Enjoyed it! Should be noted that the 1978 Fillyjonk film is actually not lost, I had just missed that it got uploaded when I wrote that original post, haha. Also, I don't remember saying the Martians are gay, but I agree with myself, they definitely are! /Mars Mom on this other strange account, oh my!
Fun fact: The 1969 anime series was one of the earliest projects Hayao Miyazaki ever worked on. He was thought to have animated many of the action scenes with the tanks and planes that Tove despised. He also disagreed with Tove when she said her characters would never drive, smoke, drink, or use guns. Also great job I found this on the subreddit. :)
the thing is, in the comics WRITTEN BY TOVE the moomins drank, used guns, and smoked??? i understand the tanks and planes and such because moominvalley is supposed to be non-electric, but i dont understand that.
Tove writting political satire for Garm during the second world war in which she mocked both Nazi's and the Soviet Union is not perhaps understood on how brave and risky it was. If Nazi's win the war, those writings are her death sentence. If Soviet Union conquers Finland, those writings are her death sentence. Of course we have modern hindsight to know that neither of those things happend but people at the time didn't have that luxury.
To a degree one could argue that a axis victory would have presented a less of a threat for her. Finland was, after all, more detached from the german spehere than countries like Hungary or Romania. But who can truly say?
well Im more than glad tove refused disney can you imagine how they would today massacre moomins like they have done every other thing they have ever bought
Can you imagine them forcing clothes and jobs onto Pappa and Mamma. Or maybe just aging up Snufkin to be the local wise old guy to pray the gay away 😂😂
@@steampunksloth0059 Approximately! In the books Mamma refers to the gang as "children", including Snufkin, so we could say thay're spproximately the same age. Snufkin could probably be a little bit younger or older, I don't know for certain, but the age gap isn't big
As a Finn it's so weird to have people talk about books I literally have on my shelf at home as "impossible to find" or "did you know this excists???!!" Anyway Mini is just a guest. In the unwanted guest book there are a LOT of characters who aren't mentioned in other books, they're just background characters. She's not even the creepiest character in it, if i remember correctly (it has been YEARS since I read it) the Ancestor shows up too.
im from california, it is absolutely near impossible to get ahold of official moomin content. every bookstore ive gone to, which is about 7 now, has only had the second book. none of the series are available, besides the recorded versions on youtube and pirate sites. its really annoying.
Snufkin is based on a man that used to be Tove's lover. He was gone for long periods of time, just like Snufkin leaves every winter. If Tove imagined herself as Moomin, that means that Snufkin x Moomin ship is real.
ehh lots of the characters were based on people tove knew and the relationships she had with them. by that logic you could also argue that tooticky (or whatever native english speakers call her?) and moomin are in love
This was a great video! As a Finnish person myself, who has grown up reading Moomin stories and watching thr cartoons, i would just add one thing: Groke is female.
@@BriarOrbit se suomalainen kokemus kun vastaan tulee hahmo jota ei nimen tai ulkonäön pohjalta voi yhdistää mihinkään tiettyyn sukupuoleen, joten arvaat vaan ja saat tietää viidentoista vuoden jälkeen netistä että arvasit väärin :)
@@centrifugedestroyer2579 Moomin books were originally written in Swedish (Tove's mother tongue) and the Groke is referred to with the pronoun "hon" ("she") in the original language.
One of the weirdest(in my opinion) Moomin facts that could have been included is; In the comics Moomintroll somehow got seperated from his parents as a kid. Later on, they met again when Mamma and Pappa were on a row boat and Pappa tough he saw a box or rum floating in the water. The "box of rum" wasnt rum, but Moomintroll who was trying to drown himself. Mamma and Pappa offered Moomin a mug of some warm drink, and Moomin regonized the mug as the mug he had as a kid. And they just kinda went on as the good old Moomin family we know after that??? Its so weird and i wouldent believe it if i didnt own the comic myself.
I bought a book had the original comics in and I have read that one! Also another one where sniff wants to get rich. So he makes this potion. Don't remember much else, Except for when they poured it on an insect and it turned into the groke.
I still have the book! It was A compilation of the books, songs and comics! Tho just a few pages of the books. But the whole book "who will comfort toffle" is there! (It's in norwegian btw)
Why was Moomin trying to drown himself? That's scary, why would he be suicidal... Also did mama and papa not recognize him, before he recognized the mug?
@@sandorrclegane2307 Because he lost his house (Stinky ate it), his girlfriend (Snorkmaiden disappeared after he met her in the previous comic) and he had lost his parents long before that, he was sad that everybody has a family but him so he decided to drown himself. And yeah, his parents did not recongize him until he recongized his mug.
