As a materials science engineer (undergrad and masters degree) that had dealt with CVD growing carbon nano materials and with a strong background in geology, mineralogy and optical mineralogy (and I did had an A for my engineering ethics). I’ll go with the lab grown diamonds any day 💎 😊
@luke184lisa Moissanite is its own gem. The discovery by Henri Moissan in a meteorite led to the synthesis of the mineral Silicon Carbide. (SiC) Diamonds are carbon😊 I have both. Moissanite is fiery, full of beautiful color, and has over 2.5 x light dispersion than diamond. An excellent cut, colorless, 2+ carat HPHT LGD is an achievable dream. I will say that the fire, brilliance, and color of Moissanite had me spoiled before I received my LGD🤩
My husband just bought me a 2 carats lab diamond, and you are very correct it’s not about money or investment it’s the emotions that goes with it. He was very happy every time he see me wearing the ring❤️
My husband proposed to me with a 3.5 carat lab Diamond. We love it. I get compliments on it everywhere we go and I wouldn’t trade it for anything (maybe a bigger lab Diamond someday) lol. It’s funny to me when people incorrectly think lab diamonds are “synthetic” - that’s like saying a baby grown in a lab isn’t a baby when it’s all said and done. They absolutely are.
Lab diamonds are synthetic, because they are synthesized through chemical synthesis. Natural diamonds are also synthetic, but they were synthesized naturally through the effects of gravity (heat and pressure). Definition of synthesis: a : the composition or combination of parts or elements so as to form a whole b : the production of a substance by the union of chemical elements, groups, or simpler compounds or by the degradation of a complex compound c : the combining of often diverse conceptions into a coherent whole also : the complex so formed
@@mikehawk1441 I know. But in the diamond world, synthesized diamond means something that looks like a diamond, but has different chemical properties. Like moissanite. On the other hand, lab created diamonds are of the same chemical composition as raw diamonds.
We went with a lab grown for my wife's 10th anniversary present. 100% no brainer. It's 4x less the money for the exact same thing. Or for the same price you get so much more diamond! It's such a crazy thing thinking diamonds are an investment, minded or lab grown. Investments should gain value over time. I asked 4 different jewelry stores how much they would buy a diamond ring back for and they all offered 50% of the original retail price.
I think it's fantastic. Considering the mining conditions is South Africa I'd go with the lab diamond. I've seen the drop in pricing and that's great. All round lab diamonds is a great option and it is beautiful.
I think I would differ. The whole point of the diamond business is rarity. Natural diamonds are rarer (can be debated) than the lab grown ones. So naturally, it will be expensive. Its like buying an authentic Rembrant and a oil color printed version of Rembrant. To the eyes and quality, it seems same and its artistic value is the same as well. But one would wonder, why someone pays millions for an authentic Rembrant and just a few bucks for the printed version?
@@nabinkarna7365 Art is different. It is like comparing apples and paintings. But the diamond business.... You mean like the jewelry, gem quality diamond. The entire diamond business as a whole has a lot to do with industrial grade diamonds. That is where lab diamonds really shine. BTW sadly, about art... It comes to blue chip art... And people only pay your millions for your Rembrandt with a "d" because it is an investment to them, nothing more. Rich fools drive up the prices just to have items that have perceived value. Then when they get old they can auction it off at Christies
Finally, great video! You did an excellent job, keeping it simple for just about anyone not familiar with diamonds to understand the difference between a mother, nature mind diamond, and a lab diamond, and or as I’d like to call them above ground diamonds. I’ve been in the retail jewelry business for 25 years and I when these first hit the market , I thought that it was the end of this industry! And now, it is the strongest part of my business. It’s about 95% of my bridal clients and they are thrilled with the price and of course they are gorgeous , just like mother nature makes. Thank you again and all the best to you!
So nice to see someone say Diamonds are NOT an investment. This is absolutely true for a VAST majority of Engagement ring buyers. Regardless of whether it's a Lab or Mined diamond, you will Absolutely lose money trying to re-sell. And IMO it will be at LEAST a 50% loss for a mined diamond...usually it's closer to a 60-75% loss. And for a Lab diamond, retailers say there is no value in them whatsoever, and therefore no market for them. All lies, A jeweler/retailer will absolutely tell you your lab diamond is worth nothing, and just try to pay you for the metal...Then turn around sell that Lab diamond for as close to Lab market value or above if he/she can get it. ESPECIALLY if the diamond is a well cut certified Lab diamond with paperwork.
This is true because for ethical reasons I only buy vintage jewelry and the discount is AMAZING. I save about 60% on average going pre owned. Now that lab diamonds are readily available often in recycled medals Im happy to get new jewelry. Very happy.
Lol no. One is synthetic, one is natural. Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more synthetic /sɪnˈθɛtɪk/ adjective adjective: synthetic 1. (of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product. "synthetic rubber" (of an emotion or action) not genuine; insincere. "their tears are a bit synthetic" If humans made them, through processes in a lab, they're synthetic. Ambergis and ambroxan is another example; one is made in the intestines of a sperm whale, the other is made in a lab by humans of course. Perfume with ambroxan is cheaper than perfume with ambergis by about 60% A lab grown diamond is not real diamond.
You may think it like this, earth grown diamonds are the ice you can find on the mountains and lab diamonds are the ice you can make in your refrigerator
The value of diamonds is completely artificial- like that’s true to an extent with most things, but it’s especially true for diamonds- they aren’t really rare, they can be made in a lab, and unless you’re using it for cutting things, it has no purpose but to be pretty AND LAB GROWN DIAMONDS ARE PRETTY They do literally the only thing diamonds are good for so what is the problem with them??
I’m looking to get engaged here soon and this is the first video I’ve seen of yours and by far the best info. Wish me luck on getting the best bang for my buck on the lab grown side
wouldn’t the extra supply of lab diamonds, and ongoing optimization of their manufacture, eventually make the initial purchase of the lab diamond go down in value? I honestly would not care. I view my ring as a beautiful piece of jewelry. I’m not looking for an investment piece. Whether my stone came from a bubblegum vending machine or a volcano mine in Antarctica, I appreciate its beauty and enjoy wearing it 🥰
Thanks for the comment. They control the supply. And they control the price points. They will always be priced strategically with natural diamonds. Going cheaper will kill their profits. Makes no business sense.
