gh9833.. "That was a big tropical rain [storm]".. Indeed!! Those practices.. most of them.. made a lot sense.. and helped to guard and protect the unity and indentity of families in decent well-understood ways.. unnecessary animosities were next to zero.. Stay well...
As a Kumam I believe the Kumams adopted Luo culture especially through intermarriages but the current Kumam has a vast difference with the Kumam of 100 years ago even most Kumam names are different from Luo names especially in men but Kumams now are more related to Lango people than Itesots
I conquer with you, but the narrator is very confused and doesn't want to identify with his original roots and I think he's been blinded by the current flare of modern civilization conditioned with whites and the narrator wants to behave like an Arab who denies perennially his affinity with the Caucasoid yet both bear the same affinity and ancestors
Peter, it would be good to eventually list the Groups that are True Luos as time goes by. And which ones are Bantu tribes who speak Luo so we can differentiate. Thank you for all your hard work.
I agree with you like in Kenya, the Sakwa people where RAILA comes from are Bantus from the bloodline of the Wanga Kingdom of Mumias Kenya.... And many don't know this..... It pains knowing a vibrant people like Luos in Kenya lacking leadership...
Kumo in Dhopadhola is exactly how he has explained. When you sit with your hand(s) holding your cheeks and chin, looking tired, sorrowful and miserable
Great work, Peter. To me, the Kumam are not Luos. Like the Suba, they assimilated Luo language and culture probably as a survival tactic dealing with other Bantu tribes that may have been attacking them at the time.
This is my first time commenting on this platform, have followed this channel for along time and liked it too. i started reading and researching about the origin of Luos in 2017. from this conversation i have gleaned a few things. 1. Asol is a Luo name common in asembo kenya. 2. A dance for twins was called miend malongo, this a heard from my elders when i was young. 3. Go dwar was common hunting expedition in my village that was decided and dated in a meeting. boto was a small hunting without planning. 4. mojony is a Luo word for exhausted. is there any relation to karamajonj? 5. There is a claim that Igbo of Nigeria originated from goshen from the houses or arodi and aleri the sons of Gad the son of Jacob. Thank you so much for your effort. its already bearing good fruits.
Hi JAteng.. Thank you so much for your insightful observation.. it's brought out the impacts of Luo-influence in the ancient history of Asembo (Kenya).. May I ask please.. Which part of Kenya is Asembo in..? Asante.. Thank you.. Stay well and good health...
Kumam comes from the word Kumo. You "kumo" when you feel sorrow. In old Kenyan Luo, my grandpa's generation, we had a lot of Akumu names. Modern Luos have stuck to the Atieno, Anyango, Adhiambo. Amondi, Achieng and Awuor. The old Luo names are disappearing.
Kumam have a very complex history. I just finished doing a documentary on them. I'll possibly upload it tomorrow. Make sure you watch it. The history has several angles.
The Jopadhola named the area of Kaberamaido. It means this place is good for groundnuts. Ka means this place in Padhola, ber means good, maido means groundnuts. Kaberamaido is Dhopadhola. The Jopadhola stayed there temporarily during their southward journey. The Jopadhola also gave the Basoga the name of maido which means groundnuts in Lusoga.
Okumu was clearly left behind because he preffered to remain with his wife who was an Ateso . The origin of Ethopia is still very correct. The Lou also were once in Ethopia before they settled in Ba el ghazel. Eastern Ethopia is very much connected to Bar el Ghazel in Sudan. As Lou reached the present Kaberamaido, they found it very fertile, near water, and lives it. Hence the statement " Ka ber amayi do!" Literally meaning: this olace is so good. I grab it from you. Therefore fought the Ateker (plain nilotes like the Iteso of today) and pushed them away from there and occupied it for some time. When Okumu married an atesot lady he opted to stay with jer near her people when the rest like Adhola, owinyi, etc, decided to move further. They would time and again miss Okumu and when they checked after years, the wife said Okumu mam meaning Okumu was not there. By then Okumu could have gone hunting because he was good at game hunting. It is believed that Okumu was also posibly having wives elsewhere and could have gone to his other wives, and the wofe simply said he was not there. Perhaps Okumu died in such errands and his brothers never saw him again. And so the descendants became jo kumam. Now, this version of reverand points that Kumam are not Luo but plain nilotes who adopted luo language. But jopadhola habe it that Kumam wete true luo who adopted a lingua franka because of intermarriage between Luo and Iteso. All seem to hold water. But, we also appreciate the fact that some of us habe little oral history from our grand fathers. So, we are probably getting fabricated story but not real history. 😅😅
KP am so proud of you and the work you are doing to dig deeper into the roots of the Luo nations. An iluonga ni Owino Mike jakager ma ugenya Siaya county Ugunja constituency. Kindly find out among the Luo speaking nations in their own traditional and cultural set up if they had disciplinary mechanisms for offenders amongst them. For example kangato okwalo chi wadgi, kata dhiang kata owete malaro pwodho malweny owuokie kwerewa machon ne handle cases go nadi. Another issue I heard some Luo guys from Uganda refering to my hand as 'chinga' this is also famously used in the so called USA Kenya region and especially ugenya. Erokamano ahinya Kogot jakarachuonyo Nyasaye omedi Teko imed fwenyonwa wechegi.
Thank you so much Jakager. I try my best to give the best. I will definitely dig into the important topics. Kindly help me share my videos widely with your friends and family. I need more luos here.
@@KPtravels001 I am glad to hear that. I've always wanted to say your search about Luo origin will not be complete until you venture outside people who do not identify themselves as Luo, such as the Iteso. These people not only have common origins, but have also had on-and-off contact, continuing to influence each other until at some point it is not easy to tell who has influenced each other more, and which aspect is from, or a vestige of the shared origins, or as a result of the said contact.
