I love paint comparisons like these. Thank you! I bought Sennelier’s Helios Purple on the recommendation of Kim Crick in her Ultimate mixing palette on her website. Beautiful color! I also had a tiny tube of Winsor & Newton’s Quin Magenta which is also lovely. As time goes on I am honing in on favorites in the different brands and actually settling in on my own preferences. Surprisingly I’ve gone from only brights and transparents to really enjoying earthy opaques and pastels. And that has also coincided with an interest in gouache. All seem to have their place! Recently I’ve fallen in love with White Nights and even bought some tubes to use in an open desk palette in the studio. So many paints, so little time...😂
you're very welcome :) i'm also currently on a journey of honing in on favourites in diff brands. trying to narrow down my palette to a good 24 colours. enjoy your white nights, i quite llike them myself 😆
Kim Crick addict here. I have all of her favorite single pigments. Whenever I watch a video-I end up adding the color she spotlighted. I may have problem.😁
May I ask, how did you find her recommended palette of single pigments? Did you find that all the paints made for a useful, encompassing palette? If you have the time to answer what would be your review of the favorite pigments she recommends? I have all her recommendations on my wish list with my finger on the check out button but I would love to hear if someone else has used her favorite pigments as a complete palette. Thank you for your time. @@NanaBeth1
thank you! yep, i hope someone watches this and knows that they can buy VG to see if they like the hue of PR122 because it's so hard to find an affordable one. white nights sure, but not everyone has white nights available to them.
Great comparison! I use white nights, good price for me an now I know I don’t have to look for anything else until it runs out. Love painting flowers so I use a lot of pink 🌺
Sennelier reds and yellows are so pretty. I am picky about my magenta, I had white nights pr122 on my palette for a long time, I tried other brands but for me it comes down to the flow of the paint, I like how White Nights paints and dries. I would love to try the Sennelier, I tend to like honey paints.
More info on Van Gogh from my dot card - 357 "Rose" does have an appearance similar to adding white they call it's semi-transparent but I would call it semi-opaque. It's a bit cool, the pigment is PR122 (not lightfast) it's pretty but it's definitely not a substitute for PV19 for mixing. 567 "Permanent Red Violet" is a bold, transparent PV19 366 "Quinacridone Rose" is also a transparent PV19 with a value more on par with "Rose" but without that white look and warmer, it's quite lovely but doesn't have the value range of "Permanent Red Violet". Thank you so much for these videos, they're a huge help!
The Van Gogh swatch was fascinating: I like Van Gogh for student grade a lot but the opacity was a shocker. I'd have sworn there was white in there. If you like transparency it won't do, but for those who love doing floral painting, it might be a winner and it could work well in flesh mixtures. And showing PR19 from Van Gogh, means someone can choose what is transparent to fill the Quin Rose spot. And I often use that Rembrandt Red Violet instead of Alizarin in palettes. Very good video.
I recently exchanged the Quin rose with permanent red violet in my van Gogh palette, I like that it is much more transparent and you can achieve really dark colors when mixed with PG7 😊
Very interesting and helpful comparisons - thank you! My PR 122 choices have been Roman Szmal's quin pink and Qor's quin magenta, depending on whether I'm working with pans or tubes and whether I want to be 95% the boss or maybe 50% the audience for what happens next.
thank you for the comparison, Vee! This type of color is a must in my palette as a primary, i use it a lot both on its own and in mixes, especially with pthalo green. I started with Van Gogh permanent red violet too ^_^ Like you I used it all up and then got into artists grade paints anyway. Now I use PR122 and much prefer its clarity and vibrancy. I use Mijello, Winsor and Newton or White Nights, whatever I have handy works well for me. A little goes a long way so it takes a long time to be used up ^_^
you're very welcome :D and yeahh i think we very much like the same type of colours :) i still have some VG permanent red violet in the tube and i'm gonna use it up by squeezing it into a pan, like maybe 1/4 of the pan and fill the rest up with PR122 😂
I can perfectly see the whitish tint to the VG Rose on screen. And it is quite opaque indeed. I have this colour too (it comes with my VG Vibrant Colours set). People who talked to Royal Talens say that RT claim that the white tint/higher opacity in VG rose is due to fillers and extenders, not PW6. But then, their Rembrandt line also comes with the colour Rose and it’s based on PR122 and PW6. Hmmmmm 🤔
I observed the same about Rembrandt's Rose version, which I bet it's pretty much the same as VG's. VG Rose was one of the most frustrating paints (pure and in mixtures) I first bought, alongside Cerulean, Cobalt blue and Azo Yellow Light, for they have the same issues - opaque fillers or simply white pigment). Fortunately, I also had Permanent Red Violet and Quin. Rose, both pretty nice paints which I used a lot.