@@OsirisDiamonds but sir,, if one rich man goes mad and start making huge supply & sale at low price he will not lose,, he will earn profit by selling but will end lab grown dominance xi jingping , north korea , elon mask who knows when they go mad to take on lab grown
@@davidc4946 Historically it has been steady. And they will need to protect their investments. So far this year prices have gone up. I can't imagine a diamond price crash. that doesn't mean lab diamond will crash as well. They need to profit if that makes sense.
Osiris, thank you very much for this very valuable informations about diamonds! What you're doing is more valuable than your subject. God bless you, Osiris!
I'm finding this video a little late. I recent upgraded my original enagment ring after 18 years with a larger 1.5 C lab diamond. it is Flawless and beautiful. The natural diamond of the same quality was $$$$. I rather put that extra money into something else. None of my family or friends can tell the difference. I do not need it as an "investment"..I';; do that with an investment portfolio. Great video.
Totally agree with what you said here! PREACH! 👐🏻 Lab grown diamonds are just as beautiful and they make sense financially speaking. My engagement ring from Karaters is a show-stopper and it's one of the best decisions I've made in my life. Now I have a beauiful ring and extra cash that we could put towards the house reno.
My husband and I bought a ring and weren’t thinking about lab grown or mined until we went to another store and they said their diamonds are not lab grown. The prices in their store are more expensive. I didn’t ask if what I bought is lab grown or not but because of the price, then it probably is. Tbh, I now prefer lab diamonds because of what I know about blood diamonds.
I bought a 1.19 carat diamond with 32 diamonds surrounding it in a halo for my fiancee. We discussed real and lab grown diamonds before and she said she wanted a lab grown. Mined diamonds would've made the ring between £10 - 15k as each diamond was very high quality and clarity. I paid a fifth of that and the ring is identical to a mined one, and absolutely stunning. Thank God for lab grown diamonds. Now we have the ring of her dreams and a bunch of cash to put towards our life together. Can't recommend lab grown enough
Your refreshingly accurate. You did not discuss the pitfalls of resale of created diamonds. Many over the counter diamond buyers try to rip off customers telling them there is no value in the secondary market when the percentages are the same if they are honest. We repurchase them at the same percentage below cost as mined diamonds. We can not however make up for overcharged purchases they made. Fellow GIA grad
Great video. I’m a natural stone collector. People want to buy d e f vvs if labs. They want diamonds that look like diamonds and at better quality ags 0 light performance. Me I like vanadium green chrysoberyls with red flashes, borderline alexandrite. If people want resale value then I always say buy “gold” even natural stones when sold by a consumer get maybe 30 percent of what they payed. Like all things.
High Supply of Lab Grown Diamonds, Low Cost, Heavy Marketing and huge profit margin to the retailers (big plus point to the retailer), are one of the reasons why Lab Grown are getting their name in the market.
I love lab and moissanite diamonds. Thats why I have so many rings earrings bracelets and necklaces diamond 💎 but resale diamonds that are real is better. If you want to pawn
Been in the diamond industry for 20+ years. Diamonds should NOT be looked at as an investment… in the sense that it will increase in value. It’s an emotional purchase. I moved to selling lab grown 10 years ago before all the big stores started selling them… when they used to have gray tones. They’ve come a long way in quality since those days. One thing to mention about HPHT, they don’t always test as diamond on a diamond tester.. which can make it difficult to sell to a customer who’s on the fence. Great video!
Thank you, I was looking for this comment. I went ahead and got a CVD, two jewelers have mentioned to me that they prefer CVD as it is pure 100% carbon and if we can control the process, why not?
@@Bonezz024 from what I understand it has to do with the amount on boron in the hpht diamond. This was an issue a few years ago, however not sure if it’s still a problem. Id check with the diamond manufacturer to see what changes have been made.
Agree, it shouldn't be considered. But many find it important. People consider these investments and rare. Its a rude awaking and many dont like it. But thats with anything retail.
I’m currently getting a lab grown diamond ring custom made by someone after doing a lot of research and then finding a stone and after going to a jewelry store and seeing how they push what they actually referred to as “real” (meaning natural” diamonds and then slipping and calling lab grown fake, it cemented that I’m going lab grown and custom from now own and maybe never going back in a store for anything other than a much smaller purchase. The attitude and markup anyway, even in small family owned stores, is insane. The look on their face when I casually mentioned the makeup of lab vs natural diamonds was priceless 😅
Yes agree with diamonds losing value. My husband and I spent a small fortune on my ring. Fast forward ten years later I watched the blood diamond movie and didn’t want anything diamond and resold it. Not only did it take a long time to sell I lost 60% of my retail purchase price.
Watched many videos over the last few months and just got a wonderful lab diamond and it's beautiful! A VVS2, Ideal cut, E color, and 1.11 carats and its wonderful and got it for a great price! Thanks for the info!
I bought 1.00 ct lab grown diamond with IGI certified. E color, ideal cut, VS1 only $1000. It tests diamond, it looks beautiful as a diamond. I save a lot of money. If you buy natural diamond for the same range may be you pay around $8000 dollars when you sell it back you will lose at least 35-40% from what you purchased. So, what is the deal for natural diamond?
Mostly all diamonds you buy will be worth a fraction when you sell them. Stones under 0,50 carat are included in the scrapgold weight price of the Jewel. Only the real big stones can make chance to be sold for a reasonable price.
What do you recommend for people not infected with diamond hype? What's the best materialism alternative for men buy so the woman that may or may not divorce them (flip a coin probability) can flex to other women and the public in general? Some elaborate face tattoo that says "I love John"?
Haha I say Lab diamonds. In the end, buy something your significant other is comfortable with. Our views dont always align with theirs. My wife loves large stones, I love small ones lol.
