This channel needs thorough promotion. This is one of the few things I'm proud of as a Luo. 5k subscribers is not proportional to what's actually coming out of this channel.
Thank you for the elaborate history but just to mention about his outlook and what I hear from him, this dear senior brother is a pure Luo to me in all aspects. Infact he will pass very well for a Kenyan Luo. Thank you Sir.
We know to recognize that all these so called clans like irarak, goria, etc, sound very close to Luo. In Padhola we have jokarwok, jorarak, jogoria. Above all we need to appreciate that Iteso and luo are both nilotes. Both originally from Ethiopian area. Luo moved to Sudan earlier due to some conflicts and adventurous nature too, settling around Bar el Ghazel for years which most history consider as luo cardle land. Whether the Kumam were among the plain nilotes or river lake nilotes doesn't remove them from being similar. Movements during migration came along with lots of experiences and transformation of which each group was affected differently by time and space. Some lost partial identity, some maintained a lot of their identity with little borrowing and some few adjustments as development. These are inevitable. Even now, we still continue to undergo transformation and developments, adopting and modifying languages, dress code, housing, foods, etc. Change is a permanent factor of life. I still believe all the nilotes could have borrowed bits of things from each other long even before migrations began. I was surprised to learn that in kupsabiny exist some words like us, the jopadhola; such as chamu che (kupsabiny) eat food similar to chami chemo (dhopadhola) eat food. Kome chair (kupsabiny) komi chair (dhopadhola).
Lovely conversation this was KP.. Ancient history will always have various fragmented theories.. explanations and suggestions that do not completely agree.. and is quite common that they sharply differ/conflict.. The two dimensions/theories below disagree totally.. - "Okumu-mam" => "Kumam" - Jo "kumo" => "Kumam" The truth and exact facts are burried in the history of centuries gone.. Big thank you to the gentleman (Ejakait/Jadhuong Erayu) for the very broad summary on the Kumam identity. Erokamano.. Thank you.. Good health...
The Kumam were originally called Jop'Okumu. Historicallx, the Luo were the ones who introduced ground nuts and millet as they came in the area. The luos settled in the area before the Ateker. The variants of alaki,atirir are found on Acholiland as kilak, atira. Lwala is s Luo word as the Ateker call itt Angorom.. We Jopadhola maintain that the Kumam are Luo in origin and not Atekerin as they never lost their Luo language according to extensive research.
@@johnmark570 Hi JM Your point/observation.. "The Luos settled in the area before the Ateker.. introduced groundnuts and millet as they came in the area.." is a very strong .. I wish the gentleman (Ejakait Erayu) could respond it.. Apwoyo [ma] tek tek.. Thank you plenty.. Stay well and good health...
The Luo, the Lango and Kumam have interacted more than 500 years .This interaction has led to assimilation . These groups have intermarried therefore Kumam ancestry would not be 100% Ateker DNA but Luo-Kumam or Luo-Lango . The same way Luo assimilated Suba is same way Luo assimilate Lango and Kumam . Assimilation includes intermarriage .
The guest is confusing modern political expediency with historical facts . Historically the Kumam were assimilated into Luo as your previous guest confirmed . In modern times groups compete on resources and can use identity politics to achieve the same. Hence the need to identify as Ateker for more resources from national government as opposed to under Lango who also historically are assimilated . Assimilated groups have a fluid identity . Two guests you have brought from Kumam one has confirmed Kumam are Luo the other one initially said Kumam are Ateker and later after you provide historical facts agreed that Kumam are assimilated hence Luo-Kumam .