@@lindsaykorth2713 It’s just strange that they admit to using PW6 in Rembrandt Rose but not in VG Rose. They keep saying it’s the opaque filler that makes the VG Rose appear pastel. Which opaque filler is that I wonder and why not to simply add PW6 and/or admit to it if they want an opaque rose this bad? =) With cerulean they just tried to imitate Cerulean Rembrandt based on PB35. Semi-opaque granulating paint. Of course a mix of phtalo blue and titanium white won’t give the same effects that the PB35 based cerulean give, but shade wise they came pretty close. It’s still better to just use pure phtalo blue and add white if the need comes.
Im quite picky with my red, i haven’t try it but base on your swatch i like the sennelier and holbein the best, quin magenta on its own not my favorite red that goes to quin rose since it kinda primary ish and have such lovely pink, i remember getting the old rembrandt quin rose and went on normally until someone gifted me the mission gold pure pigment set and their quin rose its just so beautiful not too warm like a quin red or scarlet but not too cool like quin magenta, just the perfect pink for me.
yeaaahh, i know what you mean. Rembrandt's quin rose is a lot like daniel smith's quin rose, they lean more blue. you seem to like the more red version of PV19, not red red PV19 but sort of like red-red, red-rose, rose, blue-rose... for what you said i think u prefer the red-rose of PV19. omg, sorry for rambling haha~
interesting... if i ever have a chance i shall get one. but as of right now, openstock rosa gallery paints are expensive for me and not accessible. cheap or not really depends on where one lives. thanks for the input though!
I like the Sennelier and the Rembrandt from your swatches. I do like the more opaque Van Gogh Rose, but I tend to enjoy the more opaque watercolors, so there's that.
I use Holbein but have the WN. PR122 is an excellent mixer. When matched with DV PR188 you can make a full range of reds I prefer Holbein due to its vibrancy.
By watching your videos, I'm really wanting to study more about pigments. I want to get new watercolors, but I think the smartest thing to do is instead of not so much going after company names, I'm going to go after the pigments I like, and even if I have to end up investing in single tubes (with invisible finances 🙄)- I'm sure I'll be happier that I picked and chose the colors I want. I'm not so much into primary colors although it seems you can get a bunch of different colors from just a few tubes, but that's not me. I need to have a lot of different colors and create my own unique mixes, but I'm so glad I subscribed to you and plan on binging your other videos! 😄🤗👩🎨🎨🖌️💖
i think that's definitely a good way to go about it. considering you already have so much experience with colour mixing and all that, it should be so easy for you to create something with the colours you love. i'm sure by now you know about granulation. it's definitely one of those things i fell in love with but depending on the subject you paint, granulation might not be the right answer. so it all boils down to preference in the end. this PR122 vid is just so sad, i bought way too many PR122 thinking there might be differences but honestly, they're pretty much the same. the subtle differences don't matter at all when i'm mixing it with, say, green or blue.
One of my favorite colors, and the only "red" on my palette. I prefer QoR for this color. 100% agree with the Van Gogh red Violet being a nearly perfect dupe, even in mixing. I dislike their rose even though it is PR 122.
YES!! i'm so glad you agree that VG red violet is a good dupe! some people dont tend to believe me when i tell them so hopefully your testament will help 🥰 thank you for watching and commenting Rebecca~ 💖
I bought my Holbein PR122 watercolor years ago and back then it was still called Rose Violet. I still have it. The Holbein Gouache PR122 I just bought last week still call it Rose Violet. Same with their oil. Weird that they changed the name only in their watercolor range. PS, as far was the artist grade, I only see that the ones you think look duller or more opaque are higher pigment loads. Either you laid them on thicker or its higher pigment content in the tube. All student grade paint use fillers with the pigment. The Van Gogh Red Violet, I hate. it lacks the cool pink that I love. It's just another Quin violet PV19 . Usually called Quinacridone Violet in most brands. I use Schmincke PR122 most.
oh wow, thanks for sharing that info Renee! i didn't know it was called rose violet. i wonder if the change is for targeting/expanding sales in the western world.
