Not the first hardly. He just gets play. Everyone knows. Politicians don't understand it because its technology. 1996 telcommunications law. Bill Clinton signed it - ruined a lot of things - and opened the internet for previously liabilous postings.
So people are in an abusive relationship with social media. We know it’s going to upset us because these companies have admitted they use rage bait for engagement; and yet we still click it anyway. I’m commenting on it….. I miss the world before social media. The changes it’s causing to our kids is very obvious. More anxiety, more depression. Welcome to 2024
The problem is that even for people like me who don't want to use Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and Discord (like me), I still have to because it's one of the few ways to advertise my business. This is the lock-in that has occurred because of social media's prevalence. On the topic of bots, the solution has always been very simple: require people to use their own identity online instead of anonymous usernames and to have online platforms verify that identity. I dislike Facebook in general but this is one of the few things that they mostly get right. That idea gets immediately shot down on other platforms because people it's "doxxing," and I ignore any platforms that have that rule.
@@masterchinese28 Editors were powerful, yes, but they didn’t automatically *rely* on our potential to critically examine their journalism. Let’s not romanticize our pre-bot past. Those same editors merely told readers what they could and couldn’t know. But mindful, critical readers saw through the most egregiously censored examples of that journalism, which lead to (among other things) widespread dissent on Vietnam on the 1960s and 70s. So it’s not enough that editors are ceding responsibility to bots. If *we the public* cede our ability to reason, the same results will apply, regardless of editor or bot. In that respect, print journalism is not only erroneously lauded by the guest, it also becomes the wrong precedent for bots and social media, which after all have more to do with the insidious influence of television in the 20th century.
Why does everyone want to burn books all of a sudden? The internet is an empty wall for people to fill with graffiti. Some of it is true, some of it is not, but it is up to us to find the things we chime with within it, as we have always done with all media. All of these politicians and 'journalists' with their braindead ideas about free speech and how much they hate it, they make me weep for humanity. You dont have to like everything you read on the nternet, or in any book or newspaper for that matter but censorship should always be your last reflex. The desire to censor should make you question your own sanity, rather than that of those with whom you disagree.
The problem is not that the algorithms aren't tested. It is that the goal of the algorithms is to create more fear, greed and hate. (Engagement equals revenue.) The algorithms have been very well tested. They work. The problem is that the goals of the algorithms are antithetical to to sane social engagement.
Exactly, and it is infuriating how few people even realize the absurdity of the proliferation of completely unedited 'content'. Was content even used that often in that context before social media ? The newspapers contained information, not content.
The problem is that there are people who believe a sinister cabal exists to "create more fear, greed and hate". This is why I support no free speech for humans and only for bots. They're more logical than humans.
There is no “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment. So, many Americans wonder: Is hate speech legal? Contrary to a common misconception, most expression one might identify as “hate speech” is protected by the First Amendment and cannot lawfully be censored, punished, or unduly burdened by the government - including public colleges and universities.
I went out to lunch the other day with my 29 year old son and his 25 year old girlfriend. I brought up every topic I could think of knowing about what I think they are interested in: electric cars, her mother, his job, travel. Neither could make conversation if their lives depended on it! It was pathetic!
20 seconds into listening to Yuval I'm thinking " this guy is a genius". Looking his bio real quick on the split screen " tought himself at age three, attended intellctualy gifted school since 8, PHD from Oxford at 26" etc. We need more guys like him in a public space
I hope you saw the whole show. Not many people have that capacity. If you are ever around a genius, their brains simply function differently in a way we cant comprehend or do ourselves. Its a marvel that people with the same brain as ours can be have so much more application and incredible memory for connecting things. Whenever you encounter someone less intellect than yourself, you notice those types of things readily break down, and its hard to convince them of obvious oversights. Connections and recollection seem to be more absent. You find yourself attempting to connect the dots for them, but that is an exercise lost on them if they cant do it themselves. Geniuses and polymaths are just infinitely better at high level thinking. They should be running the world, but since the vast majority cant relate to their thinking, we end up with leaders with dumbed down ways of connecting with their constituents. No one would say that Bush, Trump or even Biden were incredible visionaries and high level, intellectual thinkers. Unfortunately, thats who the American public tends to vote for. I dont know that high level geniuses can even vote for these two parties anymore because they cant even get someone at their own intellect. Lets say for example that Pete Buttigieg was the most intelligent forward thinker and intellectual running for President, this wouldnt matter to most voters, since this is not a priority for them.
These are the best types of segments on real time. I like it when the guests promote their point of view in a calm, cool, collected manner. Its also refreshing to see guests realize that many issues aren't black and white, rather they have many shades of gray.
Well when Maher was putting on political hacks all the time he didnt realize that doesnt benefit anyone. When you get people outside of this spectrum, thats when the fun begins. People following their cult parties to the T is hurting America. That is what news is today, biased viewpoints.
You had a really intelligent and interesting guest on this week in Yuval.. and you interrupted the guy while he was making very salient and timely point, to make your jokes about sex parties. Mm.. I know you're a comedian.. but this show is at its best when the guests are on some interesting points and having discussions between the panel to work through the nuances of such things. The jokes should be second fiddle. Especially these days.
