My Mondeo ST220 And Checks To Do Before Buying A Car
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2020
- Here's my Mondeo ST220. In this video, we'll look at a common problem with the 3.0 liter V6 Mondeo called "Moosing" I'll be sorting this out in a future video. I'll share what checks I do before I buy a second hand vehicle.
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The diesel version was just called "ST tdci" The ST200 was the mk2 modeo.. Apart from that little nit pick, enjoy the car Martin, I had the ST tdci and it was and still is, the best all round car I've ever had.. Great looks, great handling, and great power.. even for as diesel.. I did drive the 3.0 V6 ST that a friend had, which was very nice and powerful, but very very thirsty.. I eventually got rid of mine, as it was getting on and becoming a money pit.. but i do miss it..
Thanks for the information Martin and letting us people know what to look out for especially for us at a young age keep up the hard work and thanks for the content stay safe and take care
my bro had this before he passed away what a weapon of a car fun to be in and the power there for when you needed , going to be looking one in the future for myself thanks for the tips marty hope you enjoy for years to come and they are going to be a collectors item in the future ENJOY sir
I think Savage Garage might be a little jealous of your Mondeo, he should have went for the st220 also 👍
Agreed lol
I do like the st220, i will own one at some point! But i do also love my choo choo diesel :D
@@TheSavageGarage hi James, there is a saying with these cars, st220 onwers smiles per miles but ST TDCI owners spend less time fueling up lol
"should have went" ??
Did you go to school ?
Im jealous. Dont think you can one in U.S
A pleasure to watch and listen to Martin. I think you are a natural in front of the camera and plenty of interesting content👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always and Chazz Coombes is the top man to go to mondeo help and tips hes helped me countless of times when I had my mondeo
Hiya bro, cheers for that.
Excellent points. Always hard to tell for me unless the car has an actual oil pressure gauge. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the info on the mot checker Martin. I've learnt something new today! Stay safe.
Glad to help Barbara
Don't worry about being called a Boy Racer Martin.
No boy racer could afford the insurance on a 3L V6 😂😂😂
They normally buy 1.2L stick a big exhaust on it.
Cracking car mate, lovely 👍
So true, lol
Cracking idea for assessing a car for purchase. Its a big move for most. You probably saved quite a lot of people a lot of lost moolah. Cheers mate :)
Newly subscribed to the channel thanks to your ST220 endeavor. Looking forward to seeing more of it as I bought a 56 plate two years ago and it's by far the best car I've owned over the past 20+ years of driving. Hope the old girl is kind to you. 👍
Thanks for the sub Alan, yes they are a great car and a future collectors car I think.
Nice filming, on the intro. Thanks, Martin ! 😎👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic info Martin and what a beautiful car love the colour look forward to more videos on it 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Alan👍
Another great vid, I do like the st220 myself quite a bit I do agree though the wheel colour does need to go, maybe a nice gun metal gray or black black? Can't wait till the next video on it
Great informative video Martin look forward too seeing more👍
Thanks 👍
Can't wait to see all the rust on that car!!!
Thank you Martin I always enjoy watching your videos and the information the sad thing is that that won’t help us in South Africa
Nice one fella.
Looking at an alternative to BMW\AUDI and doing some research.
Always remember the sound of a nice Cologne V6 in a Ford back in the 70s/80s.
Mondeo ST220 could be the way to go in the new year. Prices are interesting right now.
Nice details and specifics from the host.
Great help. Thanks!
Really nice car be great to see you sort out the issue in the upcoming videos,
Thanks 👍
One of my favourite cars. Looks a good un.
Yet again Martin very clear grounded advice, look forward to future projects on this car & iam not a great lover of Fords! Lol
Thats a beautiful car Mart,well done
Goes like a rocket Mart and as juicy as one lol
Thanks for the shout out martin, ive watched you for years now and have learnt alot from you too! Look forward to the mondeo content!
Hi James
Thanks James, No problem bud, I do watch your vids as well.
nice bit of info there martin cheers
Some years ago (2009/2010) I was running a manual E39 528i, that was in for some work and I got to borrow a friend's Mk3 Mondeo.