Are you talking about their opacity? I feel like the color choice in their standard 12+3 set is a bit unfortunate. They recently added a really nice transparent yellow PY128 to their range, but still they have the very opaque PY184 as lemon yellow and their Azo yellows have now white in their formulation. Their permanent red light is also quite opaque, while they have a beautiful transparent "tomato" red (PR149) that could be includes instead. The cerulean blue is also a mix with white and PB15 pigment. They just could have added phthalo blue PB15 to have a "cyan" and since there is already white in the palette you could mix the color easily yourself. 😅
I’ve had a similar experience with aquafine n°537 (perm. Rose, PV19) from Daler-rowney. It was opaque and pastely, like your van gogh rose. Probably because of an opaque filler too... I was very disapointed with this color 😒
I had the same experience with Van Gogh's Rose color. I do use it sometimes, but it resembles gouache more than true watercolor. Not a good option if you want a true magenta.
i got a tube of white nights pr122 and it's got a weird texture, i don't know if I got a bad batch or if that's just the brand have you noticed something like that? on paper is almost like granulation but not really, and in the pallette it's almost like when acrylic starts to dry and you get like flakes (very very tiny though) instead of it dissolving
Yes! I have that with my pan from them! The texture is so weird and it looks like I have little flakes of color in my mixes for some reason. It's kinda gummy too. I switched over to Rosa Gallery pr122 instead. Much more pigmented, vibrant, and it's the same price.
my white nights PR122 is absolutely fine as you can see in the vid. i think you got a bad batch because i've heard of this happening with white nights before.
@@PaintinHiding ive emailed them with pictures of the paint in HP, CP and rough paper and they basically said "your paper is too smooth but tell us the tube batch and date" i replied with the info and... that's it, they never responded back 😶
d'awww maybe you were dabbling and that's fine. i have a lot because it's one of my fave colours and i wasn't sure if there were differences in hues like PV19. so now i have so many tubes of this haha. quite glad it turned out that there's minimal difference and it's pretty consistent between brands. i'm definitely not going to be buying anymore PR122 any time soon. lol
VG usually is a let down for me... Colors get dull after drying and mixing gets muddy... If I hadn't had other palettes from other brands I would have gave up on watercolor..
I like your comparison videos. One that I would have liked to have seen here is Daniel Smith Quin Lilac. It is lovely and made with PR122 pigment.
I love paint comparisons like these. Thank you! I bought Sennelier’s Helios Purple on the recommendation of Kim Crick in her Ultimate mixing palette on her website. Beautiful color! I also had a tiny tube of Winsor & Newton’s Quin Magenta which is also lovely. As time goes on I am honing in on favorites in the different brands and actually settling in on my own preferences. Surprisingly I’ve gone from only brights and transparents to really enjoying earthy opaques and pastels. And that has also coincided with an interest in gouache. All seem to have their place! Recently I’ve fallen in love with White Nights and even bought some tubes to use in an open desk palette in the studio. So many paints, so little time...😂
you're very welcome :) i'm also currently on a journey of honing in on favourites in diff brands. trying to narrow down my palette to a good 24 colours. enjoy your white nights, i quite llike them myself 😆
Kim Crick addict here. I have all of her favorite single pigments. Whenever I watch a video-I end up adding the color she spotlighted. I may have problem.😁
@@NanaBeth1 Haha! Right?! I’m right there with you!
May I ask, how did you find her recommended palette of single pigments? Did you find that all the paints made for a useful, encompassing palette? If you have the time to answer what would be your review of the favorite pigments she recommends? I have all her recommendations on my wish list with my finger on the check out button but I would love to hear if someone else has used her favorite pigments as a complete palette. Thank you for your time. @@NanaBeth1
Excellent video! I love how you added the van Gogh swatches in the last comparison shot; that is very useful!
thank you! yep, i hope someone watches this and knows that they can buy VG to see if they like the hue of PR122 because it's so hard to find an affordable one. white nights sure, but not everyone has white nights available to them.