If the Kumam benefited resource-wise for identifying with Luo most would do the same. Conflicts in Uganda between Yoweri Museveni's NRA and the Luo including LRA necessitated the Kumam to downplay their Luo identity for survival . The same applied to when the Luo-Langi and Luo-Acholi were fighting Idi Amin . In 1979 Gen Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi),Gen Bazillio Olara Okello(Luo-Acholi) and Gen Oyite Ojok(Luo-Langi) led Uganda exiles in Tanzania and removed Idi Amin . Mwanza, Mara and Kisumu were used as launching pads for these soldiers and it was easy for the soldiers to live among the local groups including the Luo of Tanganyika . At least 300 Luo-Acholi soldiers died when their boat capsized in L Victoria. The Nubians in Kenya especially in Kisumu and Kendu have survived by identifying with Luo groups . In Kenya the Luo were politically active for centuries to this day and therefore in modern Kenya there were political expediency plans to separate Suba from Luo . This failed .
Daniel Moi like Yoweri Museveni started creating these types of divisions through creating districts in regions that opposed him including Nyanza . This failed because the Suba are assimilated into Luo . Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) started efforts to unite the Luo together with VP Oginga Odinga in East ,North East, Central Africa . Yoweri Museveni fought Milton Obote, Gen Tito Okello, Gen Bazillio Olara Okello and later JOSEPH KONY and Okot Odhiambo and others . Therefore it makes sense for Yoweri Museveni to go for political expediency to separate assimilated groups . The same issue is happening in Sudan where the Dinka and Nuer have made attempts in the past and present to seperate Luo groups . These include Luo-Shilluk, Luo-Balanda,Luo-JurChol etc since Luo unity in Sudan would pose a challenge to Dinka and Nuer hegemony .
@@papd3532 there's a group i came across online in S.Sudan, the Lotuko. I found them similar to Luo in a number of ways. They call God Ajok like most Luo groups, many more needs to be done
Mr. Ogot I am a Lango who grew up in Lira. We the Lango are ATEKER, bcoz our clan are also called ATEKER, the clans the Kumam elder is mentioning also exist in Lango. Only the the area we occupy today was inhabited with several Luo groups. It is believed the Lango people married Luo women and children succumbed to Luo dialect.
As always thank you KP. Excellent work. Clarity is needed for the Kumam people. From your current guest take, its clear kumam have suffered with identity issues. It seems hostilities from both iteso and lango groups. Kumam appear to have gravitated towards the luo due to the general peacefulness of the luo nature. There is no shame in this. Kumam people are welcome with open arms. My suba friends from Migori and Homabay County are definitely more luo than l am, and yet l am pure kisumo luo. It would be so offensive if I even suggested to them that they are anything but luos. Good job we are all African and black 😊❤❤❤❤❤. I am hopeful that you will put the Kumam questions to a more mature factual ending 😢. God bless.
I like your host today by the way. He doesn't give in to hearsay. I always doubted the origin of the name Kaberamaido even though it looks plausible. The migration period does not align with the introduction of groundnuts, which are not native to the area. It is simply a folk etymology, which is common around the world when discussing stories of origin.
Educative conversations, by the way. I feel like Kumam are Luo but are just in denial because of the reasons well-known to them. We are all Luos period. I can understand Kumam better than I can understand dholuo of Kenya.
Luo is a lingua franca to peoples around them even if they were not originally Luo as Okot p'Bitek wrote in one of his books. The Luo like assimilating others in order to expand Luoness. While other people associate with the Luo they begin speaking Luo and give their children Luo names. For example, the Lango speak Luo. A big chunk of the Iteso around Tororo started giving their children Luo names and also speak Dhopadhola a Luo language. In that way neighbours of the Luo have to make themselves understood by learning Luo.
Another story is that the luo had extraordinary skills and supernatural powers which were admired by others. They wanted to acquire these skills and powers so they had to learn luo languages.
From my understanding, it's very clear that Kumam have Ateker origins. This bit is definitely undoubted. The question is, if they currently practice the luo culture, speak luo language and some identify as luo, should they be considered as such?
A good example is the Abasuba (bantu tribe) of Kenya and Tanzania. They currently speak luo, practice luo, identify and introduce themselves as luos. And so they are considered luo here in Kenya. Their musicians sing in luo and my area MP is of suba origin but considered luo without a doubt. What do you think about that?