Iam looking to buy a 1.54 carrot color d vs1 for about 6 grand including the setting I hope she doesn’t get mad it’s lab I’m worried can’t afford to buy the standard one which would cost 17k plus
Thanks for your comment Gladys. Appraisals are always double the value of purchase price or current value. There is a massive difference between worth, appraisals and resell price. Appraisals are used simply for insurance companies to charge you a premium for coverage. If I buy a ring today for 10,000. I will get an appraisal for 20,000.
Tell your love your ring is 2.66 carat diamond real and your 4 carat earrings diamonds are lab and the two weeks trip to Europe is the saving..she'll love it...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu
I must agree, mostly in this case and primarily because the context of this discussion is about Diamond Jewelry. While I do agree with you for the most part that Diamond Jewelry is not a very solid Monetary Investment because as wearable items, they’re Emotional Investments, not only when purchased for loved ones but also when purchased for one’s own self as an Boastful Expression of personal success in the economy. I still disagree with parts of your take on Monetary Valuation in regard to Lab-Grown vs. Earth-Mined specimen. Let’s not say that what you’ve explained is wrong, rather that it is incomplete and exclusionary. Now, let’s add the concept Collateral Leverage to the equation and incorporate the understanding that when discussing the Worth/Value of any AIV one should never exclude opportunities or risks inasmuch as the future remains indeterminate until it is reached. When determining valuing AIVs it is important to remember that what we’re attempting to do is Determine the Indeterminable to reach a final sum Probability Rate of Return and for that reason it becomes as important to discuss more than just Resale Value in cases of Emergency, which we can refer to as the risk and also include the Appraisal Value in cases of Leveraged Collateral, which we can refer to as the opportunity. Bottom line here is that if you’re prudent in evaluating your investment opportunities you can chose to purchase anything worthy of an Appraisal and Collateralize the Value for the purchase or making further investments and Lab-Grown Diamonds will not be Appraised to be as Valuable as ones which were Earth-Mined. I still agree with what you’ve said, but not with what you’ve concluded based on what you’ve omitted within the context of that narrative.
Look i had a client who worked for Rio tinto , he was part of a team that were studying lab diamonds and its repercussions ...lets just say thereafter , rio tinto stopped mining argyle , thats what everyone knows ....lets just say his own superior told him to spend very little money on his natural diamond ( at that point in time , lab wasnt so cheap yet ) , and lets just say what their study concluded ? that lab diamonds and natural prices will converge at some point . look in 2022 , i sold only 1 natural out of 99 . when i show a client that a 0.50ct still costs more than a 1ct lab diamond of superior colour and clarity , they know how to choose , mankind aint stupid .
If you take a bottle and leave it outside on the cold and it freezes or you take the same bottle and put it in the freezer inside...is there any difference...Debeers is not happy, but they have made enough money
I’m so glad I came across this video. I’m about to buy my wife another ring an the store I always by diamonds from has a one carat ring for 3500.00. They have a 2.5 carat ring for 8500.00. I love there prices an as long as it looks good we’re good.
Why would the resale value be dependent on the price you paid? An example you stated for one carat diamond the cut and clarity and size was the exact same? Thanks for taking my question.
If there is a clarity enhancement, some methods fall apart in high heat. Like if you were going to re-polish your gold ring/re-dip it for luster. Color enhancement shouldn't be effected the same way as clarity enhancement.
But hpht diamonds when tested with a diamond tester does not say it is a diamond while cvd is same as natural ones - I got confused by your statement that hpht is better than cvd diamonds can you pls clarify on this topic a bit more
I think he said this because they have better color. I heard CVD can be brownish. Sometimes CVD diamonds are later treated with HPHT process for color correction.
Most consumer diamonds (earth grown) that are purchased aren’t going to hold their value with the onset of lag grown diamonds. They don’t even hold their value now. Unless you want to drop 40k on a massive rock as an investment the you won’t ever get a price increase when you sell your diamond.
You are correct, this is not a monetary investment. Honestly, they never held their value even before lab diamonds arrived. Pawn shops and jewelers loved when diamond sellers came around because they made massive profits. Maybe people got back 25% of their original purchase. Tale as old as time.
93% of diamonds now come from India, I just bought 22 carat diamond round earring studs solitaire, for $7.97 free shipping that's $2 per carat, I had two women who work in jewelry stores look at the diamonds, they said 2 years ago those would sell for $2,000
Let's say in 50 - 100 years, there are lots of diamond jewelery in the secondary with lack of provenance for either the jewelery or the diamonds on it. Is there any way to tell whether it was natural or lab grown? I suspect the answer is that it's not possible...
Hi Jade. Well most serious vendors sell goods that are certified. And you should only buy goods that are certified. There will be a microscopic laser inscribed code on the side of the diamond that will say its origin.
I got mine in Brilliance, best prices, and we looked and compared for hours!!! the video they show for each stone is very good and they even let you see the certificate and details online as you shop. I liked the experience.
Thanks for the comment. I don't see how machines that cost millions to purchase makes a lab diamond take 36 bucks to make. Do you mean a CZ diamond? Lab diamonds as a process is an expensive endeavor yet much cheaper than mining.
Natural diamond prices are actually manipulated upwards by the big suppliers. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that diamond prices in general will drop.
I’m mad. HPHT Are coming up over and over on the internet as moissanite. Yet the CVD comes up as diamond on a tester . I’ve just purchased a HPHT 😢 why would pay when it’s not gonna show as a diamond on a tester . Any insight on this please ? P.s I haven’t received it yet , only just ordered it
I am unsure on the percent of diamonds this is happening too. Might be the quality of tester as well. Apparently it can be due to the thermal conductivity of the diamond and HTHP can cause a misreading. You know you are buying a certified lab diamond, what are the odds of someone testing your diamond. I understand your concern but I also wouldn't be too concerned either.
@@OsirisDiamonds i believe it has to do with the trace elements trapped in the diamond. I read that natural blue diamonds also won't show up as diamonds on those cheap testers.