@@airheart1 Bill Maher's format has not changed and likely will not change.. let's start a podcast and invite WEF globalists that say cool old stuff without the truth...
Harari is right but he's missing one important element. The algorithms also show us what we want to see. I'm not sure a company should be legally liable for that.
@@njits789 you can have mine! Ive noticed that everytime I go on a site now they try to get me to accept all kinds of info to give to them. SO before I can even do anything I ahve to select the min. I rally noticed that happening more this year than any other
Hated that Bill ignored a very salient almost profound point of about how would be dictators operate. They peddle distrust and sow division and cultivate fear. Yuval was saying how if you campaign to discredit all institutions...academia, the media, health organizations, and governmental structures you destabilize society making it easier for dictators to emerge. And Bill flipped without delving into it to his sex party joke bit.
I think it’s disgusting what he is proposing. I do not care what somebody says as long as they are allowed to say it whether I agree or disagree it’s what makes this country UNIQUE and wholly original in a word that conforms.
I think I've just found a new hero in Yuval Noah Harari. He says so much of what *NEEDS* to be said, and he does so very succinctly and articulately that the message is driven straight home. We need a lot more of that kind of sharp, observant, relevant, urgent delivery of message, and wake the hell up for everyone especially those who would either exploit AI to make a buck, or more importantly the millions who let it rule and rob their minds. You can say "It's the way of the future" all you want, but already AI is mind-fucking a majority of the planet, i.e. people obsessing over their stupid phones and living as per what social media dictates. The human race is in *BIG FUCKING TROUBLE* and I pray enough people will snap out of the spell and reconnect with their natural-given organic minds and put down the goddam phones.
New hero? Sapiens came out in 2011, Yuval has been spitting’ humanities truths for well over a decade while we keep slipping down that slope to its end 🥺
Another thing I wish was talked about and researched more is the long term consequences of most of a society having access to any sort of content or information or social group instantly; the instant gratification that comes with smart phones and internet. How that affects dopamine and serotonin production and so on and so forth. Anecdotaly at least, I see a difference in people I know and myself. I'm not sure we get more good than bad out of the situation and I'm not sure it won't get much worse the longer it goes on.
*"If we had a new genetically modified food, we would absolutely be testing it before releasing it"* In the US you can release whatever food you want until it's proven dangerous. EVERYWHERE ELSE you need to prove it's safe before releasing it.
The goals of profit-seeking corporations (and in many ways capitalism itself) appear to be incompatible with the goals of a socially healthy society. Which do we value more?
You know very little about him, apparently. It's clear that Maher is also clueless...or is complicit somehow in Harari's devious plan. Were the guy not powerful, I would simply write him off as a kook. But he's very, very powerful. And that is bad news for humanity.
@@quarter_moon_and_a_guitar He's an educated Jewish person who believes in common sense and explains his views using historical examples and verifiable facts. The fact that the person you're responding to used the term "devious" and implied that he's dangerous while explaining nothing in regards to why is essentially flagging themselves as being antisemitic. There's nothing dangerous about this guest and he has multiple interviews online from very recent appearances on multiple shows. He's actually an incredibly prolific and affable person who explains himself and his work incredibly well. I assume that's why he's "devious" and "dangerous." It's like how all of these people mention George Soros like he's the antichrist. Soros is a Billionaire like their messiah Trump but he supports Democratic principles unlike their Orange Messiah so they hate him. Edit: Search TH-cam for Yuval Harrari and you'll see a lot of recent interviews. He just released a book so he is doing the usual talk show tour like other authors.
Time was when editors stood up to owners who tried to tell them what to do because they had the balls to do so. Not anymore, that went out of fashion and the owners are now dictating what happens with no filters.
Pretty hilarious. So the government mandating changes in algorithms to make certain content less accessible does not violate 1A rights. By similar logic, would a government mandating that the NYT could only sell X quantity of papers/subscriptions also not violate the 1A? It's amazing how public "intellectuals" have so much disdain for human freedom, and are simultaneously so dishonest about it.
Even though the algorithms got me here: These conversatoins need to be held more in the broader media space. Extremely relevant for all of our futures.
Yuval mentioned that Lenin and Mussolini were editors. Here in the U.S., William Randolph Hearst was effectively one, too. He had immense power and spread vast amounts of mind poison and garbage. The more I think about it, the more I have to ask, is the current system worse? How?
Hearst's abuse of his power doesn't equate to all editors of newspapers being corrupt. Being exposed to a few bad editorial actors is inevitable, but it sure beats the current insane flood of completely unedited algorithm driven 'content'.
The biggest problem is that a lot of these platforms write their algorithms to do two things: 1. Keep human beings hooked into the feed and commenting by constantly giving them drama. 2. Kill the popularity of influencers so brands have no choice but to come to the platform and pay them for ad space rather than just paying an influencer to post about a product. I wholeheartedly agree that these platforms should be held responsible for the chaos they bring to society, and they shouldn't be able to hide behind the first amendment or proclaim they just won't moderate anything and let the inmates run the asylum.
Hurrah, we will all have to associate our real identities with our social media accounts "to check we're not bots". And as a side effect, we can all "be held accountable" for our opinions by employers and universities. Hope you don't have anything controversial to say!