I would conclude that the Kumam are an offshoot of the Lang'i whose interactions with the Iteso had an influence in their luo language so much so that they added iteso vocabulary into their language.
I am a Lango! our history tells us that We are Ateker, actually Lango, Karamojong and itesots left Ethiopian Highlands and splitted from karamoja region. How ever we started to adopt much of Luo Culture including some Words because we settled near Acholi.
I appreciate your works. I believe that we the langi assimilated but i think this whole assimilation started before we even settled in present day northern Uganda. If we really assimilated then some of the langi would be using the Acholi dialect 😂😂. But all langi everywhere speak one language called leb Lango regardless of the geographically locations. The other thing also that I've seen is that the Acholi, Alur , japadhola , and jaluo are similar but the dialects are still different in one way or the other. KP should draw a very fair conclusion at the end of this all. Thank you so much i appreciate
Have you heard of the Shilluk theory? Some people believe the Lango broke off from them before mixing with Ateker people. This could be a plausible explanation for your confused history. Some might stem from Ateker while others could be Luo, your clans have Ateker names as far as I know.
@@kr3539 The Shilluk theory is a lie. During Obote there was a huge campaign to recruit people in the army therefore they had to drum the message that Langi are Lwo a lot of Lwo language was used. They ended up recruiting more army from the Acoli ethnic group followed by Langi and other ethnic groups. Acoli comprised the most number and they died the most also.
Can he name how twins are named in kumam? What's the name of the first child among the kumam, and what about the second child among twins? If one of the twins dies how will the surviving child named and celebrated? How was mourning conducted and how many days was mourning to last in case of death? What about defraying expenses, how was it done? Were mourners fed at a particular time? What necessited multiple wives in kumam and how legitimate was the second wife to the first one wife?
The thing is luos have very distinct physical features. If one looks like luo, and talk like luo he or she is a luo. This guy is luo. Langos are luo. Suba in kenya are luo today as they look more luo than bantu. If a people overwhelmingly inter marry with luos they become luos and look like luo. There are suba people who look even more luo than your average luo.
Kumam, jopokumu Okumu was the brother of Owiny, kadhirondi, Adhola,Olumi, Rukidi who went to bunyooro etc. So kumam is not even under Luo but they're real Luos because of their ancestor called Okumu.
ur dead wrong--THAT ONE WORD IS PRONOUNCED DIRRERNTLY--the intonation is diffrerent but spellings are same--holding both sides of u r chins in ur palms is frowned upon by parents--it is an ominous sign--and luos call it "kumo". ur dholuo knowledge is limited! wen kumo is used to mean punishment, it is a case of borrowing swahili word "hukumu"@@hilaryonyango7468
In my own research, "kumam" are basically iteso additional splinter groups like the jie, karamojong, turkana and the rest, most clans in kumam are more of Iteso just langi more often identify with the iteso in terms of their clans whereas the language is more of luo dialects than ateso
I don't think the Kumam are Lou, but they do speak luo, just like the lango. I actually think these 3 groups, Acholi, Lango and Kumam have some sort of assimilation, like intermarriages.
Great additions KP.. The 2 dimensions.. the "Atekerin.." and the "Jo p'Okumu.." ("Okumu-mam" = "Kumam").. make pretty strong and thoughtful "argument" either way.. Only the real accuracy and absolute truth is/are hidden in the past.. many centuries gone.. The "pointed" explanatory details about the name "Soroti".. how it came about.. are (were) really captivating.. very enjoyable listening to how carefully the explanation[s] was [were] put out.. Erokamano.. Apwoyo.. Good health...
@@kr3539 You do not know Acoli then. My entire clan for generations back I have not traced any who is married to a madi or a Lango. May be recently some could but it would be rare. And one Acoli man would mary many women but within Luo/Lwo clans. There are so many clans in Acoli, you need to do your search properly by going among the people and talk to people.
Am skeptical about this story. I disagree with that retired gentleman. The Kumam ariginated from Lalle, at the Kyoga lake shores. It's from there the the luo and Iteso intermarried to form Kumam. Ku is luo and mam is Teso language. It's from Lalle that the Kumam made an expansion towards lango areas through fights. The Kumams have much linings to Iteso than the Luo, given that almost all the kumam clans are from Iteso, meaning we share the same culture with Iteso. Patrick Oluka.
@KPtravels001 I'm already waiting on my own results lol, need to make sure I'm not descended from a jamua. You never know with Kenyan Luos, we're all mixed. Since I came back from Gulu I've noticed that a lot of Joluo look more like bantus. I've been told I look Rwandan because my skin is light and I'm tall.
@@kr3539 In Ethiopia, I was told that I look like (the mountain people = Tigrays etc). I looked shorter and lighter compared to the Anywaa (luo of Ethiopia ).😂😂
The Lango and Kumam are assimilated Ateker groups into Luo similar to the Suba . These groups were assimilated Linguistically, Culturally and through intermarriages with the Luo . For instance the Lango provided one of the toughest resistance to Luo assimilation unlike the Bantu Suba or Bantu Bunyoro Kitara that was ruled by Luo-Babito .
The Luo did not practice slavery unlike some Bantu groups such as Buganda . The Luo like the Fulani of West Africa ,the Somali of North-East and East Africa ,the waswahili of Eastern and South-Eastern Africa and the Zulu of Southern Africa are among the most spread out groups in the world and Africa continent . The Luo occupy at least 9 territories due to the capacity to organize socially, culturally ,economically and through the skilled warriors like Owinyi and Lwanda Magere .