Quick question. I found a source for VVS2 E color 3 carat round cut Diamond for about 700 each. Pairing that with a 14k solid gold ring puts me at $1300 total. Do you think you could resale that for profit?
I mean CZ is not comparable. I suppose one can say buy CZ instead of a diamond. Looks similar right. Lab is chemically and optically the same as natural. CZ is not. Buy silver instead of gold, looks the same right?
Your videos are so helpful. I ended up buying lab grown diamond .5 ctw for my second hole (ear) from JA. I eventually will buy 1.5 ctw for my first hole. I always loved diamond stud earrings and your videos has helped a lot. Question: what is your perspective of gold, it's value over long term?
Happy to hear my videos have been helpful. There are large chats about this topic. Gold is seen as a very long term investment. But more from the pure gold bullion buying. Not retail products as they always have a markup. Like a gold chain has the value of gold to make it plus the retail value of it being hand made. So it can be triple the price of the value of gold.
Would you say Middle-Eastern gold is a great investment? I noticed gold in America or Europe, mostly sell 14k or 18k but quality is different than Arab countries' gold. I understand that it can be due to mixing the raw medals to the gold, using high quality vs low rated medals.
Gold,no matter what origin, will be priced to its value weather it’s 14 karat 10 karat 18 karat or 24 karat the value will always be the same. The only difference is you will be paid out a different price point depending the karat. If one ounce of pure 24 karat gold is valued at $1800 you will not be receiving that value if you bring a diluted 10k gold chain.
I'm in Malaysia at the moment, and over here, the gold shops have the current gold price listed on the wall. When you buy something, they basically weigh it and charge you that price plus a designer's fee, which is usually pretty low. But if you go to the jewellers in the mall, they just have a price for the item, so I assume there's a much bigger markup compared to the price of the gold itself.
As a materials science engineer (undergrad and masters degree) that had dealt with CVD growing carbon nano materials and with a strong background in geology, mineralogy and optical mineralogy (and I did had an A for my engineering ethics).
I’ll go with the lab grown diamonds any day 💎 😊
Clearly a smart guy Ben 💪🏼😎 I concur!
Thanks soooo much for sharing your background and your “take” on lab diamonds. Are Moissanite lab created diamonds?
@luke184lisa Moissanite is its own gem. The discovery by Henri Moissan in a meteorite led to the synthesis of the mineral Silicon Carbide. (SiC) Diamonds are carbon😊
I have both. Moissanite is fiery, full of beautiful color, and has over 2.5 x light dispersion than diamond.
An excellent cut, colorless, 2+ carat HPHT LGD is an achievable dream.
I will say that the fire, brilliance, and color of Moissanite had me spoiled before I received my LGD🤩
@bend6282 I cannot “Thank you” enough! Your resume is through the ROOF! I believe you!… let me say it again… I BELIEVE YOU GENIUS! 💍💎
A funny analogy I've heard was "is the ice in your freezer trays 'real' ice (vs the ones outside)??" 😁
My husband just bought me a 2 carats lab diamond, and you are very correct it’s not about money or investment it’s the emotions that goes with it. He was very happy every time he see me wearing the ring❤️
U didn’t say u were happy
I'm on the fence of getting some 2ct princess cut labs for 700$ i bought some 1.67 CT princess cut studs for 1800$ natural years ago i wanna upgrade
My husband proposed to me with a 3.5 carat lab Diamond. We love it. I get compliments on it everywhere we go and I wouldn’t trade it for anything (maybe a bigger lab Diamond someday) lol. It’s funny to me when people incorrectly think lab diamonds are “synthetic” - that’s like saying a baby grown in a lab isn’t a baby when it’s all said and done. They absolutely are.
Love it!! Glad you are happy!
Lab diamonds are synthetic, because they are synthesized through chemical synthesis. Natural diamonds are also synthetic, but they were synthesized naturally through the effects of gravity (heat and pressure).
Definition of synthesis:
a
: the composition or combination of parts or elements so as to form a whole
b
: the production of a substance by the union of chemical elements, groups, or simpler compounds or by the degradation of a complex compound
c
: the combining of often diverse conceptions into a coherent whole
also : the complex so formed
@@mikehawk1441 I know. But in the diamond world, synthesized diamond means something that looks like a diamond, but has different chemical properties. Like moissanite.
On the other hand, lab created diamonds are of the same chemical composition as raw diamonds.
We went with a lab grown for my wife's 10th anniversary present. 100% no brainer. It's 4x less the money for the exact same thing. Or for the same price you get so much more diamond! It's such a crazy thing thinking diamonds are an investment, minded or lab grown. Investments should gain value over time. I asked 4 different jewelry stores how much they would buy a diamond ring back for and they all offered 50% of the original retail price.
They’re investment at the whole sale level. You know the guys in the chain that applies 100x mark up? 😂
Diamonds are as common as it can be. You pay for the scam Knowingly…that’s all. Lab diamonds is what it is, and they are 100% real diamonds.
It's not the same thing, lab grown is next gen cubic zirconia, that's all. Watch where the price goes in two years, you'll be kicking yourself
@@bojest8646 cubic zirconia is zirconium dioxide and lab grown diamonds are the same molecular carbon under pressure structure.
@@RobinMoonshine that's the very reason the price will plummet to under a hundred $ per carat at the wholesale level
I think it's fantastic. Considering the mining conditions is South Africa I'd go with the lab diamond. I've seen the drop in pricing and that's great. All round lab diamonds is a great option and it is beautiful.
I agree 100%
I think I would differ. The whole point of the diamond business is rarity. Natural diamonds are rarer (can be debated) than the lab grown ones. So naturally, it will be expensive. Its like buying an authentic Rembrant and a oil color printed version of Rembrant. To the eyes and quality, it seems same and its artistic value is the same as well. But one would wonder, why someone pays millions for an authentic Rembrant and just a few bucks for the printed version?
@@nabinkarna7365 Art is different. It is like comparing apples and paintings.
