Shape (and in some cases, weight) should be the main focus when it comes to choosing mice imo. Sensor accuracy and click latency are both so good that it's practically negligible now.
I think reliability is a good factor too. I've been using the same G700 for many years at this point. The switches have needed some care a couple of times but overall the longevity has been spectacular.
@@jumpman1213 Yeah, while I kinda get why ultralight mice are a thing these days, I just can'tt see things like those wafer thin carbon fiber mouse buttons lasting too long under extended use. Plus personally I prefer the heavier mice anyway.
Nice in depth review as always, especially enjoy you not overdramatizing minute differences. Really laughed at 5:47, "whats a hard counter to tracer?" - "your mum".
i think when it comes to shape its really down to your grip and hand size. i do very aggro claw and have pretty big hands but the superlight just felt really bad for me always, but in the other hand the v2 pro fits me perfectly. its just a superlight with a different shape thats how i see it both mice specs wise are pretty much the same
Yeah, I agree, different grip and hand size, but I’ve switched from G Pro Wireless to Viper Ultimate because of the shape and was happy about it. But after I’ve tried the Superlight - I knew I wanted the Viper shape to get the same treatment and new V2 Pro is exactly that
I swapped to v2 pro after my g pro wireless start having right click issues (26 days after warranty ends). Feels kind of cheated with the omron 20mil clicks and went for razer gen 3 90 mil clicks switch in v2 pro. Was a heavy user due to work from home. I gave it to my dad for father's day, it is still functioning well for regular user. But for someone that uses it to game, it is not fun when you zoom in to snipe, the gun zooms back out. :v Also main reason I swapped is due to camera not turning in FF14 because you need to hold down right click down for the camera to turn. Sometimes the right click doesn't work, you die in raids because you can't turn the camera in the middle of the fight and dies. It happens 95%-99% of the time and it is not fun when it happens. So far I'm loving v2 pro. I no longer accidentally jump (in valorant) with the stiffer middle button. For g pro wireless, I keep accidentally touch the middle button and my character just jumps in the middle of gunfights. +_+ I hope the mouse can last at least 5-8 years this time around. The price for v2 pro is not cheap, it is freaking expensive. : O
@@pseudzy Yeah. It might sound weird but if you play games like valorant or csgo, there is something that almost everyone uses and it is called bhop (bunny hop). I think it can be done with regular spacebar but it is just a lot easier to bhop by binding jump to mouse scroll wheel down or up. But I find mouse scroll wheel down more intuitive and feels better. There are some spot that you don't make sound in map when you bhop like bhopping up a ramp as opposed to running. I think in csgo bhopping is also faster then just regular running. It also makes your character a harder target to hit jump up down left right. It can also be used to absorb less damage from mollies in Valorant because when you are jumping through the AoE molly, you are in contact with the molly for less amount of time so the molly does less damage to you.
@@leotle6309 I’m fucking stupid, I use that myself in apex for superglides/superglide tapstrafes lmao. I pictured you pressing in middle mouse for some reason
I've been dying watching all the sales for the Superlight go by, but I'm waiting for them to upgrade that damn micro-usb to a usb-c connection before I splash that much cash on an upgrade. Amazing video as always, slick editing, crazy testing rigs... Next level man 🙏
You can buy a cable with a separate magnetic connector, that way you just have to snap it if you want to charge and then leave the end in the mouse itself.
get a g303 shroud then , has the type C u want, cheaper, has a grip that if u get used to you'll like more than a neutral mouse's when u get confident.
I just love the low profile, flatter shape of the viper. I tried GPRO and somehow it feels more straining on my wrists, despite being a very small difference in shape.
I love the effort ur putting into the testing of these products...just something that you really can't find anywhere in the tech TH-cam landscape. Adding that high of a production quality and overall visual standart is just a real bliss to watch and enjoy :) keep up the great work!
great review - absolutely love the testing methodology you're building up here. One thing I could have liked to see on your latency bar chart is, next to the chart, also mention if the mouse is wireless or wired, and its weight in grams. That would give a great overview pointing people easily to the product they think has the properties most important for them in a balance they like.
I ended up grabbing a G303 and I'm seriously considering buying another couple of them so I can have spares. I really, really like the feel and it's probably my favourite mouse I've ever tried.
You might like the MM720 too. I main a g303 but im tempted to buy a china 720 thats wireless to replace it. super super light and great shape for smaller hands
@@zednik8956 i still love the shapw and weight of mm720 but cm is just suck at making products. My mm720 died 2 times and never buy them again. Im on razer viper mini rn, not bad
I went from mm710 to logi g pro x to kone pro and tested friends' g305 , got g303 shround and just planning on selling or throwing all others. Its insane.
