Muay Boran vs Muay Thai: Revealing the Differences
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Muay Thai originated from Muay Boran, but what are the differences between the two? Watch out this video to find out! (There are few subtle differences that nobody mentions!)
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Muay Nam is the Muay Boran style I'm developing. It was born by applying the principles of Jeet Kune Do to a mix of many Muay Boran styles, which have been refined in a modern and practical way, with the influence of many combat sports and martial arts from all around the world (Old British Bare Knuckle Boxing, Lethwei, Taekwondo, Boxing, Wushu, MMA, various ancient and contemporary Wrestling styles).
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These were the main differences but there are more, let me know in the comments if you know any other!
Another big difference is that Muay Thai pros have better skills in boxing due to the influence of western boxing, especially the Muay Mat specialists (e.g. Samson Isaan and Veerapol Sahaprom). Some of them actually transitioned to professional boxing and won titles there such as Samart Payakaroon and Somrak Khamsing.
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@@combatsportsarchive7632 Western boxing was officially introduced in Thailand in 1913 and by 1919 it was taught together with Muay Thai. At the time Muay Boran was still used since gloves were introduced in 1928 so it was influenced by western boxing and incorporated its punches and tactics. But you are right because there are no Muay Boran fights or competitions so Muay Thai fighters develop a lot better. Surely it also something that depends on the individual fighters but most Muay Boran practitioners never competed at high level, and the Muay Thai fighters you mentioned are the best of the best.
@@GaawutProductions Right, the Thais imported western boxing during that timeline. Even the ring was adopted for experiment. However, there were Muay Thai legends who incorporated Muay Boran's stuff into their professional fights in Thailand such as Somrak Khamsing and Samart Payakaroon. I checked out their highlight footages. Their fighting style looked somewhat distinct from standard Muay Thai since they learned those from knowledgeable instructors who learned the real stuff from past masters like Kru Yodtong Senanan. So they at least tested some of the old methods effectively in the ring. If I run a Muay Boran group, I'd encourage them to adopt a freestyle format like Kudo's format so that they can practice both the striking methods and grappling techniques without the restriction of boxing gloves. Kudo's format is like MMA's format except they wear a special type of helmets that allows fighters to throw headbutts and elbow strikes at each other constantly. They can also use throwing techniques with small gloves like Judo there. If you wanna see a video example of Kudo's format, type "Daido Juku Kudo" on the search box to find some.
Boran uses weapons too
@@soutoabn In the past there was a single martial discipline that consisted in weapons + empty handed, it later split. Nowadays Muay Boran is only the unharmed area, but some master teach also Thai Fencing with it.
I never knew how much diversity was in Muay Boran, Its kind of just an umbrella term for many different styles that cover everything, kind of like kung fu as the umbrella term for Chinese martial arts. Both are almost like MMA before MMA, they cover ground kicking clinching throwing sweeping trapping boxing etc. with certain systems specializing or focusing on certain areas. Its truly a wonderful and rich tradition, thanks for enlightening me
Actually...it isn't just Muay Boran that is similar to MMA. Kung-Fu and Okinawan Karate was also the same.
Kung-Fu is actually 90% grappling when the BS is out of the equation. And old Okinawan Karate is less strikes, and moreso on grappling and throws with a mix of strikes.
It seems modern martial arts shows more of one category than the old school of being well-rounded.
Very true, well said
Kung Fu is gong Fu which just means like hard word. The term for Chinese martial arts is wushu
It surprised you how diverse a catch all category is?? You're trying irony right?? Or?? Lmao seriously silly
@@vincentlee7359 kung fu is a sham. Wushu Sanda and Tai Chi is the real deal
Muay Thai - Martial arts for sport
Muay Boran - Martial arts for war
That’s stupid and simplistic
@@draco_1876 agreed
both are made for nearly killing your opponent
Wrong, the same guy made a video about the problems of Muay Boran. It is not this "warrior art" you think it is. th-cam.com/video/MuO7tu0oq1Y/w-d-xo.html
Muay Thai is muay boran that reduce danger for use in sports because usually Thai people use muay in war
I tried to briefly study Muay Boran a while ago, I could never really find any specifics like what I found here. Very insightful video, khawp khun brother
Thank you 🙏
Obviously this would make a lot of sense as traditional arts were usually battlefield arts. Great video and thank you!
Define ''traditional''. Wrestling has been a ''battlefield art'' for centuries as one needs to know how to defend themselves off the ground or find a gap in the enemy armor to stab them.
That being said, i dont think most of these battlefield arts worked very well on actual battlefield where formation fighting was preffered. I would argue that these were more of an elite special ops of the old trades... spy's and what not.