But the diamond business.... You mean like the jewelry, gem quality diamond. The entire diamond business as a whole has a lot to do with industrial grade diamonds. That is where lab diamonds really shine.
BTW sadly, about art... It comes to blue chip art... And people only pay your millions for your Rembrandt with a "d" because it is an investment to them, nothing more. Rich fools drive up the prices just to have items that have perceived value. Then when they get old they can auction it off at Christies
@@nabinkarna7365 no natural diamonds are not that rare the prices are high beacause one family owns the market
Blood diamonds are the biggest reason to go lab.
I really like how you talk to us normal people who dont have a clue is such a clear and easy way for us to understand. Thank you
You learn something new every day. I’ve never heard of a diamond that’s grown in a laboratory.
Hi George, oh yes! and its just and good as natural diamonds.
In the end natural diamonds are unethical and people have made millions off the suffering of others for a piece of stone.
This is true and can be said about many industries.
@@OsirisDiamonds good reply brotha.
So are iPhones
Such BS,don’t buy one if your that warped.
@@janahogan8878 we won't trust me
Finally, great video!
You did an excellent job, keeping it simple for just about anyone not familiar with diamonds to understand the difference between a mother, nature mind diamond, and a lab diamond, and or as I’d like to call them above ground diamonds.
I’ve been in the retail jewelry business for 25 years and I when these first hit the market , I thought that it was the end of this industry! And now, it is the strongest part of my business. It’s about 95% of my bridal clients and they are thrilled with the price and of course they are gorgeous , just like mother nature makes.
Thank you again and all the best to you!
So nice to see someone say Diamonds are NOT an investment. This is absolutely true for a VAST majority of Engagement ring buyers. Regardless of whether it's a Lab or Mined diamond, you will Absolutely lose money trying to re-sell. And IMO it will be at LEAST a 50% loss for a mined diamond...usually it's closer to a 60-75% loss. And for a Lab diamond, retailers say there is no value in them whatsoever, and therefore no market for them. All lies, A jeweler/retailer will absolutely tell you your lab diamond is worth nothing, and just try to pay you for the metal...Then turn around sell that Lab diamond for as close to Lab market value or above if he/she can get it. ESPECIALLY if the diamond is a well cut certified Lab diamond with paperwork.
👏🏼 1000% agree. well said Steve!
This is true because for ethical reasons I only buy vintage jewelry and the discount is AMAZING. I save about 60% on average going pre owned. Now that lab diamonds are readily available often in recycled medals Im happy to get new jewelry. Very happy.
@@MyLifeInTheDesert love vintage jewelry and that’s a great way to save. Yes labs bring in a new level of value.
A Lab grown diamond is a real diamond. The only difference is that one is made by nature, the other man. But both are real.
Lol no. One is synthetic, one is natural.
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synthetic
/sɪnˈθɛtɪk/
adjective
adjective: synthetic
1.
(of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product.
"synthetic rubber"
(of an emotion or action) not genuine; insincere.
"their tears are a bit synthetic"
If humans made them, through processes in a lab, they're synthetic.
Ambergis and ambroxan is another example; one is made in the intestines of a sperm whale, the other is made in a lab by humans of course. Perfume with ambroxan is cheaper than perfume with ambergis by about 60%
A lab grown diamond is not real diamond.
@user-bn6lm8ng3v 100% I don't understand how people do not understand this. The lab growers are Brainwashing at is best.
I have had an obsession since I was a young girl.. so much that I also studied at the GIA for fun. I absolutely love your channel!!
Awesome! Thank you! No way thats awesome! Have you ever worked in the field or considered selling?
I once worked in retail for a short period. I haven’t thought about it. Any thoughts?
You may think it like this, earth grown diamonds are the ice you can find on the mountains and lab diamonds are the ice you can make in your refrigerator
The value of diamonds is completely artificial- like that’s true to an extent with most things, but it’s especially true for diamonds- they aren’t really rare, they can be made in a lab, and unless you’re using it for cutting things, it has no purpose but to be pretty AND LAB GROWN DIAMONDS ARE PRETTY
They do literally the only thing diamonds are good for so what is the problem with them??
I’m looking to get engaged here soon and this is the first video I’ve seen of yours and by far the best info. Wish me luck on getting the best bang for my buck on the lab grown side
Go for it!
Osiris you're the man, I love your videos buddy. I will get engaged once every year just to have a reason to come watch your videos lol
Hahah thanks man 😝😝😝 made me chuckle
wouldn’t the extra supply of lab diamonds, and ongoing optimization of their manufacture, eventually make the initial purchase of the lab diamond go down in value?
I honestly would not care. I view my ring as a beautiful piece of jewelry. I’m not looking for an investment piece.
Whether my stone came from a bubblegum vending machine or a volcano mine in Antarctica, I appreciate its beauty and enjoy wearing it 🥰
Thanks for the comment. They control the supply. And they control the price points. They will always be priced strategically with natural diamonds. Going cheaper will kill their profits. Makes no business sense.
ahh I follow that logic. thanks for the response! I really enjoy your videos. Super informative and also entertaining to watch.
@@OsirisDiamonds but sir,, if one rich man goes mad and start making huge supply & sale at low price
he will not lose,, he will earn profit by selling but will end lab grown dominance
xi jingping , north korea , elon mask who knows when they go mad to take on lab grown
@@OsirisDiamonds what if demand for diamonds goes down with this new generation of people?
@@davidc4946 Historically it has been steady. And they will need to protect their investments. So far this year prices have gone up. I can't imagine a diamond price crash. that doesn't mean lab diamond will crash as well. They need to profit if that makes sense.
Osiris, thank you very much for this very valuable informations about diamonds! What you're doing is more valuable than your subject. God bless you, Osiris!
I'm finding this video a little late. I recent upgraded my original enagment ring after 18 years with a larger 1.5 C lab diamond. it is Flawless and beautiful. The natural diamond of the same quality was $$$$. I rather put that extra money into something else. None of my family or friends can tell the difference. I do not need it as an "investment"..I';; do that with an investment portfolio. Great video.
