie game and is a great game so I don't see the problem if that was to be the case
It's like blaming Breath of the Wild for having no dungeons. Peoply can't judge games objectively for what they are, because they have expectations and compare them to other games they don't even try to be.
I played Yooka a bit via Steam, but immediately stopped pretty shortly afterwards. Not because of the game itself, but the fact that it is way too difficult to play using a keyboard; I need a controller for this kind of game.
Take a shot every time Ceave pronounces the "ch"
Sacha Scharovsky I guess he is from Germany
It was just an observation. Wasn't saying anything negative or positive. But I couldn't figure out where does that accent come from before so, thanks, I guess
Dang, now I must add another new game to my library! Man those games are the exact type of games I like. Kinda like a puzzle-filled Super Mario Galaxy!
Great video and analysis. My only complaint is that I wish you would slow down just a bit. You present allot of great information, but you talk very fast and it can feel a little jarring.
having played neither of these games, but knowing enough about them to want to play them, i just wanted to say that watching footage of banjo-kazooie gameplay makes me think of DK64 (...probably because they were developed by the same company and most likely use the same game engine)
I think Kazooie's levels lack immersion because you can see everything from one place. In Banjo Tooie, you have so many seperate areas the worlds actually feel like places.
Very interesting video, thank you!
I think one large call out that was missed is the visual style of Yooka, it's honestly pretty crap. I don't mean technically, but compositionally. Banjo makes use of contrast in a way that makes it very easy for the player to "read" the level, meanwhile in Yooka everything seems to blend into one. The casino level has to be one of the worst choices in texturing I have seen in a videogame to date, just nonsense metal everywhere, ugh
Loving the game! Just had to get used to the tough rolling controls (compared to Banjo Kazooies talon trot) At 75 pagies by now. Only thing that would make this perfect would be a few more different worlds instead of expanding levels. Going back and forth so much is a bit annoying to me. And the music is not even close to being as memorable as in Banjo Kazooie. And it is not just nostalgia talking :P The whole tone of the game is a lot darker. I hope a second game will emerge a few years from now :)
This makes sense, now. I think it’s this, combined with the expanding worlds mechanic, that make me not like Yooka.
Which is a shame, because I really want to like Yooka.
The Problem with Yooka is that this was the first Banjo (esk) game that din't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was directed by him.
I guess I'm a part of the minority who prefers Tooie over Kazooie. Hmm.
My favorite character of Yooka Laylee is Shovel Night
I might consider getting the game
I heared theres a banjo kazooie level editor named banjos backpack
I was just watching videos of Yooka Laylee, I don't get why TH-camrs ripped on this this game so much. It seems to me at least fans of the genre seem to like this the most.
BANJO LAYLEE
There needs to be a Crossover game someday
Yes, make Banjo-Laylee/Yooka-Kazooie a thing! :D
Benjo Kassui
Little did some poor sighted people know,looking in the credits of Yooka Laylee and Banjo Kazooie,you can confirm that some modelers,programmers,and game designers from Rare made the game.
Just those few people.
I'm early better make a joke: The lack of comments that are actually about the video
Boorider7 You are expected to watch the video at least an hour from it's publishing, when TH-cam starts recommending it. So early is correct.
Your's isnt either. Also: So?
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Yooka Laylee is Literally Banjo mixed with jak and daxtar!
Looks like this is one of those games that combine aspects from other games: Yooka-Laylee is a bit Banjo-Kazooie and a bit Crash Bandicoot.
Hey Ceave! could you try my level? I made it only for your speed run challenge
Honestly, my only real problem with Yooka is the boss fights. If they were going to do that type of terrible boss fight gimmicks they should had made a forum just for "ideas". Because if i was to ever play Yooka, i'd have to find someone to do the boss fights for me or not bother with them at all as they're really stupid. Dr. Robotnic had better boss fights and even the swinging ball on his pod was better than all the bosses in this game.
Casino, Swap, and final boss fight are all awsome. Space bossfight is okay. The first two are really dull, though. But how can you compare that to Banjo-Kazooie? This game had NO boss fights at all. Only that crate boss in Rusty Bucket Bay if you want to count it. Boss fights is a Banjo Tooie thing. And while some of them were good, they weren't close to be as good as some of the YL bosses. The Hex Hex Park and Jolly Roger's Lagoon bosses were HORRIBLE. Constantly moving up and down and sideways while you had to hit special areas with your super slow eggs being underwater or inflight.
