2023 YZ450F vs 2023 CRF450 Works Edition Back to Back Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2023
- 2023 Yamaha YZ450F Monster Edition vs 2023 Honda CRF450 Works Edition: Back to Back comparison ride. Back to Back rides are a great way to get a feel for the different characteristics of each bike. Both my fast son (5'10" 170 lbs) and I (6'2" 190 lbs slow Vet) rode these bikes today. Our thoughts on each....
23 CRF450 Works Edition
The 2023 engine updates are instantly noticeable with smoother low to mid power that is easy to control with excellent throttle to rear wheel connectivity and also helps calm the chassis. I have not ridden a stock '23 CRF450R yet but the ported head, full Yoshimura exhaust, and unique engine mapping give the Works Edition engine a very smooth yet powerful engine character. The CRF450 engine does have noticeably more vibration than the '23 YZ450F engine. The CRF feels smaller up front with that usual CRF effortless turn initiation entering corners. The coated Showa suspension on the Works Edition gives a friction free feel that is noticeable on the little chop. Great "Just Feels Right" Honda ergos. There is something about the looks of a Honda CRF450 Works Edition...perhaps the best looking bike off the showroom floor?
23 YZ450F
The engine stands out on the YZ450 and dominates the character of the whole bike. The engine is so free feeling with 2-stroke like response that builds RPM and power quickly and controllably and with very little engine braking and little engine vibration. With the 12~14 lbs of fuel under the seat at the CG, tilted back cylinder head, and air box behind the steering head mass centralization plus the free feeling engine combine to make the YZ450F feel very lightweight in motion - more like a 350F. The YZ450 feels a little taller in the corners compared to the CRF450. 2nd and 3rd gears feel a tick taller overall compared to the CRF450. KYB suspension is well damped yet still has a plush and controlled feel.
Overall:
My son picked the YZ450F as his favorite with better suspension control, lighter weight feeling in motion (easier to changer directions), and just more fun to ride - a YZ450F that does not feel like a 450F...more like a powerful YZ350F.
I give a slight edge to the YZ450F for the free feeling engine combined with a lighter feel in motion that make for a playful and fun to ride 450F.
I've never seen you ride a bike as good as that '23 YZ 450. That should be your go to bike. You can tell that you have a lot of confidence in it.
Thanks! This new '23 YZ450F is very fun to ride!
That Yamaha really is a thing of beauty. The responsiveness and even the way it sounds. Out of all the bikes you’ve ridden, just watching from TH-cam it looks head and shoulders above the rest.
Thanks for the feedback. I try to convey just how responsive the '23 YZ450F engine is for a 450 4-stroke....the engine and the agility make for a unique 450F experience...like a super powerful 350F. Thanks for watching!
I like the vibe of your videos. Thanks for the work.
Thanks!
Just found this video and i love the info you gave out and the comparison. Great job. I say you looked very comfortable on the YZ. You also seemed more smoother on it.
Thanks! The udpated '23 YZ450F has a unique 450F moto feel - agile (mass centralization) and 2-stroke like quick revving....very fun bike to ride!
Another great review, no wonder Tomac is going so good this season!!
And I heard Tomac just signed up to race the Nationals this summer!
I absolutely love grears mx! Place is fantastic and set up for people to progress! Good videos as well. I ordered a 23 yz450f monster edition a few months ago and they say it will be here in early April!
Grear MX is a great place to ride! Enjoy your new 23 YZ450F Monster Edition....April will be here soon!
Great video . Nice to get different opinions on the new bikes .
Thanks! Both of these bikes are so good. I added the 23.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition to the mix last week... th-cam.com/video/gW5GXkhZjLo/w-d-xo.html
I like the teflon tape underneath the perches and master cylinders. I do the same thing. Cool trick my dad showed me years ago that not a lot of people know about. I'm a long time CRF honda guy since 2009 but that Yamaha looks so good
Your Dad is a smart guy! The new YZ450F is a fun bike - very responsive engine. The '23 CRF450R Works Edition works so well and looks good - easy to Ride Red!