I was really impressed with it. I think the steering feel was better than the E39's. It was a very enjoyable drive and it was just a mid-spec (Zetec, I think) with the 2.0 petrol engine.
My only two criticisms of the Mondeo were:
- Road noise was a bit on the high side.
- Brake pedal needed a very firm shove to get it to slow.
Yes they hold the road well. These brakes are very good.
The intro remembers me at braveheart with Mel Gibson .... thx for sharing!!!! Top video!!!!! Greetings from germany 👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you very much!
Use to have a st 24 then st200 but not owned an st220 yet but like the look of them especially in the blue
The MOT checker is useful for checking the mileage is correct also.
Get that moosing sound sorted and replace your Idle Control Valve! also welcome to the club. Got myself a 2005 ST220 with the touchscreen. Been off the road for a year while work has been done to her.
Already sorted bud check out this video th-cam.com/video/rD54mGayuqY/w-d-xo.html
I looked at your marathon 11 vids replacement of your DMF (and other stuff ) on the last Mondeo estate back in 16, I know it was over a few days, but boy was that alot of work you did. I even had to lie down just after looking at all of it been done afterwards......HA!
Great Vid Martin
Thanks 👍
Good tips for people that haven't got a clue. Enjoy your new whip buddy
Thanks 👍
i just had to laugh when you said I got number plates without the eu sticker, I don't have it either makes the number plate looks better
I'm sure subsequent Mondeos are technically better but I think that the CD132 was the best looking.
Styling was spot on !!
Best to have a Mk1 Focus as well, for a "New Edge" pair.
Wheel colour reminiscent of the Mk2 2.8 Injection Granada !
Another good thing is to search on the forums and ask all the people that have owned them and ask them what’s common problems and ask where is rust most likely
I have a droning noise in my car too, its called the wife !!! Seriously though I love your car (and im a Vauxhall man) cant wait for you to go to your local Ford stealership for an update with your mate about those custard creams... hilarious vid you did on that, still laugh to this day.
True story that was lol
Hey Martin check the electric mirror switch if I remember you can press the button and the mirrors fold in I had it on my mondeos
With the relay they fold in on there own when you lock the car.
Nice car Martin.
Once lockdown is done should do a 220 meet up i have a blue one just like your one
Cracking cars these i had one a few years ago....the steering is fantastic on them and the v6 motor is quick low down which is rare for a v6 motor they are usually lazy low down....those alloys would look nice in graphite grey martin
Martin There were a couple of air venturi issues from new. The air box butterfly shaft wares slightly creating that noise. The other is its giving a false reading and fighting to stay closed as it seems to be just above tick over. I cant mind if you have a ECU reader/fault clearer. Might clean up as could be stuck from lack of use... If not fit a new unit. That is a cracking car and the only colour to have. Yes wheels look pants white. good luck
thanks for the info Alan
I love my st its such a lovely car to drive .
Yes I agree, They are.
The iac valve had a problem with the moosing (hooting is another term I've heard).
Hi Martin.. Vehicle smart app on apple is also free and well worth looking at before you buy 👍
Marty what setup are you using to do your TH-cam channel videos. Am interested in getting started but haven't a clue what to get, laptop, pc, camcorder, DLSR, editing software ect ect.
You only need a good mobile phone to film with. You do need some basic editing software. The Perfect video app is a good place to start or if you have a PC, I use Sony Movie Studio 14.
Booming sound sounds like an air-cavity resonance (Helmholtz resonator); like blowing across the top of a milk bottle.
Hi Martin. The guy you want to speak to about the noise and how to sort it is Andrew Spiteri at SE Jags. The same engine is used in the s type jag. He's Mr Jaguar and if there's anything he doesn't know about Jags, it isn't worth knowing. He's based in Charlton. He has a website and facebook page.
Hope it helps.
Good info James
Moosing noise is idle air control valve 100%.
Rear crank case hose always spilt on these. Replace with ebay upgraded silcone hose.