Thanks for sharing Suzette, Great job on going Lab.
Welcome back
Thanks bud. Good to be back.
Totally agree with what you said here! PREACH! 👐🏻 Lab grown diamonds are just as beautiful and they make sense financially speaking. My engagement ring from Karaters is a show-stopper and it's one of the best decisions I've made in my life. Now I have a beauiful ring and extra cash that we could put towards the house reno.
My husband and I bought a ring and weren’t thinking about lab grown or mined until we went to another store and they said their diamonds are not lab grown. The prices in their store are more expensive. I didn’t ask if what I bought is lab grown or not but because of the price, then it probably is. Tbh, I now prefer lab diamonds because of what I know about blood diamonds.
Conflict free and a quarter of the price. its a win win.
Very Nice video!! Very good thank for the video
Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Lab grown is definitely the way to go!
I bought a 1.19 carat diamond with 32 diamonds surrounding it in a halo for my fiancee. We discussed real and lab grown diamonds before and she said she wanted a lab grown. Mined diamonds would've made the ring between £10 - 15k as each diamond was very high quality and clarity. I paid a fifth of that and the ring is identical to a mined one, and absolutely stunning. Thank God for lab grown diamonds. Now we have the ring of her dreams and a bunch of cash to put towards our life together. Can't recommend lab grown enough
Congrats David, well played!
Hope you stay together lol
Where did you go if I may ask?
@sixdegrees2608 You bought real diamonds which are worthless lol Debeers fan
@@formula1555 I bought from Ingle & Rhode. I'm in the UK and they're in Canada so order well in advance if you need the diamond by a certain time
Your refreshingly accurate. You did not discuss the pitfalls of resale of created diamonds. Many over the counter diamond buyers try to rip off customers telling them there is no value in the secondary market when the percentages are the same if they are honest. We repurchase them at the same percentage below cost as mined diamonds. We can not however make up for overcharged purchases they made. Fellow GIA grad
I have a 3 carat real diamond & two three carat Lab grown! I love the lab grown & wear them when travelling!
I just love this guy. He just shut everybody up giving these facts.
lol
Great video. I’m a natural stone collector. People want to buy d e f vvs if labs. They want diamonds that look like diamonds and at better quality ags 0 light performance. Me I like vanadium green chrysoberyls with red flashes, borderline alexandrite. If people want resale value then I always say buy “gold” even natural stones when sold by a consumer get maybe 30 percent of what they payed. Like all things.
You are 100% right, gold is the investment move to make, not diamonds.
Good info bro. I prefer lab grown. I have both. I think the main point of contention is resale value. Which doesn't matter to most.
High Supply of Lab Grown Diamonds, Low Cost, Heavy Marketing and huge profit margin to the retailers (big plus point to the retailer), are one of the reasons why Lab Grown are getting their name in the market.
To the man/women who commented he dropped the mic 🎤 on you thank you! I love this man! Amazing information! Liked and subscribed
Thank you so much for the support and the kind words!
I love lab and moissanite diamonds. Thats why I have so many rings earrings bracelets and necklaces diamond 💎 but resale diamonds that are real is better. If you want to pawn
Thats awesome. Pawn shops give 20% of value off real diamonds. I wouldn't say thats a great selling point.
Been in the diamond industry for 20+ years. Diamonds should NOT be looked at as an investment… in the sense that it will increase in value. It’s an emotional purchase.
I moved to selling lab grown 10 years ago before all the big stores started selling them… when they used to have gray tones. They’ve come a long way in quality since those days.
One thing to mention about HPHT, they don’t always test as diamond on a diamond tester.. which can make it difficult to sell to a customer who’s on the fence. Great video!
Thank you, I was looking for this comment. I went ahead and got a CVD, two jewelers have mentioned to me that they prefer CVD as it is pure 100% carbon and if we can control the process, why not?
I agree with most of what you’ve said except the last part.
How would it be possible for Lab diamonds not to read as positive?
@@Bonezz024 from what I understand it has to do with the amount on boron in the hpht diamond. This was an issue a few years ago, however not sure if it’s still a problem. Id check with the diamond manufacturer to see what changes have been made.
There’s so many retailers recommending lab diamonds. The margins have to be incredible high if they’re pushing them.
They see the writing on the wall. There is a shift happening.
The greatest diamond video ever made!
Thank you brother!
Can you do some videos on coloured lab diamonds please? I’d love to know more about them too.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you.
I've never purchased natural or lab diamonds with the intent to sell them. Resale is nothing to me
Agree, it shouldn't be considered. But many find it important. People consider these investments and rare. Its a rude awaking and many dont like it. But thats with anything retail.
That’s the first thing that popped in my head too!!
A funny analogy I've heard was "is the ice in your freezer trays 'real' ice (vs the ones outside)??" 😁
I have both, and I really like that lab grown diamonds don’t have a history of oppression and mutilation.
10000% big plus
I’m currently getting a lab grown diamond ring custom made by someone after doing a lot of research and then finding a stone and after going to a jewelry store and seeing how they push what they actually referred to as “real” (meaning natural” diamonds and then slipping and calling lab grown fake, it cemented that I’m going lab grown and custom from now own and maybe never going back in a store for anything other than a much smaller purchase. The attitude and markup anyway, even in small family owned stores, is insane. The look on their face when I casually mentioned the makeup of lab vs natural diamonds was priceless 😅
Why do you prefer hpht over cvd? Just wondering. Love your videos!
Loved the explanation
Glad you liked it
Yes agree with diamonds losing value. My husband and I spent a small fortune on my ring. Fast forward ten years later I watched the blood diamond movie and didn’t want anything diamond and resold it. Not only did it take a long time to sell I lost 60% of my retail purchase price.
Very common. Sorry to hear you had a negative experience. Now lab diamond solve that issue.
5:24 high pressure high temperature better. Chemical vapor deposition is worse
Was not aware of the different methods to create lab diamonds.
Yes and many stones out there are CVD
Watched many videos over the last few months and just got a wonderful lab diamond and it's beautiful! A VVS2, Ideal cut, E color, and 1.11 carats and its wonderful and got it for a great price! Thanks for the info!
