It's jokic. SGA is having an amazing season and would be a 2x mvp this year if jokic didn't exist, but jokic is having one of the best regular seasons ever and I'm finding it very hard to even find a reason not to give it to him
lol 😂 to say sga is not close who’s actually leading mvp race considering the circumstances of Chet injury and harteinstein missing half the games and sga still on pace for a 70 win season when playing this year is insane. Sga leads in defensive rating, points, steals, blocks, win shares, free throw percentage and midrange as well. Jokic leads in assists and rebounds and PER and offensive rating and 3 point percentage. Sga should win mvp this season
@@sethc2241 JDub's level of play is in the same tier as Murray, borderline all star who probably should make the all star game due to his contributions to winning. But if winning counts toward that kind of consideration, then it's tough to argue against Shai for MVP.
@@sethc2241I agree with the point but Westbrook’s nba season was crazy and he definitely was legitimately the most valuable player to his team in the league, they weren’t going anywhere without him so he was definitely winning games
We had the IBM Award that used a formula to determine who's the best player. David Robinson won like every year in the 90s. It was discontinued like 20 years ago tho.
For Giannis to win MVP his team would need to go on a crazy win streak and finish 2nd in the east and even this prolly won't be enough. Jokic has a better chance to win it imo. If he finishes the season being Top 3 in ppg, apg and rpg, as well as Denver being the 2nd seed it would already be REALLY close between him and Shai, probably more or less 50/50 (slight edge to Shai though). If he averages a triple double on top of that, Jokic is winning it. This are the standards that are being set for an already 3 time MVP winner, its natural, not necessarily fair though.
Surprised that Wemby or ant wasn’t on this list but keep up the great work on both channels also can you do a list on two way players please think it would be cool Also jokic should win mvp
With AG back in and running the bench I think the depth could be there. Murray is getting more rest with Westbrook running point and Strawther has been playing better and better. If nuggets play defense well I think they have a shot
I think its time for Wemby to be on this list, Mitchell and Garland should be together on this list tbh lol (Mitchell / Garland #8) Also, Id put Cade on here, maybe as #11, but his skill, IQ, all that, needs to be recognized similar to Brunson, its just Cade Cunningham is stuck on DET, but maybe they find him some better help after the trade deadline, also similar to LaMelo
I think people don't like how professional Tatum is, he just seems like he has no personality (he is a perfect player from a GM perspective) you can be 100% sure that he won't say anything controversial, but that's also the problem
Yea people love players with personality like shai and ant while tatum just gets clowned cus he tried to copy iconic moments from other players and doesnt really say much. His personality is media training 😂
he can get a little spicy during post game interviews. I remember the first game of the season he was mad at the bench for not breaking the all time threes record.
SGA will win it 100% Giannis and Jokic ( voter fatigue) Narrative, story and number one spot all speak for SGA (And I know stats are important but all of these 3 put up amazing numbers)
Great video, although I can agree with all the arguments in favour of SGA winning, and wouldn't be salty about it, obviously he's the second guy deserving it, the Joker deserves the mvp 100%, and him not getting it I could only attribute to voter fatigue (including NA refusing to vote for a European)
w Luka out i think wemby is atleast 2nd team all nba sga jokic giannis r locks for first team all nba and tatum prob also will be first and I think wemby can get that 5th spot. 26/10 w 4 blocks a game on like 60% ts idk who else is even in 1st/2nd team all nba convos prob like KAT will b 2nd team, AD, Dmitch. But I don't see any of those guys being above wemby in all-nba terms. I think 3rd team is tooo low for wemby the way he is playin
I thought Cade was #9 in MVP tracking? 24.5 6.5 9.5, Pistons 22-21 on 1/20/25 vs 4-38 on 1/20/24. Def not making it anywhere near the top but still (turnovers+record+the pistons)
Forgot to mention Jokic is having the best season efficiency wise ever even if you include his previous 3 mvp seasons yet you want to give this to Shai reason provided team is doing better. Put Shai in Denver and Jokic in OKC what do you logically think will happen this will answer your question on who should be MVP. Jokic is on another stratosphere if Shai wins it would be a second DEI MVP with Embiid being the first recipient.
Top 3 in every category. I don't think it's ever been done before. True, amazing, and yet you rank another player above him ? Now that's lunacy dude. You don't think the Nuggets are that good. You don't know basketball. Being a stat nerd, that makes you a, aah, aah, not worth listening to. Do this again in 2 months.