In Lower Egypt/Sudan the Luo-Shilluk Kingdom stopped the Turko-Egyptian advancement and Arab slavery in 645AD . In 1912 the Luo-Anuak/Anywaa Kingdom that straddled Sudan, Ethiopia/Gambella, Eritrea defeated the British . Before Italian annexation Eritrea was part of Ethiopia . The Luo-Babito Kingdom of the Jo-Bito clan from Acholi land removed the Bachwezi rulers of Bunyoro Kitara and formed one the most successful Kingdoms in Eastern, Central and North Eastern Africa . The Luo-Babito Kingdom lasted 400-500 years and was ended by Uganda government in 1967 and officially 1971 after Idi Amin coup against Milton Obote .
History of the luo is deep. I would really want to know why luo is so spread out. If they had strong ability to organise themselves and form Kingdoms, I expected them to exist as one big kingdom and not spread out in small groups.
@@KPtravels001 Okot P'Bitek a Uganda Luo-Acholi Poet and Lawyer wrote a dissertation at Oxford UK on the assimilation of the Lango by Luo that included at least 500 years of interactions and intermarriages . Some present day Lango still claim their original identity while others prefer their present day assimilated Luo identity . Similar to the Suba and other assimilated Luo groups . Present day DNA reveal admixtures similar to the Banyarwanda who have predominant Niger-Congo Bantu DNA associated with the Banyarwanda hutu and variations of Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic DNA associated with Banyarwanda tutsi .
@@KPtravels001 How are you all doing in Kenya due to floods? In Acoli the army commanda has ordered Acoli people out of land called Apaa. We are just hoping for divine help from above.
The biggest question is whether you yourself are Luo my friend. Kenyan Luos are no different than the Kumam, the only difference is that our elders lied to us. I just took a DNA test, I'm descended from a Cushitic man. Yet if you ask Luo elders Kabodho clan of Nyakach was part of the larger migration. I'm furious at the realisation that I'm non-Luo.
Hahahaha calm down my brother 😂. The luoness is dictated by the paternal ancestry. So if your paternal lineage is luo then you are good. Even "Kimirwa" is considered as "wuod dala"
@@KPtravels001 My paternal ancestry is Cushitic, e1b1b V-32 to be exact, check my page. Nyakach history is fabricated, we never came with Joka-Jok. I suggest you get tested as well because these elders cannot be trusted.
@@KPtravels001 My Y-DNA haplogroup: V-32 (Cushitic) My mtDNA haplogroup: L0 (Khoisanid) Do you know who else got L0? Lupita Nyongo. Autosomally I'm only 4.9% Nilotic, yet both my parents are from Nyakach (Kabodho and Kadiang'a). My genetic make up is primarily bantu.
@@mubatsievonne4649 Impossible, like any tribe there is admixture through intermarriage/assimilation but to say that the whole community is assimilated would mean that we're all of Bantu/Cushitic descent. I personally don't look like a Luo, I'm brown skinned and taller than the average Luo in Kenya (6'1"). There's been times where people have mistaken me for a Rwandan, Ethiopian or Somali but I just assumed it was due to admixture. Turns out I'm not even descended from a Nilotic man + carry very little Nilotic ancestry.
@@odochokee9856 wow. Now for us the descriptions of dyel and dhyang were given to the Madi and Lugbara. Madi were Madi dyel and the Lugbara were Madi Dhyang. Now I wonder why we use those specific adjectives.
That leads to the big question. What defines luo? Blood (genes) or culture? If blood, then how do you categorize kids resulting from Intermarriages? And if culture, then how do you categorize people (from other tribes) assimilated into Luo culture and language?
@@KPtravels001 We are not Europeans so in Africa the clans defines your origin by ethnicity, your roots your ancestors to thousand years back. None of these people have their clans among the Luo/Lwo groups. All clans of Lango, Kumam and Teso are none of these are in Lwo/Luo nor lwo language. When a child is born from day one, they already know which clan the child belongs to. That muze was just deceiving you, he knows this. How can he tell you they are using Luo/Lwo bible so that makes them Lwo/Luo?
@@KPtravels001Great question and I’d venture to say that in cases of intermarriages, due to patriarchy, people default to the father’s tribe as the children’s cultural heritage.
Since Acholi didnt assimillate Kuman. It is convinient to say that Kumam were assimilated into Luo culture by the Lango. It is possible to deduce that Lango were initially Luo but meet ateker earlier. Most likely Lango were from Luo of Anywaa cluster.