I bought 1.00 ct lab grown diamond with IGI certified. E color, ideal cut, VS1 only $1000. It tests diamond, it looks beautiful as a diamond. I save a lot of money. If you buy natural diamond for the same range may be you pay around $8000 dollars when you sell it back you will lose at least 35-40% from what you purchased. So, what is the deal for natural diamond?
Mostly all diamonds you buy will be worth a fraction when you sell them.
Stones under 0,50 carat are included in the scrapgold weight price of the Jewel.
Only the real big stones can make chance to be sold for a reasonable price.
So long as they are not grown in labs in Israel, lab diamonds are "KOSHER"
MY MAN HAHA thats right
Great video and guide! Have any tips for lab grown canary yellow diamond shopping?
Thank you. I would use my guide on my site and just apply settings to fancy color
What do you recommend for people not infected with diamond hype? What's the best materialism alternative for men buy so the woman that may or may not divorce them (flip a coin probability) can flex to other women and the public in general? Some elaborate face tattoo that says "I love John"?
Haha I say Lab diamonds. In the end, buy something your significant other is comfortable with. Our views dont always align with theirs. My wife loves large stones, I love small ones lol.
Great post!
Thanks Jake
Thank you for your videos!
Iam looking to buy a 1.54 carrot color d vs1 for about 6 grand including the setting I hope she doesn’t get mad it’s lab I’m worried can’t afford to buy the standard one which would cost 17k plus
Boy, put that fucking drink down and take a deep breath.
I have purchased diamond studs from Tiffany’s 25 years ago I had them appraised two years they have doubled in price
Thanks for your comment Gladys. Appraisals are always double the value of purchase price or current value. There is a massive difference between worth, appraisals and resell price. Appraisals are used simply for insurance companies to charge you a premium for coverage. If I buy a ring today for 10,000. I will get an appraisal for 20,000.
@@OsirisDiamonds makes sense
Amazing thanks for giving me your professional answer !
You are welcome
All natural mined diamonds are priced in the trade using rapaport list and second hand or new is the same
That is correct Paul.
If you see the science of lab it's basically a turbo speed process for diamonds instead of the old digging way and all other affects. Lab all day.
Tell your love your ring is 2.66 carat diamond real and your 4 carat earrings diamonds are lab and the two weeks trip to Europe is the saving..she'll love it...yours very truly Alfonso Cantu
I must agree, mostly in this case and primarily because the context of this discussion is about Diamond Jewelry.
While I do agree with you for the most part that Diamond Jewelry is not a very solid Monetary Investment because as wearable items, they’re Emotional Investments, not only when purchased for loved ones but also when purchased for one’s own self as an Boastful Expression of personal success in the economy.
I still disagree with parts of your take on Monetary Valuation in regard to Lab-Grown vs. Earth-Mined specimen. Let’s not say that what you’ve explained is wrong, rather that it is incomplete and exclusionary.
Now, let’s add the concept Collateral Leverage to the equation and incorporate the understanding that when discussing the Worth/Value of any AIV one should never exclude opportunities or risks inasmuch as the future remains indeterminate until it is reached.
When determining valuing AIVs it is important to remember that what we’re attempting to do is Determine the Indeterminable to reach a final sum Probability Rate of Return and for that reason it becomes as important to discuss more than just Resale Value in cases of Emergency, which we can refer to as the risk and also include the Appraisal Value in cases of Leveraged Collateral, which we can refer to as the opportunity.
Bottom line here is that if you’re prudent in evaluating your investment opportunities you can chose to purchase anything worthy of an Appraisal and Collateralize the Value for the purchase or making further investments and Lab-Grown Diamonds will not be Appraised to be as Valuable as ones which were Earth-Mined.
I still agree with what you’ve said, but not with what you’ve concluded based on what you’ve omitted within the context of that narrative.
Look i had a client who worked for Rio tinto , he was part of a team that were studying lab diamonds and its repercussions ...lets just say thereafter , rio tinto stopped mining argyle , thats what everyone knows ....lets just say his own superior told him to spend very little money on his natural diamond ( at that point in time , lab wasnt so cheap yet ) , and lets just say what their study concluded ? that lab diamonds and natural prices will converge at some point . look in 2022 , i sold only 1 natural out of 99 . when i show a client that a 0.50ct still costs more than a 1ct lab diamond of superior colour and clarity , they know how to choose , mankind aint stupid .
If you take a bottle and leave it outside on the cold and it freezes or you take the same bottle and put it in the freezer inside...is there any difference...Debeers is not happy, but they have made enough money
hahaha I love that. Yes, its time for a new era.
I’m so glad I came across this video. I’m about to buy my wife another ring an the store I always by diamonds from has a one carat ring for 3500.00. They have a 2.5 carat ring for 8500.00. I love there prices an as long as it looks good we’re good.
I’m going Lab. Radiant cut rectangular modified 2ct E color VVS1 ideal cut and 1/3 of the price and tests real
Why would the resale value be dependent on the price you paid? An example you stated for one carat diamond the cut and clarity and size was the exact same? Thanks for taking my question.
But the real question is what makes a diamond so valuable if it has no commercials value 💃 and never sold more then the purchase price
Hi, i have question...why a diamond would lose value when the quality still the of original purshase ??
great video - will CVD lab diamonds ever lose clarity or color if they are post-treated?
If there is a clarity enhancement, some methods fall apart in high heat. Like if you were going to re-polish your gold ring/re-dip it for luster. Color enhancement shouldn't be effected the same way as clarity enhancement.
But hpht diamonds when tested with a diamond tester does not say it is a diamond while cvd is same as natural ones - I got confused by your statement that hpht is better than cvd diamonds can you pls clarify on this topic a bit more
I think he said this because they have better color. I heard CVD can be brownish. Sometimes CVD diamonds are later treated with HPHT process for color correction.
Thanks for the video! ... Do you know if all BlueNile and JamesAllen lab diamonds are HPHT?