This video set out to say Yooka/Laylee's design is good and then cherry picked what it needed to get that result.
I spent 1.5 hours flying around the generic spooky level trying to find the fucking Molly Cool and failed. Found a pirate treasure and charge powerup though, but not a single Mumbo Glowbo Token. That's not Banjo.
HEY CEAVE
I don't see anything wrong with yooka laylee at all and I haven't played the game yet because I'm still waiting for the Nintendo Switch version to be released.
man this would definitely would make me buy this game if I had a fast enough computer
it's on console too, it's available on ps4, xbone, and will be available on switch later this year
Shoo hoo I love xbone!
So do people not like just because it's it's own thing and not a rip off?
I'm just going to put Nuts & Bolts here and leave...
I like tooie's world design
Yuo are a smart man!
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No, I don't agree, Yooka Laylee is a bad, uninspired boring game.
It's one of the more boring generic 3D platformers I ever played. You can tell the devs hated having to make this
I agree massively
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
Also huge problem the amount of text noone want to read text for 15mins noone this could have been easily avoided by doing dubbing as the "bip, bop ,dam grr" will wear out pretty quickly as dubbing is not free it would have forced them to have less text.
am i the only one who noticed that both yooka layliee are both NAKED!!??
and for such a high end game the makers didnt bother adding voice acting
even Conkers did better than that and other than 007 the world is not enough, i havent seen any n64 with actuall voice acting when it comes to characters speaking
i want banjo-lele
the reason they feel different is because nostalga, because kazooie is nostalgic for many and yooka-laylee came out and was played by them as an adult so they dont have the same attachment, so it of course doesnt feel similar
Yooka Laylee is Literally Banjo mixed with jak and daxtar;
"Tight controls."
Pfft.
this feels much more like advocacy propaganda for YookaLaylee than it does a genuine comparison of the way the two games feel to play. your comparison between capital cashino and Gobi's valley was meaningless, as it's not the literal size relative to the speed of your character that matters, but the way you're challenged to traverse the level that counts. Hell, in the clip you showed, Banjo was forced to traverse several platforms and obstacles in order to reach the other side of the map, showing that the character mechanics and level design were in sync to keep the player attentive and engaged, while in capital cashino you were literally able to use the rolling move to cross the entire level on a flat plane without any obstacles whatsoever. being able to achieve such a thing does not speak to engaging level design.
oh wow
YookaZoui
Yooka Laylee is a modern and improved version. It's better than Banjo Kazooie in every way.
The biggest Problem with Yooka Lay lee is that this was the first Banjo Kazooie Type of game that didn't have Greg Mayles involved. Every Banjo game including nuts and bolts was all directed by him.
@@orangeslash1667 there is nothing wrong with Yooka Laylee. It's just clickbaiters and payed off reviewers.
@@tjp_real Oh My mistake I thought you disliked Yooka never mind.
@@orangeslash1667 what made you think i disliked it when I said it's a improved modern banjo version.
@@tjp_real I didn't read it fully,
No, sorry, I have to disagree with you. I don't think the level design is anywhere as good in Yooka as it was in Banjo, not only because of the size, but because the point of interst in the middle of the stage isn't really all that noticeable or well incooperated. The temple in the first world really doesn't stand out all that much, its not even all that important or memorable when it comes to the tasks you have to do in those worlds. You skim over a lot of important aspects in your "analysis", like how the transformations barely give the levels a good twist (they are all pretty terrible), how the faster movement speed actually affects platforming and combat, how the NPCs are build into those worlds, what makes them memorable in Banjo and what makes them so blant and forgetabe in Yooka.
Also, the minigames are just aweful...
LOL YOU KEEP CALLING IT "BANJO AND KAZOOIE" EVEN THOUGH ITS NAME IS BANJO-KAZOOIE.
cool
I disagree!
Banshan K'ssoy
TL;DW: Yooka-Laylee is great, but is not Banjo-Threeie.
2 things I hate about Yooka-Laylee
1.Rextro
2.Camera angles
All the bad reviews were utter bullshit. Nothing but clickbaiter crap.
notifacation squad
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3rd!!!