@Rock McDwayne Wrestling is indeed traditional and expressed all over the world in similar yet varied ways. What's even more traditional than empty hand arts is picking up a weapon. Whether that be rocks, dirt, or a club, etc.
@@rockmcdwayne1710 formation is a tactic and or strategy. Your soldiers knowing combat is basic training. They all knew muay boran. All soldiers today have training in martial arts. Soldiers knowing martial arts is basic training. It’s not if formation was “preferred” formation is there regardless because it’s part of the battle plans. Your soldiers being trained is a given otherwise they’re not ready for war.
@@rockmcdwayne1710 That's actually factually incorrect look at the Martial Arts Americans used in before the end of WW2. Had a lot of old Style Brutal Wrestling Mixed with Boxing with no ruled Handicaps. That shit was way better then the Wrestling they teach today. They would teach you skills like how to smash someones head while in a clench or under arm hold. How to drop them down into a position to stomp their head in etc.
Most people don't want to admit it but sports watered down the Best Arts. Judo is a perfect example it lost over 80 percent of it's most effective techniques for a real life or death fight. Since a majority of them ended with the back of the head hitting the ground while being slammed at the same time. The Ippon Seoi or Over the Shoulder Throw the most bread and butter technique for a instant knockout has been watered down the modern version doesn't follow through.
The original if done correctly would probably end with a person skull being cracked on the pavement so bad no matter how tough they are there is no way they would be able to get up again. And would probably need serious medical attention immediately. And it especially shows as even the Modern Greco Roman Wrestling which is heavily Watered Down bodies most Grappling Arts through aggressive tactics alone. Now imagine if it had the full arsenal from it's inception before they were lost to time.
There's a lot of individual differences between Muay Thai and Boran, but we can say generally they're differ to each other due to his propose.
Thai is for competition sake and Boran is to war propose.
A lot of people missjugde it thinking that Boran is stronger than Thai cause it was made for war, but that is not the truth.
Boran is made to figth against multiple enemies so the focus is diffused, it's more all-round, have some wrestling skills and is a Co-op art, since in an army, you barely see a 1vs1 combat, so taking low guard enemies down, attacking the back and that sort of thing is the goal during a war.
Thai in the other side, is focused on 1vs1 strategy, the figther is more oriented to pay attention only in opponent in your face, you pay attention with his kicks, head movement and all, you're generally will be aiming for a counter.
You don't need to kill, or KO you opponent to win, so you can focus more in defense and volume strikes like jabs,low kicks and etc.
Just like traditional jiu-jitsu vs Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu. BJJ is for competition sake, so different from war jiu-jitsu, we have a plenty of chains and groundwork, transitions, locks and etc, things that are impossible to do during a war, since a enemy can just stab your back while you're are rolling whit each other in the ground.
fantastic comment, thank you
Yes, that's why Muay Thai or Boran cannot win ove Silat practitioner. Because Silat is solely made for War. To kill. Not for individual competition.
@@nashk935 if people doing silat dont practice on resisting opponents they will probably lose anyway
Wushu Sanshou has 3 variants for each purpose respectively:
Military Sanshou focuses to incapacitating opponents quickly, which will disable their combat abilities for a long time, even permernantly. Deadly strikes can take life as well.
Civillian Sanshou aimed to help non-law enforcers to defend themselves at will that will guarantee their safety while limit them from applying fatal assault to the offenders and void most legal troubles to the victims.
Sport Sanshou are considered combat sport for competition. They're solely 1v1 matches with headgears, soft body armors, boxing-similar gloves and shin guards. There are hardly serious injuries when sparring as everyday training.
So yeah, basically similar.
@@nashk935 silat? you mean indonesian pencak silat? meeehhhhh.. which war? the people there have slave mentality the dutch are able to colonize them for 3,5 century.. highly doubt that its used in any war.. well maybe they silat dance around then throw their bamboo since that's the bullshit they're proud of, fighting tanks with bamboo
Muay Boran is very similar if not exactly the same as Lethwei, a.k.a Burmese Boxing. I'm just glad you are highlighting Muary Boran, too many people praise Muay Thai because it is a better transitional combat system for MMA. People need to know that there are other, more effective systems for fighting outside of the usual norms that everyone is used to.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 Muay Boran is not more effektive than modern sport muaythai, it is a lot more effective, because it's a traditionell martial arts, with no rules and with purpose of selfdefense (fighting). So please inform yourself better.