Most consumer diamonds (earth grown) that are purchased aren’t going to hold their value with the onset of lag grown diamonds. They don’t even hold their value now.
Unless you want to drop 40k on a massive rock as an investment the you won’t ever get a price increase when you sell your diamond.
You are correct, this is not a monetary investment. Honestly, they never held their value even before lab diamonds arrived. Pawn shops and jewelers loved when diamond sellers came around because they made massive profits. Maybe people got back 25% of their original purchase. Tale as old as time.
This! And I’ve even been told before that there’s no value on the small pointed diamonds the pawn shops only want it for the gold
93% of diamonds now come from India, I just bought 22 carat diamond round earring studs solitaire, for $7.97 free shipping that's $2 per carat, I had two women who work in jewelry stores look at the diamonds, they said 2 years ago those would sell for $2,000
Hope to meet you in Singapore! Gemologist Jo
If I am ever in town!
I really hit the like button because I've learn from it. thank you sir
Great video 🙏🏻 I heard HPHT diamonds can make the stones magnetic? metallic inclusions and a blue nuance?
Are you sure to don’t mean ELECTRO-magnetic?
I like yellow diamonds in a princes 4:30 cut 1ctis more than enough , I guess everybody does ! 6:26
Nice video ❤thank you for the information ❤
yes I like lab grown diamonds
This is a good man.
God bless you Jesus!
Honest and informative. Good job sir.
I appreciate that! Glad I was helpful.
thanks sir for saying emotional investment. it educates me.
I recently bought an HPHT Lab Diamond in D Color VVS1. Why is it that some jewelers prefer CVD over HPHT?
Excellent video,thank you
This was excellent info. Ty.
You are very welcome.
Let's say in 50 - 100 years, there are lots of diamond jewelery in the secondary with lack of provenance for either the jewelery or the diamonds on it. Is there any way to tell whether it was natural or lab grown? I suspect the answer is that it's not possible...
Hi Jade. Well most serious vendors sell goods that are certified. And you should only buy goods that are certified. There will be a microscopic laser inscribed code on the side of the diamond that will say its origin.
Great video. What is the best place to buy an 'as grown' lab diamond?
he has a link up above
I got mine in Brilliance, best prices, and we looked and compared for hours!!! the video they show for each stone is very good and they even let you see the certificate and details online as you shop. I liked the experience.
I wanted to buy 2 carat good quality ring with vs 1 or vs 2 clarity
Great to see you again. You helped with purchase on my ring. Perfect!!! Love it and the clarity is Absolutely amazing.
Appreciate 👍 ❤️ 👍 ❤️
Thank you! Happy to have helped you get a beautiful ring!
@@OsirisDiamonds we called about another. Left message 👍
Thanks bro
Costs a friend of mine 36 bucks to make a 2car lab diamond. $4200 ? Fairly priced?
Thanks for the comment. I don't see how machines that cost millions to purchase makes a lab diamond take 36 bucks to make. Do you mean a CZ diamond? Lab diamonds as a process is an expensive endeavor yet much cheaper than mining.
Natural diamond prices are actually manipulated upwards by the big suppliers.
So it shouldn't surprise anyone that diamond prices in general will drop.
I’m mad. HPHT Are coming up over and over on the internet as moissanite. Yet the CVD comes up as diamond on a tester . I’ve just purchased a HPHT 😢 why would pay when it’s not gonna show as a diamond on a tester . Any insight on this please ? P.s I haven’t received it yet , only just ordered it
I am unsure on the percent of diamonds this is happening too. Might be the quality of tester as well. Apparently it can be due to the thermal conductivity of the diamond and HTHP can cause a misreading. You know you are buying a certified lab diamond, what are the odds of someone testing your diamond. I understand your concern but I also wouldn't be too concerned either.
@@OsirisDiamonds i believe it has to do with the trace elements trapped in the diamond. I read that natural blue diamonds also won't show up as diamonds on those cheap testers.
what is the difference in HPHT type II type IIa or IIb
Quick question. I found a source for VVS2 E color 3 carat round cut Diamond for about 700 each. Pairing that with a 14k solid gold ring puts me at $1300 total. Do you think you could resale that for profit?
Correction, 1 carat cz now costs $3.20, won't you lab grown buyers feel like schmucks soon.
I mean CZ is not comparable. I suppose one can say buy CZ instead of a diamond. Looks similar right. Lab is chemically and optically the same as natural. CZ is not. Buy silver instead of gold, looks the same right?
I own a real diamond ring and i can tell you i do not see difference between those too it shines the same even
Your videos are so helpful. I ended up buying lab grown diamond .5 ctw for my second hole (ear) from JA. I eventually will buy 1.5 ctw for my first hole. I always loved diamond stud earrings and your videos has helped a lot. Question: what is your perspective of gold, it's value over long term?
Happy to hear my videos have been helpful. There are large chats about this topic. Gold is seen as a very long term investment. But more from the pure gold bullion buying. Not retail products as they always have a markup. Like a gold chain has the value of gold to make it plus the retail value of it being hand made. So it can be triple the price of the value of gold.
Great to know, thanks for confirming this info.
Would you say Middle-Eastern gold is a great investment? I noticed gold in America or Europe, mostly sell 14k or 18k but quality is different than Arab countries' gold. I understand that it can be due to mixing the raw medals to the gold, using high quality vs low rated medals.
Gold,no matter what origin, will be priced to its value weather it’s 14 karat 10 karat 18 karat or 24 karat the value will always be the same. The only difference is you will be paid out a different price point depending the karat. If one ounce of pure 24 karat gold is valued at $1800 you will not be receiving that value if you bring a diluted 10k gold chain.
I'm in Malaysia at the moment, and over here, the gold shops have the current gold price listed on the wall. When you buy something, they basically weigh it and charge you that price plus a designer's fee, which is usually pretty low. But if you go to the jewellers in the mall, they just have a price for the item, so I assume there's a much bigger markup compared to the price of the gold itself.
Which website would you recommend. I was thinking to buy from stores but why not save money