@@PaintinHiding That is very thoughtful of you! I love the way you think :)
Great comparison! I use white nights, good price for me an now I know I don’t have to look for anything else until it runs out. Love painting flowers so I use a lot of pink 🌺
i sometimes paint flowers too and this really does come in handy. the white night’s one is affordable and just as good as the rest 👍🏻😄
I have purple magenta PR122 - Schmincke Horadam and it’s very very beautiful. Love it❤
Sennelier reds and yellows are so pretty. I am picky about my magenta, I had white nights pr122 on my palette for a long time, I tried other brands but for me it comes down to the flow of the paint, I like how White Nights paints and dries. I would love to try the Sennelier, I tend to like honey paints.
Same here! I started with White Nights so I am partial now to honey based paints. I do love Sennelier as well; the colours are great for glazing
I'm so glad that in all the videos that I watch... Sennelier holds up really well.
it definitely does!
I think I like the Hohlbein the most. So vibrant and intesive - can be very dark...also the W&N is also very good.
More info on Van Gogh from my dot card -
357 "Rose" does have an appearance similar to adding white they call it's semi-transparent but I would call it semi-opaque. It's a bit cool, the pigment is PR122 (not lightfast) it's pretty but it's definitely not a substitute for PV19 for mixing.
567 "Permanent Red Violet" is a bold, transparent PV19
366 "Quinacridone Rose" is also a transparent PV19 with a value more on par with "Rose" but without that white look and warmer, it's quite lovely but doesn't have the value range of "Permanent Red Violet".
Thank you so much for these videos, they're a huge help!
The Van Gogh swatch was fascinating: I like Van Gogh for student grade a lot but the opacity was a shocker. I'd have sworn there was white in there. If you like transparency it won't do, but for those who love doing floral painting, it might be a winner and it could work well in flesh mixtures. And showing PR19 from Van Gogh, means someone can choose what is transparent to fill the Quin Rose spot. And I often use that Rembrandt Red Violet instead of Alizarin in palettes. Very good video.
I recently exchanged the Quin rose with permanent red violet in my van Gogh palette, I like that it is much more transparent and you can achieve really dark colors when mixed with PG7 😊
Very interesting and helpful comparisons - thank you! My PR 122 choices have been Roman Szmal's quin pink and Qor's quin magenta, depending on whether I'm working with pans or tubes and whether I want to be 95% the boss or maybe 50% the audience for what happens next.
aha! that's a very good point to consider! i love your analogy with being the boss or the audience, makes perfect sense :D
thank you for the comparison, Vee! This type of color is a must in my palette as a primary, i use it a lot both on its own and in mixes, especially with pthalo green. I started with Van Gogh permanent red violet too ^_^ Like you I used it all up and then got into artists grade paints anyway. Now I use PR122 and much prefer its clarity and vibrancy. I use Mijello, Winsor and Newton or White Nights, whatever I have handy works well for me. A little goes a long way so it takes a long time to be used up ^_^
you're very welcome :D and yeahh i think we very much like the same type of colours :) i still have some VG permanent red violet in the tube and i'm gonna use it up by squeezing it into a pan, like maybe 1/4 of the pan and fill the rest up with PR122 😂
I can perfectly see the whitish tint to the VG Rose on screen. And it is quite opaque indeed.
I have this colour too (it comes with my VG Vibrant Colours set).
People who talked to Royal Talens say that RT claim that the white tint/higher opacity in VG rose is due to fillers and extenders, not PW6.
But then, their Rembrandt line also comes with the colour Rose and it’s based on PR122 and PW6.
Hmmmmm 🤔
I observed the same about Rembrandt's Rose version, which I bet it's pretty much the same as VG's. VG Rose was one of the most frustrating paints (pure and in mixtures) I first bought, alongside Cerulean, Cobalt blue and Azo Yellow Light, for they have the same issues - opaque fillers or simply white pigment). Fortunately, I also had Permanent Red Violet and Quin. Rose, both pretty nice paints which I used a lot.
@@lindsaykorth2713 It’s just strange that they admit to using PW6 in Rembrandt Rose but not in VG Rose. They keep saying it’s the opaque filler that makes the VG Rose appear pastel.