@@KPtravels001 I am Kenyan by the way, and so, well aware of that history. It's a perfect parallel. We also know that the Luo of Kenya are also called Luopeans for a reason. I get your reasoning perfectly, and agree. I think it all comes down to a need to find a place where people can settle and feel they belong.
@@emmanuelekakoro6065 and the biggest question is "what exactly defines 'luoness'? Blood(genes) or culture? Because if we go by DNA it might just turn out that 80% of Kenyan luo have bantu or cushitic blood 😂
They are like the Luo-abasuba people in Kenya, the Suba assimilated into luo land, culture and tribe and inter married with the luo but they aren't luo...
@@KPtravels001 They remain what ever the cultural tribal name is. E.g. Basuba or Lango or Kumam. Except if a LwoLuo man married a non Lwo/Luo woman then the children are Lwo. In the past even the children were sent away with the mothers who were non Lwo. The Lwo/Luo are not meant to be marrying non Luo/Lwo.
The fact that they maintained Ateker clans suggest the assimilation was not due to intermarriage but rather luo language was more influential. They probably encountered a powerful luo people or, they are luos who were absorbed into ateker clans through intermarriage.
Greetings KP Jaluo Abroad! Big up bro. Your work is invaluable. Kindly share this mzee's number. I am Kumam but never grew at home, so there are many gaps I need to fill.
The debate of whether the Kuman are Luo or Ateker should end at once. Ikomolo, Ikarwouk, Irarak, Igoria, Itekok, Inom. All those clans are main clans in Teso!
Jo Kumam are Luos assimilated from the Atekers and this is also exhibited in the naming systems. There are also some bantus that you have not explored especially the Luhyas of Busia like the Marachis who have got Luo names and even the naming system is similar and some of their cultural practices are similar to Luo. There are remnants of Luo Babito near Lake Albert where you will find names like Ouma Otieno Olweny
Akuruwok clan is also considered a lango clan, which I am a member of. The kide side he is referring to is familiar as well. The elders like to say rain is coming from ‘tung kide’
Tell this man that how those houses are built is traditionally Luo......confirm from Ugenya people who ar eclose to Padhola.Kumam is Okumu a luo married to an Iteso ...so Kumam is a luo generation living amongst their Iteso maternal uncles.This is why it is majorly a Luo dialect.
If their elders have told you they're Ateker, why are you putting up an argument? We cannot claim to know a people's history better than they do. What we do know is that they're now Luo by either assimilation/association.
,Its through constructive arguments that facts get established.padhola version is very vivid than the tribes explanation which borders fallacy.i stand to be corrected though!
@@alphancechege1418 I understand that we need to have the discussion, however it seems undisputed among all the kumam that their journey started with the other Ateker in Ethiopia. How come none of their stories connect with ours as the Luo? It's difficult to dispute their own history especially as apparently even the karimojong and trap all acknowledge that the kumam are at least Ateker by history.
From the conversation that elder lacked ancient migration history and couldn't even tell the meaning of certain things, more interviews are needed on the kumam migration and separations, the padhola version carries more light, U never know they don't want to Identify as luos
What happened to Kumam and the luos in Uganda is the same thing that happenned and still happening to Abasuba people(Western Bantus) with the luos in southern nyanza(Kenya). 80% of Abasuba people speaks luo and have luo names... most of them does not know or speak Abasuba..
That's true. The identity crisis is the air. Whether to accept the current luo culture as there own or whether to identify with the almost lost suba culture.
I doubt this old man. I think he is more emotional than logica about the Kumam. Names have meanings and definitely Kabermaido means exactly what it insunates. I am from Mbita - Eluzinga (Rusinga) and I can tell its meaning anytime
@@odochokee9856 laterite is " murram" ...red soil is red soil..may e we should say " red clay"...as in "dongo kundu" or udongo mwekundu in the Kenyan coast
Wamataifa kutoka maeneo mbalimbali ambao wako AMERIKA kwa muda mrefu wamepewa URAIA na hata KUMAM wamepewa uraia wa kijaluo na hata lafudhi zao ni wajaluo .