@mxengineer1 pricey as heck for the CR450R WE tho. How bout the new CR450R-S?
Great info,yep i'd go blue also,like the mapping to,,you can customize it to your level,,, look forward to the back to back with Ktm in it..
That's the plan!
Those are some gnarly rain ruts!
The track has not been touched since last December...prepped by Mother Nature!
Great video mate, relatable the way you’re explaining it while you’re riding. Regards your comparisons, I was impressed with your comments on Hondas rider position, I grew up on CR 2strokes and throughout my adult life have raced YZs, I’ve just gone back to a Honda and I love the nimble feeling, having the weight towards the front really works because I’m a shorter guy and I need to load that front end, I feel the Honda is considerably easier through the corners because it gets me over the handlebars, unlike the Yamaha that makes me feel like I’m riding a Harley chopper… great videos mate. Keep up the good work… love to know a bit more about your locations, this track looks like it’s quite new, did someone win lotto and build their dream 🤔I’ve subscribed. 👍
Glad to hear you enjoy the channel and thanks for the feedback! This track belongs to a good buddy of mine and is a little piece of heaven on earth. I am fortunate to ride there along with a few other places here in Ohio.
Nice video bro
Thanks! Looks like you enjoy off roading too!
Where is this ? I think I’ve seen a Video from here before ! Nice Track & Beautiful area !…I’m Diggin the Pro-Link Sticker on the Honda,Where did you Get it ?…I have the 23 CRF 50th Anny edition !…I Don’t Like 4 strokes tho,I’m a 2 stroke guy,I’m 56 & I’m Lazy now🤣…I have a 125 that I’m Rebuilding & I Can’t Wait til it’s Done ! But the Fo-Fitty is Nice cause I can Putt it around & have Power when I want it,Also I will get back up to Speed once I get back to the 125🤑…Cheers Bud🤘
Grear MX in Zanesville, Ohio - very fun place to ride! My buddy at Honda Marysville hooked me up with the cool blue PRO-LINK sticker that goes along perfectly with the blue 50th anniversary seat. I think Throttle Jockey makes PRO-LINK stickers too. I was very tempted to get a 50th anniversary CRF450 - such a cool looking bike!
The new CR450R-S seems a fantastic deal for new 450. Almost impossible to find a new Yamaha YZ450F here in Western Ohio! Sold out. Waiting on '24s to be available.
Yes the Honda CRF450RS is a more reasonably priced option for a new 450F moto bike with the latest tech from Honda
@@mxengineer1 it's a refined/proven version of the last Gen '20 CRF450R . Seems hard to beat. Would you suggest '23 CRF450R-S or '23 CRF450R. Can get either. Local dealer has em. Thanks. -Michigan
@@Davido50 I've ridden both. The '23 has a lot of updates (engine/frame). The new head and mapping give the '23 engine a smoother power response overall which make it easier to ride. The '22 engine hits hard and some riders may prefer the super strong mid range (makes it a bit more tiring to ride). The updated '23 suspension settings are more balanced (stiffer rear matches the front better) but many still get the '23 re-valved. I think the '23 engine updates are worth the little extra money as it helps settle the whole chassis down and the bike works better overall and is a little easier to ride.
Have you ridden a 2018 yz250f and a 2018 crf250r, and if so what is your comparison on those two bikes. Just wondering because I'm looking into getting a dirtbike and think a 250 would be the way to go and those 2 bikes are both available. Thanks
I've ridden both a while ago. The Honda engine was a screamer with weak low to mid power. The suspension was decently compliant and the ergos were thinner and felt more normal. The 2018 YZ250F engine was much stronger - especially low to mid and the KYB suspension worked over a wide range of terrain and rider weights/speed. If you can get a test ride (even a putt around a field) perhaps the character of each bike will make the decision easy for you!
Big thumbs up !!! Let’s get the kx vs the yz next plz !
Should be able to line up the 22 KX450SR and the '23 YZ450F soon
@@mxengineer1 🔥🔥🔥
@@mxengineer1KXSR is a lot more expensive than the YZ450F .
@@2216sammy Yes it is and I have a buddy with a new '22 KX450 base model...but the KYB suspension on the 22 KX450SR is so good!