@@schadowfighter4705 I love how you TMA folks keep throwing in the "iT hAs nO RuLEs" argument, buddy everything has rules, even ancient combat arts had rules, especially when it came to 1 one 1 bouts or duels in order to ensure the safety of each fighter, do you honestly think that in ancient times people just willingly put themselves in danger and risk of death just for fun....maybe you need to inform yourself better and stop believing everything you see in martial arts movies....even grand battles had rules, one of the most important rules was for ancient warriors to stay in formation because if their formation broke they'd lose and be overwhelmed by the enemy....these ancient battles you see in films where everyone just separates into 1 on 1 fights have been proven to be historically inaccurate....the only difference is that today the rules of competitive fighting and battle has changed, but it doesn't mean traditional martial arts styles like Muay Boran didn't have any rules in ancient times...murder has been a crime through out history my friend, if Muay Boran didn't have any rules and if a fighter accidentally or even purposefully killed an opponent in a competitive bout, do you think the ancient authorities would have just let it slide?
Yes there are many cases of fights to the death for example the gladiator fights in ancient Rome or medieval sword duels but just like today those had to be sanctioned by authorities in power at the time, people couldn't just decide on their own to do those things, there had to be a mutual agreement between the two fighters and a judge or lawman had to be involved to make sure that everything was fair, u can find many historical documents that prove that....and dude.....if u think u can't kill someone with modern Muay Thai....u haven't been paying attention to enough modern competition fights long enough, people have died in modern competitive fights many times and even in street fights where both parties involved didn't have any martial arts training , how about you let a Muay Thai fighter kick you full force in the head where your temple is located, knock you down onto a concrete pavement where your head bounces off and cracks your skull....and let me know whether you'll walk away undamaged and totally fine...I'll wait
Comments like yours just make me wonder if you have any knowledge of actual fighting or of you've ever experienced an actual fight before whether in a ring or at school, a bar or club or whatever, it's not as pretty and beautiful as it looks in the movies you know
@@cyborgchicken3502 I don't know if you can read or understand my comment, but I say it just for again.
Muay Boran is a Martial Art, with purpose for self defense and when you defend your life or this of your mum, you will fight without RULES. Their is no refugee, no ring and no pauses. So please come back to reality and not waste my Time with your nonsense.
And the only Person here who hasn't has any experience in fighting and watch to much movies are only you.
People like you make me really angry. You should go to a real martial artist and led him kick you with full power in your head and then tell me how good you feel.
@@cyborgchicken3502 emmm i think you missed the point. Muay boran is not for competitive sport, it reflects real situation fight when you can do whatever you do to survive, hence no rules. I mean, why would you gauge out an opponent eye or something like that in competition.
Muay thai involved into mma sports while muay boran are more directed for people who want to learn to self defense in real situation.
Muay Boran is basically a forbidden Muay Thai technique. When you train Muay Boran you are expected to be able to fight up to 3 people at once as it is design by a small kingdom or state that was expected to fight a bigger kingdom/empire enemy in what is modern Thailand today. In addition, Muay Boran is also compaible with sword, spear, bamboo wood (practical as weapon since there is a lot grown in Thailand), rope, lance and musket (in case you can't fire it.).
Interesting, I study muay thai at gym where we sometimes also practice muay boran I was aware of some of the differences but not to this extent
Nice and informative video! Keep them coming
I'm glad it was helpful! Thank you for your support 🙏
Muay Boran is to Kung Fu, as Muay Thai to Sanda/Sanshou.
Both MB and KF are umbrella martial arts due to the many variations/styles. Both Sanda and Muay Thai were made a little after WW1 (around 1920s-1930s) sanda however didn’t become accessible to civilians till the 60s or 70s.
That's what i was wondering, whether Muy Thai is the sports adaptation of Muy Boran. Based on what I'm seeing, Muy Boran is a serious, anything goes kind of martial arts, and Muy Thai has rules and regulations. I'm chinese and studied under my uncle growing up, and he talks about this all the time. How "my generation" is learning martial arts for health and exercise while back in the day (before his days) it was truly about fighting off attackers.
Yes thats a fantastic analogy, theres the umbrella terms for the traditional arts, and the modern specific sport versions of each
@@Prestonhlt Sorry, your grandpa was wrong. If anything, Kung fu fighters couldnt fight at all. Its been proven and tested many times. Thats why today Sanda is the most efficient Chinese combative sport. Not surprisingly it barely has any similarities to traditional Kung fu style ie Wing chun or Wushu. If anything it looks more like a modern today kickboxing which is roughly based on Muay thai after a Muay thai fighter "Changpuek" beated an American kickboxer "Rick Roufus". This fight has changed the whole history of kickboxing.
You know the Chinese MMA Xiaodong who used to exposed traditional Kung fu masters how Kung fu doesnt work.