Kumam in Uganda are not looked at a Luo. The real Luo are : Alur, Acholi, Langi, Japadhola. The Kumam are more like the Teso with little Luo influence coming from neighboring the Langi. They even share names with Teso. Their names are about 5- 6 letters and start with letter E, have 2 or 3 consonants and 3 nowels. Eg Epitu, Emasu, Ekesu,Elamu...Please don't mislead by bundling them among the Luo.
My job is to dig out the information and the viewers or the Interviewees can make the conclusion. I don't think I said they are luo, they said it themselves.
Kalenjin and Maasai are not ateker ...Kalenjin are Highland Nilotes,Infact the closest to Kalenjin are Murle tribe . Maasai are not related to Kalenjin lingusistically ,forget the cattle aspect .
I wasn't speaking to the language. I speak English, that doesn't make me an English man. I was alluding to the ethnicity. I was born in Kenya and the Kumam, to me, are similar to Turkana, Samburu, Maasai than they are Luo by culture. Even the interviewee says they are distinct. They only speak the language. @@paulwabwiiyi9083
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This channel needs thorough promotion. This is one of the few things I'm proud of as a Luo. 5k subscribers is not proportional to what's actually coming out of this channel.
Yeah. Could be helpful if the 5k help me share it widely.
Hello sir,am kumam in Nairobi good work bigup
Did you grow up in a Kumam area? Do you speak fluent Kumam?
Hi,l was brought up in soroti, Entebbe n later Nairobi until now,can speak kumam
Thank you for the elaborate history but just to mention about his outlook and what I hear from him, this dear senior brother is a pure Luo to me in all aspects. Infact he will pass very well for a Kenyan Luo.
Thank you Sir.
Am so grateful mr.okot to host you in kaberamaido ❤Alem p/s we are really humbled more blessings from kumam CUNY PINY cultural Heritage
Mr. Erayu was my Hm kaberamaido T/S in 1990 to 1996 he is a true kumam. Cong mM
A very passionate Kumam 😊😊. I like him.
We know to recognize that all these so called clans like irarak, goria, etc, sound very close to Luo. In Padhola we have jokarwok, jorarak, jogoria.
Above all we need to appreciate that Iteso and luo are both nilotes. Both originally from Ethiopian area. Luo moved to Sudan earlier due to some conflicts and adventurous nature too, settling around Bar el Ghazel for years which most history consider as luo cardle land. Whether the Kumam were among the plain nilotes or river lake nilotes doesn't remove them from being similar.
Movements during migration came along with lots of experiences and transformation of which each group was affected differently by time and space.
Some lost partial identity, some maintained a lot of their identity with little borrowing and some few adjustments as development. These are inevitable. Even now, we still continue to undergo transformation and developments, adopting and modifying languages, dress code, housing, foods, etc. Change is a permanent factor of life.
I still believe all the nilotes could have borrowed bits of things from each other long even before migrations began.
I was surprised to learn that in kupsabiny exist some words like us, the jopadhola; such as chamu che (kupsabiny) eat food similar to chami chemo (dhopadhola) eat food.
Kome chair (kupsabiny) komi chair (dhopadhola).
Lovely conversation this was KP..
Ancient history will always have various fragmented theories.. explanations and suggestions that do not completely agree.. and is quite common that they sharply differ/conflict..
The two dimensions/theories below disagree totally..
- "Okumu-mam" => "Kumam"
- Jo "kumo" => "Kumam"
The truth and exact facts are burried in the history of centuries gone..
Big thank you to the gentleman (Ejakait/Jadhuong Erayu) for the very broad summary on the Kumam identity.
Erokamano.. Thank you..
Good health...
The Kumam were originally called Jop'Okumu.
Historicallx, the Luo were the ones who introduced ground nuts and millet as they came in the area.
The luos settled in the area before the Ateker.
The variants of alaki,atirir are found on Acholiland as kilak, atira.
Lwala is s Luo word as the Ateker call itt Angorom..
We Jopadhola maintain that the Kumam are Luo in origin and not Atekerin as they never lost their Luo language according to extensive research.