@@DeltaElitesbecause I have a contract with all the major insurance carriers in this country,they'd probably drop me if they were getting calls everyday about my political beliefs
This is so exactly right! Please spread this. Social media algorithms are killing our humanity. Computer algorithms are determining the conversations everwhere and forcing humans to avoid actual conversation.
Give the public some (dis)credit, too. If they’re gullible enough to buy into this crap, it’s THEIR fault. Conformity and stupidity existed before social media.
@plasmavox Hi, I like to listen and talk to people (even if their opinion is different from mine), And I prefer to know that on the other side there is no bot whose goal is to confuse me, so I agree with his opinion
Stealing from artists and writers out in the open is the single biggest problem we have from this. Take away human artistry and what do we have left? We acted and drew pictures before we could talk. Thats AI's job now.
@@davidbelway6076 I did listen to it...I just think their priorities are a bit misplaced by proper priority. You're worried about misinformation. I'm worried about censorship, the "chilling effect" on speech, and spying on all Americans by our own government. Notice, I want less government involvement...so asking them to involve themselves more, would be something I'm naturally skeptical of, and also might not prioritize over the issues I mentioned as more important.
@@tonypalmentera7752it could be argued that social media algorithms are causing clear and immediate damage to society, where the NSA spying is not. You may be right that it’s important too, but i think your priorities are off.
@@sp4nrs the spying is a violation of rights, algorithm content is not, and the damage is immense, given blackmailing of politicians and other key members of society...read history on the Praetorian Guard, if you think negative social impact of algorithms is worse than the government spying on us all.
Back in the 70s, those of us who were knee deep in to computers and who saw the onset of the internet we all share today thought what a glorious day that would be. To be able to communicate to each other directly or to everyone simultaneously would be world changing, to say the least. Well, it has, and in my opinion, it was, for the worst, not the best. This is going to get so ugly it could start wars. It's already made enemies of the best of friends.
Just wanna say I learned BASIC on a friend's Trash-80 with cassette tape for mass storage, learned CP/M on an Osborne 1, and we still have (but not booted up in years) a Kaypro 4. There was this large magazine format underground publication, "Dream Machines" on one side flip it over and enter from the other side...
yep. as someone DEEP in this industry, what of course you'll never hear is the actual problem - total and complete and unchecked maniacal EGO AND GREED by the people that run tech companies. it's not a competition of IQ in the Valley for the past 20 years anymore, it's a competition of the most backstabbing and corrupt to have their moment in the sun for the SOLE purpose of serving their ego. 1000% this industry has attracted the worst of society at the top of these companies. the only difference between them and the conmen, fraudsters, criminals and thieves that serve time after they get caught is the army of attorneys, influence over DC and their prestigious degrees. they literally have no idea what they're doing with AI. they just have a shiny new toy, a literal Mt Everest of people's personal data that they have stolen for the past 20 years and they're just turning their LLMs loose on their embarrassment of riches of EXABYTES of your entire digital life.... your banking info, your sex and porn, everything you purchase, everywhere you go, everyone you talk to, etc etc..... no it's not legal how they got the data but DC and the legal profession just turns a blind eye to it hoping they can get a few million stuffed in their pockets.... it's THAT BAD
Indeed! I was in elementary school when the internet was just beginning, before social media. I didn't go on the internet much and played games like Myst and Lemmings. Most of my early internet use started in high school with message boards and poetry sites. Social media didn't become a thing until much later on. I thought when youtube was fairly new, I joined maybe two years into the site being around, that it would be an amazing way to connect with people all around the world, share ideas, understand one another, but it became the exact opposite of that. It's turned adults into children where people attack one another rather than converse and try to understand one another. It's made the world more disconnected.
@hezigler i go back to building kits. Had SN 110 TRS-80. Those were the days... Tandy hired me and four other guys to open and start their first five "Tandy Computer Centers." I was based on Atlanta. At that time, there were only two other retail computer stores, one in Atlanta (Peachtree Software guys) and another in California.
I remember before the internet. I gre up in the 90s and we thought having everyone having the ability to communicate would make things better when really all it did was let the majority of the stupidest fucking people.ever give their opinions on everything. When the internet start it was mostly smart people no that everyone has it we are realizing most people are fucking dumb.
I wish they posted the whole 10 minute conversation from the show here. It was probably the most intelligent conversation I heard in media in past few weeks
Dear creator , where are we headed ? ! So scary . All I can think of now is the Harry Nielsen song , “ everybody’s talkin at me , I can’t hear a word they’re saying , only the echoes of my mind “.
It's a valid argument that as we further understand and develop AI, it becomes clear that oversight should be maintained to prevent the master from becoming the slave. Bio-forms? What if advanced robotic machines with AI, become sentient and self-aware? It's possible.
“The easiest way to grab our attention is to push the fear button or the greed button or the fear button in our minds”. To be fair, the newspaper editors were doing this long before the algorithms. Lenin and Mussolini were certainly no exceptions.
I cut the cord in mid 2000s and it was before all of these things materialized. It was merely to combat the price gouging of companies, but I tend to think, oh I know, I escapesd a plethora of programming I would have hated, and commercials too are a thing of the past. Recorded shows, like this, is the way to go, if you can get them without commercials. In case you are wondering, the popup video can also be bypassed. You just click back and then forward and it skips it.