These are maybe best on paper, but keep in mind the stats are not very important if it doesn't fit your hand well. That was the case for me with the new razer products
One note, the superlight does have an incredibly good feeling and grippy coating but it wore off for me after one year of usage. It now has yellowish stains on many spots even though I keep my setup very clean. Dust and sweat free.
My hand is pretty huge and i think that i'll sell viper mini to buy viper 8k. Dont get me wrong, the mouse is amazing for the price, its just my hand.... xddd
You should definitely try out the Infinity Hump for the Starlight-12. It replaces the rear hump to make it suitable for claw grip. I absolutely love it and it has made the mouse my main.
I have one concern with the motion test. The result of movement from standstill might be majorly affected by how the sensor algorithm determines movement from standstill, and might not reflect the latency in motion. A better method could be method could be moving the mouse at a speed X and then accelerating it to speed Y, and detect the point where the speed changes compared to the command. The faster speed could use some insane power/speed, because the end speed doesn't matter, only the point where the speed changes.
One thing which you may have missed talking about is the difference in charging ports between the G pro x and the Viper V2 Pro. That being said it's really only a difference in convenience more than anything else.
The viper mini is the best sub 50 dollar mouse hands down. Punches way above its weight, it’s super light and build quality is good. The wire isn’t even a big deal to me personally, I barely notice it when the rest of the wire falls underneath the table
I would LOVE to see your take on the Pulsar Xlite V2 and Mini :) The mini is a model I am really looking foward to get, and a lot of content creators have been giving some praise to Pulsar, as they get a solid performance for a fraction of the price of those mice in the video
Very good content and video, good lighting, color, data showing method (charts), gameplay etc. Keep it up! I have a question to ask, does anyone game with office mice? XD
I have the Viper Mini and it's mostly great. My only complaint is the scroll wheel, it literally stopped working properly after like 6 months of use or something like that.
I don't want to cannibalize your youtube views or anything, but I find myself looking through many youtube videos trying to find your data on different mice. You rightfully compare the Superlight and Razer products in almost all charts, but the other ones vary. I basically just want to have a picture of ALL the data you have because it's the best I've seen. If you happen to have that and could drop it in a google doc or something, I'd be so grateful. If you can't, I might go ahead and look through all your videos and compile it myself.
I just really want Zowie to put in the effort and catch up tbh. I've been using various EC1 models for about 10 years. I've tried getting used to other mice but every time I go back to the EC1 it's like coming home to your own bed after traveling. The size and shape is just the perfect fit for me. A wireless lightweight EC1 would be like walking on clouds.
That's because you used it for so long. Just commit and change and youll suddenly realise your new 'home' or 'bed' isn't your old anymore. It's literally just time.
Maybe make a video about the best controllers? As a controller junkie I would recommend the PowerA Enhanced Xbox Controller, PowerA Nintendo Switch Wired Controllers, Razer Wolverine, Xbox Series Elite Controller, Sony Dualsense Controller, PowerA Wireless GameCube style controller and Xbox 360 controller.
This man out here pioneering mouse testing equipment, no other reviewers do anything near this level of scientific comparison beyond click-latency, and many don’t even go there!
i find the g pro (dont have the X, but same shape) to be too big for my small hands. i have been daily driving the VU for 6 months and it has been good for my relaxed claw grip. even though i have small hands (not sure on dimensions, but roughly 17*6 cm), i find the V mini too small for claw without muscle strain
I wish Logitech made a variant of the G Pro X Superlight with their "infinite" scroll wheel technology, I just can't get used to standard scroll wheels anymore, but it's only available in their bulkier mice. And apparently they have a patent on the technology, so noone else can make a small mouse with that feature.
Would be great if you could include mice from Roccat (kone air pro, burst) and Steelseries (prime) since they are also on of the "mainstream" mice a lot of people are using :)
I’m still rocking the G305 my brother gave me a year ago. Got a lithium AAA and cut down adapter in it to save weight, and for the amount of gaming I do I love it.
Glad you added the qualification around the latency being inconsequential to 98% of players. Still very interesting and kudos to your testing rig efforts - very cool. Looking forward to your Endgame XM2w review... :)
Something about the starlight phantom just didn’t feel right. I had random full disconnects mid competitive game with battery still left. As soon as I went back to my MM710 wired mouse, it instantly felt more consistent and predictable than my starlight 12. I bought the starlight hades as well and had issues with it too. I used them for months and just never felt consistent. I pre ordered the MZ1 wireless, so I’m waiting for that. Im definitely excited for you to start testing sensor accuracy since I feel like that is the biggest difference between all the top wireless mice after my Finalmouse experience.