@@johnmark570
Hi JM
Your point/observation..
"The Luos settled in the area before the Ateker.. introduced groundnuts and millet as they came in the area.."
is a very strong ..
I wish the gentleman (Ejakait Erayu) could respond it..
Apwoyo [ma] tek tek.. Thank you plenty..
Stay well and good health...
@@johnmark570thanks bro this really makes sense to me as Luo
The Luo, the Lango and Kumam have interacted more than 500 years .This interaction has led to assimilation . These groups have intermarried therefore Kumam ancestry would not be 100% Ateker DNA but Luo-Kumam or Luo-Lango . The same way Luo assimilated Suba is same way Luo assimilate Lango and Kumam . Assimilation includes intermarriage .
The guest is confusing modern political expediency with historical facts . Historically the Kumam were assimilated into Luo as your previous guest confirmed .
In modern times groups compete on resources and can use identity politics to achieve the same.
Hence the need to identify as Ateker for more resources from national government as opposed to under Lango who also historically are assimilated .
Assimilated groups have a fluid identity .
Two guests you have brought from Kumam one has confirmed Kumam are Luo the other one initially said Kumam are Ateker and later after you provide historical facts agreed that Kumam are assimilated hence Luo-Kumam .
If the Kumam benefited resource-wise for identifying with Luo most would do the same. Conflicts in Uganda between Yoweri Museveni's NRA and the Luo including LRA necessitated the Kumam to downplay their Luo identity for survival .
The same applied to when the Luo-Langi and Luo-Acholi were fighting Idi Amin .
In 1979 Gen Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi),Gen Bazillio Olara Okello(Luo-Acholi) and Gen Oyite Ojok(Luo-Langi) led Uganda exiles in Tanzania and removed Idi Amin .
Mwanza, Mara and Kisumu were used as launching pads for these soldiers and it was easy for the soldiers to live among the local groups including the Luo of Tanganyika . At least 300 Luo-Acholi soldiers died when their boat capsized in L Victoria.
The Nubians in Kenya especially in Kisumu and Kendu have survived by identifying with Luo groups .
In Kenya the Luo were politically active for centuries to this day and therefore in modern Kenya there were political expediency plans to separate Suba from Luo . This failed .
Daniel Moi like Yoweri Museveni started creating these types of divisions through creating districts in regions that opposed him including Nyanza . This failed because the Suba are assimilated into Luo .
Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) started efforts to unite the Luo together with VP Oginga Odinga in East ,North East, Central Africa .
Yoweri Museveni fought Milton Obote, Gen Tito Okello, Gen Bazillio Olara Okello and later JOSEPH KONY and Okot Odhiambo and others . Therefore it makes sense for Yoweri Museveni to go for political expediency to separate assimilated groups .
The same issue is happening in Sudan where the Dinka and Nuer have made attempts in the past and present to seperate Luo groups . These include Luo-Shilluk, Luo-Balanda,Luo-JurChol etc since Luo unity in Sudan would pose a challenge to Dinka and Nuer hegemony .
@@papd3532❤
@@papd3532 there's a group i came across online in S.Sudan, the Lotuko. I found them similar to Luo in a number of ways. They call God Ajok like most Luo groups, many more needs to be done
Mr. Ogot I am a Lango who grew up in Lira. We the Lango are ATEKER, bcoz our clan are also called ATEKER, the clans the Kumam elder is mentioning also exist in Lango.
Only the the area we occupy today was inhabited with several Luo groups.
It is believed the Lango people married Luo women and children succumbed to Luo dialect.
I still appreciate your efforts, this was such a phenomenon conversation ❤
Glad you enjoyed it! Help me share widely. I need more luos on board.
As always thank you KP. Excellent work. Clarity is needed for the Kumam people. From your current guest take, its clear kumam have suffered with identity issues. It seems hostilities from both iteso and lango groups. Kumam appear to have gravitated towards the luo due to the general peacefulness of the luo nature.