It's not up the liquor store to make sure you don't drink. We are not powerless to stop clicking...we keep clicking...stop blaming math equations, and start being responsible for your own behavior. Just a thought...
Algorithms have nothing to do with editing... that's the problem. I wonder if many people even understand the distinction between what they are exposed to on social media and what actual edited information is.
January 21, 2032: Congress passes a bill explicitly excluding bots and algorithms from enjoying the constitutional rights afforded under the first amendment. January 22, 2032: Congress declares 90% of the American populace bots and algorithms.
Harari is absolutely right! How can end the free pass on the algorithms that push content into our feeds. That is a willful act just as much a publishing is.
It's encouraging to see someone actually talking about this.
there are more bot accts than humans online now.
Do you know who this man is, or is this your first introduction to Harari?
@@sim.ulationkoyoHarari is evil
Not the first hardly. He just gets play. Everyone knows. Politicians don't understand it because its technology. 1996 telcommunications law. Bill Clinton signed it - ruined a lot of things - and opened the internet for previously liabilous postings.
So much easier to say that than an actual opinion with support
So people are in an abusive relationship with social media. We know it’s going to upset us because these companies have admitted they use rage bait for engagement; and yet we still click it anyway.
I’m commenting on it…..
I miss the world before social media. The changes it’s causing to our kids is very obvious. More anxiety, more depression.
Welcome to 2024
Great analogy actually. I don't like that. We need to break up 😂
It's not because of social Media.😂 It's because they don't spend time outside and in nature.
...sure...blame it on everybody else rather than yourself that you have no self-control.
The problem is that even for people like me who don't want to use Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and Discord (like me), I still have to because it's one of the few ways to advertise my business. This is the lock-in that has occurred because of social media's prevalence.
On the topic of bots, the solution has always been very simple: require people to use their own identity online instead of anonymous usernames and to have online platforms verify that identity. I dislike Facebook in general but this is one of the few things that they mostly get right. That idea gets immediately shot down on other platforms because people it's "doxxing," and I ignore any platforms that have that rule.
Yes! It’s more like we’re codependent with social media & addicted to the drama & triggers it creates.
Editors were powerful people. Now the bots have taken that powerful job.
This explains so much of what we see happening of society today.
According to Zuckerberg, the FBI told them to censor certain topics. It's not just bots ..it also the government.
All through history it's been a sh*show. Mordern times is just our personal sh*tshow. 😂
I doubt we'll ever learn.
@@masterchinese28 Editors were powerful, yes, but they didn’t automatically *rely* on our potential to critically examine their journalism. Let’s not romanticize our pre-bot past. Those same editors merely told readers what they could and couldn’t know. But mindful, critical readers saw through the most egregiously censored examples of that journalism, which lead to (among other things) widespread dissent on Vietnam on the 1960s and 70s.
So it’s not enough that editors are ceding responsibility to bots. If *we the public* cede our ability to reason, the same results will apply, regardless of editor or bot.
In that respect, print journalism is not only erroneously lauded by the guest, it also becomes the wrong precedent for bots and social media, which after all have more to do with the insidious influence of television in the 20th century.
Why does everyone want to burn books all of a sudden? The internet is an empty wall for people to fill with graffiti. Some of it is true, some of it is not, but it is up to us to find the things we chime with within it, as we have always done with all media. All of these politicians and 'journalists' with their braindead ideas about free speech and how much they hate it, they make me weep for humanity. You dont have to like everything you read on the nternet, or in any book or newspaper for that matter but censorship should always be your last reflex. The desire to censor should make you question your own sanity, rather than that of those with whom you disagree.
It's total BS... all he's saying is: I want the algorithms to suppress info that I don't like."
The problem is not that the algorithms aren't tested. It is that the goal of the algorithms is to create more fear, greed and hate. (Engagement equals revenue.) The algorithms have been very well tested. They work. The problem is that the goals of the algorithms are antithetical to to sane social engagement.
Exactly, and it is infuriating how few people even realize the absurdity of the proliferation of completely unedited 'content'. Was content even used that often in that context before social media ? The newspapers contained information, not content.
The problem is that there are people who believe a sinister cabal exists to "create more fear, greed and hate". This is why I support no free speech for humans and only for bots. They're more logical than humans.
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@@ge2623💯
Yuval Noah Harari nailed it hold the algorithms and their masters accountable .
There is no “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment.
So, many Americans wonder: Is hate speech legal?
Contrary to a common misconception, most expression one might identify as “hate speech” is protected by the First Amendment and cannot lawfully be censored, punished, or unduly burdened by the government - including public colleges and universities.
I went out to lunch the other day with my 29 year old son and his 25 year old girlfriend. I brought up every topic I could think of knowing about what I think they are interested in: electric cars, her mother, his job, travel. Neither could make conversation if their lives depended on it! It was pathetic!
Is that a failure on your part?
@@adamgates1142I am 31 years old and I definitely see people my age and younger as being a bit more awkward. Not always, but there's more of them.
@@adamgates1142 Are you a parent, I'm curious?
So, what were they interested in?
@@catherinewilliams9680 Probably too busy looking at the feed on their phones to actually bother replying.