@@mxengineer1 ok bro need an opinion I haven’t herd back from my yamy dealer I’m getting edgy - I have found a kx450 22 model 30 hours for EQUIVALENT $4950 USD a steal it’s almost madness not to take. Should I be patient wait for the yam machine ? or just grab this deal 🤣?!
Yz sounds a lot better, way more snap, which is a good thing. KYB really is the gold standard.
The YZ engine is 2-stroke responsive and KYB is very good off the showroom floor
Yamaha rocks! Whether dirtbikes or sport quads. Can't go wrong. KTMs are hard to best as well.
You can hear the power on the Yamaha. The Honda sounds mellow beautiful bikes
Yes both are such cool bikes! The udpated '23 CRF450R engine is still very strong low to mid but much more user friendly - usable and strong power. The Yamaha has a 2-stroke like quick rev and RPM build - very fun and very responsive - perhaps too responsive for some riders
Hey love the channel brother, could you make a comparison video with your yz450f doing a 2nd and 3rd gear pull in the standard map vs the smoothest factory map. My yz250f is great but I’m going to buy a yz450f and run it on the smoothest map. Thank you
I did build the slowest map I could (-10 Fuel/-10 Ignition) and dialed it way back... th-cam.com/video/mON6mUvOFBk/w-d-xo.html
Wow does the front end come up that easily without the clutch on those 450's? I mean, I know the 450 is a beast but you barely touched the throttle and that front tire came up no sweat!
450's have a LOT of power and torque - easy to loft the front wheel in any gear...plus I love to wheelie! Wheelies are one way I evaluate the linearity of the power.
Very powerful bikes. All 450s have 55-58hp stock! Thats insane.
I grew up up on Yamaha dirt bikes up 85 Canadian spec then bord out to I think a 125 or more cant remember then to a yzf400 but I had more
People scared of my yz85 lol but now I own a Honda pioneer 1000 SxS but I think I might get the Yamaha!!
Hard hitting 2-strokes can be thrilling to ride - even at the 85/125cc engine size. 23 CRF450R engine power is much smoother than the 21/22 versions and still plenty fast. The 23/24 YZ450F with the downdraft intake has 2-stroke like engine RPM build so it responds so quickly to throttle inputs...might bring back memories of your scary to ride YZ85!
Cool video, now the kawa sr 😊
Working on it!
How can u tell the power when giving it 1/4 throttle to half.
Just sharing what I feel riding these bikes back to back. Would be fun to ride them on those trails in easter Kentucky!
My god that Honda looks nice - but you really seemed to ride the Yam better ?
The '23 CRF450 Works Edition is so good looking - and I like the 50th anniversary seat and old school PRO-LINK stickers;) The new YZ450F engine is just to fun to ride - really quick and free revving...the 450F that feels more like a very powerful and agile 350F.
👍 Yeah and now compare that to KTM EXC 450!
How do they compare in maintenance efforts and longevity? (Valves)
Not sure about valve durability - Yamaha has a good reputation for quality. I did a '23 YZ450F and '23 450SXF back to back video.... th-cam.com/video/o5q5QMjzXfA/w-d-xo.html
You are at Grears MX arn't you?
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What track is this?
Grear MX in Zanesville, Ohio. Fun place to ride!
YZ450 Monster edition is just a graphics change from the stock bike unlike the Honda works bike and Kawasaki SR which have major mechanical upgrades so if the 2023 YZ450F is competitive with those works edition bikes it's the best bargain on the planet because it's considerably cheaper .
I wish Yamaha would build a true Monster Edition with upgraded parts but the stock one just works so well and at MSRP around $10K is expensive enough!
@@mxengineer1 I agree I don't know why they haven't . What's the KXSR cost and what's the Honda works cost is my question because if they are a few grand more than the YZ450F then it seems like the YZ450F is a bargain by comparison if the performance is similar .
@@2216sammy Yes the YZ450F works great and has the free Yamaha Power Tuner phone app that can change the character of the engine and some other cool things too!