Rear wheel arch liner sound proofing area's are prone to rust bad. Its a must to unseal this asap if yours is still OK. I had to get mine cut out and welded up not cheap.
The 'wing mirrors' that you have mentioned a couple of times are not actually 'wing mirrors'. They are 'door mirrors'. Older cars had 'wing mirrors' when they were fitted to wings. Cars nowadays have 'door mirrors' as they are fitted to the doors. One of my pet hates when people refer to them incorrectly. Lovely car though. Be interesting to know your average MPG.
OMG, Did you really need to make a public comment of your pet hate?
@@retrorestore Sorry. It's one of my pet hates. Don't know why it bugs me so much, but it does. Please dont be offended. Do you know your average MPG as yet ? Just interested thats all. It's a car i would like myself but i have heard of astronomical running costs from different owners, but i do believe they drive them like absolute hooligans.
@@98Blackbess i'm getting around 26.3 mpg at the moment normal driving.
@@retrorestore Thank you. Much better than the figures i have been quoted by others, some of which were sub 20 !!!!!!
Happy days
Lovely car Martin, you may already know but keep an eye on the rear bumper as the rear of the bumper tends to sag which makes the front go up and hits the wheel arch which in turn cracks the paint, mine started to do it just before I sold it, you can easily tell by looking at the chrome strip on the lights to make sure the bumper is level with the chrome strip plus by the line along the rear quarter, from what I can tell yours looks ok. I paid £9k for mine but it was only a couple of years old, good advise on doing the checks, I always do an HPI check on all my cars. The moosing does sound like a resonance and it always seems to be at around 2000rpm, hope you get it sorted.
Thanks John, I'll get to the bottom of the Moosing. Forums are full of rubbish and conflicting info so I'll be documenting it all in a video.
Yeah lets hope it doesn't give you to much trouble, keep an eye on your rear bumper.👍
lovely motor and some top tips by you martin on how not to get stung when buying a motor. Could the centre caps not be reproduced with a 3D printer or am i just barking up the wrong tree.
I've ordered a secondhand set to refurbish Adie.
MOT history can also work against sellers. My old car had a lot of advisories which I fixed post MOT and a potential buyer didn't even come and see my car because he looked up the MOT history and said theres too many advisories on the last MOT even though I told him i got those fixed after MOT was done and also provided photos and parts receipts but he still wouldn't believe me. Wouldn't make sense to pay for another MOT just to clear the advisories.
Good video Martin , funny when I got my 1.8 mondeo mk 3 petrol I didn't really like the shape ,but it has grown on me. Look forward to more vids. That cow noise is a joke perhaps you can get some fresh milk from underneath 🤣 cheers Pauly 👍
Nice one lol
Brilliant vid as usual Martin but is the steering wheel straight or is it just the camera making it look like it isn't straight when driving in a straight line
It is straight
Hey hey Martin it’s Michael we had quite a few chats a while back about T-shirt’s etc. Anyway after some advice, looking at getting going cleaning cars etc and wondered if you had any advice for buffing/polishing detailing equipment and compounds ? Love to you and the family mate
Not really into detailing Michael but I use Farcla G3 cutting compound and a buffing mop to buff paintwork.
Moosing - The previous Mondeo with the Duratec 2.5 V6 also did it, but usually only at idle. The cause on this engine is the bellows pipe between the throttle body and the air filter. They are fine when new, but over time the rubber hardens, so when airflow reaches a certain speed, the air oscillates. The official Ford fix was a replacement pipe, but I guess they are difficult to find now. So if the idle control valve doesn't fix it, that's where to look next.
Great car though, I'm jealous - perfect colour, Recaro leather, looks really well kept and just old enough for the cheaper tax too. I would also go back to silver wheels. Those engines are limo smooth below 3500rpm, above that rpm the secondary inlet valves open up and it goes into sports car mode. On the motorway you should see 40+mpg at normal motorway speeds. Incidentally, this engine was designed by Porsche for Ford, and Cosworth developed the cylinder heads. They love being revved, especially in tunnels...