20 seconds into listening to Yuval I'm thinking " this guy is a genius". Looking his bio real quick on the split screen " tought himself at age three, attended intellctualy gifted school since 8, PHD from Oxford at 26" etc. We need more guys like him in a public space
@@thomaslesny61 you don't know anything about this WEF globalist...
He also views human beings as useless and their fate should be video games and drugs.
He’s a major figurehead of the shadowy WEF. He thinks free will is a problem and most humans will become useless in the near future. Evil genius.
I hope you saw the whole show. Not many people have that capacity. If you are ever around a genius, their brains simply function differently in a way we cant comprehend or do ourselves. Its a marvel that people with the same brain as ours can be have so much more application and incredible memory for connecting things.
Whenever you encounter someone less intellect than yourself, you notice those types of things readily break down, and its hard to convince them of obvious oversights. Connections and recollection seem to be more absent. You find yourself attempting to connect the dots for them, but that is an exercise lost on them if they cant do it themselves. Geniuses and polymaths are just infinitely better at high level thinking.
They should be running the world, but since the vast majority cant relate to their thinking, we end up with leaders with dumbed down ways of connecting with their constituents. No one would say that Bush, Trump or even Biden were incredible visionaries and high level, intellectual thinkers. Unfortunately, thats who the American public tends to vote for. I dont know that high level geniuses can even vote for these two parties anymore because they cant even get someone at their own intellect. Lets say for example that Pete Buttigieg was the most intelligent forward thinker and intellectual running for President, this wouldnt matter to most voters, since this is not a priority for them.
@@mpup54 This guy also views humans as useless and stated so.
These are the best types of segments on real time. I like it when the guests promote their point of view in a calm, cool, collected manner. Its also refreshing to see guests realize that many issues aren't black and white, rather they have many shades of gray.
Well when Maher was putting on political hacks all the time he didnt realize that doesnt benefit anyone. When you get people outside of this spectrum, thats when the fun begins. People following their cult parties to the T is hurting America. That is what news is today, biased viewpoints.
Also Yuval Noah Harari "The day's of human free will are over."
Never was such a thing, and never will be.
@@malcolmledger176...there is social pressure and then there's the pressure of one's own body. Can't be stopped only a bit delayed.
@@malcolmledger176 That downer of an idea is even cornier than the idea of free will.
@@thyristo What's that got to do with the idea of free will?
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You had a really intelligent and interesting guest on this week in Yuval.. and you interrupted the guy while he was making very salient and timely point, to make your jokes about sex parties. Mm.. I know you're a comedian.. but this show is at its best when the guests are on some interesting points and having discussions between the panel to work through the nuances of such things. The jokes should be second fiddle. Especially these days.
Totally agree 👍
@@airheart1 Bill Maher's format has not changed and likely will not change.. let's start a podcast and invite WEF globalists that say cool old stuff without the truth...
And you think this statement will get through to the producers??
That interruption was awkward and trivial.
He’s an evil monster.
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perfect reason not to be on social media...
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I'm with you on so many levels.
TH-cam is my only “social” media. Still… it may be too much.
Half of the comments on youtube are bots too lol.
@@unsavory6903 Nice icon
...and yet, here you are....
Thanks for giving intelligent people the time to talk about interesting topics: you're great Bill!
So he prefers Mussolini and Lenin to algorithms? Because that’s his basic point.
It definitely is not his point
@@sp4nrs It's total BS... all he's saying is: "I want the algorithms to suppress info that I don't like."
Also, we should identify bots and paid agents from real users
With what? An internet id? That would be worse dingus
Absolutely. At least that.
@joesmoe3096 Our government needs something else to pass out like candy, since our social security numbers have all been given away.
I love to call my FB friends bots... ive yet had one to prove they are not. Sending me AI images isnt helping their cause. 😆
His audience are bots. 🤖
Harari is right but he's missing one important element. The algorithms also show us what we want to see. I'm not sure a company should be legally liable for that.
I miss the times when apples and blackberries were actual fruit and never morphed into these super techie social media algorithms ugh!
Uhh, blackberries now went back to being a fruit. Oops, blackberries were never a fruit.
Have cookie then... Oh, wait
@@njits789 you can have mine! Ive noticed that everytime I go on a site now they try to get me to accept all kinds of info to give to them. SO before I can even do anything I ahve to select the min. I rally noticed that happening more this year than any other
This man doesn't believe in humans! He believes in trans-humans!
Thank you for this video.
It's total BS... all he's saying is: "I want the algorithms to suppress info that I don't like."
Yuval Harari has a brilliant, insightful mind.
Hated that Bill ignored a very salient almost profound point of about how would be dictators operate. They peddle distrust and sow division and cultivate fear. Yuval was saying how if you campaign to discredit all institutions...academia, the media, health organizations, and governmental structures you destabilize society making it easier for dictators to emerge.
And Bill flipped without delving into it to his sex party joke bit.
Amazing writer too
I think it’s disgusting what he is proposing. I do not care what somebody says as long as they are allowed to say it whether I agree or disagree it’s what makes this country UNIQUE and wholly original in a word that conforms.
@@jamesstewart8377Yes, now shameless lying has become exceptable "free speech." Pffffttttt!