To me, mvp is sometimes the best all around offensive threat in the league, and sometimes it is the player who elevated his team to insane heights off of his own back. Shai is the best offensive player in the league but he has an insane team. Jokic is also arguably the best offensuve player, but his team is booty compared to okc. And yet jokic carries. Idk it reminds me of giannis and Bron
Knicks have the second hardest season left this year, will be a big proving ground. They've been working on the stupid fouls with KAT a lot, he hasn't done nearly as many as I used to see on wolves. Also I believe Shai didn't play the other night against the Mavs. I think he's taking it though.
Great video as ever mate, I’d love to see a video like on this season’s Rookie Of The Year.
That will definitely happen in a few months.
@@whatshortscould do one soon and another after the playoffs? Whatever subject you decide I'll watch anyway lol
@ no please not NOO!
I love this guy. Straight to the point and presents like a regular dude that knows his basketball.
Thanks, brother! Glad you're enjoying the content!
It's jokic. SGA is having an amazing season and would be a 2x mvp this year if jokic didn't exist, but jokic is having one of the best regular seasons ever and I'm finding it very hard to even find a reason not to give it to him
I hope yolk gets it
Being the 1 seed deserves special consideration. It means you couldn’t have possibly been more valuable
I agree. That's why I think Shai gets it.
Has to be Jokic. The numbers are all time worthy and without him the Nuggets cannot even lace their shoes.
I agree, but I think voters go Shai
@@whatshorts I think not, the odds are in favor of Jokic.
Shai is the deserving mvp if okc wins 65+ games without Chet most of the season
For resurrecting Russ Jokic deserves it
it's going to be a factor.
Ows if the number ONE team deserveS the MVP? GIVE THE MVP TO CLEVELAND PLAYER... BECAUSE CAVS IS THE NUMBER ONE OVER ALL...
jokic and its not close
I agree, but voters are weak minded.
lol 😂 to say sga is not close who’s actually leading mvp race considering the circumstances of Chet injury and harteinstein missing half the games and sga still on pace for a 70 win season when playing this year is insane. Sga leads in defensive rating, points, steals, blocks, win shares, free throw percentage and midrange as well. Jokic leads in assists and rebounds and PER and offensive rating and 3 point percentage.
Sga should win mvp this season
@@dewman7477 cool story, still jokic.
@ jdub is playing on all star levels, give him his credit. Hartenstein only missed 4 weeks, 3 of which were covered by chet.
@@sethc2241
JDub's level of play is in the same tier as Murray, borderline all star who probably should make the all star game due to his contributions to winning. But if winning counts toward that kind of consideration, then it's tough to argue against Shai for MVP.
making the MVP the result of a math equation would be bad for the game. It'd incentivize players to be stat merchants over playing winning basketball.
If winning (record) was weighed heavier into the equation, that could help that issue
so...russel westbrook
yeah, it'd be dumb.
@@sethc2241I agree with the point but Westbrook’s nba season was crazy and he definitely was legitimately the most valuable player to his team in the league, they weren’t going anywhere without him so he was definitely winning games
You sound suspicious of NBA players not being team first guys.
We had the IBM Award that used a formula to determine who's the best player. David Robinson won like every year in the 90s. It was discontinued like 20 years ago tho.
That rules. what was the formula?
@whatshorts there's a Wikipedia article about the award with the formula but it's insanely long. Kinda like PER
@@whatshortsLike the dude above me said it was some convoluted shit
Upload schedule always on point
can't miss a day or you're dead.
Died laughing when you said the nuggets should flip Julian Strawther, best take in the whole video
somebody would like a guy like that right?
+130 means that if you place 100, you get your 100 and 130 more. Basically 2.3 coefficient
Thanks for the video
oh dang, you're right. good call I've been saying it wrong for a long time.
Where is Brice Sensabaugh?
he was 11
Jokic is also top 5 in steals and is shooting nearly 50% from 3.
88% of his 3s are assisted.
dang. didn't know about the steals thing. that rocks
For Tatum it’s literally because he’s cringe and is notoriously bad in National TV games 😂
Fax
it's Jheri curl for me.
I think if the thunder win 66+ games shai should win mvp unless if the nuggets get like 2nd in the west
I'd second that.