This kumam guy is demented, his original roots are basically iteso not luo, they only adopted luo language because of higher proximity with Luos and intermarriages and partly civil wars that rocked that section of the Ugandan republic and additionally they opted to lean towards luo for political favours at the time when luo enjoyed political favour and supremacy. Even at present i am told there's a melting pot of cultures in that region with respect to civil wars and political turmoil that rocked Uganda hence midwifing a n additional language called "ikokolemu" with a variance of Luo and ateso languages, from the look of things the guy is living in denial when he mentions many ateso words more fluently than Luo, he should be reminded people never like assimilating other languages and groups of people like the Luo do in any case such magnitude occurs, such groups are initiated into the community through a special ritual as a clan for future references and rememberances provided they identify with particular clan totems and it's for that reason Luos are represented in Teso as "ikomolo clan" considered if they eat the first fruit 🍓 of any tree 🌴 they become bitter either on cultural, religious or political perspectives
@@odochokee9856 now for us the one we call "ful" is the white one. I'm sure that's our pronunciation of "pwuul" the same way some of our words in some Acoli pronunciation changes the p to and f
That kumam guy is much more of Arab against a Jew or a Russian denying affinity with a Ukrainian or a Ukrainian refusing to recognize a Russian or a Chinese denying affinity with a Korea or a thaiwanese or a chitagonian of Myanmar or kachin, Mon or Karen or rohingya
Can that the narrator being interviewed give the names of clans in any case they correspond with Luo clans and culture than circumventing issues shameless
Than historically is lost and is trying malign and distort historical backgrounds for selfish gains and aggrandisement, his version of explanation is punctuated with ambiguity and denial of the true facts which defines kumam were the original iteso who splitted out of some conflicts from the main stem called ilugumi
That guy is just a puppet and stooge who has lost his cultural identity and he's basically trying to justify the unknown, he claims his clan is iraraka, those are clans associated with iteso, he claims in kumam language a foreigner is called emoit which is basically ateso word, in luo a foreigner is jamwa how can claim to be affiliated to luo when he doesn't gasp basic Luo words and vocabulary? The guy is divergent and doesn't understand cultural convictions and tenets even his dualectal articulations justify he's basically affiliated to iteso than luo, it's like those contaminated iteso cultural traditional attributes in the book entitled "asonya k'oteso" where others came with a debilitating counterfeit "the luo during the aconya" i don't know what aconya means in Luo but in iteso it means ancient historical backgrounds before the advent of white occupation and thereafter written by okuda and D. Okalany , this book some historical attributes, witchcraft particularly the use a medium called ajokia which the luo call ajuoke, these were guardian spirits attributed to withchdoctors who prescribed the way of human life and stems from the word "schoko or ajoko" meaning to shepherd like man who keeps livestock leads them to grasslands and returns them to the homestead and during religious invasion these spirits became tormentors and are called ajokini or ajokia in plural and one spirit of that nature assumes the name ajokit and by extension it was thought to send people to commit suicide or any other bad things which translated to satan during religious era to date
Kumam, jopokumu Okumu was the brother of Owiny, kadhirondi, Adhola,Olumi, Rukidi who went to bunyooro etc. So kumam is not even under Luo but they're real Luos because of their ancestor called Okumu.
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Thank you KP, wonderful history. It's getting better everyday. The one about reasons for subsequent wives 😂. That was a big tropical rain❤.
gh9833..
"That was a big tropical rain [storm]".. Indeed!!
Those practices.. most of them.. made a lot sense.. and helped to guard and protect the unity and indentity of families in decent well-understood ways.. unnecessary animosities were next to zero..
Stay well...
This is a Luo man....physically and phenotypically.
Wow. This is really good. The influence of the Luo in the Kumam is showcased in this interview. Great job KoGot
Amazing ❤
Am the second today,am so happy brother KP👏👏👏
Erokamano nyamera. I appreciate so much. This luo journey is getting deeper and deeper.
@KPtravels001 sounds great bro👍
As a Kumam I believe the Kumams adopted Luo culture especially through intermarriages but the current Kumam has a vast difference with the Kumam of 100 years ago even most Kumam names are different from Luo names especially in men but Kumams now are more related to Lango people than Itesots
I conquer with you, but the narrator is very confused and doesn't want to identify with his original roots and I think he's been blinded by the current flare of modern civilization conditioned with whites and the narrator wants to behave like an Arab who denies perennially his affinity with the Caucasoid yet both bear the same affinity and ancestors
Peter, it would be good to eventually list the Groups that are True Luos as time goes by. And which ones are Bantu tribes who speak Luo so we can differentiate. Thank you for all your hard work.
There are some headings which would be under this
:
1.Luo by bloodline
2. Luo by social assimilation
3. Luo by other association
Etc .....
I agree with you like in Kenya, the Sakwa people where RAILA comes from are Bantus from the bloodline of the Wanga Kingdom of Mumias Kenya.... And many don't know this..... It pains knowing a vibrant people like Luos in Kenya lacking leadership...
Kumo in Dhopadhola is exactly how he has explained. When you sit with your hand(s) holding your cheeks and chin, looking tired, sorrowful and miserable
Proud to be a Kumam 💪🏿🇺🇬
Enyai nakanaka 😂
Very eloquent and exact.
This is the best so far
Njugu(Swahili),Groundnut
English) is called 'Ongiro'
(Dholuo, Kenya, Siaya)
Wonderful Kogot
Great work, Peter. To me, the Kumam are not Luos. Like the Suba, they assimilated Luo language and culture probably as a survival tactic dealing with other Bantu tribes that may have been attacking them at the time.
This is my first time commenting on this platform, have followed this channel for along time and liked it too. i started reading and researching about the origin of Luos in 2017. from this conversation i have gleaned a few things.
1. Asol is a Luo name common in asembo kenya.
2. A dance for twins was called miend malongo, this a heard from my elders when i was young.
3. Go dwar was common hunting expedition in my village that was decided and dated in a meeting. boto was a small hunting without planning.
4. mojony is a Luo word for exhausted. is there any relation to karamajonj?
5. There is a claim that Igbo of Nigeria originated from goshen from the houses or arodi and aleri the sons of Gad the son of Jacob.
Thank you so much for your effort. its already bearing good fruits.
No 4. Karimojong resembles Kwar mojony, meaning tired grandpa
Hi JAteng..
Thank you so much for your insightful observation.. it's brought out the impacts of Luo-influence in the ancient history of Asembo (Kenya)..
May I ask please.. Which part of Kenya is Asembo in..?
Asante.. Thank you..
Stay well and good health...
Not true about the Igbo. They originally came from indigenous pygmy tribes in West Africa who intermarry with some Bantu migrants
kumam nyaii 🥰🥰🥰
Enyai nakanaka 😀
Kumam comes from the word Kumo. You "kumo" when you feel sorrow. In old Kenyan Luo, my grandpa's generation, we had a lot of Akumu names. Modern Luos have stuck to the Atieno, Anyango, Adhiambo. Amondi, Achieng and Awuor. The old Luo names are disappearing.