I felt the same way when I used my FM starlight phantom with the original firmware it came with. It just felt like my shots were behind what I was shooting at all the time. Then I updated to the newest firmware 1.6 and it’s night and day. Way better and it’s my best mouse now
Hello. Great video as always. I wonder why is nobody saying anything about Corsair mice like Sabre Pro? I think they are awesome for it's price point and also if you have larger hands ;-)
i usually have a bad attention span but when it comes to your videos, linus, and that one old white dude named Jay, I just never see myself looking away
I do wonder if the sensor lag numbers are at all influenced by the inertia of the mice (though that would track to real world use as the lighter mice have less inertia in your hand as well).
I suspect there might be a defect in your sensor movement latency test methodology. (I also might be completely wrong.) I'm going to exaggerate the numbers from now on for the ease of understanding. Let's say the two mice have the exact same sensor which detects a movement when 1mm is moved. Mouse A weighs about 100g and Mouse B weighs about 200g. Since your rig outputs the same amount of force and torque every time. The time to Move Mouse A, B 1mm is gonna be different. (because Mouse B weighs twice more, the time is gonna differ about 2^(1/2) in my calculation). Again I'm exaggerating some numbers so it might not matter but also we're talking miliseconds territory so I think there is a fat chance that this adds up and have an impact on the Sensor Movement latency. This could explain why M2K performs so well. Then again I might be completely wrong so feel free to object
You could test this systematic bias by testing mice with the same sensor, pulling rate, DPI etc. essentially keeping other variables same other than weight. And check if the latency increases somewhat proportionally to the weight of the mouse.
Great review and awesome benchmarks/rig. I actually also have all 3 of these mice... I think there's something to be said about how mushy the sidebuttons on the superlight are. The coating is A+++ and the reason why I gravitate towards it...but the side buttons are strait mushy booty and pretty bad for something like Fortnite if you have building binds on them. V2pro and Finalmouse side buttons are leaps and bounds better imo
The Superlight is such a great mouse and it's hard to use anything else after it. I mean, I haven't felt compelled to look at anything else after it except something like a Zaunkoenig which sounds surreal. But trying to use my old G305 after the Superlight felt so clunky. Then again, there's a mouse for every preference and I have a friend who swears by his Viper Ultimate.
Honestly, the Zaunkoenig with a braided bare cable is like holding air. The cable was the only bit I didn't love about mine, but now it feels wireless. And it does this all while looking better than honeycomb mice in my opinion.
Yeah it's totally subjective just like how a lot of people still swear by their Zowies. I, myself, find the GPX to be perfect for my relaxed claw and i can see myself not wasting anymore money on mice for a foreseeable future.
I bought an MM731 last week for 30 euros. It seemed to be the best value for the money. Best sensor on the market, optical switches, optional wired/wireless and super lightweight under 59g. I couldn't find anything that resembles this package at even double the price.
I just upgraded from my old HyperX Pulsefire FPS which I bought 4 and a half years ago to a G PRO X Superlight and oh my god I felt the difference in like 1 second of opening it (Which was a few hours ago lmao). At first it felt like a toy because of how light it is, really feels like it is hollow inside, but man, I started a deathmatch in CSGO and felt GODLIKE, the mouse is just perfect. I'm still adapting to the new shape since it's a waay smaller mouse than I'm used to, but it already feels AMAZING. Couldn't be happier.
Me: "Oh, the Zaunkoenig sounds cool let me check it out." *sees price* Also me: "Oh, it's not that cool." I'd probably sooner check out the Viper 8K, at least that can be added to the stable rather than being worth as much as the two different color GPXs that I have.
I love the lovethe flatness of the viper, even though i have large hands, my gripstyle just fits it so well. I should mention that i have modifyed it to make it wider at curve where my pinkey sits, making it basically flat on the left side.
At 1:28 it looks like you’ve replaced the skates aside from the sensor ring and kept it stock why is that if you don’t mind me asking? Great video btw was really helpful and gave answers to some questions I had.
Next time he is gonna test new gaming mice by letting a Terminator move them. Nice video and thanks for the effort. Shows again its time to switch to wireless for that extra good feeling.
Great video once again, one mouse you should try is the pulsar xlite v2 wireless and v2 mini wireless. Both great mice. May be a little bias as I own the mini, but imo it’s better than the g pro x superlight.
Hmm yes very nice. I have the razer v2 pro, and love it. By this point in gaming mice its really just delay, and shape. Not so much as weight cause the weight difference is so small till you get to the finalmouse.