I went into Wing Chun after watching Ip Man. My friend went into Muay Thai after watching Ong Bak. My gym taught what Donny Yen did in those films. Sadly, my friend's gym never taught what Tony Jaa did and I can see why that is now. Some martial arts are unfortunately so rarely found.
If your friend went for over 2 months, I'd bet a week's salary he could kick your butt in a scrap 🤣🤣🤣
@@samgomez2088 He did attend and he couldn't. Because it's not about what martial art you're practicing. It's about how well you are a practitioner. You laugh all you want but muay thai is not a superior sport. It's just a sport. End of story. Many other practitioners can take down a thai fighter.
Jaa and Yen are cool and all but their moves are choreographed, staged, scripted for excitement. The real training is nothing flashy like that. 99% of the time it’s tedious, tiring and painful.
@@alexpopa98 Agreed that Aikido wouldn't beat BJJ. But BJJ didn't pop up out of thin air. It utilized more methods than just traditional jiujistu. So, BJJ isn't in the same category as Aikido, Muay Thai, or Wing Chun, which I spoke of. And I never mentioned mixed martial arts in my argument, which BJJ is. So if you're gonna bring up BJJ, then we can bring up how Khabib utilized his Sambo in his MMA career. If we were to argue then, my argument would still be valid and yours wouldn't. Because, again, it wouldn't be about one MMA form's superiority to another (Sambo v. BJJ), rather the practitioner's expertise.
@@alexpopa98 You must be either confused or terrible at English. Although, I explained myself clearly previously, I will do you a favour and make it even simpler to your understanding.
BJJ is not a traditional martial art like Aikido. Neither is Sambo. Both, Sambo and BJJ have had a history of constantly evolving utilizing different martial arts technique into their own. Therefore these two should be seen as mma, not traditional.
Aikido, Muay Thai, and Wing Chun have not evolved into mma, because they only remain traditional and have not taken other martial arts method into their own. Therefore BJJ and Sambo should be a proper comparison as both are mma; not Aikido and BJJ.
As per whatever else you have wasted your time in trying to explain, I have 0 interest in tackling because your arguments do piss-poor job at articulating my arguments. So I will conclude once again that it's not about the art but practitioner.
Hopefully this helps.
Edit: Please do try to understand that categorizing here is important: grapple with grapple, mma with mma, striking with striking, and traditional with traditional. The entire argument began on these basis when I argued with another person here, who has now left.
Excellent video ! Congratulations. It was very interesting and instructive. I loved to watch it. Thank you for sharing it 🙏🏽.
I'm glad you enjoyed it 🙏
Very useful video, short, knowledgeable and straight to the point.
Thank you 🙏
Short and informative. Great job.
I'm glad you appreciated it! 🙏
Really enjoyed this upload - not much info out there on MB
I'm glad to hear that! I will keep up with the production to share more info 🙏
Fascinating, thank you 🙏🏾
Kinda wanna learn Muay boran now
That's great! 🔥 You can start by checking out the free course on my TH-cam channel
I’ve wanted a video that gave me a quick sense of the difference 🙏 I think I would still favor Muay Thai for self-defense training because I know that the method you spar with is the method you will fight with. Thai Boxing, to me, is the ultimate bang-for-the-buck martial art. 🤘
Comparing Muay Thai with Muay Boran is like comparing Judo with Japanese Jujutsu.
So basically Muay Thai is a sport-game, but Muay Boran is a killing technique.
Perfecta explication!💪🏽
Muchas gracias 🙏
Great video man 💪
Thank you 💪
Never even heard of Muay Boran until Tony Jaa, amazed me In Ong Bak with it. Wish he made more films as a young man, so much better than Jet Li and Jackie Chan.
Jet Li and Jackie Chan were Tony Jaa's heroes, and please don't judge them on their American films. Their Hong Kong films were so much better
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ที่โทนี่จาใช้คือ มวยโคราช
โคราช เป็นชื่อจังหวัดหนึ่งในไทย
I have mastered both of these, and they are equally as good
In the world of mma, I think eventually all the efficient and effective moves will be incorporated. Maybe not in the cage but for self defense. We're not there yet but I've seen a lot of moves added since I began studying
It's a very interesting footage. Respect 🇵🇱
High quality as always, good sir 😌☕️
Thank you for your feedback 🙏
Simplest difference between the 2 is this; Muay Thai is for the arena, Muay Boran is for the battlefield.
Well, it's not exactly correct, there were Muay Boran fights in arenas; they had fewer limitations than Muay Thai fights, but were still regulated bouts. Muay Boran was used in both 🙏
0:35 😂😂😂 my man he subtlety taken shots by calling them pillows
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Good video brother
Thank you 🙏
I´m always amazed by your didactic capabilities!!! Your students are very lucky!
