I can't speak for them but doubt they are adding any compression at all. In fact, either they are decrypting the disc and copying the files over 1:1, or they are copying the disc in its entirety and on the drive, it is treated as a drive/disc. If your disc is 30 gigs, on the NAS it should be about the same.
i love this! i’ve been waiting for something like this. the amount of work they put into everything is super impressive. i can feel the passion behind the products. i can’t wait for reviews on the equipment. i already have a panasonic 820 but man this gives you so much more. i’ll definitely be upgrading.
Isn't this rebranded Zappiti? These things have always intrigued me but, in reality, who is this for? I have Kaleidescape now but with this unit I would need to purchase 4K discs which a lot of times are rather expensive if you can find them, rip them, and have a server 24/7 with third party software?
@@PaulXMann Zappiti also left thier base hanging with unsupported devices and no more cloud services the devices depended on, and then popped back up as R_Volution a few months later. R_volution offered a solution to keep your zapitti working but at a monthly cost. Kind of a slap in the face to dedicated Zapitti users. Espeically since R_Volution is the same product, rebranded with same owners. I would have a hard time buying any of thier products if there is a chance of going out of business again. If anyone is wanting something like this I would go with a Zidoo or Dune instead, very similar devices and they have been in steady business for a while now. I have a Zidoo 8K Z3000 Pro, it works pretty good...but they all can be buggy to an extent, even the R_Voolution players.
Well it looks very much like my defunct Zappiti Reference with a new badge on it. I'm sure many (including myself) wouldnt touch these as they still rely with 'online' for library updating - just like the Zappiti. Of course with Zappiti that stopped when the company ceased trading. Now you can pay a subscription to RVolution to use the app that comes for free in the (look very much like rebaged Zappiti ) models. I'd personally not want to take that risk again.
Yes, rebranded Zappiti. It will have the exact same issues when they inevitably shut down as well. To be fair, though, if you're a Kalediescape user, you invested substantially more than it would ever cost to buy 4K discs and host a server. SSDs are dirt cheap at this point, and Plex is 100% free for access anywhere you have internet.
@@av_nirvana thanks for the clarification. They should offer that to their lineup to streamline the process. Especially for those of us who aren’t as tech savvy. I’m sure they would seek a lot more units. Thanks again
@@JasonSmith-vo1yf for sure! It’s pretty straight forward. The drive is just an outboard Blu-ray drive that connects via USB. I think it’s pretty nice plug and play…
R_volution has a unit that does this. It's not available in the US tho. US legislation preventing it here. Agreed, it would greatly simplify the process!
Certainly considerably more reasonable a way to get into a viewing system like this than Kaleidescape. Kaleidescape is great and all but for $10-$20 grand you have to spend on hardware you can buy a metric buttload of Blu-ray discs, especially if you get them on sale. Only downside is the impending doom of physical media. Also, ripping them into a digital file takes a while, but it can be made pretty hands off - insert disc and wait.
@@KimmoJaskari what happens to your catalog if Kaleidescope goes belly up? If you didn't invest the 5 figures or more to store them all and download them you lose them according to their SLA and get stuck with a doorstop.
@@lloydchristmas4561 The exact same thing would happen in the case of this product - just like it did when they were called Zappiti, and had to shut down. All the people who invested in the system were SOL when it came time to accessing their stored media. You're 100% better off backing up your media on your own storage. There's literally no call for this in 2024, when SSDs and cloud storage cost next to nothing.
Seems questionable that hardware capable of circumventing copy protection on blurays wouldn't be met with significant legal hurdles. Ask Kaleidescape. In fact, it would not surprise to see Kaleidescape point the finger at this with the money they spent with studios to be in business.
As it is sold, it is not capable of ripping a disc. The consumer has to take the action to make it possible. In the end, the fact that US law hasn’t found a way to balance consumer rights to make a copy of their own discs, is simply shameful. A legacy of the DCMA…. Note that there are many other things a person can use in an illegal way that we don’t stop them from being sold.
@@derekharrell9116 That argument would not survive litigation. It's clear, just from this video, the intended and marketed use of the product. While it may not have hit content owner radars, it certainly hits the radar of entities such as Kaleidescape who have previously litigated this issue and paid significant sums to resolve claims made by content/copyright owners. Two words , "What's this?" to the respective entity controlling rights and it's stormy seas ahead. The costs of litigating the matter alone would bankrupt this company, and in some cases, that just may be the point. The argument that items are used outside their intended purpose is simple ignorance. The intended purpose of this is what it is and it is directly marketed as such.