I'm Finnish and I live very near Naantali where the Moomin World is and have visited it many times as a child. It's a really fun place to visit and I felt like mentioning one thing about it not mentioned in the video. If you ever plan on coming to Finland and visiting Moomin World it's extremely important to know that it's only open in the summer (except for in some years it has been open for a week or two in winter but still it's really only open during summertime.) I also would like to elaborate on the mug collecting thing a little bit, every finnish person owns at least one of those mugs and the Fazer mug isn't actually the rarest one that excists. In 2019 there was a Fillyjonk mug with a printing error that had been auctioned for 6100€ in Huutokauppa Turenki and the wildest part is that the buyer had retuned the mug because of a small fracture but the seller believed it might actually work as a way to identify the real one from any possible fake ones and make the real one even more valuable. However the next week it was auctioned for "only" 2100€ and it's not even the only moomin mug with a printing error that has been sold for a ridiculous price.
My mum is a huge Moomin fan, our family all had moomin mugs each; she had moominmamma, my dad had moominpappa, my brothers had snufkin and moomin and I had little my. I grew up having the Who Will Comfort Toffle read to me and absolutely loved it, so comforting for an anxious child.
@@kimberg2539 Means along the lines of evil spirit or just in general a scary entity. Something you can use to scare children. Darkness would be the original original meaning. That name is truly fitting for Mörkö. I remember seeing that Moomin episode that has Mörkö in it as a kid... was terrifying.
Like some have said, basically everyone owns a moomin mug in finland (it just is more than one), and it's not gonna be the only moomin thing they could have. You can buy moomin themed stuff starting from the kitchen to the bathroom and bedroom and to food. In every section of the store you can find one moomin item to buy. And it's as normal as the milk in the store so yeah, our need to have moomin themed everything is there~.
I don't think it's fair to call Tove lesbian (I don't recall hearing her having labeled herself at all, but bisexual would seem more appropriate), considering she had at least three relationships with men, Atos Wirtanen being the most notable of her male partners. Their relationship was a serious one, she would have married him, but he was hesitating. Atos is the inspiration of Snufkin, a person who needs his privacy and alone-time and can't settle. Her next relationship was with Vivica and though it wasn't a long relationship, they remained friends. She spent the rest of her life with Tuulikki after meeting her in 1956.
The video never called her a lesbian! Just gay. Which should be noted, "gay" has always been an umbrella term for all members of the lgbt community. If she's bisexual, she's still gay :)
@@Zeifure Gay is most commonly used to describe homosexuality, most commonly homosexual men, but when used about a woman it implies she's a lesbian because homosexual women are commonly called lesbians. Also, the video does not mention Atos at all, further implying Tove was a lesbian and never calls her bisexual. Further, when speaking of Tofslan and Vifslan as a representation of Tove and Vivica, the lesbian flag is shown, implying Tove and Vivica were lesbian.
@@Silveirias youre right, i did show the lesbian flag! thats on me. i never meant to imply she was a lesbian, and definitely shouldve included Atos as a mention. I knew that she was most likely bisexual, which is why i didn't refer to her as "lesbian", i meant gay as an umbrella term. thank you for your note!!! :>
@@Ermwhothefart It’s not lesbian erasure just because the word lesbin exists. Plenty of gay women don’t identify as lesbians, it’s not erasure to say gay women exist. It’s also not bi erasure to include people who ID as gay and are bi. Umbrella terms arent automatically erasure
"Skurken i Muminhuset" is accurately word for word translated as "The crook in the moomin house" Whoever translated it as an unwanted guest is just wrong.
"An Unwanted Guest" was the title of the unofficial English translation of the book that could be found on the net a few years ago. It seems to have vanished, at least I can't find it again, but that's where it came from.
We used to go to mooninworld every summer when i was little. Snufkin was so cool, in this forest area (where his tent was) he used to tell bunch of stories and play his harmonica
"Browsing Amazon at 3am from Moonin stuff that I don't need." Thats a bad habit we apparently have in common. This was a very charming video, great work.
I think the Moomins on the Riviera film was a fine adaptation of the first few comic serials. Snufkin’s Song is also known as Osabishiyama No Uta, or Song of the Lonely Mountain. That’s all I have to add.
@@istolethispfpsorry485 Well, The Lonely Mountain actually exists as a location in The Hobbit, (a book which Tove Jansson also illustrated, as a side note.)