@@ezioauditore1588 Yeah I mean finalmouse, but the Zaunkoenig M2K is kinda down bad cause I own the razer 8k and theres no diff between 8k and 1k pulling rate.
@@noaimloser4335 viper is too heavy +bad cable to take advantage of 8khz. viper8k-> Zaunkoenig M2K(lowest weight + lightest switch on the market +lowest latency+much better cable) is bigger upradge than gpx->superlight or viper ultimate-> viper v2 pro. But to see difference you need atleast +240hz monitor + locked cpu mhz to usb be stable at 8khz .With 480hz next year the difference will be more visible)
@@ezioauditore1588 Ima nervous for the 480hz though. people that buy it will have a hard time using it, and the price of it might be the scariest thing LOL
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Is no one gonna mention how crazy accurate this review actually is with that testing machine? Unmatched channel on TH-cam for sure!
agreed to hell - really professionally tested right here. Excellent quality!
And he combines it with great cinematography!
makes me really wonder what he studied at college/uni or if he just learned all that stuff by himself
Battle nonsense used to do latency reviews with a similar rig but he retired from TH-cam, I wonder if he was inspired by that
Rtings exist, but sure w/ presentation
Your content always seems to get better and better with each upload. Such a pleasure to watch
your testing methods, your presentation, and your objective views (for such a subjective topic) are above and beyond. keep going what you do!
Shape (and in some cases, weight) should be the main focus when it comes to choosing mice imo. Sensor accuracy and click latency are both so good that it's practically negligible now.
Like he said, that testing is still very important to identify outliers.
Among razer and logi for sure but the rest is kinda sketchy
I think reliability is a good factor too. I've been using the same G700 for many years at this point. The switches have needed some care a couple of times but overall the longevity has been spectacular.
@@Khrrck Great point. I wish there was a big enough audience for thorough, long-term reviews.
@@jumpman1213 Yeah, while I kinda get why ultralight mice are a thing these days, I just can'tt see things like those wafer thin carbon fiber mouse buttons lasting too long under extended use. Plus personally I prefer the heavier mice anyway.
Nice in depth review as always, especially enjoy you not overdramatizing minute differences. Really laughed at 5:47, "whats a hard counter to tracer?" - "your mum".
i think when it comes to shape its really down to your grip and hand size. i do very aggro claw and have pretty big hands but the superlight just felt really bad for me always, but in the other hand the v2 pro fits me perfectly. its just a superlight with a different shape thats how i see it both mice specs wise are pretty much the same
Yeah, I agree, different grip and hand size, but I’ve switched from G Pro Wireless to Viper Ultimate because of the shape and was happy about it. But after I’ve tried the Superlight - I knew I wanted the Viper shape to get the same treatment and new V2 Pro is exactly that
I swapped to v2 pro after my g pro wireless start having right click issues (26 days after warranty ends). Feels kind of cheated with the omron 20mil clicks and went for razer gen 3 90 mil clicks switch in v2 pro.
Was a heavy user due to work from home. I gave it to my dad for father's day, it is still functioning well for regular user. But for someone that uses it to game, it is not fun when you zoom in to snipe, the gun zooms back out. :v Also main reason I swapped is due to camera not turning in FF14 because you need to hold down right click down for the camera to turn. Sometimes the right click doesn't work, you die in raids because you can't turn the camera in the middle of the fight and dies.
It happens 95%-99% of the time and it is not fun when it happens.
So far I'm loving v2 pro. I no longer accidentally jump (in valorant) with the stiffer middle button. For g pro wireless, I keep accidentally touch the middle button and my character just jumps in the middle of gunfights. +_+ I hope the mouse can last at least 5-8 years this time around. The price for v2 pro is not cheap, it is freaking expensive. : O
@@leotle6309 you jump with mmb?!
@@pseudzy Yeah. It might sound weird but if you play games like valorant or csgo, there is something that almost everyone uses and it is called bhop (bunny hop).
I think it can be done with regular spacebar but it is just a lot easier to bhop by binding jump to mouse scroll wheel down or up. But I find mouse scroll wheel down more intuitive and feels better.
There are some spot that you don't make sound in map when you bhop like bhopping up a ramp as opposed to running.
I think in csgo bhopping is also faster then just regular running.
It also makes your character a harder target to hit jump up down left right.
It can also be used to absorb less damage from mollies in Valorant because when you are jumping through the AoE molly, you are in contact with the molly for less amount of time so the molly does less damage to you.