Kumam have a very complex history. I just finished doing a documentary on them. I'll possibly upload it tomorrow. Make sure you watch it. The history has several angles.
For sure the Kumam has a complicated origin. Many angles all seem true@@KPtravels001
Interesting insights on the Kuman Luo group and their dual heritage.
Good
That is the question I was asking too
I'll definitely need to do more to get a more conclusive answer.
I like the program u a so clear
Kumo has the same meaning for Acholi South Sudan as well.
We have Acholi in South Sudan as well?
Great Peter
Thank you. Help me spread the content widely. I need more luos onboard.
The Jopadhola named the area of Kaberamaido. It means this place is good for groundnuts. Ka means this place in Padhola, ber means good, maido means groundnuts. Kaberamaido is Dhopadhola. The Jopadhola stayed there temporarily during their southward journey. The Jopadhola also gave the Basoga the name of maido which means groundnuts in Lusoga.
It might have been Kabedo-Amaido. The place of peanuts
@@odochokee9856 😀😀
Thanks rv. Elijah I have been knowing him for a long time
Kumam nyai
After this mans version of history am beginning to believe that Kumams are not Luo's.
Hi,am akumam in Nairobi bt speak little
The good thing is that our brothers kumam are now LUO
Okumu was clearly left behind because he preffered to remain with his wife who was an Ateso .
The origin of Ethopia is still very correct. The Lou also were once in Ethopia before they settled in Ba el ghazel. Eastern Ethopia is very much connected to Bar el Ghazel in Sudan.
As Lou reached the present Kaberamaido, they found it very fertile, near water, and lives it. Hence the statement " Ka ber amayi do!" Literally meaning: this olace is so good. I grab it from you. Therefore fought the Ateker (plain nilotes like the Iteso of today) and pushed them away from there and occupied it for some time. When Okumu married an atesot lady he opted to stay with jer near her people when the rest like Adhola, owinyi, etc, decided to move further. They would time and again miss Okumu and when they checked after years, the wife said Okumu mam meaning Okumu was not there. By then Okumu could have gone hunting because he was good at game hunting.
It is believed that Okumu was also posibly having wives elsewhere and could have gone to his other wives, and the wofe simply said he was not there. Perhaps Okumu died in such errands and his brothers never saw him again. And so the descendants became jo kumam.
Now, this version of reverand points that Kumam are not Luo but plain nilotes who adopted luo language.
But jopadhola habe it that Kumam wete true luo who adopted a lingua franka because of intermarriage between Luo and Iteso.
All seem to hold water.
But, we also appreciate the fact that some of us habe little oral history from our grand fathers.
So, we are probably getting fabricated story but not real history.
😅😅
Yadh lang'o in Luo-Kenya we call that yadh nyaluo.
These are a product of Luo and Ateker, I believe the dhopadhola version explains it all
KP am so proud of you and the work you are doing to dig deeper into the roots of the Luo nations. An iluonga ni Owino Mike jakager ma ugenya Siaya county Ugunja constituency. Kindly find out among the Luo speaking nations in their own traditional and cultural set up if they had disciplinary mechanisms for offenders amongst them. For example kangato okwalo chi wadgi, kata dhiang kata owete malaro pwodho malweny owuokie kwerewa machon ne handle cases go nadi. Another issue I heard some Luo guys from Uganda refering to my hand as 'chinga' this is also famously used in the so called USA Kenya region and especially ugenya. Erokamano ahinya Kogot jakarachuonyo Nyasaye omedi Teko imed fwenyonwa wechegi.
Thank you so much Jakager. I try my best to give the best. I will definitely dig into the important topics. Kindly help me share my videos widely with your friends and family. I need more luos here.
@@KPtravels001 I will make sure your videos are shared far and wide, this is deep history, ber ndi woud onagi, apuoyo ahinya
@@jakagerokeukamrembo9465 erokamano jayadha.
Why do the Ateso, at least of Kenya, have similar names to Luo?
Good job! Kindly share this mzee's contact!
Send me a private message.
Can l have the mzee no,l would like to aske him something
I'm not sure if it's ethical to give his number but you can send me a private message.
In Ethiopia we have Anywaa who speak a Luo dialect and their brother also came downwards.Kumam could be their brother.
Kumo in Luo is exactly what this man explains. One showing Sadness facially or through some action
Iam so proud to be kumo WC come from word sorrowful iam realkumam
Irarak and Inomu are Teso clans. Based on what I've been told in Teso, this version of Kumam origins sounds more credible.
I really, will have to dig more. I will have to interview the iteso people about the Kumam.
@@KPtravels001 I am glad to hear that. I've always wanted to say your search about Luo origin will not be complete until you venture outside people who do not identify themselves as Luo, such as the Iteso. These people not only have common origins, but have also had on-and-off contact, continuing to influence each other until at some point it is not easy to tell who has influenced each other more, and which aspect is from, or a vestige of the shared origins, or as a result of the said contact.
Also in Lango we have Inomu and Arak clans
I would conclude that the Kumam are an offshoot of the Lang'i whose interactions with the Iteso had an influence in their luo language so much so that they added iteso vocabulary into their language.
That’s a more reasonable take, since their vocabulary consists more of Leb lango than Itesot or Ngakaramojong
From the way they count 1 to 10, it seems they were originally Iteso then assimilated by the Lango
I am a Lango! our history tells us that We are Ateker, actually Lango, Karamojong and itesots left Ethiopian Highlands and splitted from karamoja region. How ever we started to adopt much of Luo Culture including some Words because we settled near Acholi.
nyikumama is nyikwa mama.......