@@lloydchristmas4561 the intended purpose is to store content. Based on your argument, every manufacturer that enables the streaming of content, which could contain “illegally ripped” videos is at risk, i.e. NVidia, Plex, Zidoo, Dune, and many others. This model specially had items removed to be in compliance with the law.
@@derekharrell9116 Powerful 8-bay NAS with RIP function to back up your DVD, Blu-ray Blu-ray 3D and 4K UHD discs. Yes, RIP function certainly defines the purpose being intended as storage of media. Would the device store media without functionally breaking the encrypted content of a commercial disc? Yes, it would. When you pass the bar, come see me.
@@derekharrell9116 right . Thats why their product description is as follows: Back-Up and Store your Video Discs. Powerful 8-bay NAS with RIP function to back up your DVD, Blu-ray Blu-ray 3D and 4K UHD discs. An optical drive which allows the copying of content which circumvents encryption is not required to store media, and that in and of itself runs afoul of several US laws. Those of us who litigate for a living understand such things.
You should give it a try! Both the video and audio are remarkably better on physical media and easily noticeable. When you go back to streaming, you basically just have to ignore all the problems. Like, it’s THAT noticeable.
What is the file and compression used when ripping a movie?
I can't speak for them but doubt they are adding any compression at all. In fact, either they are decrypting the disc and copying the files over 1:1, or they are copying the disc in its entirety and on the drive, it is treated as a drive/disc. If your disc is 30 gigs, on the NAS it should be about the same.
@Saintel I saw a review of the ripper and it was implied no compression is used.
i love this! i’ve been waiting for something like this. the amount of work they put into everything is super impressive. i can feel the passion behind the products. i can’t wait for reviews on the equipment. i already have a panasonic 820 but man this gives you so much more. i’ll definitely be upgrading.
@@quiensabenada I guess the only reason you’d want to stick with the Panasonic is if you need its onboard tone mapping.
Just bought the 8k Pro model, any idea how would be the best way to rip blue rays 4k uhd ? Please help.
Hi Raphael, it is possible to copy a ripped movie from a computer share to the Pro 8k internal HDDs using Samba? Thank you!
Will be buying the 8k signature soon.
Sweet
Isn't this rebranded Zappiti? These things have always intrigued me but, in reality, who is this for? I have Kaleidescape now but with this unit I would need to purchase 4K discs which a lot of times are rather expensive if you can find them, rip them, and have a server 24/7 with third party software?
The Kaleidescape experience definitely offers another level of convenience that's super nice.
FWIW, Zappiti went out of business in 2023.
@@PaulXMann Zappiti also left thier base hanging with unsupported devices and no more cloud services the devices depended on, and then popped back up as R_Volution a few months later. R_volution offered a solution to keep your zapitti working but at a monthly cost. Kind of a slap in the face to dedicated Zapitti users. Espeically since R_Volution is the same product, rebranded with same owners. I would have a hard time buying any of thier products if there is a chance of going out of business again. If anyone is wanting something like this I would go with a Zidoo or Dune instead, very similar devices and they have been in steady business for a while now. I have a Zidoo 8K Z3000 Pro, it works pretty good...but they all can be buggy to an extent, even the R_Voolution players.
Well it looks very much like my defunct Zappiti Reference with a new badge on it. I'm sure many (including myself) wouldnt touch these as they still rely with 'online' for library updating - just like the Zappiti. Of course with Zappiti that stopped when the company ceased trading. Now you can pay a subscription to RVolution to use the app that comes for free in the (look very much like rebaged Zappiti ) models. I'd personally not want to take that risk again.
Yes, rebranded Zappiti. It will have the exact same issues when they inevitably shut down as well. To be fair, though, if you're a Kalediescape user, you invested substantially more than it would ever cost to buy 4K discs and host a server. SSDs are dirt cheap at this point, and Plex is 100% free for access anywhere you have internet.
I wonder why they still refrain from adding 3D frame packing?
@@Arun43647 good question!
Do any of these devices have a player/reader bay that you can insert the disk and it will download the content into the hard drive.