Thank you! Technically I don't have students since I'm not a master, but I have fellow practitioners with which I share what I know 😁🙏
@@GaawutProductions Then they are lucky indeed!
Muay Thai is to train fighters. Muay Boran is to train warriors.
Muay Boran is well rounded, Muay Thai is limited. Muay Boran is for the battlefield, Muay Thai is for the ring. Muay Boran technical prowess is influence by the weapons(Krabi Kabong), Muay Thai technical prowess is semi-similar too American boxing and kickboxing. Muay Boran has techniques created for killing, Muay Thai has techniques tailored towards knockout's and sweep takedown. All together, Muay Thai is nothing but a byproduct of Muay Boran, created for entertainment, Muay Boran is a art base on battlefield survival and technical applications too handle your attacker. All in all, differences of the 2 is already their. Instead of differences, modernize applications from Muay Thai can polish Muay Boran traditional applications by making it more flowing and less stagnant.
@@kjo1543 Muay Boran has a lot of forms to it.That's what separates it from Muay Thai. While Muay Boran is systematic in nature, Muay Thai is system-less. Boran has a larger scale of techniques. There's nothing you can't pick up since the information is already localized.
@@Dragonflyjones67 krabi krabong isn't a fighting art it was created for show
@@user-nb8dm1gz2t I beg too differ. Is it not part of Thai warrior culture???? Feel free to ask that same question too other Thai instructors? And perhaps they will give you a different answer.....
@@Dragonflyjones67 maybe it was originally but the art was taught today (which is also really hard to find) is purely theatrical
@@user-nb8dm1gz2t How else would they preserve the tradition of the art??? If it's theatrical (unless you want a death match to make it real)......the main point is too keep it relevant and alive.
Muay Boran is basically like kung fu. What's great is that by having a combat sport associated with it, (muay thai), you can develop all the attributes needed to make muay boran work. I often see kung fu or other traditional arts where , their approach is better than combat sports for real self defense, but I can also see the people demonstrating them wouldn't be able to use them. In that case you would be better off just taking a seasoned mma fighter and teaching him kung fu for a year, and he would be better at self defense than both kung fu practitioners and other mma fighters, even if he is now slightly worse at mma. I think something similar with muay boran. If you get a nice foundation in muay thai and train some wrestling, you could move on to muay boran and krabi krabong and be good at self defense.
Kung Fu guy here. I agree with you completely
Spot on. I trained in Muay Thai for about five years, took a break and then started studying Kung Fu. When sparring, I'd find myself unintentionally combining the two styles. One night, one of my sparring partners asked me if I had studied Muay Boran. Now I understand why!
Just like karate. Okinawan karate, which is a descendant Chinese art, not the Japanese rubbish
Kung Fu has long it’s true art form long time ago. All tma fighting (or the ones that can) comes down to “kickboxing” with maybe good fighters showing some flares of Kung fu Karate or Muay Boran to the trained eye.
Excellent comment.
Thanks, now I see the differences!
quite an EDUCATIONAL presentation there,jasper. also worthy of mention:lethwei,muay lao,pradal serey-ALL DIFFERENT IN MOVEMENTS from mt. no matter how SUBTLE they might be,if examining CLOSELY,an individual shall find said nuances. always remember,folks,similar ≠ IDENTICAL. i bid u peace.
Thai Langauge 101
Boran (โบราณ) = Ancient/Oldschool/In the past
MuayBoran is not a name of martial art. It just a description that martial art(muay) is in the past. There's a lot of fighting style back in the days like Chaiya fighting style or Tasao fighting style ETC.
Oh If you visit Thailand don't forget to order a drink 'CoffeeBoran' the old style brew coffee,. It has a good taste and smell. You'll love it believe me 😉
Muay Thai and Ancient Muay Thai are very dangerous. I'm Thai and I'm glad to study. My boxing teacher taught me a lot of techniques. But when he teaches Muay Thai, I really like it because it's charming. It's dangerous at the same time. If anyone wants to practice self-defense, Muay Thai, if better than Muay Boran, I'm not good at English. Sorry for any mistakes.
Very good!
As far as I know, there is no such "point" system in professional MT fights in Thailand. Like, the first two rounds both fighters get 10/10 unless there is a knockdown (10/8), or one of them is clearly dominating (10/9). Also judges make notes about who was better. The next 3 rounds fighter who dominates does not lose points, i. e. usually score is the same 10/9 or 10/8 for knockdowns. In case of 10/10 judges remember who was better in the first 2 rounds. That is, 50/47 is a usual score. At least, that's what I've been told.