@@QuirderphHilariously Tove Jansson were the reason why Tolkien had to change the size of the Gollum to a smaller hobbit size one because Tove Gollum were monstrous and tall kinda like a tall, skinny Groke.
ok so I'm one of those european kids who grew up watching the 90s moomins and as I've grown older, the moomins have always been there for me. I feel like it's safe to say that I know more about the franchise than the average person, because over time it has developed into a special interest of mine. and I just wanna say that it's an absolutely fantastic feeling to see stuff on this iceberg that I had never heard of!! it genuinely makes me so happy!! thank you!!
I think it's also worth mentioning that when the 90's moomin series was imported to Finland from Japan, the tapes had wrong color profile in them. This caused all of groke scenes to become nightmare fuel for kids accross the country. Simply google something along the lines of "groke Finnish vs Japanese" to see what I mean. I still have nightmares and I'm 24, lol
9:06 I wouldn't consider Moomin mugs to be like Beanie babies. Idk if Beanie Babies are still being sold, but Moomin mugs are mostly bought to be used, not collected. Sure, there are collectors who go crazy over rare mugs, but a simple Moomin mug can also be a nice gift to a friend or family member. We got a slightly bigger Moomin mug than the usual for my grandma and she was really happy about it, noting its size before immediately drinking out of it
For real, Moomin mugs are perfect for coffee. Most people just buy them for everyday use rather than collecting. They're like one of the staples of Finnish homes.
@@homer_sexual Exactly. My grandma always sets the table with her moomin mugs and some of my favourite memories are drinking hot chocolate in a pink moomin mug at her house :)
Fun fact. I went to my local thrift store a few days ago and they were selling moomin mugs that were from the 90s for 1800kr per mug. That's actually insane
I never got the Snufkin x Moomin ship just because there's so much Moomin x Snorkmaiden. They always seemed like soulmates to me, just not in a romantic way. Might just be up to the individual how they feel about it (: great video tho, I love this little king of introverts!
The movie "Moomins on the Riviera" is based on a comic story with same name that was drawn and written by Tove Jansson itself. And the "Moomins on the Riviera" comic story is a part of the Moomin franchise created by Tove and Lars Jansson. The film also took scenes from other comics drawn by Tove. Such as "Moomin's Desert Island" where Moomins meet shipwrecked pirates and save Mymble's Daughter. People who think that comic stories of Jansson's siblings aren’t enough or not at all Moomin-like are wrong because in the books, Moomins are just like in the comics and there is no big character difference. However, the biggest difference between comics and books is that comics have a kind of visual humor that couldn’t be created in books, and the later books have a kind of psychological depth that can’t be reached in comics.
I have one of Tove Jansson's biographies and it does mention that Toffle was female in the original draft. It doesn't say if Tove was forced or pressured to make the change but I guess it could be.
Involving the "Fillyjonk is a World War II Widow," Tove, supposedly, said in a letter to a fan that Fillyjonk's husband was an explorer who went missing on one of his adventures and is assumed dead.
Well done! And yes, I would LOVE more videos on this topic. Sidenote: The illustrations for Who Will Comfort Toffle? are unbelievably gorgeous and really need to be on more posters etc. It even has the definitive Snuffkin picture, in my mind! The translation is a work of art in itself, as well. I didn't know they were both meant to be female at first, but it does make a lot of sense.
thank you!!! i plan to make more moomin content in the future :) and also i so agree!!! i loved using those illustrations specifically, such a pretty book!!
They probably never got around to adapting Moominvalley In November for the cartoon because the cartoon was all about dancing around in flowering meadows going la la la, while Moominvalley In November was about grief and loss.
The Groke is also a curse in Moomin universe, specifically because she eats people. "Mörkö vieköön" or "may the Groke take (me/you/this thing)" is said fairly often in the books and even in the 90s series! The fact that she eats people is also a sort of casual fact that happens, like I think Mymble (either her or the Muddler) in Moominpappa's Memoirs said her uncle was eaten by the Groke in passing during a conversation.
The personalized copy hits surprisingly close. November in moominvalley has always been my favourite book, because it feels like a weird dream that shifts and changes.
I have a little collection of Moomin mugs and recently when my brother went to Sweden to stay with family, he brought me back a Moomin mug which is apparently worth £300! I had no idea they were so valuable
hello i am from Finland the original land of Moomin and, to answer you... you pronounced _everything_ wrong. trust me, i speak swedish too. i wanna applaud you for the "skurken i muminhuset", i died of laughter.
tove jansson was actually probably bi (though we'll never know for sure)! actually, snufkin was based on her former fiance (and considering moomin himself is supposed to be a stand in for tove...)