@@leotle6309 I’m fucking stupid, I use that myself in apex for superglides/superglide tapstrafes lmao. I pictured you pressing in middle mouse for some reason
The viper is one of the most comfortable mousees I've ever held maybe it's just made for my size hands but it's just so comfy
I've been dying watching all the sales for the Superlight go by, but I'm waiting for them to upgrade that damn micro-usb to a usb-c connection before I splash that much cash on an upgrade. Amazing video as always, slick editing, crazy testing rigs... Next level man 🙏
Yeah, micro USB is 🤮. Complete dealbreaker. Worst connector of all time.
How does it matter? I have had the Superlight for a year now and it has never bothered me even once
You can buy a cable with a separate magnetic connector, that way you just have to snap it if you want to charge and then leave the end in the mouse itself.
get a g303 shroud then , has the type C u want, cheaper, has a grip that if u get used to you'll like more than a neutral mouse's when u get confident.
Micro USB isn't a dealbreaker when you only have to charge it for 30 minutes every 10-12 days.
I just love the low profile, flatter shape of the viper. I tried GPRO and somehow it feels more straining on my wrists, despite being a very small difference in shape.
Not forgeting about this mushy side buttons of GPro. I personaly use GPro and my wife Viper and at the end I needed to admit... Viper is better
I love the effort ur putting into the testing of these products...just something that you really can't find anywhere in the tech TH-cam landscape. Adding that high of a production quality and overall visual standart is just a real bliss to watch and enjoy :) keep up the great work!
great review - absolutely love the testing methodology you're building up here. One thing I could have liked to see on your latency bar chart is, next to the chart, also mention if the mouse is wireless or wired, and its weight in grams. That would give a great overview pointing people easily to the product they think has the properties most important for them in a balance they like.
The review set up is indeed going above and beyond. Data truly is beautiful when presented like this
I ended up grabbing a G303 and I'm seriously considering buying another couple of them so I can have spares. I really, really like the feel and it's probably my favourite mouse I've ever tried.
You might like the MM720 too. I main a g303 but im tempted to buy a china 720 thats wireless to replace it. super super light and great shape for smaller hands
@@zednik8956 i still love the shapw and weight of mm720 but cm is just suck at making products. My mm720 died 2 times and never buy them again. Im on razer viper mini rn, not bad
@@zednik8956 g303 is the most comfortable shape for me, and I’ve tried almost everything else there is
I went from mm710 to logi g pro x to kone pro and tested friends' g305 , got g303 shround and just planning on selling or throwing all others. Its insane.
You people have not worked a minimum wage job, have you
“Just an arduino with a couple of stepping motors” understatement of the century, that test bed is frikin amazing!
These are maybe best on paper, but keep in mind the stats are not very important if it doesn't fit your hand well. That was the case for me with the new razer products
Why? Was the mouse too big? Or too small?
One note, the superlight does have an incredibly good feeling and grippy coating but it wore off for me after one year of usage. It now has yellowish stains on many spots even though I keep my setup very clean. Dust and sweat free.
had this happen to me not even 6 months into using the mouse
That's the video that I was waiting!
A tier list would be amazing
Hoped for an endgame gear xm2w here, but that one sadly still didn’t make it to the market yet.
Viper Mini is what I main right now - great button and response speed, and the sensor is good enough after updating the firmware to fix the LOD issue.
Everything that I've seen that contends with it is considerably more expensive. It's a ridiculously good mouse for the price.
They released another firmware? I was using the latest Mini firmware but still got the LOD issue.
My hand is pretty huge and i think that i'll sell viper mini to buy viper 8k. Dont get me wrong, the mouse is amazing for the price, its just my hand.... xddd
Does your side button wobble? Mine is slightly wobbly but it’s still working well enough to where it doesn’t affect me too much
@@3xtan327 mine's slightly wobbly too. Maybe its the design? I dont really care tbh since i use this mouse for fps gaming
Nice analysis, very detailed. I’ve ordered an MK2 since your last review, waiting for the long lead time / delivery currently.
Hey, I'm assuming you got it already, how does it feel?
@@WooXZerah it’s nice mate, I like it more than the Superlight
I’ve been waiting for this. Love your other videos as well, but these mouse testing videos are pure gold
Im so excited to see that testing equipment mature some more! Great vid!
You should definitely try out the Infinity Hump for the Starlight-12. It replaces the rear hump to make it suitable for claw grip. I absolutely love it and it has made the mouse my main.
best YT channel out there. should have 20x the views and subs. good work beast
I have one concern with the motion test. The result of movement from standstill might be majorly affected by how the sensor algorithm determines movement from standstill, and might not reflect the latency in motion. A better method could be method could be moving the mouse at a speed X and then accelerating it to speed Y, and detect the point where the speed changes compared to the command. The faster speed could use some insane power/speed, because the end speed doesn't matter, only the point where the speed changes.