There is no shame in this. Kumam people are welcome with open arms. My suba friends from Migori and Homabay County are definitely more luo than l am, and yet l am pure kisumo luo. It would be so offensive if I even suggested to them that they are anything but luos. Good job we are all African and black 😊❤❤❤❤❤.
I am hopeful that you will put the Kumam questions to a more mature factual ending 😢. God bless.
Thank you so much. Kindly help me share the project widely. I need more luos here.
Kuman (uganda)/Dholuo Kenya
Tabo = tao/tawo (plate)
Mielo bul = mielo bul (drum dance)
mielo kot = mielo koth (rain dance)
Wegi chiel = weg chiel (wegi=owners, chiel enclosure/fence/hedge)
Ot achiel = one home
wuon lobo = woun loo/lowo (owner of the land)
lwala = lwala (red clay soil)
I like your host today by the way. He doesn't give in to hearsay. I always doubted the origin of the name Kaberamaido even though it looks plausible. The migration period does not align with the introduction of groundnuts, which are not native to the area. It is simply a folk etymology, which is common around the world when discussing stories of origin.
Yeah, he had a different opinion. So it was good that I get both proposing and opposing voices on the topic.
Educative conversations, by the way. I feel like Kumam are Luo but are just in denial because of the reasons well-known to them. We are all Luos period. I can understand Kumam better than I can understand dholuo of Kenya.
Did you watch my last documentary on the Kumam? The "Kumam Identity Crisis "?
I love this argument, seating in Nairobi.
I have him in the documentary too. Such a bright proud man.
Luo is a lingua franca to peoples around them even if they were not originally Luo as Okot p'Bitek wrote in one of his books. The Luo like assimilating others in order to expand Luoness. While other people associate with the Luo they begin speaking Luo and give their children Luo names. For example, the Lango speak Luo. A big chunk of the Iteso around Tororo started giving their children Luo names and also speak Dhopadhola a Luo language. In that way neighbours of the Luo have to make themselves understood by learning Luo.
Another story is that the luo had extraordinary skills and supernatural powers which were admired by others. They wanted to acquire these skills and powers so they had to learn luo languages.
I love these videos ero kamano
Karwuok would mean PLACE OF ORIGIN in Kenyan DHOLUO
Lango is ateker
He speaks of 1990s wen he actually mean 1900s...administrative jurisdictions in the Colonial Era
Hehehe he's clearly talking about 1990
Weg chiel; tago; mielo koth so nice Kogot. Keep it up
Thank you so much. Help me share widely with your friends and family. I need more luos here.
All the clans mentioned are found in Teso. Why would a Luo group use a Teso clan system?
From my understanding, it's very clear that Kumam have Ateker origins. This bit is definitely undoubted. The question is, if they currently practice the luo culture, speak luo language and some identify as luo, should they be considered as such?
A good example is the Abasuba (bantu tribe) of Kenya and Tanzania. They currently speak luo, practice luo, identify and introduce themselves as luos. And so they are considered luo here in Kenya. Their musicians sing in luo and my area MP is of suba origin but considered luo without a doubt. What do you think about that?
@@KPtravels001 perfectly put. On this, I'd place the language as corrupted Luo. So, basically Luo.
@@KPtravels001 I am Kenyan by the way, and so, well aware of that history. It's a perfect parallel. We also know that the Luo of Kenya are also called Luopeans for a reason. I get your reasoning perfectly, and agree. I think it all comes down to a need to find a place where people can settle and feel they belong.
@@emmanuelekakoro6065 and the biggest question is "what exactly defines 'luoness'? Blood(genes) or culture? Because if we go by DNA it might just turn out that 80% of Kenyan luo have bantu or cushitic blood 😂
They are like the Luo-abasuba people in Kenya, the Suba assimilated into luo land, culture and tribe and inter married with the luo but they aren't luo...
Yeah, the big question is when both assimilation and intermarriages are involved, do they become joluo or jomwa?
@@KPtravels001 They remain what ever the cultural tribal name is. E.g. Basuba or Lango or Kumam. Except if a LwoLuo man married a non Lwo/Luo woman then the children are Lwo. In the past even the children were sent away with the mothers who were non Lwo. The Lwo/Luo are not meant to be marrying non Luo/Lwo.