I appreciate your works. I believe that we the langi assimilated but i think this whole assimilation started before we even settled in present day northern Uganda. If we really assimilated then some of the langi would be using the Acholi dialect 😂😂. But all langi everywhere speak one language called leb Lango regardless of the geographically locations.
The other thing also that I've seen is that the Acholi, Alur , japadhola , and jaluo are similar but the dialects are still different in one way or the other. KP should draw a very fair conclusion at the end of this all. Thank you so much i appreciate
Have you heard of the Shilluk theory? Some people believe the Lango broke off from them before mixing with Ateker people. This could be a plausible explanation for your confused history. Some might stem from Ateker while others could be Luo, your clans have Ateker names as far as I know.
@@kr3539 The Shilluk theory is a lie. During Obote there was a huge campaign to recruit people in the army therefore they had to drum the message that Langi are Lwo a lot of Lwo language was used. They ended up recruiting more army from the Acoli ethnic group followed by Langi and other ethnic groups. Acoli comprised the most number and they died the most also.
Can he name how twins are named in kumam? What's the name of the first child among the kumam, and what about the second child among twins? If one of the twins dies how will the surviving child named and celebrated?
How was mourning conducted and how many days was mourning to last in case of death? What about defraying expenses, how was it done? Were mourners fed at a particular time?
What necessited multiple wives in kumam and how legitimate was the second wife to the first one wife?
The thing is luos have very distinct physical features. If one looks like luo, and talk like luo he or she is a luo. This guy is luo. Langos are luo. Suba in kenya are luo today as they look more luo than bantu. If a people overwhelmingly inter marry with luos they become luos and look like luo. There are suba people who look even more luo than your average luo.
Hahahaha this is from a luo pride point of view 😅😅
Subas look Bantu short, big nose and stocky
Joimo_JOMWA,JODUM_Jodhum
kumo is also mean the same thing the way he has explained in Luo kenya
Kumam, jopokumu Okumu was the brother of Owiny, kadhirondi, Adhola,Olumi, Rukidi who went to bunyooro etc.
So kumam is not even under Luo but they're real Luos because of their ancestor called Okumu.
Bhar El Gazel is in modern day Chad. I just searched on Google maps. Maybe that's why there are people in Chad who say they are Luo.
South Sudan
The Sara people in southern Chad may have connection with Luos.
Have you done a DNA test Ken?
@@georgeochieng8013 no
Kumo means sorrow in Acholi too
Kumo means to punish....not sorry
ur dead wrong--THAT ONE WORD IS PRONOUNCED DIRRERNTLY--the intonation is diffrerent but spellings are same--holding both sides of u r chins in ur palms is frowned upon by parents--it is an ominous sign--and luos call it "kumo". ur dholuo knowledge is limited! wen kumo is used to mean punishment, it is a case of borrowing swahili word "hukumu"@@hilaryonyango7468
very correct!
Kumo means mourning, being unhappy, especially when you lost your beloved one
According to the story that have gathered from Jopadhola and kumum Elder , I concluded that Kumam are Luos
Kuyo in Ugenya Kenya Lou
'Kuyo" is different from "Kumo" though
His clan, Irarak, is a dominant clan in Teso.
That's why I need to interview the iteso too and ask them about the Kumam.
In my own research, "kumam" are basically iteso additional splinter groups like the jie, karamojong, turkana and the rest, most clans in kumam are more of Iteso just langi more often identify with the iteso in terms of their clans whereas the language is more of luo dialects than ateso
This is a real Luo, very eloquent unlike most Ugandans.
I don't think the Kumam are Lou, but they do speak luo, just like the lango. I actually think these 3 groups, Acholi, Lango and Kumam have some sort of assimilation, like intermarriages.
Great additions KP..
The 2 dimensions.. the "Atekerin.." and the "Jo p'Okumu.." ("Okumu-mam" = "Kumam").. make pretty strong and thoughtful "argument" either way.. Only the real accuracy and absolute truth is/are hidden in the past.. many centuries gone..
The "pointed" explanatory details about the name "Soroti".. how it came about.. are (were) really captivating.. very enjoyable listening to how carefully the explanation[s] was [were] put out..
Erokamano.. Apwoyo..
Good health...
The Lango and kumam go their language from Acoli Luo. The Lango were traditional enemies of Acoli .
Achoooliii😂😂😂😂 Acholi are Luos in its purest form.... We hv acholi in Uganda Sudan
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No Acholi are only 43% Luo, the rest are descended from Madi and Ateker.
@@kr3539 You do not know Acoli then. My entire clan for generations back I have not traced any who is married to a madi or a Lango. May be recently some could but it would be rare. And one Acoli man would mary many women but within Luo/Lwo clans. There are so many clans in Acoli, you need to do your search properly by going among the people and talk to people.
Language is basically a cultural feature and not a genetic feature or factor, I can speak Luo fluently and I am not a luo
Kïïmö or kïmmö: mean sorrow
Am skeptical about this story. I disagree with that retired gentleman. The Kumam ariginated from Lalle, at the Kyoga lake shores. It's from there the the luo and Iteso intermarried to form Kumam. Ku is luo and mam is Teso language. It's from Lalle that the Kumam made an expansion towards lango areas through fights. The Kumams have much linings to Iteso than the Luo, given that almost all the kumam clans are from Iteso, meaning we share the same culture with Iteso. Patrick Oluka.
interesting....🤔
It could be easily proved by DNA if the Kumam are the seed of Joseph.