Yes, do way more tests. Way MORE!
I would be really curious to see how some steelseries units measure up alongside what you have already tested.
As always, great work Ali 👌
One thing which you may have missed talking about is the difference in charging ports between the G pro x and the Viper V2 Pro. That being said it's really only a difference in convenience more than anything else.
Really looking forward to the MZ1 wireless review!
thanks for doing the input lag test on the viper mini, I got small hands, so it's good to know that my very few options are good ones!
The viper mini is the best sub 50 dollar mouse hands down. Punches way above its weight, it’s super light and build quality is good. The wire isn’t even a big deal to me personally, I barely notice it when the rest of the wire falls underneath the table
I would LOVE to see your take on the Pulsar Xlite V2 and Mini :) The mini is a model I am really looking foward to get, and a lot of content creators have been giving some praise to Pulsar, as they get a solid performance for a fraction of the price of those mice in the video
Very good content and video, good lighting, color, data showing method (charts), gameplay etc. Keep it up!
I have a question to ask, does anyone game with office mice? XD
Polite,humble and in depth review.
Subbed keep up the hard work
I have the Viper Mini and it's mostly great. My only complaint is the scroll wheel, it literally stopped working properly after like 6 months of use or something like that.
Got the same problem after 8 months of usage
Yep scroll wheel click stopped working after less than a year
Viper mini with broken scroll wheel gang
wait I thought that was just me LOL it's been like 2.5 years, my middle mouse click is starting to fail but it still has some life in it yet T-T
I don't want to cannibalize your youtube views or anything, but I find myself looking through many youtube videos trying to find your data on different mice. You rightfully compare the Superlight and Razer products in almost all charts, but the other ones vary. I basically just want to have a picture of ALL the data you have because it's the best I've seen. If you happen to have that and could drop it in a google doc or something, I'd be so grateful. If you can't, I might go ahead and look through all your videos and compile it myself.
I just really want Zowie to put in the effort and catch up tbh. I've been using various EC1 models for about 10 years. I've tried getting used to other mice but every time I go back to the EC1 it's like coming home to your own bed after traveling. The size and shape is just the perfect fit for me. A wireless lightweight EC1 would be like walking on clouds.
check out the pulsar xlite v2
That's because you used it for so long. Just commit and change and youll suddenly realise your new 'home' or 'bed' isn't your old anymore. It's literally just time.
Great vid! Maybe talk about battery life and switches/click feel for future vids like this
5:44 That zoom to the enemies' message trying to counter Optimum lol
Maybe make a video about the best controllers? As a controller junkie I would recommend the PowerA Enhanced Xbox Controller, PowerA Nintendo Switch Wired Controllers, Razer Wolverine, Xbox Series Elite Controller, Sony Dualsense Controller, PowerA Wireless GameCube style controller and Xbox 360 controller.
Ali really needs to mention more about his efforts in these crazy review purpose custom machines he built.
TIERLIST BIG YESS! LOOKING FORWARD
This man out here pioneering mouse testing equipment, no other reviewers do anything near this level of scientific comparison beyond click-latency, and many don’t even go there!
What an outstanding comparison. Need more of these boss!!
Honestly, you are my favorite tech channel.
Love the rig, can't wait til it's fully operational. Hopefully we'll get some stellar data, thank you!
depends on the person shape and weight preference plays a big role for me my mouse is the gpro x superlight
i find the g pro (dont have the X, but same shape) to be too big for my small hands. i have been daily driving the VU for 6 months and it has been good for my relaxed claw grip. even though i have small hands (not sure on dimensions, but roughly 17*6 cm), i find the V mini too small for claw without muscle strain
Mz1 wireless review?
7:48 ouuu optimum tech with the tapstrafes??? what a flex
When he talked about the consideration of machine errors for the tracking I HAD to leave a like. Keep it up! l would love to see that test improved.
This is a no bs tech channel without wasting time.
I wish Logitech made a variant of the G Pro X Superlight with their "infinite" scroll wheel technology, I just can't get used to standard scroll wheels anymore, but it's only available in their bulkier mice. And apparently they have a patent on the technology, so noone else can make a small mouse with that feature.
@@_-Montana-_ I hope you dont game on the MX Master 3 because its bad for that purpose...
I just have another mouse with an infinite scroll wheel on the side to browse
I still keep my G900 as my "sidekick" whenever I am not gaming. It's kinda true that I can't live without that "infinite scroll wheel"
Razer now has a similar feature on the Basilisk (also bulky) so maybe they'll move it over to one of their lighter mice eventually.