Which opaque filler is that I wonder and why not to simply add PW6 and/or admit to it if they want an opaque rose this bad? =)
With cerulean they just tried to imitate Cerulean Rembrandt based on PB35. Semi-opaque granulating paint.
Of course a mix of phtalo blue and titanium white won’t give the same effects that the PB35 based cerulean give, but shade wise they came pretty close.
It’s still better to just use pure phtalo blue and add white if the need comes.
@@alylyu3659 i think opaque fillers are cheaper than PW6 (don't quote me on that) so it's possible that they didn't use any PW6.
I think I like the Sennelier and Holbein the best out of these. Really interesting seeing them all side by side. Thanks for another great video 😊🙏
one day i will make you love PR122 😆😁 okay... maybe not love, just... idk 🤣
Aurora pink! I love that 😂
Im quite picky with my red, i haven’t try it but base on your swatch i like the sennelier and holbein the best, quin magenta on its own not my favorite red that goes to quin rose since it kinda primary ish and have such lovely pink, i remember getting the old rembrandt quin rose and went on normally until someone gifted me the mission gold pure pigment set and their quin rose its just so beautiful not too warm like a quin red or scarlet but not too cool like quin magenta, just the perfect pink for me.
yeaaahh, i know what you mean. Rembrandt's quin rose is a lot like daniel smith's quin rose, they lean more blue. you seem to like the more red version of PV19, not red red PV19 but sort of like red-red, red-rose, rose, blue-rose... for what you said i think u prefer the red-rose of PV19. omg, sorry for rambling haha~
Very interesting video! Thank you for sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The best, very deep PR122 is Rosa Gallery one. It is also the cheapest.
Oh hell yeah to Rosa Gallery's Magenta Rose! I love how vibrant and pigmented it is!
Agreed!
interesting... if i ever have a chance i shall get one. but as of right now, openstock rosa gallery paints are expensive for me and not accessible. cheap or not really depends on where one lives. thanks for the input though!
I like the Sennelier and the Rembrandt from your swatches. I do like the more opaque Van Gogh Rose, but I tend to enjoy the more opaque watercolors, so there's that.
i guess you like gouache too then? :D
@@PaintinHiding yes, so far at least.
I do prefer Permanent Red violet Van Gogh, beautiful colour😊
I use Holbein but have the WN. PR122 is an excellent mixer. When matched with DV PR188 you can make a full range of reds I prefer Holbein due to its vibrancy.
hi erin! that's a nice mix recommendation~ i dont think i have any PR188s but i'll keep that in mind for the future, thank you!
By watching your videos, I'm really wanting to study more about pigments. I want to get new watercolors, but I think the smartest thing to do is instead of not so much going after company names, I'm going to go after the pigments I like, and even if I have to end up investing in single tubes (with invisible finances 🙄)- I'm sure I'll be happier that I picked and chose the colors I want. I'm not so much into primary colors although it seems you can get a bunch of different colors from just a few tubes, but that's not me. I need to have a lot of different colors and create my own unique mixes, but I'm so glad I subscribed to you and plan on binging your other videos! 😄🤗👩🎨🎨🖌️💖
i think that's definitely a good way to go about it. considering you already have so much experience with colour mixing and all that, it should be so easy for you to create something with the colours you love. i'm sure by now you know about granulation. it's definitely one of those things i fell in love with but depending on the subject you paint, granulation might not be the right answer. so it all boils down to preference in the end. this PR122 vid is just so sad, i bought way too many PR122 thinking there might be differences but honestly, they're pretty much the same. the subtle differences don't matter at all when i'm mixing it with, say, green or blue.
Try adding a black stripe down one side when you are doing your comparisons, it'll give you a better idea of opaqueness when applying it.
Great video. Thinking about doing videos like this. One suggestion. Mute the cell phone while recording.
Wspaniałe porównanie! Chciałabym zobaczyć w tym porównaniu magente z Roman Szmal
The WN is stunning. It’s one of my favorites. :)
white nights or winsor and newton? ;P
@@PaintinHiding White Nights.
@@rorilee9791 yeah it’s beautiful and affordable
One of my favorite colors, and the only "red" on my palette. I prefer QoR for this color. 100% agree with the Van Gogh red Violet being a nearly perfect dupe, even in mixing. I dislike their rose even though it is PR 122.