World kickboxing association has a ruleset for match scoring in the West...
Really wanna see someone using Muaythai Boran wrestling technique in MMA instead of BJJ
Show 👏👏
@0:38 my boy Tony Jaa done time traveled🤣
Muay Boran looks like an early prototype of modern MMA its sad to see not many places teach this style it looks a lot more complete then traditional Muay Thai
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Boran is mean ancient.
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Muay Boran sounds like its origins were similar to Capoeira in the sense that both were made to combat an enemy, but the styles differ because of who they were used by.
Do you think I can learn this online? I don’t have muay boran near me. I don’t get how this one isn’t more popular it seems astronomically better.
If you are a total beginner I would recommend you to get into a gym first; you can study Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Sanda or MMA at the gym and implement Muay Boran techniques at home or during free training.
If you already have the basics (stance, footwork, strikes with at least the 8 weapons, defenses) then you can learn MB at home from videos; I'm uploading on my channel a free course on the basics of my Muay Boran style, Muay Nam, you can use it as a reference for your Muay Boran training. I also offer an online course and a book that you can buy.
In theory, you can learn Muay Boran at home from 0 with proper training and tutorials, but if you get something wrong it will take more time to correct it than to learn it from 0.
Don't be discouraged by the lack of gyms, when I was a beginner I started Muay Boran at home because the Muay Boran gym near my home was closed that month. Since at the time there was not a lot of content on Muay Boran I rigorously tried to mimic the techniques I saw in the videos. When I started training at the Muay Boran gym I was complimented because I already had a sort of base and that made me catch up faster, so what I did solo was useful, although I had to correct a few things, for example, my stance was too bladed (like the Chaiya one) and a more frontal one should be used instead.
Things are different now since I'm making sure to give the best tutorials possible to help those who don't have an MB gym near home.
In short; If you don't have a Muay Boran gym near home I recommend you to study from my channel and courses, while training in Muay Thai/Sanda/Kickboxing/MMA/Kudo. And for the wrestling area, I recommend Judo/Sambo/Jiu-jitsu/American Wrestling.
If you can't get into a gym right now then do your best with the resources you have, just never give up and always work properly on it 🙏
Did you make a video on the differences between Muay Boran and Lethwei?
Yes, here it is:
th-cam.com/video/23mDoKJ6NYA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1TnRDg020WMMh8Lx
@@GaawutProductions awesome, thank you.
Seems to me Boran would be more beneficial to self defense. Hence the no gloves and if you practice wrestling. Although I do like the more straight stance of Thai. Both are good. I like Muay fighting art.
cool
Tony Jaa used some Boran in the Protector. Brutal but awesome scene.
ONG BAK. 'nuff said.
@@hostilegraveyard2849 also true. Plus Ong Bak 2 was damn near Anime lol. My man fighting a woman who does magick too? Ong Bak is Thai Anime almost lol. Fucking love Tony Jaa.
I would love to formally learn Muay Boren techniques. I do primarily bjj, then muay Thai. But I am an acrobatic guy and feel I need more "crazy moves" to catch people out when I established my normal game.
I have never heard the word muay boran before watching this video...
Really? I'm glad you were able to discover this amazing martial art 🙏
Seems to be an obvious difference between the real all case scenario style and the one that more safe and more marketable
Can i assume that Muy Thai is the modern, sports adaptation of Muy Boran? Seems Muy Boran is a serious defense system and Muy Thai is more for sports, with rules and regulations?
Muay Boran was used in regulated fights too, it can a brutal sport or a defensive system, although not everything works, you have to refine and polish the art a lot.
So its the complete version of Muay Thai. What the martial art was actually supposed to be for a legit fight and not a sport event.
Learning the non-sports history of these martial arts is fascinating
Muay boran and Okinawan karate have some in common both have throws takedowns and joint locks but a lot of people don’t know about them but I do know Okinawan kenpo so I can’t speak for all of muay boran but they are just getting popular and over shadowed by muay thai and Kyokushin karate
Now do muay boran vs lethwei differeces but without the obvios one which is the headbutt
Muay Boran have wrestling and grappling too
Yes!
I like both.
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Muay Thai: Entertain your audiences with brutal moves.
Muay Boran: Make sure you kill the dude in front of you without sword or spear.
My thai coach said muay thai boran is just for demonstration of the fighting style. He also said it’s easier to get injured in boran cos both sides need to cooperate and sync up, while in a fight you just be yourself.
Well, your coach doesn't know what he's talking about...