@@JasonSmith-vo1yf No. If you want to add media to them, you have to buy an external drive
@@av_nirvana thanks for the clarification. They should offer that to their lineup to streamline the process. Especially for those of us who aren’t as tech savvy. I’m sure they would seek a lot more units. Thanks again
@@JasonSmith-vo1yf for sure! It’s pretty straight forward. The drive is just an outboard Blu-ray drive that connects via USB. I think it’s pretty nice plug and play…
They do have a NAS with built-in drive.
R_volution has a unit that does this. It's not available in the US tho. US legislation preventing it here. Agreed, it would greatly simplify the process!
Certainly considerably more reasonable a way to get into a viewing system like this than Kaleidescape. Kaleidescape is great and all but for $10-$20 grand you have to spend on hardware you can buy a metric buttload of Blu-ray discs, especially if you get them on sale. Only downside is the impending doom of physical media. Also, ripping them into a digital file takes a while, but it can be made pretty hands off - insert disc and wait.
Huge cost difference between the two products. No doubt about it
@@KimmoJaskari what happens to your catalog if Kaleidescope goes belly up? If you didn't invest the 5 figures or more to store them all and download them you lose them according to their SLA and get stuck with a doorstop.
@@lloydchristmas4561 The exact same thing would happen in the case of this product - just like it did when they were called Zappiti, and had to shut down. All the people who invested in the system were SOL when it came time to accessing their stored media. You're 100% better off backing up your media on your own storage. There's literally no call for this in 2024, when SSDs and cloud storage cost next to nothing.
Too much time, effort and expense and by the time you have your entire collection ripped a new technology will come out
@@boba2783 there is that side to it.. it will take months to rip a large collection of Blu-ray and 4K discs…
hmm.. a power supply cannot reduce grains in image quality. HDMI is digital. That's marketing fluff 😒
I really like that miniplayer but why the hell did they made it 4K? They neutered it and I don't like that.
Seems questionable that hardware capable of circumventing copy protection on blurays wouldn't be met with significant legal hurdles. Ask Kaleidescape. In fact, it would not surprise to see Kaleidescape point the finger at this with the money they spent with studios to be in business.
As it is sold, it is not capable of ripping a disc. The consumer has to take the action to make it possible.
In the end, the fact that US law hasn’t found a way to balance consumer rights to make a copy of their own discs, is simply shameful. A legacy of the DCMA…. Note that there are many other things a person can use in an illegal way that we don’t stop them from being sold.
@@derekharrell9116 That argument would not survive litigation. It's clear, just from this video, the intended and marketed use of the product. While it may not have hit content owner radars, it certainly hits the radar of entities such as Kaleidescape who have previously litigated this issue and paid significant sums to resolve claims made by content/copyright owners. Two words , "What's this?" to the respective entity controlling rights and it's stormy seas ahead. The costs of litigating the matter alone would bankrupt this company, and in some cases, that just may be the point. The argument that items are used outside their intended purpose is simple ignorance. The intended purpose of this is what it is and it is directly marketed as such.
@@lloydchristmas4561 the intended purpose is to store content. Based on your argument, every manufacturer that enables the streaming of content, which could contain “illegally ripped” videos is at risk, i.e. NVidia, Plex, Zidoo, Dune, and many others. This model specially had items removed to be in compliance with the law.
@@derekharrell9116 Powerful 8-bay NAS with RIP function to back up your DVD, Blu-ray Blu-ray 3D and 4K UHD discs. Yes, RIP function certainly defines the purpose being intended as storage of media. Would the device store media without functionally breaking the encrypted content of a commercial disc? Yes, it would. When you pass the bar, come see me.
@@derekharrell9116 right . Thats why their product description is as follows: Back-Up and Store your Video Discs.
Powerful 8-bay NAS with RIP function to back up your DVD, Blu-ray Blu-ray 3D and 4K UHD discs.
An optical drive which allows the copying of content which circumvents encryption is not required to store media, and that in and of itself runs afoul of several US laws. Those of us who litigate for a living understand such things.
I don't even remember the last time I used physical media.
@@nick92065 consumers have been happily consuming compressed audio and video for decades now as it's "good enough". Same goes for Jack in the Box.
people have been consuming compressed and lossy audio and video for decades as "good enough", as they have Jack in the Box for the same reason.
You should give it a try! Both the video and audio are remarkably better on physical media and easily noticeable.
When you go back to streaming, you basically just have to ignore all the problems.
Like, it’s THAT noticeable.
It’s time to return to the best source you can get your hands on… Kscape or disc.
It’s the only way to go! 🎉
@@av_nirvana disc for me!