Good info bud, Cheers
Hi Martin I’m not a ford fan anymore use to be but had a few bad ones, but I do like the colour and the wheels, strange that this is 3.0 V6 220 BHP and My Subaru Impreza WRX 2.0 Flat 4 turbo 215 BHP, Good video🙂👍
I would imagine that this could be remapped to get big power out of it but its quick enough anyway Luke.
retrorestore Yes my Subaru is standard as well and is fast enough for me, I like the Subaru sound but also the V engines sound so nice 👍
the noise clearly has to be induction related - most more modern petrol engines have a kind of 'expansion chamber' in the intake system to act as a capacitor to eliminate induction pulses from each cylinder on the induction stroke - it might be that on this engine the induction tracts start to resonate (vibrate) at certain revs' - I'm not familiar with these engines but if you can try testing with the whole intake system removed it will prove positive that the design is the cause?
I'm a mondeo st owner too
How do you think these will be as a family car? Big enough? Awesome guide gained a sub 👍
They are bud.
I like the white wheels and that mousing noise would do my head in hope you can sort it out
Video out tomorrow on that Roy.
Harmonic like the millennium bridge oscillation?
100% on the wheels and colour change Martin be loads better 👌👍
Totally agree
One of the best mondeos made is the ST keep it Martin that’s the next future classic
Your not wrong there.
It’s a beauty I had one from new for 7 years without any problems other than changing tyres break pads and exhaust I traded it in with 138 K miles still on the same clutch
look after it that will be your pension
@@billywhizz98 that it is mate, i plan on looking after mine, taking it to a few shows next year.
Got to agree Chazz I follow you and James savage garage I love the mondeo I have aN Audi Q5 V6 at the moment but I ams seriously thinking of going back to the mondeo for practicality
Decatting does change the performance Martin. I know very little but still. Excellent vid bud 👌
Thanks 👍
@@retrorestore I was looking at the st220 or the 530d msport. I do reckon the estates look better. What do you think?
I decatted mine and yeah it opens the engine to breath some more.
Hi Mart, moosing could be idle air control valve, might be worth a check first!
That's what I am changing Andy
The droning noise is induction noise mondeo v6 always do it
Is that noise from the PCV Valve Martin.Crankcase breather blocked.
don't know Richard. I only know what I have researched.
It's always worth having an HPI check done (which is essentially what that website you linked to do, there are loads of similar services). For me, it has brought up a car that had finance on it, and also one that had been written off (the owner got really shitty when I pointed this out and didn't believe me).
I also always say that people should ALWAYS take someone with them who knows something about cars to look it over, or pay someone to do it. It may sound harsh, but I have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't, then throws their toys out the pram when something goes wrong, or something was obvious. Seen it happen too many times now :(
Nice motor mate look like you lost a bit of timber aswell looking good
Thanks 👍
While you are doing changing the colour of the wheels are you putting on the original Ford Dust Covers the ST220 and ST170 Focus share same alloys and the dust covers
Yes I am bud
retrorestore good man your self funnily enough now since watching the ST-220 videos now and looking at them they’re my dream car I’m hoping to get that and a mk2 ST200 estate as my collectors items👌
I replaced the air idle valve on my 2004 st220. Got rid of the moosing mate
I have one to fit in my next video
@@retrorestore they say you can clean them with carb cleaner but that didn't work.for.me
Martin, do your revs bounce around when you come to traffic lights etc? Not on initial start up.
No bud they don't
IAC Valve must be dirty , easy to clean up.
@@MorsoVallanKumous Check out tomorrow's vid
You need a kit to activate the electric folding mirrors? It's a £5.00 normally open contact relay, four spade connectors,, two feet of wire and ten minutes of your time!!
I'm already sorted bud
that was first registered in my neck of the woods!