I thought Kaberamaido meant a bag of gnuts 😂😂😂
Well, the padhola claim it means "this place is good for groundnuts"
@@KPtravels001 The Padhola named the place. Prof Ogot also mentions it in his text.
The fact that they maintained Ateker clans suggest the assimilation was not due to intermarriage but rather luo language was more influential. They probably encountered a powerful luo people or, they are luos who were absorbed into ateker clans through intermarriage.
It could be both. Succumbing to the luo influence plus spots of intermarriages.
Greetings KP Jaluo Abroad! Big up bro. Your work is invaluable. Kindly share this mzee's number. I am Kumam but never grew at home, so there are many gaps I need to fill.
The debate of whether the Kuman are Luo or Ateker should end at once. Ikomolo, Ikarwouk, Irarak, Igoria, Itekok, Inom. All those clans are main clans in Teso!
Hahahaha I will have to ask the Ateso what they think about Kumam? 😂😂
Ikomolo were a Luo group , 'people of Omolo'
You're right... kumam came from iteso
In ateker mane? What is the meaning of this question.... which tribe or which clan? What is it inquiring about... Thank You
Hahahaha identities are complex. In my next video I'll put this topic to bed. I'll draw a conclusion.
In atekere mene? In lango means which lango clan are you?
The Iteso also consider Asonya the main original leader of the tribe.
All those tribes he mentioned came from Teso, so kumam is Ateker
Well, let's look at what's now. Because Ateker doesn't work these days. Ero kameno 😂. I'm lango me Uganda
Hahahaha the KUMAM debate is interesting. Half of them feel luo and half of them feel Ateker. But they all agree that they speak Luo
I'm waiting for your conclusions after the whole work has been compiled together. Hope they will be fair
Jo Kumam are Luos assimilated from the Atekers and this is also exhibited in the naming systems. There are also some bantus that you have not explored especially the Luhyas of Busia like the Marachis who have got Luo names and even the naming system is similar and some of their cultural practices are similar to Luo. There are remnants of Luo Babito near Lake Albert where you will find names like Ouma Otieno Olweny
Akuruwok clan is also considered a lango clan, which I am a member of. The kide side he is referring to is familiar as well. The elders like to say rain is coming from ‘tung kide’
From the little i have heard from this interview, kunam language is luo language
Niko kenya
Nationality is Luo ,Country is Kenya .Kenya is not a nationality.
Tell this man that how those houses are built is traditionally Luo......confirm from Ugenya people who ar eclose to Padhola.Kumam is Okumu a luo married to an Iteso ...so Kumam is a luo generation living amongst their Iteso maternal uncles.This is why it is majorly a Luo dialect.
If their elders have told you they're Ateker, why are you putting up an argument? We cannot claim to know a people's history better than they do. What we do know is that they're now Luo by either assimilation/association.
,Its through constructive arguments that facts get established.padhola version is very vivid than the tribes explanation which borders fallacy.i stand to be corrected though!
@@alphancechege1418 I understand that we need to have the discussion, however it seems undisputed among all the kumam that their journey started with the other Ateker in Ethiopia. How come none of their stories connect with ours as the Luo? It's difficult to dispute their own history especially as apparently even the karimojong and trap all acknowledge that the kumam are at least Ateker by history.
From the conversation that elder lacked ancient migration history and couldn't even tell the meaning of certain things, more interviews are needed on the kumam migration and separations, the padhola version carries more light, U never know they don't want to Identify as luos
All those clans he mentioned came from iteso .... because the same clans are also in iteso
You need to interview the labwor and Nyakwai as well in western karamoja / extreme Eastern Acholi
Do these language have any common sililarities?