YES!! i'm so glad you agree that VG red violet is a good dupe! some people dont tend to believe me when i tell them so hopefully your testament will help 🥰 thank you for watching and commenting Rebecca~ 💖
now i’m so curious about your palette since pink is your only “red” :) @rebeccapage4411
I bought my Holbein PR122 watercolor years ago and back then it was still called Rose Violet. I still have it. The Holbein Gouache PR122 I just bought last week still call it Rose Violet. Same with their oil. Weird that they changed the name only in their watercolor range. PS, as far was the artist grade, I only see that the ones you think look duller or more opaque are higher pigment loads. Either you laid them on thicker or its higher pigment content in the tube. All student grade paint use fillers with the pigment. The Van Gogh Red Violet, I hate. it lacks the cool pink that I love. It's just another Quin violet PV19 . Usually called Quinacridone Violet in most brands. I use Schmincke PR122 most.
oh wow, thanks for sharing that info Renee! i didn't know it was called rose violet. i wonder if the change is for targeting/expanding sales in the western world.
Why wouldn't you swatch Van Gogh's Quinacridone Rose instead?
because that’s made with PV19
I feel that Van Gogh's watercolour behaves more like Gansai Tambi watercolour.
That is a very interesting observation. I never thought about the van Gogh watercolours like that.
in what way? i've never tried gansai tambi
Are you talking about their opacity? I feel like the color choice in their standard 12+3 set is a bit unfortunate. They recently added a really nice transparent yellow PY128 to their range, but still they have the very opaque PY184 as lemon yellow and their Azo yellows have now white in their formulation. Their permanent red light is also quite opaque, while they have a beautiful transparent "tomato" red (PR149) that could be includes instead. The cerulean blue is also a mix with white and PB15 pigment. They just could have added phthalo blue PB15 to have a "cyan" and since there is already white in the palette you could mix the color easily yourself. 😅
Could you do Daniel Smith for this
i dont think i have DS pr122 otherwise it would've made the line up. :)
I’ve had a similar experience with aquafine n°537 (perm. Rose, PV19) from Daler-rowney. It was opaque and pastely, like your van gogh rose. Probably because of an opaque filler too... I was very disapointed with this color 😒
aww man, that's not good at all. thank you for sharing!
I had the same experience with Van Gogh's Rose color. I do use it sometimes, but it resembles gouache more than true watercolor. Not a good option if you want a true magenta.
yes!! gouache, nice comparison!
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i got a tube of white nights pr122 and it's got a weird texture, i don't know if I got a bad batch or if that's just the brand
have you noticed something like that? on paper is almost like granulation but not really, and in the pallette it's almost like when acrylic starts to dry and you get like flakes (very very tiny though) instead of it dissolving
Yes! I have that with my pan from them! The texture is so weird and it looks like I have little flakes of color in my mixes for some reason. It's kinda gummy too. I switched over to Rosa Gallery pr122 instead. Much more pigmented, vibrant, and it's the same price.
@@irritatedlibrarian9057 it's really annoying because it's a big tube and i don't want to just toss it aside :/
my white nights PR122 is absolutely fine as you can see in the vid. i think you got a bad batch because i've heard of this happening with white nights before.
My white nights tube is also perfectly fine
@@PaintinHiding ive emailed them with pictures of the paint in HP, CP and rough paper and they basically said "your paper is too smooth but tell us the tube batch and date"
i replied with the info and... that's it, they never responded back 😶
I have the Rembrandt & a tube of Rosa Gallery. Definitely not my kind of color so I have no idea why I have 2 different ones.
d'awww maybe you were dabbling and that's fine. i have a lot because it's one of my fave colours and i wasn't sure if there were differences in hues like PV19. so now i have so many tubes of this haha. quite glad it turned out that there's minimal difference and it's pretty consistent between brands. i'm definitely not going to be buying anymore PR122 any time soon. lol
Second!
I’m sorry, but if you don’t have Qor Quinacridone Magenta, you’re missing the best version of this paint.
VG usually is a let down for me... Colors get dull after drying and mixing gets muddy... If I hadn't had other palettes from other brands I would have gave up on watercolor..