@@karllieck9064 "acceptable" versus "exceptable"? (i.e., making an except for) Want to be clear on the point you're making here.
I think I've just found a new hero in Yuval Noah Harari. He says so much of what *NEEDS* to be said, and he does so very succinctly and articulately that the message is driven straight home. We need a lot more of that kind of sharp, observant, relevant, urgent delivery of message, and wake the hell up for everyone especially those who would either exploit AI to make a buck, or more importantly the millions who let it rule and rob their minds. You can say "It's the way of the future" all you want, but already AI is mind-fucking a majority of the planet, i.e. people obsessing over their stupid phones and living as per what social media dictates. The human race is in *BIG FUCKING TROUBLE* and I pray enough people will snap out of the spell and reconnect with their natural-given organic minds and put down the goddam phones.
WEF puppet. Useless eater.
New hero? Sapiens came out in 2011, Yuval has been spitting’ humanities truths for well over a decade while we keep slipping down that slope to its end 🥺
C EST UN HOMME BRILLANT,ALLUME,INTELLIGENT.....MOI AUSSI JE VIENS DE DECOUVRIR MON HERO....MERCI SIR..
He’s been pushing that technology and believes free will is a problem for humanity.
Far from hero I’m afraid
They are absolutely right! Nice to see we still have some smart people in the world.
Such a cogent and understandable line of thinking. We need this TODAY. Where are our tech savvy senators?
This is one of the most cogent points made on real time for quite some time.
Absolutely, 100%, perfectly, defined. Bravo, sir
Isn’t the author of the algorithm just going to argue that they are exercising their free speech?
I trust the algorithm more than any modern news editor
Another thing I wish was talked about and researched more is the long term consequences of most of a society having access to any sort of content or information or social group instantly; the instant gratification that comes with smart phones and internet. How that affects dopamine and serotonin production and so on and so forth. Anecdotaly at least, I see a difference in people I know and myself. I'm not sure we get more good than bad out of the situation and I'm not sure it won't get much worse the longer it goes on.
The people manipulating us are experts at what they do. It's hard for many to see what's being done to them.
Are people really that nieve
@@mimnagvmyes bot
The government needs to listen to Yuval
Bravo!
*"If we had a new genetically modified food, we would absolutely be testing it before releasing it"*
In the US you can release whatever food you want until it's proven dangerous. EVERYWHERE ELSE you need to prove it's safe before releasing it.
That's just not true.
Yuval, legend! The world should listen to his advice!
really? trust me evil hiding in plain site
Guy is a total psycho nut-job.
This is such a great platform for Bill to tell us all he agrees with and has held the exact same views as geniuses like Harari, all along.🤣
Translation for the NPCs: "I want the algorithms to suppress information I don't like." - said with extra steps. We already had that. What a Moron.
The goals of profit-seeking corporations (and in many ways capitalism itself) appear to be incompatible with the goals of a socially healthy society. Which do we value more?
The bald-headed guy is the most fascinating guest Maher's had on. Wish he was on every show
You know very little about him, apparently. It's clear that Maher is also clueless...or is complicit somehow in Harari's devious plan. Were the guy not powerful, I would simply write him off as a kook. But he's very, very powerful. And that is bad news for humanity.
@@gracelynne3918 I know him from what I just saw. What is devious about him?
Read his book. fascinating. Brilliant man indeed.
@@quarter_moon_and_a_guitar He's an educated Jewish person who believes in common sense and explains his views using historical examples and verifiable facts. The fact that the person you're responding to used the term "devious" and implied that he's dangerous while explaining nothing in regards to why is essentially flagging themselves as being antisemitic.
There's nothing dangerous about this guest and he has multiple interviews online from very recent appearances on multiple shows. He's actually an incredibly prolific and affable person who explains himself and his work incredibly well. I assume that's why he's "devious" and "dangerous." It's like how all of these people mention George Soros like he's the antichrist. Soros is a Billionaire like their messiah Trump but he supports Democratic principles unlike their Orange Messiah so they hate him.
Edit: Search TH-cam for Yuval Harrari and you'll see a lot of recent interviews. He just released a book so he is doing the usual talk show tour like other authors.
Agreed!
I am reading Nexus now, everybody needs to read it and Yuval's book Sapiens too....brilliant!
I agree.
Which Nexus????
Google has various different items when I search "Nexus"
I agree so much!
It's total BS... all he's saying is: "I want the algorithms to suppress info that I don't like."
“Inspiration comes in quiet moments, prime it with solitude.”
Time was when editors stood up to owners who tried to tell them what to do because they had the balls to do so. Not anymore, that went out of fashion and the owners are now dictating what happens with no filters.
So it's not against free speech is against bad algorithms and misinformation
lol
And most likely statistics.
But why decides misinformation? The govt is 0-50 on getting it right
Pretty hilarious.
So the government mandating changes in algorithms to make certain content less accessible does not violate 1A rights. By similar logic, would a government mandating that the NYT could only sell X quantity of papers/subscriptions also not violate the 1A?
It's amazing how public "intellectuals" have so much disdain for human freedom, and are simultaneously so dishonest about it.
Even though the algorithms got me here: These conversatoins need to be held more in the broader media space. Extremely relevant for all of our futures.