@@DavidAdhoch yes
@@DavidAdhoch the Labwor or joabwor were one of if the last groups that migrated from bahrel Ghazel.
iih,karamojong brothers are many,,,,,langi,,,,,,kuman 😮😮😢😢😅
What happened to Kumam and the luos in Uganda is the same thing that happenned and still happening to Abasuba people(Western Bantus) with the luos in southern nyanza(Kenya). 80% of Abasuba people speaks luo and have luo names... most of them does not know or speak Abasuba..
That's true. The identity crisis is the air. Whether to accept the current luo culture as there own or whether to identify with the almost lost suba culture.
I had a friend in school who was a suba, she spoke the dhik which sounded kind of bantu, kiluya kikisii and nothing close to the dholuo i know
He's more Luo than I am...but he's Aterker and am Luo...how confusing 😊
I do not trust him. But he is accurate. This guy must be from Dokolo.
Why don't you trust him?
His is from Lwala in Kalaki district
I doubt this old man. I think he is more emotional than logica about the Kumam. Names have meanings and definitely Kabermaido means exactly what it insunates. I am from Mbita - Eluzinga (Rusinga) and I can tell its meaning anytime
Yeah, the names in Luo people play a big role and with meaning.
His name is Erayu is that a luo name with luo meaning?
Brother amosi
In Kenya lwala is type of soil. A place with that type of soil is called 'Lwala'
Lwala is red earth known as laterite in english
@@odochokee9856 laterite is " murram" ...red soil is red soil..may e we should say " red clay"...as in "dongo kundu" or udongo mwekundu in the Kenyan coast
The way as in luo Acholi Uganda
@@meshackamimo1945 laterite is actually called guu. Kidi guu is the laterite stone
i support you--dont know kenyan luo word for murram@@odochokee9856
Kuman just has nowhere to depending , is only lango, acholi, alur
Lango are not Luo they are Ateker. The Luo in uganda are Alur/Jonam, Acoli and Padola.
Kumam is ateker
Wamataifa kutoka maeneo mbalimbali ambao wako AMERIKA kwa muda mrefu wamepewa URAIA na hata KUMAM wamepewa uraia wa kijaluo na hata lafudhi zao ni wajaluo .
There are people on both sides of the divide. Some agree while some oppose.
If he agree with intermarriage who was the man and who was woman?
Well, some of the questions might never get answers.
Hello, kumam,lango, and suba are not originally Luos, they resemble Luos simply because they married Luo ladies and ended up speaking the Luo language
Kumam in Uganda are not looked at a Luo. The real Luo are : Alur, Acholi, Langi, Japadhola. The Kumam are more like the Teso with little Luo influence coming from neighboring the Langi. They even share names with Teso. Their names are about 5- 6 letters and start with letter E, have 2 or 3 consonants and 3 nowels. Eg Epitu, Emasu, Ekesu,Elamu...Please don't mislead by bundling them among the Luo.
Langi are not Luo/Lwo they are Ateker just like the Kumam.
My job is to dig out the information and the viewers or the Interviewees can make the conclusion. I don't think I said they are luo, they said it themselves.
Some agree they are, while some disagree. I'm neutral.
Hey?Why haven't you interviewed those luos from Chad and CAR.. Central African Republic... Erokamano kuom tiji maber
I agree that the Kumam are not Luo. Ethnically, they seem more related to kalenjin and maasai than Luo.
Kalenjin and Maasai are not ateker ...Kalenjin are Highland Nilotes,Infact the closest to Kalenjin are Murle tribe .
Maasai are not related to Kalenjin lingusistically ,forget the cattle aspect .
You are wrong bro. Yes in Uganda we don't consider them real Luo but the language has not relationship with Masai and Sabiny.
I wasn't speaking to the language. I speak English, that doesn't make me an English man. I was alluding to the ethnicity. I was born in Kenya and the Kumam, to me, are similar to Turkana, Samburu, Maasai than they are Luo by culture. Even the interviewee says they are distinct. They only speak the language. @@paulwabwiiyi9083
But this guy has a Lango accent lol..
Seemingly Kumam and Lango accent are close.
@KPtravels001 Actually I am lango but sometimes I need to be very keen to separate between lango and kumam music 🎶 🎶 😅😅