The personalised copy theory hits close (?) to me, I grew up with a stepmother (no longer my step mother, I don't have one nor my birth mother) and she read me moomin books when I went to sleep (i was like 6-8) and now i've grown up, re-reading moomin books, somethings always off to me, i never read the moomin books my stepmother owned myself, she only read them to me.
i think most likely the reason you feel like it's off is because of the memories and other things attached to it, like the specific feeling you had when your stepmother read it to you. it's never going to be the same reading it yourself vs. that memory
i think minnie was shown in the animated series! she was a character who was brought to the moomin house by too-ticky and was invisible due to trauma from an abusive aunt.
10:23 Шляпа волшебника - Shlyapa volshebnika - magician's hat (or magic hat) And to be honest it was pretty funny to watch moomin family bargain with the groak in a home made court.
There is not a lot to tell about Mini. He is a quest in Moomin house, appears in one or two pages, and doesn't really do anything besides having a little chat with My. The 'personalised copy' -creepypasta fits really well to Moomins. I have alvays had that creepy feeling about them. Like something terrifying is lurking beneath.
I've actually had dinner in the rural Finnish countryside with the man who was first pitched the rights for what became the 90s' Moomins anime, Phil Mendez. He had his own animation studio in the US at the time after leaving Disney. He showed the books to his workers, and they couldn't make heads or tails of it! So they declined, and the rights went to the Netherlands, and the rest is history. He does seem to regret it now, hah. Coincidentally, he ended up marrying a Finnish lady eventually.
This is so lovely! It made me think up a a bunch of things I would have added and made me want to make my own iceberg! Unsure if I will but here’s some random things I would have put on it without context: Undubbed 90s Moomin (Bouken Nikki), Atos Wirtanen, Sniff’s brother, Tove’s illustrated Hobbit, the disappearance of Snork, Lars Jansson’s comics, when two Grokes meet, Mr. Brisk’s species, the splitting of Sorry-oo and Pimple, Mymble the Saint Lucy’s champion, Baldkin, banned 90s episodes, Memoirs vs Exploits, English dub Mymble timeline change, Moominvalley location change, The Summer Book, “Snufkin” might be the name of a species, Moominmama’s message to English speakers, insanity of the comics’ canon, the story behind the Outhouse Moomin
Manhattan Dynamite is this drink first introduced in the comic "Moomin starts a new life" where two prophets come to the valley: First, a freedom prophet who says everyone should live without rules and as they please, then a duty prophet who says everything good and fun is bad. When the freedom prophet comes, Stinky ropes Moominpappa into making this really strong alcoholic beverage called Manhattan Dynamite to sell.
As a Finnish person, I only really grew up with the 1990's series along with reading some of the comics that I found in my grandma's place and it has started to become a bit of a tradition to me to watch the 1990's series every few months or so as even though the series is old and seems rather child-oriented, it is a watch I heavily suggest to anyone regardless of age.
If there is no talk about snorks having ability to change their color with their emotion I will be disapointed Edit: the november book was probs not turned into episode bc it was (I think) at the time when moomins had left to go to the light house and in the series they come back home after, so that november episode should have been in the middle of those episodes
“Troll i kusinua” 😩 im sorry but as a scandinavian i just find that absolutely hilarious to listen to, and found myself playing it over and over. Then again it’s a difficult word so I understand how hard it is to pronounce properly. Thank you for the good work on this video tho, i love it.
It's a bit strange, but this was the only moomin cartoon I saw as a kid. And actually the only moomin story I was familiar with 'cause I sucked at reading back then. So yeah, I guess those are the moomins we had at home
Great video! Just an addition, Manhattan dynamite was specifically the moonshine Stinky and Moominpappa made during a period of lawlessness in Moominvalley caused by a hedonistic, anarchist philosopher, who's teachings briefly became gospel in the valley.
14:55 Don't know what happened with the title there, but judging from the following pictures it must be supposed be "När parkvakten blev självlysande" "When the park guard (ranger, presumably) became bioluminescent"
3:13 The Snufkin Song in Japanese actually is called Osabishi-yama no Uta, which translates to "Lonely mountain's song" , and the lyrics also talk about the Lonely Mountains, which as we all know are the mountains that surround Moominvalley.
I saw exactly one video of a funky little man telling children to commit crimes, then got recommended this 10/10 but I still have no idea what a moomin is
Great video! Love it. But there was actually one episode of moominvalley in November created, but it got deleted and banned all over the world after its first air in Japan bc it traumatized a lot of kids. Ive read the book and its so good. I really recommend to anyone who can, to read it. Its really beautiful and nostalgic.