Hahahaha I'm sure you can fund that😂😂
@KPtravels001
I'm already waiting on my own results lol, need to make sure I'm not descended from a jamua. You never know with Kenyan Luos, we're all mixed. Since I came back from Gulu I've noticed that a lot of Joluo look more like bantus. I've been told I look Rwandan because my skin is light and I'm tall.
@@kr3539 In Ethiopia, I was told that I look like (the mountain people = Tigrays etc). I looked shorter and lighter compared to the Anywaa (luo of Ethiopia ).😂😂
That is not true. Africans are from the seed of Ham, which means Kemet (Egypt). They are not from Shem. The Luo are Nilotes from ancient Egypt.
In this world few people are speaking but the rest are reporters. Take your time and read bible well so that you will be among the few speakers
The Lango and Kumam are assimilated Ateker groups into Luo similar to the Suba . These groups were assimilated Linguistically, Culturally and through intermarriages with the Luo . For instance the Lango provided one of the toughest resistance to Luo assimilation unlike the Bantu Suba or Bantu Bunyoro Kitara that was ruled by Luo-Babito .
The Luo did not practice slavery unlike some Bantu groups such as Buganda . The Luo like the Fulani of West Africa ,the Somali of North-East and East Africa ,the waswahili of Eastern and South-Eastern Africa and the Zulu of Southern Africa are among the most spread out groups in the world and Africa continent . The Luo occupy at least 9 territories due to the capacity to organize socially, culturally ,economically and through the skilled warriors like Owinyi and Lwanda Magere .
In Lower Egypt/Sudan the Luo-Shilluk Kingdom stopped the Turko-Egyptian advancement and Arab slavery in 645AD . In 1912 the Luo-Anuak/Anywaa Kingdom that straddled Sudan, Ethiopia/Gambella, Eritrea defeated the British . Before Italian annexation Eritrea was part of Ethiopia .
The Luo-Babito Kingdom of the Jo-Bito clan from Acholi land removed the Bachwezi rulers of Bunyoro Kitara and formed one the most successful Kingdoms in Eastern, Central and North Eastern Africa . The Luo-Babito Kingdom lasted 400-500 years and was ended by Uganda government in 1967 and officially 1971 after Idi Amin coup against Milton Obote .
Yeah, Kumam and Lango have a similar story
History of the luo is deep. I would really want to know why luo is so spread out. If they had strong ability to organise themselves and form Kingdoms, I expected them to exist as one big kingdom and not spread out in small groups.
@@KPtravels001 Okot P'Bitek a Uganda Luo-Acholi Poet and Lawyer wrote a dissertation at Oxford UK on the assimilation of the Lango by Luo that included at least 500 years of interactions and intermarriages .
Some present day Lango still claim their original identity while others prefer their present day assimilated Luo identity . Similar to the Suba and other assimilated Luo groups .
Present day DNA reveal admixtures similar to the Banyarwanda who have predominant Niger-Congo Bantu DNA associated with the Banyarwanda hutu and variations of Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan/Nilo-Cushitic DNA associated with Banyarwanda tutsi .
Northern ug we only know lango, acholi, alur that are luos
And Kumam too. Kumam's story is a replica of the lango
In Northern Ug people know that Lango are Ateker they are Nilo-hamites they are not Luo.
@@KPtravels001 How are you all doing in Kenya due to floods? In Acoli the army commanda has ordered Acoli people out of land called Apaa. We are just hoping for divine help from above.
@@Mrpwocber doesn't assimilation count?
@@Mrpwocber concerning the flood, people are managing well on the Kenyan side. Nothing out of hand so far.
The biggest question is whether you yourself are Luo my friend. Kenyan Luos are no different than the Kumam, the only difference is that our elders lied to us. I just took a DNA test, I'm descended from a Cushitic man. Yet if you ask Luo elders Kabodho clan of Nyakach was part of the larger migration. I'm furious at the realisation that I'm non-Luo.
Hahahaha calm down my brother 😂. The luoness is dictated by the paternal ancestry. So if your paternal lineage is luo then you are good. Even "Kimirwa" is considered as "wuod dala"
@@KPtravels001
My paternal ancestry is Cushitic, e1b1b V-32 to be exact, check my page. Nyakach history is fabricated, we never came with Joka-Jok. I suggest you get tested as well because these elders cannot be trusted.
@@KPtravels001
My Y-DNA haplogroup: V-32 (Cushitic)
My mtDNA haplogroup: L0 (Khoisanid)
Do you know who else got L0? Lupita Nyongo. Autosomally I'm only 4.9% Nilotic, yet both my parents are from Nyakach (Kabodho and Kadiang'a). My genetic make up is primarily bantu.
All Kenyan luos are assimilated.
@@mubatsievonne4649
Impossible, like any tribe there is admixture through intermarriage/assimilation but to say that the whole community is assimilated would mean that we're all of Bantu/Cushitic descent. I personally don't look like a Luo, I'm brown skinned and taller than the average Luo in Kenya (6'1"). There's been times where people have mistaken me for a Rwandan, Ethiopian or Somali but I just assumed it was due to admixture. Turns out I'm not even descended from a Nilotic man + carry very little Nilotic ancestry.
in langi it amaido
Lango in Luo means a person who is not Luo, at least in Kenya Luo.
In the traditional deep Alur it means (almost) the same.
In Acoli it is the same. There is lango dyang, lango dyel, lango omiro. The lango of Northern uganda are lango omiro. The karamojong are lango dyang
@@odochokee9856 wow. Now for us the descriptions of dyel and dhyang were given to the Madi and Lugbara. Madi were Madi dyel and the Lugbara were Madi Dhyang. Now I wonder why we use those specific adjectives.