Using a g604 for that very reason lol.
I have the Viper 8k ESL Edition and I love it.
I'm so excited we finally get to see this new test rig in action
Would be great if you could include mice from Roccat (kone air pro, burst) and Steelseries (prime) since they are also on of the "mainstream" mice a lot of people are using :)
roccat mouse are all dogshit
I’m still rocking the G305 my brother gave me a year ago. Got a lithium AAA and cut down adapter in it to save weight, and for the amount of gaming I do I love it.
My only problem with the g pro superlight is that it's micro usb. I'm never buying a micro usb product ever again
I always enjoy your videos, definitely going SFF because of your Videos. Cheers
No idea how this channel doesn't have 1 mil + subs yet
A1 content right here. Will still be holding onto my Viper ultimate for the time being. Didn’t you swap your switches in your g pro?
Seriously so cool you've got the testing machine, so good. Even LTT doesn't bother with this and they're huge!
The quality of content this channel produces just makes it harder to watch other great channels
Love to see you test the Pulsar Xlite V2 Mini
Good video, I'm between the Logitech x Shroud G303 Shroud Edition and the Razer Viper Ultimate, which one do you think is the best option?
one guy doing all this, Ali ur a top content creator son keep it up
Wow! Getting really tech now! Your just really making me want to change my G-pro for a superlight. Congrats on another great video!
as always your videos are above and beyond. would love to see your quick thoughts on the pulsar xlite v2
Glad you added the qualification around the latency being inconsequential to 98% of players. Still very interesting and kudos to your testing rig efforts - very cool. Looking forward to your Endgame XM2w review... :)
Something about the starlight phantom just didn’t feel right. I had random full disconnects mid competitive game with battery still left. As soon as I went back to my MM710 wired mouse, it instantly felt more consistent and predictable than my starlight 12. I bought the starlight hades as well and had issues with it too. I used them for months and just never felt consistent.
I pre ordered the MZ1 wireless, so I’m waiting for that. Im definitely excited for you to start testing sensor accuracy since I feel like that is the biggest difference between all the top wireless mice after my Finalmouse experience.
I felt the same way when I used my FM starlight phantom with the original firmware it came with. It just felt like my shots were behind what I was shooting at all the time.
Then I updated to the newest firmware 1.6 and it’s night and day.
Way better and it’s my best mouse now
I assuming you already got the MZ1 Wireless, how does it fell compared to the starlight?
Hello. Great video as always. I wonder why is nobody saying anything about Corsair mice like Sabre Pro? I think they are awesome for it's price point and also if you have larger hands ;-)
i usually have a bad attention span but when it comes to your videos, linus, and that one old white dude named Jay, I just never see myself looking away
The video I've been waiting for!!!
A review that I didn’t know I needed!
I do wonder if the sensor lag numbers are at all influenced by the inertia of the mice (though that would track to real world use as the lighter mice have less inertia in your hand as well).
I suspect there might be a defect in your sensor movement latency test methodology. (I also might be completely wrong.) I'm going to exaggerate the numbers from now on for the ease of understanding. Let's say the two mice have the exact same sensor which detects a movement when 1mm is moved. Mouse A weighs about 100g and Mouse B weighs about 200g. Since your rig outputs the same amount of force and torque every time. The time to Move Mouse A, B 1mm is gonna be different. (because Mouse B weighs twice more, the time is gonna differ about 2^(1/2) in my calculation). Again I'm exaggerating some numbers so it might not matter but also we're talking miliseconds territory so I think there is a fat chance that this adds up and have an impact on the Sensor Movement latency. This could explain why M2K performs so well. Then again I might be completely wrong so feel free to object
You could test this systematic bias by testing mice with the same sensor, pulling rate, DPI etc. essentially keeping other variables same other than weight. And check if the latency increases somewhat proportionally to the weight of the mouse.
Ayyyyyyy, Fnatic Bolt mention! Such a very under rated mouse!
Great review and awesome benchmarks/rig. I actually also have all 3 of these mice...
I think there's something to be said about how mushy the sidebuttons on the superlight are. The coating is A+++ and the reason why I gravitate towards it...but the side buttons are strait mushy booty and pretty bad for something like Fortnite if you have building binds on them.
V2pro and Finalmouse side buttons are leaps and bounds better imo
I've tried many different gaming mice but i keep coming back to Glorious O and D models. Feel the best and most comfy to me.