Honda used to be it, they don’t push fwd anymore… Yamaha has always innovate.
I think Honda has made continuous updates to the CRF450 since it came out in 2021 and 23 model year has updates to the engine that are easily noticeable while the suspension and frame changes are more subtle. The '23 YZ450 has a unique layout with the reverse head, fuel tank (and gas weight) under the seat, air box up front, and free phone app to tune the engine - Yamaha is innovative for sure
The yz450 sounds like a 350. Giving me the itch to make a purchase. Should compare the yz450 w a 350?
Chris - you are welcome to take my YZ450 for a spin next time our paths cross. I have not done the back to back yet with my KR350 but will soon. The new YZ450 is really fun to ride - engine has a different character than other 450's.
@@mxengineer1 I may take you up on that offer!!
Which 450 has the most power
I did not dyno any of the bikes but riding them back to back the CRF450WE feels a little stronger low to mid - roll on torque feel - while the YZ450F has such a quick response and keeps pulling well into the RPM rev range (mid to high)....the almost 2-stroke like throttle response of the YZ450F engine gives it a slightly more powerful feel. Both engines are plenty fast yet still rideable.
@@mxengineer1 am buy a 450 for doing a bit of both riding in the field forest motocross tracks as why I was just asking about the one with the most powerful engine best sound, Google says the worlds most powerful, 450 is Ktm but Google lies mxengineer
Where did you get the anniversary seat
Ordered the seat from Honda Marysville Powersports store (local Honda dealer)
Thanks for the reply. They told here they couldn't get them.. great channel
@@kevinhlavati5916 Sorry to hear that. Couple of local riders picked up blue 50th seats for their 2023 CRF250R's
Can you tune the honda like you can the yamaha or no ?
You need the HRC software to map the engine on the Honda so yes it is possible but costs money (I think the software is $350 and requires a laptop computer to connect to the bike - confirm with you local Honda dealer)
So which one would you choose
I like the Honda smooth and torquey power, cornering, and ergos. The Yamaha has a quick revving (almost 2-stroke like) engine with instant response and smooth build of power and with mass centralization changes direction so effortlessly...a little more unique 450F experience....I give a slight edge to the YZ450
@@mxengineer1 thanks
Jeez, how many bikes do you have!? 😂 I wanna be your friend!
I am fortunate to have a few bikes of my own and some friends that let me ride their cool bikes!
Can you put KYB on a Honda? How would that work?
You looked better on the Yamaha I think! Just more comfortable, idk.
It would be interesting to try a current CRF with KYB suspension.
@@vernmoser7721 That new YZ450 is easy to feel comfortable on!
The Yamaha has leaf spring Midvalve which is different than most other bikes. There's some companies retrofitting the leaf spring Midvalve into showa forks. Ride jbi is one, mxtech used to build leaf spring Midvalve for wp air forks. I just converted my kawasaki 450 to leaf spring I cant wait to try it when my track dries out in couple of days
@@stephenmiley5804 that’s awesome info. You’ll have to let us know how it goes
Where's this at in ohio?
Grear MX in Zanesville, Ohio. Great track and fun place to ride. Should be opening again for riding sometime in March. As always depends on the weather.
The hondas have their vibration mode in a bad spot IMHO. They coulda picked a different RPM window - it's annoying
KTM really set a new bar for smoothness with the counterbalanced 250/300 2-stroke engines from 2017 model year. This new '23 YZ450F engine has very little engine vibration
Have your son do the same video: talking as he rides, describing each bike.
That is a great idea
Did you just say...."my son who is FAT"? hahahahahahahahahaha sorry, I just had a laugh after last time.......FAST, FAST I got it now...your FAST son! LMAO Great comparison as always!!!
Ha! My son is not fat - wish I could bench press 315 lbs;)
@@mxengineer1 Hahaha, yeah, the joke has run it's course! No more "fat" jokes LMAO...Really enjoy hearing the differences as you move from one ride to the other. Obviously, it's much more apparent when you're able to ride back to back and compare like this. Always very interesting hearing you describe the different characteristics.
@@brutus6328 Riding bikes back to back is a great way to understand the different characteristics. All bikes are so good now - need to figure out which ones make you smile the most!