@@mosskiwi dude yes i was so shocked when i found out. I highly recommend "An amateurs guide to moomin." by Henry Kathman. Its a really really good 3 part series. And i think he talked abt it!
10:22 шньяка волшкньика whEEZE ok, lemme break it down. its actually pronounced shlyapa volshebnika since its literally. yk the russian transcription of шляпа волшебника - the wizard hat. its a typ-a thing like "the emerald city magician" by Alexander Volkov which is literally a narration of the sage of Oz, continued with fanfiction lmao (still love it tho, it was a part of my childhood) its just a thing that happened because of the informational blockade back in ussr, where foreign stuff was despised and forbidden but still was too good to ignore. so the wizard hat was born. it has its own aesthetic tho with its creepy artstyle. nice that its been acknowledged, even if not dived in that much
11:27 I- ...dear god.....I found all the three "picture movies" and jesus, Snufkin lookin' like a demonic gremlin dude 💀 anyways.....very happy that someone finally made a video about moomin iceberg....was genually planning to do it myself lol 🤡
I'm Filipino, but my half-sister is half-finnish, so when her family come to the Philippines they always either bring finnish candy or moomin merch. We got moomin mugs, moomin towels, moomin fabrics, moomin books, dvds.. I also received gifts ofc, and its through her family that I got into the Moomins in the first place. Though I have only read Moominsummer Madness and Moomins and the Great Flood because in a stroke of bad luck the only moomin novels I was given was Moominsummer Madness. I was gifted it about 3 or 4 times.
Mumintrollen has been a big part of my whole childhood so this is really interesting to listen to:]/from a little Swede and I will never stop saying that the English dub sounds funny because it is it’s hilarious to listen to
i feel called out by that last one, because when you where describing the plot of the story published in the news paper and that it was diffrent from the plot in the published book, well my version of that book dose have little my running away, her being the one causing disaster. so who knows. also your Swedish pronunciation was horrendous and it was delightful! thank you for the video.
Thank you for a well made video. If you've ever had to much spare time this fandom needs more good react channels ;) The fillyjonk who belived in disaster is a film I'd recomend you watch if you can find it! It's probably one of the most faithfull adaptations of a moomin story there is. The british moomin film is also faithfull to the tone and humor of the comics. And I hope everyone has been able to experience the acid trip that is who will comfort toffle!
Hey, loved the video and I just wanted to add something - the Manhattan Dynamite is from comic strips, it's the one with cult leaders convincing everyone to live however they wished to so naturally moominpapa and stinky made some super strong and canonicaly illegal moonshine.
As a Pole it was so weird to see Moomins suddenly become so popular in the west and everybody treating them like this wholesome thing when here they are this thing you either love or hate and honestly I think most kids actually hated it. it's more so something you get a nostalgia for in adulthood here if anything. I'm one of the people that hated it as a kid but I'm currently going through a very, very tough time in my life so I'm desperate to experience any sort of good vibes so I just kind of am rediscovering the franchise and now I see the appeal more than I used to. Got lots of merch, Moomin tea, cocoa, mugs (not any Arabia mugs yet, but I got a glass mug and a tiny enamel mug) and some books and I gotta say it is helping me enjoy life a little more. Though I personally enjoy the darker tone of the comic strips more than the overly wholesome 90's anime.
From my understanding, he's described as "cat-like" at one point and that seems to be the origin of idea... even though, it was probably meant to metaphorical and not literal.
@@a.dennis4835 Yeah no moomin character is an actual animal unless they are described specifically as that animal. They are just creatures with their names as also the names of their species.
Comet in Moominland (it might not be that English) is one of the most beloved movies that gets us ready to prepare mentally for christmas 😭💝 It's propably something like Nightmare before christmas is to english speaking countries?
currently in middle of reconnecting with my long lost Finnish heritage for an art project (which btw has been a joy) then I discovered this thing. Seeing the art style gave me Omori vibes and had to find out more and here I am now.
Nice! There's also one more which is kinda funny. Apparently, not a lot of ppl know about this, but Moomin once got lost in a river(?) when he was a baby. Moominmamma and Moominpappa eventually find him but they didn't know he was their son until he drank from a certain mug and he was like "Oh I remember this mug! You're my parents!" and they were like Oh Nice! But then they ran off into the sewers(?) underground thing and left him with Snufkin lol. This was in the comics btw
Loved the video and I'm very shocked to hear that the Unwanted Guest remains untranslated to this day. I loved it as a kid! If you want to, maybe we can arrange something so I could send you the book with the full text translated. Come to think of it, I wonder how much official Moomin works are still not available in English to this day, I've never really given much thought to it.