Lango according Luo Kenya includes the Kalenjins, Turkanas, Maasai. Non Luos are Jamwa/Jomwa
Lango literally means enemy in Lebthur
Okumu is luo which means kumam is luo
But remember it's just one hypothesis.
Historically, Kumam and Lango are not luo but just assimilated into the luo culture. They belong to the nilehamites
That leads to the big question. What defines luo? Blood (genes) or culture? If blood, then how do you categorize kids resulting from Intermarriages? And if culture, then how do you categorize people (from other tribes) assimilated into Luo culture and language?
@@KPtravels001 We are not Europeans so in Africa the clans defines your origin by ethnicity, your roots your ancestors to thousand years back. None of these people have their clans among the Luo/Lwo groups. All clans of Lango, Kumam and Teso are none of these are in Lwo/Luo nor lwo language. When a child is born from day one, they already know which clan the child belongs to. That muze was just deceiving you, he knows this. How can he tell you they are using Luo/Lwo bible so that makes them Lwo/Luo?
@@KPtravels001Great question and I’d venture to say that in cases of intermarriages, due to patriarchy, people default to the father’s tribe as the children’s cultural heritage.
Since Acholi didnt assimillate Kuman. It is convinient to say that Kumam were assimilated into Luo culture by the Lango.
It is possible to deduce that Lango were initially Luo but meet ateker earlier.
Most likely Lango were from Luo of Anywaa cluster.
I believe this 10000 times. Lango got assimilated not after settling in present day Uganda
You probably have a big brain
I doubt this theory, I am lango and I think Kumam is somewhere a mixture of lango, Itesot and Karimojongs. Linguistically they speak luo
@@byttlejuice145 Where do you think they got their Luo from.
@@oumaedwin198 The lango might have gotten their initial luo from Luo migration East (the current Kenyan luo) and later refined with the Acholi luo
This kumam guy is demented, his original roots are basically iteso not luo, they only adopted luo language because of higher proximity with Luos and intermarriages and partly civil wars that rocked that section of the Ugandan republic and additionally they opted to lean towards luo for political favours at the time when luo enjoyed political favour and supremacy. Even at present i am told there's a melting pot of cultures in that region with respect to civil wars and political turmoil that rocked Uganda hence midwifing a n additional language called "ikokolemu" with a variance of Luo and ateso languages, from the look of things the guy is living in denial when he mentions many ateso words more fluently than Luo, he should be reminded people never like assimilating other languages and groups of people like the Luo do in any case such magnitude occurs, such groups are initiated into the community through a special ritual as a clan for future references and rememberances provided they identify with particular clan totems and it's for that reason Luos are represented in Teso as "ikomolo clan" considered if they eat the first fruit 🍓 of any tree 🌴 they become bitter either on cultural, religious or political perspectives
Ground nuts in Alur are "kalanga"
Don't know how the others call it
I thought kalanga (karanga) came from swahili? I'm from Kenya
@@kennethotieno995 then I'll need to ask some elders for an older word. That's what is commonly used now.
In Acholi it is pwuul
@@odochokee9856 now for us the one we call "ful" is the white one. I'm sure that's our pronunciation of "pwuul" the same way some of our words in some Acoli pronunciation changes the p to and f
@@eliazali_4200 pwuul/pfuul in Acholi is the general name but there are specific names for the white one and the red ones
That kumam guy is much more of Arab against a Jew or a Russian denying affinity with a Ukrainian or a Ukrainian refusing to recognize a Russian or a Chinese denying affinity with a Korea or a thaiwanese or a chitagonian of Myanmar or kachin, Mon or Karen or rohingya
Can that the narrator being interviewed give the names of clans in any case they correspond with Luo clans and culture than circumventing issues shameless
Your language is a mix of luo and ateker , eti locen amae
Than historically is lost and is trying malign and distort historical backgrounds for selfish gains and aggrandisement, his version of explanation is punctuated with ambiguity and denial of the true facts which defines kumam were the original iteso who splitted out of some conflicts from the main stem called ilugumi
That guy is just a puppet and stooge who has lost his cultural identity and he's basically trying to justify the unknown, he claims his clan is iraraka, those are clans associated with iteso, he claims in kumam language a foreigner is called emoit which is basically ateso word, in luo a foreigner is jamwa how can claim to be affiliated to luo when he doesn't gasp basic Luo words and vocabulary? The guy is divergent and doesn't understand cultural convictions and tenets even his dualectal articulations justify he's basically affiliated to iteso than luo, it's like those contaminated iteso cultural traditional attributes in the book entitled "asonya k'oteso" where others came with a debilitating counterfeit "the luo during the aconya" i don't know what aconya means in Luo but in iteso it means ancient historical backgrounds before the advent of white occupation and thereafter written by okuda and D. Okalany , this book some historical attributes, witchcraft particularly the use a medium called ajokia which the luo call ajuoke, these were guardian spirits attributed to withchdoctors who prescribed the way of human life and stems from the word "schoko or ajoko" meaning to shepherd like man who keeps livestock leads them to grasslands and returns them to the homestead and during religious invasion these spirits became tormentors and are called ajokini or ajokia in plural and one spirit of that nature assumes the name ajokit and by extension it was thought to send people to commit suicide or any other bad things which translated to satan during religious era to date
Kumam, jopokumu Okumu was the brother of Owiny, kadhirondi, Adhola,Olumi, Rukidi who went to bunyooro etc.
So kumam is not even under Luo but they're real Luos because of their ancestor called Okumu.
Njugu(Swahili),Groundnut
English) is called 'Ongiro'
(Dholuo, Kenya, Siaya)
Really? I've never heard of this.