@@GaawutProductions go look up Singpayak... he's a current fighter and champion in Australia
@@toughgamer2960 I'm not arguing about his Muay Thai competence, but probably he has never studied Muay Boran in depth, it's not just for demonstration, you have to look for the oldest styles to understand the true depth of Muay Boran (Thasao, Korat, Lopburi, Chaiya Chaisawat, Nawarach).
However, in a certain sense he's right because there is a gap between training and real applications, masters lack the right training methods which are instead used in sports like MMA and Muay Thai, so for many Muay Boran is just for demonstration.
@@GaawutProductions thanks! I think that makes sense, so muay boran is like a mixture of traditions while muay thai is more applied practical fighting style.
@@toughgamer2960 Yes, and if we combine the best of both worlds we can give a functional approach to Muay Boran, based on modern fighting standards, that's what I'm trying to do. It is something that has never happened yet in Thailand because they are focused on Muay Thai and recently on MMA, there are no Muay Boran fights anymore, but maybe in the future there will be, who knows 🙏
Fahkumram from Tekken 7. Muay Boran
Muay boran .. use a lot power and expect to complete oppopnent by asap .because when you fight in battle field you have to fight with opponent more than 1-2 when you win next one keep coming. If you take time to fight . Many enemy should be standing around you and over 5 people then less chance to survive.
Okay great
Diferences:
One is the grandpha of the other.
Sport vs Combat art basically. Right?
Well, yes and no. Muay Boran was a combat art but it was also a sport which had fewer rules than Muay Thai.
@@GaawutProductions no lie,muay boran matches are seriously trippy to behold! and while you'll recognize familiar traits & characteristics w/in,it's clearly a departure from what we consider ur everyday "muay thai". definitely got its OWN FEATURES.
Why you didn't mention Muay Shootan where shooting your opponent is also allowed?
Jesus thank you, ive been wonderin about this shit for years 🤙🤙
Where can I learn Muay Boran (in America)?
Look for your nearest gym if you have one, good Muay Boran is still not widespread in America.
If you don't have one, I upload tutorials on my TH-cam channel, and I offer an online course and various books 🙏
wait!
muay boran has headbutt?
i thought lethwei was the only kickboxing that used headbutt?
plus. some muay boran competition don't allowed headbutts.
my other instructors did not teach me how to headbutt in muay boran style. they only teach me how to lock joints and throws.
i honestly confused
when i say "they did not teach me how to headbutt" i meant like they don't allow anyone to learn headbutt because its dangerous and it could cause a minor concussion and break our thick skulls.
Watch this video of mine to understand the problem with headbutts in Muay Boran:
th-cam.com/users/shortsVUSL3IZQy8k?feature=share
I'm a little confused with this. In the movie Ong Bak: The Thai warrior, he refers to his martial art as Muay Thai, but from the description in this video, I'm thinking it was Muay Boran. Am I wrong to think this? I don't know much about martial arts, so this is an honest question.
Tony Jaa used Muay Boran in the movie, but it is referred to as Muay Thai because Muay Boran is a term born recently that became very popular after the movie was released. Muay Thai can mean the combat sport, or as a general term, the boxing from Thailand, both ancient and modern 🙏
Which gyms aside from Tiger Muay Thai teach Muay Boran in Thailand?
Look for Kru Lek or Kru Praeng if you want to learn Muay Chaiya.
There is also the Muay Sangha (a revisited version of Muay Chaiya) camp in Chiang Mai.
In the Luktupfah camp, you can learn what I call "Standard Muay Boran".
There is Kru Ekger Mono if you want to learn Siamyut.
Look for Master Chaisawat to learn Muay Chaisawat.
There are a lot of places you can learn from, It depends on your personal preferences.
Siamyut and Muay Chaisawat are two of my favorites.
@@GaawutProductions Thank You 🙏 There are some Muay Thai gyms in USA but I would love to see the more traditional Muay Boran come to the USA.
@@saharnotsarah There are few Muay Boran gyms in the USA, Kru Pol teaches Muay Chaiya for example. But you are right, Muay Boran should be spread more in the USA and all around the world 🙏
@@GaawutProductions The closest pure MT gyms in my area would be Fairtex and Woodenman. Where is Kru Pol located? I would love to study it. I learned MT adapted for MMA but I wanna see some stuff unique to the other styles.
@@saharnotsarah Look for @ninelimbsstrikers on Instagram, you will find the address of the gym.
Since you have practiced Muay Thai, you can also take online classes to learn the basics of traditional styles (Korat, Chaiya, Lopburi). Also, I have an online course if you are interested, the preview is free 🙏
What are the differences between muay lao and muay thai?
