HUGE! War Within M+ Rework IS HERE!
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Welcome back to MarcelianOnline! We’ve gone on and tested the war within m+ rework with all the new affixes, how they interact and impact your dungeon runs and got a grasp of how punishing / rewarding they are. All these war within m+ changes are indeed a breath of fresh air and they will surely bring more people in the game mode. Let’s get into all the details for the new war within mythic plus :)
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After watching countless content creators literally reading the blue post and having no meaningful take on this, it’s very refreshing to have somebody with meaningful breakdown without fucking reading the blue post. Job good done. Keep em coming
Cheers bud!
For real, everyone goes blank stare while reading the notes and it's boring as hell, no showmanship at all, I already read the damn blue post give me some HOT TAKES
I think you would like Tactyks
I see what you did there 😮
The afflock fighting for his life against the tank in the meter 🤣at 11:13
That dating reference had me chuckling. Had to rewind and hear it again
This was timed a bit better, Flame! Good video, thanks!
Enormous.
Thank you :)
the hustle is real :D
After our last video you better believe it!
It’s nice to think that Peril will force people to get good but sadly I don’t see that as happening. I think all it is going to do is make M+ (especially pugging) more toxic. Add that to the forced tyrannical and fort in higher keys and I foresee a bunch of dead keys and rage quitters. Sorry but there is little good I see in these changes. I challenge anyone to convince me these changes are good.
So the problem is not the game or its changes. is the people who play it.
@@jmtf1654 To a large degree yes, but making changes that will only exacerbate that behavior is on the developer.
EDIT: And all that aside, the changes just aren’t good as is. Losing 15 seconds on deaths as well as including that time penalty on top of forced tyrannical + fortified in higher already difficult keys is not conducive to maximizing M+ participation. If they go live with these changes, the vast majority of players will stop at key lvl 6 because 7+ will scare them off.
Imagine if they give the option to choose which affix we want and in return will give less vs more time on the timer/+- rewards etc.
After the arms buff we are so back, we packing that massive aoe stuns as well so let's gooooo!!! Colossus is back!
Monk For Life :)
I agree that the +7 affix might make people play more defensively (even paladins I hope) but I'm a bit worried that it could get really toxic in PUGs where people leave even sooner now when they see anyone die ... I hope I'm wrong though
I have nothing bad to say about this change. It is great, I'm very happy for it. They hit this one out of the park. If they can finish the beta strong by hitting the rest of the specs that need help this could end up really good.
It isn't good at all. No one on the beta is liking it. The orbs from Xal spawn in the mechanics and get people killed for it. The last boss of Grim Batol is a massive problem when this affix goes off during his intermission
If they remove key depletion it will be great right now the system is still problematic
Let’s go happy about this
Let's very happy man!
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"Not timing the key" lol, you ain't gonna finish the key if one wipe happens because toxic players just leave. This affix just gives them even more reason to just leave a key.
sounds good. warrior might want to take fear and shockwave for those orbs. do we even have fear and sockwave in WW tho?
Can you do a video reviewing the new survival hunter? With the heavy rework and talent changes and even more after the newest beta build, I am very interested to see your opinions.
Holy pally another hall of fame comming actually beginning to be a fun class again
What would be a good class for a new player to get into/learn M+? the player likes warlock and shaman.
Steer them away from both tbh. Shaman is just depressing regardless of spec. Lock will be forced into just one subspec regardless of how the other two look.
Mage, hunter and shadow priest are safe choices if said friend wants to be at range.
I really like sp while leveling but I keep seeing that it is really really not fun on anything m+ below like 18+ keys?
Cliche as it is tell them to pick whatever class/spec they enjoy playing the most. People are far more likely to learn something they really enjoy compared to learning something they don't.
Hmm lock shadowfury might be good
definetly worth the aoe stun
Please make a healer pvp/pve tier for war within
is 12 the new max ilvl cache then?
We don't know yet, they will likely tune rewards based on key difficulty
+10 still have affixes
Nice video, but WTF was that Void Drake doing hit kill? O.o
hopefully more loot. Doing 30+ runs and getting so little loot is frustrating for a game that we pay for.
When the orbs drop comes xalatath out and say something or lough? 😅 would be cool like bwonsamdi in bfa 😂
Makes you wonder if they had this all planned and were just fucking with us over those troll affixes last week lol
Blizzard was like we gonna ruin M+ with keeping the worst and adding bad affixes to it and then went like haha jokes we gonna make it better than you could have imagined 😂 Love it
You get a like for that kiss/curse dating joke alone xD
So any spec that has no AOE cc will be non-meta. Great. I guess I won't be playing enha and surv this expansion either.
amazing editing, rather than just reading a blue post
Can I ask a dumb question? If you want all the variety of a +9 but with higher challenge, why not do it with worse gear? Would anyone want to watch high-end gamers playing a +9 with Explorer gear?