For the first 1978 Filljonk film. It's not really lost media as it's available here in Sweden on YLE (Finland's main channel)'s streaming website. It's in Swedish and is only 40 minutes long, and I'd say it's a pretty interesting and neat part of Moomin history
one thing that should have gone on there is the student made film Mörkö. It’s on TH-cam and it’s all in Finnish so watch it with subtitles on. It’s actually quite good, the acting is… decent, and the first death is fucking hilarious when you see the dead body
Enjoyed it! Should be noted that the 1978 Fillyjonk film is actually not lost, I had just missed that it got uploaded when I wrote that original post, haha. Also, I don't remember saying the Martians are gay, but I agree with myself, they definitely are! /Mars Mom on this other strange account, oh my!
thats crazy its not lost - i thought i looked! well thats good to know now. thank you so much for your input and the original iceberg
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MARS NEEDS MOMS
Where can you find the Fillyjonk film?
Please can you tell me, is it anywhere anymore? Yle has removed the film in 2022 from Yle areena but is it anywhere else?
CANT forget the panels of little my holding up signs that say "SLUT" cause, yaknow, it means "the end" in swedish
It's pronounced more like Slyyt
@@otto_jk For me its more like "Sloot" but its hard to explain haha
That’s interesting
Fun fact: The 1969 anime series was one of the earliest projects Hayao Miyazaki ever worked on. He was thought to have animated many of the action scenes with the tanks and planes that Tove despised. He also disagreed with Tove when she said her characters would never drive, smoke, drink, or use guns. Also great job I found this on the subreddit. :)
I loved his work on Sherlock Hound.
The nerve on this man to disagree with the fucking AUTHOR on what some characters would or wouldn't do.
I find it kinda funny that this makes him sound like a parody of an American.
@@APoleYouKnow Tell that to fanfiction writers.
the thing is, in the comics WRITTEN BY TOVE the moomins drank, used guns, and smoked??? i understand the tanks and planes and such because moominvalley is supposed to be non-electric, but i dont understand that.
Tove writting political satire for Garm during the second world war in which she mocked both Nazi's and the Soviet Union is not perhaps understood on how brave and risky it was. If Nazi's win the war, those writings are her death sentence. If Soviet Union conquers Finland, those writings are her death sentence. Of course we have modern hindsight to know that neither of those things happend but people at the time didn't have that luxury.
To a degree one could argue that a axis victory would have presented a less of a threat for her. Finland was, after all, more detached from the german spehere than countries like Hungary or Romania. But who can truly say?
U kinda said " Those writings are her death sentences " 2 times.......
@@thev0yager._ OMG No one cares.
@@zelmo5683 I know, i just noticed
@@thev0yager._ that appears to be an intentional choice
well Im more than glad tove refused disney
can you imagine how they would today massacre moomins like they have done every other thing they have ever bought
Can you imagine them forcing clothes and jobs onto Pappa and Mamma. Or maybe just aging up Snufkin to be the local wise old guy to pray the gay away 😂😂
@@shibumi-tanuki wait Snufkin is the same age as moomin?
@@steampunksloth0059 Approximately! In the books Mamma refers to the gang as "children", including Snufkin, so we could say thay're spproximately the same age. Snufkin could probably be a little bit younger or older, I don't know for certain, but the age gap isn't big
Think about bright side: We could have Moomins hang out with Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy characters :D (joke)
@@luigiguy1360 that I think could be the only positive side.
As a Finn it's so weird to have people talk about books I literally have on my shelf at home as "impossible to find" or "did you know this excists???!!"
Anyway Mini is just a guest. In the unwanted guest book there are a LOT of characters who aren't mentioned in other books, they're just background characters. She's not even the creepiest character in it, if i remember correctly (it has been YEARS since I read it) the Ancestor shows up too.
Yeah as a Swede it definitely felt weird when my kitchen cupboard is full of Moomin mugs you can get at every department store.
Ikr, like I grew up going to Muumi Laakso AND now i FIND out that Its popular in america LMAOOO
Yeah same, and also about the moomin mugs, since i've got at least 15 of those in my house right now lol
im from california, it is absolutely near impossible to get ahold of official moomin content. every bookstore ive gone to, which is about 7 now, has only had the second book. none of the series are available, besides the recorded versions on youtube and pirate sites. its really annoying.