From what I know the only difference is in the name if we are only talking about the sports
Muay buran is basically a mix of close combat and self defense more advanced for streets where are no rules, created to survive and to cause fastest and most worth injuries to a opponent….to brake him as fast and as brutal as possible
I believe muay boran will knock out a muay thai fighter in a fight while a lethwei fighter will go toe to toe with the boran fighter but in the end muay boran will carry due to more weapons
What Happen if you put all fighting style together and mix them to your own fighting style xc
Follow my channel to find out, I've merged many Muay Boran styles into my own called Muay Nam 🙏
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Muay Thai is a bomb, a sport
Muay Boran is atomic bomb, street
Where can I get a mask like yours?
I'm surprised you want one! I made it myself with a ballon, a plastic mask as a mold, glue, and paper. If you want I can explain the process.
@@GaawutProductions Yes, I do
@@leonardobleda6699 You will need a balloon, paper towel, newspaper, vinyl glue, vaseline, a plastic mask with the shape of a human face, and empty eyes.
1) inflate the balloon around your head size and fix the plastic mask over it
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This is Tony JAA Muay Thai. I thought he's mix other martial arts.
In "Ong Bak" and "The Protector" he used Muay Boran, while in other movies he used Muay Boran and other martial arts.
Is muay boran better represented in Burmese boxing?
Well, the use of Headbutts is a game changer and since Burmese Boxing allows it we can use Lethwei fights as an example to show how clinching in Muay Boran should look like when the 9th weapon is allowed, but the wrestling repertoire of Lethwei is still limited compared to that of Muay Boran.
But I have to say that Lethwei definitely represents more Muay Boran than Muay Thai does.
To get a proper Muay Boran fight you should combine Lethwei and MMA, but with special rules for ground fighting.
@@GaawutProductions cheers mate.
Muay in Thai language meaning is boxing like when we say Chinese kung fu we say Muay Jean (Chinese in Thai language) and Boran in Thai language meaning is Ancient.
Ok but what's the strongest muay thai style in Thailand? I mean I know muay boran but what's the strongest style out of the others?
There is no strongest style, they are all valid.
isn't muay thai to muay boran is what judo is to jiu jitsu? like, muay thai is the sport form?
Yes, exactly.
@@GaawutProductions thank you.
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does krabi krabong come from muay boran or is it it's own art?
Originally Muay Boran and Krabi Krabong were a single art that later split around the 17th century.
Originally Muay Boran was developed to support the use of weapons; many techniques in Muay Boran (like uppercuts and swings) follow the kinesiology of fighting with weapons, also the stance and footwork are the same.
@@GaawutProductions cool was siamese wrestling also part of the original art, did the thai's practice a sort of ancient pankration/mma?
@@izzygarcialionibabaloipici6293 Yes, today we call it Muay Pram or Pram.
It split from the original art and took an identity of its own.
We know for certain that it existed because it was mentioned in Thai and foreign historical records, plus there are statues depicting wrestling.
Pure wrestling disappeared around the 19th century, however, its repertoire can still be found scattered around the various Muay Boran styles.
Muay Boran of the past had the same rules as Pankration and the Indian Malla-Yuddha, these arts have a lot of similarities in both wrestling and striking; we can say that there was a universal martial art in ancient times which was practiced all around the world, with few differences depending on the local culture.
@@GaawutProductions I would argue that there never was a single art.
@@kaliyuddha Not a single unified art, but many arts that essentially revolved around the same ruleset with many similarities.
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Muay boran supposedly used in wars. Not excatly sure how effective it really was.
Muay thai, the strongest stand up style which has been refined for hundreds of years. Its roughly based on Muay boran. Today Muay thai has been the core stand up style for MMA and has been influencing other stand up styles since.
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So what you're basically saying is muay boran is "Lethwei" for the most part ?
Muay Boran is closer to Lethwei than to Muay Thai, but Lethwei is still more limited than Muay Boran.
Asean art is relative to each other . All look the same . Such as silat kali eskrima muaylaos . even lethwei .
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Who IS the man from 1:30
Grand Master De Cesaris. I've studied at his academy, he's a genius 🙏
The first one is for sport. And the second one is for war.
MMA would say if these "war" techniques are not able to be tested and practiced on resisting opponents, they won't be part of you and not very likely to be effective when you try to use it in a real fight.
I have never heard of Muay Boran before
Les deux devrait être associés comme c est le cas dans mon club ça évite d être limité
Et ceux qui font du Muay Boran par rapport à ong bak vont être déçu c’est beaucoup moins artistique
Amazing.Its unsportified and all around kind of “gun in ur pocket” martial art.
Muay Thai is Muay Boran with rules for the ring.
In a certain sense yes!
Ones a sport and the other was used mainly for self defense and war.