The extra penalty on death is going to be horrible for people who pug alot, and make groups even more toxic. I think itvis naive to think that people will just suddenly play better.
just happy that volcanic is gone
Just take away key depletion and players will be more than willing to play even with shitty affixes. This way you can also try new things (affixes etc) without having extreme backlash from people who feel like a harder affix is a waste of their time
I think you're take on having both fortified and tyrannical on 10+ is way off base. I have the opposite opinion that both parties win with this change. So you, and people you described who do not push high keys will still have one or the other rotating weekly for the highest gear reward, and the people who do push high keys only do not like these affixes because they mess with score and make some weeks worse than others. You said it yourself, Tyrannical and Fortified are irrelevant when you always have both active, it's just a scaling multiplier. Yea they could remove them but they want to increase difficulty. It's for the pushers who want the challenge and seasonal progression through key levels.
Anyone pushing 12 or higher, will have the exact same experience in each dungeon, every single week, for the whole season. That is the highlighted point. No more push weeks, no more dead weeks.
Did you say 1% anything increase? Why even bother !? 😜
Nice.... Retail.... Fun...
Anyways.
I think you Guys are missusing the word "Rework" - they removed and changed some parts, but its not a rework
"They've listened to feedback"
And still no Shaman news until next week? That's not listening, my guy.
As a person who routinely pushes high keys i dont really like this change imo, m+ felt really refreshing ever since it started especially with varying affixes and yes some affixes are worse than others but i play m+ because its one of the few pieces of end game content that feels like it actually changes yknow, raids are always the most fun until youve run it all the way up to mythic or heroic for some guilds and put it on farm then its just the same fights same thing over and over(pls make raid affixes blizz), while m+ dungeons are some of the most fun for me and my guildies as you are forced to take a dungeon in a new way, new pulls, changing talents ,etc. Having the same affixes throughout the ENTIRE season just because a handful of high performance pros only want to puish certain affix combinations is really unfair to those that liked the variation, now pushing high keys just sounds boring as hell. like we are never going to be the #1 competitive spot on our server or leader boards because thats taken up by people who make this stuff their job we may be in the top yknow 30ish on our server but theres nothing to really be gained there and the desire to push will be totally killed really early in the season i feel imo as whats the point in going for super high keys and the challenge after a certain point cause its not going to change at all and itll be just like raids where eventually youre just putting shit on farm and leaving it.
Boring part about this: if you're above 12, literally nothing changes the whole season
I rather have it that way than get BS weeks and push weeks.
But this will be only BS weeks now xd tyran is suck, but with forti is more sucker, and now we have a +20% hp and dmg buff on all enemys (thrash&boss) its a fcking bullshit xddd
Kiss-curse is wonderful, but please do not tie it up to AoE stops.. We are trying to get AWAY from that meta. Not doubling down on it!
Keep tyrannical and fortified, and do away with all the other affixes. Honestly, I dont think I know anyone in game that finds affixes fun. Theyre annoying and tedious, and the new ones will end up the same. It was a good run, but the affix system is getting dated imho.
Yeah I think we need difficulty progression like in portals in d3
there always needs to be a challenge otherwise it's free loot, but agree, maybe we need a more up to date version of it instead of affixes
I've played since the beginning and was happy when m+ came out. I did challenge modes when they were a thing, it tickles my competitive nature. Furthermore, I like affixes, and many people I know do too. This is going to be Heroic plus I fear, and for a lot of people, it takes the fun out.
Without affixes you will be bored after 2 weeks and you will start complain.
Well these are nothing new and I haven't been playing WOW for half a year now.
I have a different view of the new affix, I do not like when you get an affix that you have to interact with and that takes you out of the focus you have on the fight and your rotation. A lot of pug groups are too braindead to bring skills to counter those affixes and it becomes hell to interrupt the specific target you want when you start making really big pulls
no one wants timed keys
Please remove Afflicted!!!!!!
they did it already no?
@@MarcelianOnline No! I just cleansed spirits two weeks ago. I'm the #2 healer on my server and doing high keys with lazy people.
Great.. being forced to play the same exact affixes every single dungeon because i dont do low keys... this shit is sadly the worst ive ever seen for the health of M+. I wont play 4 weeks that i'll be bored or wont have anything more to do.
Stay small
Oh no... you poor soul 😢
Can never make people happy :D
@@MarcelianOnline they could have by simply fixing the affixes that were problematic if you ask me.
Cap healing of sanguine
Cap the stacks of bursting
Cap the stacks of bolstering
@@needysleddog8724 sure kid 👍
imagine crying a about affixs adding difficulty, like they are meant to make key easier, i rather say thay we are moving away from old affixs just so we dont get stuck in the same game style
Can I ask a dumb question? If you want all the variety of a +9 but with higher challenge, why not do it with worse gear? Would anyone want to watch high-end gamers playing a +9 with Explorer gear?
The challenge to a viewer needs to be visible and not assumed, in a sense
Also eliminates the desire to upgrade gear. Not proactive. Not much will change overtime which will lead to it feeling like a dead mode once the absolute perfect route is done and perfected.