I think the Moomin franchise is pretty big in Japan, for some reason.
Snufkin is based on a man that used to be Tove's lover. He was gone for long periods of time, just like Snufkin leaves every winter. If Tove imagined herself as Moomin, that means that Snufkin x Moomin ship is real.
tovehan oli pikku myy, eikö? mutta kai myös muumipeikko. go gays!
ehh lots of the characters were based on people tove knew and the relationships she had with them. by that logic you could also argue that tooticky (or whatever native english speakers call her?) and moomin are in love
@@stryker5055 calm down dude, what's your deal? when did anyone talk about pedophilia
@@BriarOrbit Snufkin is an adult is he not?
@@stryker5055 yeah, and isn't Moomin a young adult too?
This was a great video! As a Finnish person myself, who has grown up reading Moomin stories and watching thr cartoons, i would just add one thing: Groke is female.
aijjuma kerroin ton faktan tänää mun frendille ja se oli vaa sillee ANTEEKS???
@@BriarOrbit se suomalainen kokemus kun vastaan tulee hahmo jota ei nimen tai ulkonäön pohjalta voi yhdistää mihinkään tiettyyn sukupuoleen, joten arvaat vaan ja saat tietää viidentoista vuoden jälkeen netistä että arvasit väärin :)
Does it even matter in Finnish? Isn't both just "hän"?
@@centrifugedestroyer2579 Moomin books were originally written in Swedish (Tove's mother tongue) and the Groke is referred to with the pronoun "hon" ("she") in the original language.
@@ortodoksiradio1256 Thanks! Good to know
One of the weirdest(in my opinion) Moomin facts that could have been included is;
In the comics Moomintroll somehow got seperated from his parents as a kid.
Later on, they met again when Mamma and Pappa were on a row boat and Pappa tough he saw a box or rum floating in the water.
The "box of rum" wasnt rum, but Moomintroll who was trying to drown himself.
Mamma and Pappa offered Moomin a mug of some warm drink, and Moomin regonized the mug as the mug he had as a kid. And they just kinda went on as the good old Moomin family we know after that???
Its so weird and i wouldent believe it if i didnt own the comic myself.
I bought a book had the original comics in and I have read that one! Also another one where sniff wants to get rich. So he makes this potion. Don't remember much else, Except for when they poured it on an insect and it turned into the groke.
@@corvus9653 Yes!! I remember that one too! The comics were insane at times
I still have the book! It was A compilation of the books, songs and comics! Tho just a few pages of the books. But the whole book "who will comfort toffle" is there! (It's in norwegian btw)
Why was Moomin trying to drown himself? That's scary, why would he be suicidal... Also did mama and papa not recognize him, before he recognized the mug?
@@sandorrclegane2307 Because he lost his house (Stinky ate it), his girlfriend (Snorkmaiden disappeared after he met her in the previous comic) and he had lost his parents long before that, he was sad that everybody has a family but him so he decided to drown himself. And yeah, his parents did not recongize him until he recongized his mug.
Fun fact: the first moomin sketch was drawn in Tove’s huussi (outdoor toilet) door when Tove was angry at someone.
I think she was angry because she lost in a debate with her brother
I'm Finnish and I live very near Naantali where the Moomin World is and have visited it many times as a child. It's a really fun place to visit and I felt like mentioning one thing about it not mentioned in the video. If you ever plan on coming to Finland and visiting Moomin World it's extremely important to know that it's only open in the summer (except for in some years it has been open for a week or two in winter but still it's really only open during summertime.) I also would like to elaborate on the mug collecting thing a little bit, every finnish person owns at least one of those mugs and the Fazer mug isn't actually the rarest one that excists. In 2019 there was a Fillyjonk mug with a printing error that had been auctioned for 6100€ in Huutokauppa Turenki and the wildest part is that the buyer had retuned the mug because of a small fracture but the seller believed it might actually work as a way to identify the real one from any possible fake ones and make the real one even more valuable. However the next week it was auctioned for "only" 2100€ and it's not even the only moomin mug with a printing error that has been sold for a ridiculous price.
Hi
My mum is a huge Moomin fan, our family all had moomin mugs each; she had moominmamma, my dad had moominpappa, my brothers had snufkin and moomin and I had little my. I grew up having the Who Will Comfort Toffle read to me and absolutely loved it, so comforting for an anxious child.
what if your family cosplayed as the moomins
The groke is the personification of loneliness. "Eating people" is a reference to what loneliness does to people, eat your soul.
In swedish/finnish her name is mårran:) its way cuter than the english title, she is misunderstood. Her name in finnish is mörkö
Mörkö meaning darkness?