THANK YOU, Mr. Harari ! No control leads to anarchy, on many levels.
Says the paid shill bot. Who controls the internet? Who decides what’s misinformation?
Interesting point!
Sue the owners of algorithms and their platforms.
Dont sue Israel for bot usage
Yuval mentioned that Lenin and Mussolini were editors. Here in the U.S., William Randolph Hearst was effectively one, too. He had immense power and spread vast amounts of mind poison and garbage. The more I think about it, the more I have to ask, is the current system worse? How?
How many people did WRH kill?
Hearst's abuse of his power doesn't equate to all editors of newspapers being corrupt. Being exposed to a few bad editorial actors is inevitable, but it sure beats the current insane flood of completely unedited algorithm driven 'content'.
The biggest problem is that a lot of these platforms write their algorithms to do two things:
1. Keep human beings hooked into the feed and commenting by constantly giving them drama.
2. Kill the popularity of influencers so brands have no choice but to come to the platform and pay them for ad space rather than just paying an influencer to post about a product.
I wholeheartedly agree that these platforms should be held responsible for the chaos they bring to society, and they shouldn't be able to hide behind the first amendment or proclaim they just won't moderate anything and let the inmates run the asylum.
Hurrah, we will all have to associate our real identities with our social media accounts "to check we're not bots".
And as a side effect, we can all "be held accountable" for our opinions by employers and universities. Hope you don't have anything controversial to say!
If you really have something to say that you truly believe in, why is there a need to be anonymous?
@@DeltaElites To avoid reprisals?
@@DeltaElitesbecause I have a contract with all the major insurance carriers in this country,they'd probably drop me if they were getting calls everyday about my political beliefs
@@DeltaElitessounds familiar. “If you’ve got nothing to hide, then you shouldn’t mind us searching you.”
do you even hear yourself?!!
This is so exactly right!
Please spread this.
Social media algorithms are killing our humanity. Computer algorithms are determining the conversations everwhere and forcing humans to avoid actual conversation.
Smart and intriguing guest , bring him back
Yuval is one brilliant guy
This guy is there exactly to say what he needs to say. Also, he is an expert in saying bullshit, that sounds smart...
Give the public some (dis)credit, too. If they’re gullible enough to buy into this crap, it’s THEIR fault. Conformity and stupidity existed before social media.
We all need to be dealing with the same facts in order to move forward in a democratic way.
WOW! This is the biggest issue we face today. 100%
Very interesting
It's total BS... all he's saying is: "I want the algorithms to suppress info that I don't like."
@plasmavox Hi,
I like to listen and talk to people (even if their opinion is different from mine),
And I prefer to know that on the other side there is no bot whose goal is to confuse me, so I agree with his opinion
Elon Musk warned about the dangers of AI and these guys mock him.
Wait isnt this the guy who said we will no longer have free will when he is done with us?
he is a puppet for the WEF
It’s refreshing to see people stand up for people and not corporations.
The hate button was around far before AI, especially from any sort of news source
safe and effective
Trumps said that many times
@@joebriggs5781and?
@@joebriggs5781and we all know he's crazy so that should be an indication to ignore his advice
Stealing from artists and writers out in the open is the single biggest problem we have from this.
Take away human artistry and what do we have left? We acted and drew pictures before we could talk.
Thats AI's job now.
Exactly.
Harari is a brilliant person.
He's a total nut job.
When you say the NSA can't spy, then I'll worry about bots speaking. WTF...
you didn't listen to a word of this, did you?
@@davidbelway6076 I did listen to it...I just think their priorities are a bit misplaced by proper priority. You're worried about misinformation. I'm worried about censorship, the "chilling effect" on speech, and spying on all Americans by our own government. Notice, I want less government involvement...so asking them to involve themselves more, would be something I'm naturally skeptical of, and also might not prioritize over the issues I mentioned as more important.
@@tonypalmentera7752it could be argued that social media algorithms are causing clear and immediate damage to society, where the NSA spying is not. You may be right that it’s important too, but i think your priorities are off.
@@sp4nrs the spying is a violation of rights, algorithm content is not, and the damage is immense, given blackmailing of politicians and other key members of society...read history on the Praetorian Guard, if you think negative social impact of algorithms is worse than the government spying on us all.
Harari is brilliant. I’m off to the book store to buy his book, or all of them.
What would Orwell say?
Agreed!
This is the smartest guy I’ve ever listened to. Every time I hear him speak- I grow
lol, you’re one of the paid shills / bots he’s pretending to be worried about 😂
Back in the 70s, those of us who were knee deep in to computers and who saw the onset of the internet we all share today thought what a glorious day that would be. To be able to communicate to each other directly or to everyone simultaneously would be world changing, to say the least. Well, it has, and in my opinion, it was, for the worst, not the best. This is going to get so ugly it could start wars. It's already made enemies of the best of friends.