The Superlight is such a great mouse and it's hard to use anything else after it. I mean, I haven't felt compelled to look at anything else after it except something like a Zaunkoenig which sounds surreal. But trying to use my old G305 after the Superlight felt so clunky. Then again, there's a mouse for every preference and I have a friend who swears by his Viper Ultimate.
Honestly, the Zaunkoenig with a braided bare cable is like holding air. The cable was the only bit I didn't love about mine, but now it feels wireless. And it does this all while looking better than honeycomb mice in my opinion.
Yeah it's totally subjective just like how a lot of people still swear by their Zowies. I, myself, find the GPX to be perfect for my relaxed claw and i can see myself not wasting anymore money on mice for a foreseeable future.
I bought an MM731 last week for 30 euros. It seemed to be the best value for the money. Best sensor on the market, optical switches, optional wired/wireless and super lightweight under 59g. I couldn't find anything that resembles this package at even double the price.
Great vid, have you heard of the Wooting 60HE? It's supposedly the worlds fastest keyboard.
You deserve to be at the top you have great reviews great quality!
My boy flexing on his tracer's pulse stick. Nice video!
I love your personality and your videos so much ali 🙌✌️❤️
I just upgraded from my old HyperX Pulsefire FPS which I bought 4 and a half years ago to a G PRO X Superlight and oh my god I felt the difference in like 1 second of opening it (Which was a few hours ago lmao). At first it felt like a toy because of how light it is, really feels like it is hollow inside, but man, I started a deathmatch in CSGO and felt GODLIKE, the mouse is just perfect. I'm still adapting to the new shape since it's a waay smaller mouse than I'm used to, but it already feels AMAZING. Couldn't be happier.
Man I just want that M3K with the updated sensor hnnng. Oh and perhaps a slightly more flexible cable.
Thanks for the video!
Amazing review and channel ! What do you think of the Orochi ? Would it fit anywhere on the list ? Thanks a lot
is the m2k your new main? would you recommend it to a fingertip user on the viper mini?
Me: "Oh, the Zaunkoenig sounds cool let me check it out."
*sees price*
Also me: "Oh, it's not that cool."
I'd probably sooner check out the Viper 8K, at least that can be added to the stable rather than being worth as much as the two different color GPXs that I have.
I love the lovethe flatness of the viper, even though i have large hands, my gripstyle just fits it so well. I should mention that i have modifyed it to make it wider at curve where my pinkey sits, making it basically flat on the left side.
Seriously you have a partnership with NASA right ? I never seen a concrete test like this before. Awesome video as usual.
optimum u better see this you have the best combo of knowledge, genuineness/honesty, and testing methods on yt and ur one guy keep it up all love!
At 1:28 it looks like you’ve replaced the skates aside from the sensor ring and kept it stock why is that if you don’t mind me asking? Great video btw was really helpful and gave answers to some questions I had.
we need a chart for less worst softwares on mouse D:
as always great work
Next time he is gonna test new gaming mice by letting a Terminator move them. Nice video and thanks for the effort. Shows again its time to switch to wireless for that extra good feeling.
I’d love to see you talk about the NP-01 in a separate video.
Great video once again, one mouse you should try is the pulsar xlite v2 wireless and v2 mini wireless. Both great mice. May be a little bias as I own the mini, but imo it’s better than the g pro x superlight.
Would have liked to see a Glorious mice in the testing stack, but great vid
I was the Viper V2 also had side buttons on both sides, just like the Viper Ultimate.
please tell me what is better to buy Zaunkoenig M2K or finalmouse?
Hmm yes very nice. I have the razer v2 pro, and love it. By this point in gaming mice its really just delay, and shape. Not so much as weight cause the weight difference is so small till you get to the finalmouse.
You mean Zaunkoenig M2K ,finalmouse is shit
@@ezioauditore1588 Yeah I mean finalmouse, but the Zaunkoenig M2K is kinda down bad cause I own the razer 8k and theres no diff between 8k and 1k pulling rate.
@@noaimloser4335 viper is too heavy +bad cable to take advantage of 8khz.
viper8k-> Zaunkoenig M2K(lowest weight + lightest switch on the market +lowest latency+much better cable) is bigger upradge than gpx->superlight or viper ultimate-> viper v2 pro.
But to see difference you need atleast +240hz monitor + locked cpu mhz to usb be stable at 8khz .With 480hz next year the difference will be more visible)
@@ezioauditore1588 Ima nervous for the 480hz though. people that buy it will have a hard time using it, and the price of it might be the scariest thing LOL
@@noaimloser4335 I doubt it will more than 1k usd .Best esport monitor is acer 390hz for 300-400usd right now:d
awesome vid! do you have a similar one for competitive fps monitors?