Too bad you couldn’t get a chisel and a disc on that track, tough conditions to evaluate anything, yikes 😬
Yes when prepped this track is amazing! Rougher conditions tend to better at bringing out the different characteristics of bikes. Happy to be riding outdoors in February in Ohio!
Great info, bud. Hard to believe the HONDA WE feels slower. I wonder what mode you have it on…BTW, where did you get those very cool Pro-Link decals…? Thank you in advance for any info that you may provide. Ride safe! 🤙🏻🇺🇸
The 450WEW is not slow...just "felt" slower after getting off the 23 YZ450 (which is hyper responsive - revs like a YZ250F but has 59 hp). The 450WE was in standard map (Map 1). I have ridden the 21/22 CRF450R and prefer the new 23 CRF450WE power character - stronger yet smoother roll with a linear build that also helps keep the chassis more balanced ('22 CRF450R had that mid range almost hit). My buddy's Dad had those PRO-LINK stickers made for his '23 CRF450R 50th anniversary edition. I have no idea who made them but I would guess Throttle Jockey could. I really like the blue 50th seat and PRO-LINK sticker combo...80's CR vibe
@@mxengineer1 Got ya. Thanks for the info. Yeah, l’m considering both the HONDA WE and the Kawie SR. We’ll see…Anyway, enjoy your bikes. Take care!
@@sdb92 KX450SR is Big Power + KYB....the KYB setting (on the 22 KX450SR) is very good! th-cam.com/video/1Oj6LmVznOM/w-d-xo.html
The latest CRF seems significantly inferior and likely won't sell well
Jett Lawrence sure makes the latest CRF450R look pretty good - wonder if that helps sell more bikes?
Putt the Honda in mode 3 then talk about power 😂😂😂
Yes!!! Aggressive mode (Map 3) on the Honda is FAST!! The Honda has so much low to mid torque - really strong.
20 years ago in 2003 when YZ450F came out was better than a Honda and 20 years later still better than Honda Yamaha best dirt bike For all those arrogant Honda owners.
I had a 2003 YZ450F - what a beast of a bike!!!
Return the Honda😂
I actually sold the CRF450WE to a good friend of mine!
Yamaha sounds way better than the stock trash it comes with. Honda is so heavy. Suspension is all day yamaha. Frame and ergos once upon time that was Hondas territory but the frames haven’t been to good lately so Yamaha will take that stat too. Reliability… I’ve seen both have issues less than 40 hours in electrical and mechanical. Yamaha is def the better bike overall won’t beat you up as fast either.
Honda chassis and suspension has been polarizing the past few years (even on the Works Edition). Yamaha KYB suspension works so well off the showroom floor they usually set the bar for each class. New '23 YZ450 engine is responsive! How about your thoughts on the KTM/Husky 450's?
@@mxengineer1 I own all of them and still prefer the ktm 450sxf to any other model in the 459 class. When all critical factors weigh in to balance out a complete overall bike analysis, the Ktm outshined them all despite having air forks they still work tremendously well and have a wide range of adjustment for the average consumer, but the lightweight chassis, the Brembo brakes, the hydraulic clutch that feels effortless to pull, the ergonomics that allow for a multitude of riders to feel comfortable on, just far outweighed what the rest of the competition has to offer Yamaha does come in competitively, but when it comes to reliability, long-term, that is when it comes to rider durability on the track when it comes to precise braking when it comes to an overall package that is going to deliver and allow you to have the best chance to win races and have a bike that won’t fail on you at 30 hours or 40 hours Ktm it’s just unbeatable Honda used to hold a close bar but unfortunately they’ve gone the other direction the only one remotely close to challenge in Ktm, Gas Gas or husky are the Yamaha. This suspension alone is so good that most people will bypass any other flaws the bike has.
@@chrisvillarreal2752 Nice to have choices! Do you like the updated chassis on the 2023 KTM 450SXF vs the previous chassis?
@@mxengineer1 no I prefer the 20-22 generation best. KTM had a championship machine there soon as they switched over its been downhill