Hi I’ve got a Monday 2.2 Estate. I’ve had it for 14 years And my car number plate are both been struck on and no problems
I've used velcro on mine, still very hard to get off, but easy enough to put my legal number plates on
You would have loved my MK3 Granada Scorpio, white with full RS bodykit, aftermarket gas struts, big white German aftermarket wheels, full black leather interior, the big monty 2.9 V6 with the thirstier injectors but 24v, had a XR4i whaletale bodged onto the rear spoiler and it was like wet sh... off a shovel, swapped it for a Supra which turned out to be an utter tu*d, water got into the leccies and them Supras don't like wet leccies and it ran only in limp mode grr The Cosworth Scorpio was my grail Ford, well MK1 Coupe and Ghia saloon prob up there but them 32v Cossie engines were brutal, abs brutal and a real 7 series beemer basher lol It wouldn't surprise me if the tech for your V6 had a fair bit of input from the 2.9 Cossie's, strange how they fitted 'em only to the Granada and not the Sierra, just been drooling over a South African XR8 Sierra, the full 5 litre Windsor stuffed into a light Sierra body, that must go like the plague is in town.... the South African 3.0 Cortina's and 5.0 Cortina's are droolworthy, used by the SA police with custom body kit and proper Mad Max interceptor sort of fing going on.
Real nice car, Martin!
I have a 06 Lincoln Zephyr with the same engine and it has the common problem of a leaking timing cover. Hope yours doesn't, it's a hell of a job I'm afraid.
Mine is fine Bastian.
@@retrorestore Hope it stays that way.
That blue paint is dead sexy.
Hiya Martin, your kit should be with you in a couple days. Your right about the lack off info on these cars that why a started my channel and based it on the st220. Made sence to do and help others out in the process, ive not had the moosing noise yet ive spent so much on the engine brakes and suspension. Got loads more planned for mine, will be doing a clutch change and tempted to strip the engine and do a rebuild on it. Agreed to check a motors history i paid for a indepth check and it was clean, only issue was it needed some tlc on it. Nice video cheers for the mention, cant wait to see more of your ST220
Hey Mate how's it going fancy seeing you here lol 😂.
@@AliMackMechanical like wise, lol.
Yes, not much on TH-cam, I have many other Mk3 Mondeo videos but not on the ST. More to come.
@@retrorestore it been a fun ride so far, cant wait to do more videos. And cant wait to see what you have in store. If you want to ask me about anything i will do my best to help with the ST.
Is a good looking car. Do love the color. Silver or chrome rims?
Silver for me
Hmm nice car, here in Denmark we've got mot every two years :P But I think they are a little bit more thorough, some of the things your car passed on, my car would've failed on :P
Regit is also a simple site for people to access... Just put the reg number in and the mot history is all there.
Honestly those wheels are the nuts
Not for me though
Don't think it's idle control valve,on tick over your idle speed would be up and down
The best we have is Car Fax, and it’s hit and miss, and expensive.
Fairly easy to get a title washed, too.
What happened to the dmf mondeo you did looked like a decent car
Sold it ages ago
Chaz a friend of mine on Facebook. He goes down to see Reading play poor soul lol. But sound advice Martin .
Hiya, what you mean i go to see Reading Play lol. Dont follow footie to be honest. More F1
@@ChazzCoombes Must be the wrong fella whoops.
@@petefroud5308 lol, i dont live anywhere near reading about 2 hours drive away.
My brother drives a scania r520v8 it has the back airhorns on it but in wont work how does he fix them hello from Ireland
Who knows, Not me lol
@@retrorestore ok thank you
Hi Martin in my opinion finance check is a must if you have paid £50 or £5000 and the car is on finance you do not own the car if the last owner stops paying the finance you will loose your car and the money you paid .
Yes I know that.
Seen this on Facebook for sale
I thought it was the power steering at first. I could imagine it's really annoying
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Loved the dramatic music at the start of the video for an old mondeo ,did make me laugh .
MOT every year must be a headache.
What's happened with the
Bmw
Awaiting to be finished
Nice u gonna be do a video on it I'm more of Ford guy but nice to see M5 BMW dont see much on them about no more
Try not to get speeding fines in this. Lovely car though.
I agree those wheels are nasty...
Definitely not unique to the st220, I had a 1996 mercury sable with a 3.0 Duratec and it made the same noise. Really interesting that the problem was still there over ten years later.
Yes it seems to be a common thing. I'll get to the bottom of it as there is so much conflicting info on the net.