I am a Tatum Fan. The man plays well he doesnt do anything extra, plays defense and is good for the game. No hate for the man.
yeah, I like him. that's as far as I'll go though. I want to like him more.
Jayson Tatum was 2nd in jersey sales last year. He has a lot of fans.
oh dang. That's crazy. my b
Great content as always man
glad you liked it, man!
I think a cool video idea is players with 500-1 odds that have best chance to win MVP. Players like Cade Cunningham and Trae Young idk
that'd be good. I should have done that with this one.
For Giannis to win MVP his team would need to go on a crazy win streak and finish 2nd in the east and even this prolly won't be enough.
Jokic has a better chance to win it imo. If he finishes the season being Top 3 in ppg, apg and rpg, as well as Denver being the 2nd seed it would already be REALLY close between him and Shai, probably more or less 50/50 (slight edge to Shai though). If he averages a triple double on top of that, Jokic is winning it. This are the standards that are being set for an already 3 time MVP winner, its natural, not necessarily fair though.
I think Giannis the only third option for MVP, but you're right he'd have to really make a statement down the stretch.
Surprised that Wemby or ant wasn’t on this list but keep up the great work on both channels also can you do a list on two way players please think it would be cool
Also jokic should win mvp
I'll do that one in a few weeks. I've got a few line up for the next couple. Glad you're enjoying the channels, man!
If Shai doesn’t miss any games and wins mvp, he’ll be the first to do that since Kobe’s mvp season. As a Canadian I wanna see that feat done so badly!
Shai already missed one game against luka less mavs where okc offence was trash without him that game
He missed the Mavs game after I recorded :(
as the 5th Jayson Tatum fan, he's about to pass Michael Jordan on points scored before age 27. He's already passed Giannis. idk, interesting note
yeah, he's good. I'm not hatin.
If Jayson Tatum has no fans left then I am dead 😤
Rest in pepperonis man we'll remember you
I said he has 4 fans. I see you livin.
The nba hates Giannis
not me. I like him.
Shai did miss vs mavs, also, they play nuggets is march b2b, if he takes the L and jokic si 2nd seat, its gg, even if okc ll be 3-4 games above denver
I record on Thurs, so pre Mavs game. I think you're right the match up will be telling
Me.. and a couple guys from Cameroon 😂😂
we have a text thread.
Jokic
My pick for sure
With AG back in and running the bench I think the depth could be there. Murray is getting more rest with Westbrook running point and Strawther has been playing better and better. If nuggets play defense well I think they have a shot
I concur
Very funny to put the divo shot in the Brunson slide
google image find. had to do it.
13:22 don't disrespect Siakam like that 😭😭
I would never. I'm his biggest rider.
I think its time for Wemby to be on this list,
Mitchell and Garland should be together on this list tbh lol (Mitchell / Garland #8)
Also, Id put Cade on here, maybe as #11, but
his skill, IQ, all that, needs to be recognized similar to Brunson, its just Cade Cunningham is stuck on DET, but maybe they find him some better help after the trade deadline, also similar to LaMelo
Wemby was 12. it was close.
I think people don't like how professional Tatum is, he just seems like he has no personality (he is a perfect player from a GM perspective) you can be 100% sure that he won't say anything controversial, but that's also the problem
Yea people love players with personality like shai and ant while tatum just gets clowned cus he tried to copy iconic moments from other players and doesnt really say much. His personality is media training 😂
he can get a little spicy during post game interviews. I remember the first game of the season he was mad at the bench for not breaking the all time threes record.
I like Tatum lol, maybe not at first, and Im not a Boston fan, but he is on my fantasy team this year, so he's grown on me fs
fantasy will definitely bond you to players.
I like your cat
she's a sweetie.
This wouldn’t be a whatslaps list without Sabonis
he's my hero 🫶
asking nba fans to agree on a singular math numbers based formula for MVP is probably harder then turning a clan rally into a blm rally
you'd be surprised mob mentality is fickle.
SGA will win it 100%
Giannis and Jokic ( voter fatigue)
Narrative, story and number one spot all speak for SGA
(And I know stats are important but all of these 3 put up amazing numbers)
yeah, I still believe in yolk itch though.
It’s not “voter fatigue” for Giannis just straight hate him and Jokic are not in the same category when it comes to that
Who should be ranked higher, Alperen or Jalen Brunson?