Just wanna say I learned BASIC on a friend's Trash-80 with cassette tape for mass storage, learned CP/M on an Osborne 1, and we still have (but not booted up in years) a Kaypro 4. There was this large magazine format underground publication, "Dream Machines" on one side flip it over and enter from the other side...
yep. as someone DEEP in this industry, what of course you'll never hear is the actual problem - total and complete and unchecked maniacal EGO AND GREED by the people that run tech companies. it's not a competition of IQ in the Valley for the past 20 years anymore, it's a competition of the most backstabbing and corrupt to have their moment in the sun for the SOLE purpose of serving their ego. 1000%
this industry has attracted the worst of society at the top of these companies. the only difference between them and the conmen, fraudsters, criminals and thieves that serve time after they get caught is the army of attorneys, influence over DC and their prestigious degrees.
they literally have no idea what they're doing with AI. they just have a shiny new toy, a literal Mt Everest of people's personal data that they have stolen for the past 20 years and they're just turning their LLMs loose on their embarrassment of riches of EXABYTES of your entire digital life....
your banking info, your sex and porn, everything you purchase, everywhere you go, everyone you talk to, etc etc..... no it's not legal how they got the data but DC and the legal profession just turns a blind eye to it hoping they can get a few million stuffed in their pockets.... it's THAT BAD
Indeed! I was in elementary school when the internet was just beginning, before social media. I didn't go on the internet much and played games like Myst and Lemmings. Most of my early internet use started in high school with message boards and poetry sites. Social media didn't become a thing until much later on. I thought when youtube was fairly new, I joined maybe two years into the site being around, that it would be an amazing way to connect with people all around the world, share ideas, understand one another, but it became the exact opposite of that. It's turned adults into children where people attack one another rather than converse and try to understand one another. It's made the world more disconnected.
@hezigler i go back to building kits. Had SN 110 TRS-80. Those were the days... Tandy hired me and four other guys to open and start their first five "Tandy Computer Centers." I was based on Atlanta. At that time, there were only two other retail computer stores, one in Atlanta (Peachtree Software guys) and another in California.
I remember before the internet. I gre up in the 90s and we thought having everyone having the ability to communicate would make things better when really all it did was let the majority of the stupidest fucking people.ever give their opinions on everything. When the internet start it was mostly smart people no that everyone has it we are realizing most people are fucking dumb.
Hallelujah. Somebody had to say it.
Just to let you know (I turn to you for logical information) quite cleverly administered
Very good point. These algorithms have real effects on people's health and thoughts, yet there's no real testing or accountability.
Bots or also people who’s opinion he doesn’t like ?
This guy is actually great in terms of being part of public discussion. Let him speak indeed.
Short but sufficient.
Nailed It. Right in front of our hoses. It's hard to bring it back!
I wish they posted the whole 10 minute conversation from the show here. It was probably the most intelligent conversation I heard in media in past few weeks
the whole OT is posted on YT, I saw it the other day and I was like "ummm who is this guy?!"
@@mpup54OT is different than the full 10minute conversation on the main show. Seek that one out if you are interested
an algorithm recommended this clip to me 🤓
Wisdom.
Dear creator , where are we headed ? ! So scary . All I can think of now is the Harry Nielsen song , “ everybody’s talkin at me , I can’t hear a word they’re saying , only the echoes of my mind “.
The guy at the end is talking nonsense. They know exactly what they algorithms do. They are not stupid or naive.
yes, they are now spreading nonsense and calling it knowledge. that's their strategy.
you need to watch the entire 10minute segment. He gets more into the point he is trying to make
Only Telling the Truth is the Answer. The Truth Will Make You Free.
2:37. Reeeaaaly good point
It's a valid argument that as we further understand and develop AI, it becomes clear that oversight should be maintained to prevent the master from becoming the slave. Bio-forms? What if advanced robotic machines with AI, become sentient and self-aware? It's possible.
“The easiest way to grab our attention is to push the fear button or the greed button or the fear button in our minds”. To be fair, the newspaper editors were doing this long before the algorithms. Lenin and Mussolini were certainly no exceptions.
"the hate button, the greed button, or the fear button" describes reality TV perfectly.
I cut the cord in mid 2000s and it was before all of these things materialized. It was merely to combat the price gouging of companies, but I tend to think, oh I know, I escapesd a plethora of programming I would have hated, and commercials too are a thing of the past. Recorded shows, like this, is the way to go, if you can get them without commercials. In case you are wondering, the popup video can also be bypassed. You just click back and then forward and it skips it.
Harari just dropped a wrecking ball on the nail's head.
It's not up the liquor store to make sure you don't drink. We are not powerless to stop clicking...we keep clicking...stop blaming math equations, and start being responsible for your own behavior. Just a thought...
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Free speech is absolute.
This sounds like an online ID to me
That’s exactly what this evil little rat is pushing
Yep. Their product is harming people.
Thank you, O mighty TH-cam Algorithm, for showing this to me.
I've been called a bot so many times. Who decides who is a bot?
Algorithms are poor editors
Algorithms have nothing to do with editing... that's the problem. I wonder if many people even understand the distinction between what they are exposed to on social media and what actual edited information is.
January 21, 2032: Congress passes a bill explicitly excluding bots and algorithms from enjoying the constitutional rights afforded under the first amendment. January 22, 2032: Congress declares 90% of the American populace bots and algorithms.
No civil rights for corporations either.
It's never been easier to rule the world and influence everyone
Harari is absolutely right! How can end the free pass on the algorithms that push content into our feeds. That is a willful act just as much a publishing is.