Brunson for sure
@coolguymcfunnyman5897 who should be ranked higher, Nikola Jokic or SGA?
@ I’ve literally been grappling with that for a hot minute now, sga is so good and the team success is there but damn jokic is killing the game
@@coolguymcfunnyman5897 both are super elite so there probably isn't a wrong answer.
I mean you already know what I say.
Great video, although I can agree with all the arguments in favour of SGA winning, and wouldn't be salty about it, obviously he's the second guy deserving it, the Joker deserves the mvp 100%, and him not getting it I could only attribute to voter fatigue (including NA refusing to vote for a European)
I know. I think Jokic deserves it without question, but voters love to give it to different players. it's just how they are.
5 of the last 6 MVPs gave gone to a “European” lol good try though
what place would you put wemby
maybe 12?
Tatums just a quite guy who seems to talk crazy shit to his friends but keeps a shell otherwise around him
yeah, that sounds right. he needs the gas from the homies.
OMFG DOUBLE COMMENT BUT THE DG LOVE IS AMAZING
Most slept on player this season.
Do you think wemby will be all nba first team this year also do you think he will be in MVP convos next year
I think he'll be third team all nba, but dpoy
w Luka out i think wemby is atleast 2nd team all nba
sga jokic giannis r locks for first team all nba and tatum prob also will be first and I think wemby can get that 5th spot. 26/10 w 4 blocks a game on like 60% ts
idk who else is even in 1st/2nd team all nba convos prob like KAT will b 2nd team, AD, Dmitch. But I don't see any of those guys being above wemby in all-nba terms.
I think 3rd team is tooo low for wemby the way he is playin
jokic at #1 on bball ref means nothing, he was the whole of 22/23 i stalk the page and he didnt win it that year
didn't embiid usurp him by the end?
I thought Cade was #9 in MVP tracking? 24.5 6.5 9.5, Pistons 22-21 on 1/20/25 vs 4-38 on 1/20/24. Def not making it anywhere near the top but still (turnovers+record+the pistons)
I was out of town this weekend so the tracker was from THursday, so things might have shuffled around a bit.
Forgot to mention Jokic is having the best season efficiency wise ever even if you include his previous 3 mvp seasons yet you want to give this to Shai reason provided team is doing better. Put Shai in Denver and Jokic in OKC what do you logically think will happen this will answer your question on who should be MVP. Jokic is on another stratosphere if Shai wins it would be a second DEI MVP with Embiid being the first recipient.
woah, I'm shook. thanks for the engagement though, brother. 🕊️
Luka boutta come back, win MVP, then win the championship, trust ;)
I think he's missed too many games to qualify for post season awards right?
Goat
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Top 3 in every category. I don't think it's ever been done before. True, amazing, and yet you rank another player above him ? Now that's lunacy dude. You don't think the Nuggets are that good. You don't know basketball. Being a stat nerd, that makes you a, aah, aah, not worth listening to. Do this again in 2 months.
Not in blocks though
Sga is MVP looking beyond offence triple doubles and just advanced offensive stats
4th in steals too
Big Pascal Siakam fan here bro is a dog
I agree. pure bred dog.
great cat content :)
she's the best
Tj mac sumrhing
exactly?
@@whatshorts tj mcallum or connel not sure
To me, mvp is sometimes the best all around offensive threat in the league, and sometimes it is the player who elevated his team to insane heights off of his own back. Shai is the best offensive player in the league but he has an insane team. Jokic is also arguably the best offensuve player, but his team is booty compared to okc. And yet jokic carries. Idk it reminds me of giannis and Bron
yeah, I think it's just a gut thing at the end of the season. voters vote how they feel about the seasonal vibe.
Knicks have the second hardest season left this year, will be a big proving ground. They've been working on the stupid fouls with KAT a lot, he hasn't done nearly as many as I used to see on wolves.
Also I believe Shai didn't play the other night against the Mavs. I think he's taking it though.
I think I recorded before the mavs game. I recorded post cavs game thursday
I hope Jokic won't win the Season MVP coz remember the time he didn't win the third straight, he goes for the FMVP.
that's a good point. I'd settle for FMVP
doug christie is better than mike brown because he's nicer. doug christie gives hugs and quotes bob marley and doesn't make them practice as much
Yeah, seems like the team vibes with Christie. At one point in time they liked Brown, but things go sideways.