@@kimberg2539 Means along the lines of evil spirit or just in general a scary entity. Something you can use to scare children. Darkness would be the original original meaning. That name is truly fitting for Mörkö. I remember seeing that Moomin episode that has Mörkö in it as a kid... was terrifying.
I would personally translate mörkö to boogeyman@@kimberg2539
Like some have said, basically everyone owns a moomin mug in finland (it just is more than one), and it's not gonna be the only moomin thing they could have. You can buy moomin themed stuff starting from the kitchen to the bathroom and bedroom and to food. In every section of the store you can find one moomin item to buy. And it's as normal as the milk in the store so yeah, our need to have moomin themed everything is there~.
You can look up moominshop at helsinki, in Finland :) it’s pretty neat, very calming place to be at
I don't think it's fair to call Tove lesbian (I don't recall hearing her having labeled herself at all, but bisexual would seem more appropriate), considering she had at least three relationships with men, Atos Wirtanen being the most notable of her male partners. Their relationship was a serious one, she would have married him, but he was hesitating. Atos is the inspiration of Snufkin, a person who needs his privacy and alone-time and can't settle. Her next relationship was with Vivica and though it wasn't a long relationship, they remained friends. She spent the rest of her life with Tuulikki after meeting her in 1956.
The video never called her a lesbian! Just gay. Which should be noted, "gay" has always been an umbrella term for all members of the lgbt community. If she's bisexual, she's still gay :)
@@Zeifure Gay is most commonly used to describe homosexuality, most commonly homosexual men, but when used about a woman it implies she's a lesbian because homosexual women are commonly called lesbians.
Also, the video does not mention Atos at all, further implying Tove was a lesbian and never calls her bisexual. Further, when speaking of Tofslan and Vifslan as a representation of Tove and Vivica, the lesbian flag is shown, implying Tove and Vivica were lesbian.
@@Silveirias youre right, i did show the lesbian flag! thats on me. i never meant to imply she was a lesbian, and definitely shouldve included Atos as a mention. I knew that she was most likely bisexual, which is why i didn't refer to her as "lesbian", i meant gay as an umbrella term. thank you for your note!!! :>
@@Zeifure lesbian erasure /gen
@@Ermwhothefart It’s not lesbian erasure just because the word lesbin exists. Plenty of gay women don’t identify as lesbians, it’s not erasure to say gay women exist. It’s also not bi erasure to include people who ID as gay and are bi.
Umbrella terms arent automatically erasure
"Skurken i Muminhuset" is accurately word for word translated as
"The crook in the moomin house"
Whoever translated it as an unwanted guest is just wrong.
I have that book :D
"An Unwanted Guest" was the title of the unofficial English translation of the book that could be found on the net a few years ago. It seems to have vanished, at least I can't find it again, but that's where it came from.
I mean, I would consider a crook to be an unwanted guest.
We used to go to mooninworld every summer when i was little. Snufkin was so cool, in this forest area (where his tent was) he used to tell bunch of stories and play his harmonica
"Browsing Amazon at 3am from Moonin stuff that I don't need." Thats a bad habit we apparently have in common. This was a very charming video, great work.
I think the Moomins on the Riviera film was a fine adaptation of the first few comic serials.
Snufkin’s Song is also known as Osabishiyama No Uta, or Song of the Lonely Mountain.
That’s all I have to add.
good note!!! and a good title for the song really!
Sounds like something from LoTR or The Hobbit, tbh.
@@istolethispfpsorry485 Well, The Lonely Mountain actually exists as a location in The Hobbit, (a book which Tove Jansson also illustrated, as a side note.)
@@Quirderph It's also a place in the moomins
@@QuirderphHilariously Tove Jansson were the reason why Tolkien had to change the size of the Gollum to a smaller hobbit size one because Tove Gollum were monstrous and tall kinda like a tall, skinny Groke.
ok so I'm one of those european kids who grew up watching the 90s moomins and as I've grown older, the moomins have always been there for me. I feel like it's safe to say that I know more about the franchise than the average person, because over time it has developed into a special interest of mine. and I just wanna say that it's an absolutely fantastic feeling to see stuff on this iceberg that I had never heard of!! it genuinely makes me so happy!! thank you!!
Same
I think it's also worth mentioning that when the 90's moomin series was imported to Finland from Japan, the tapes had wrong color profile in them. This caused all of groke scenes to become nightmare fuel for kids accross the country. Simply google something along the lines of "groke Finnish vs Japanese" to see what I mean. I still have nightmares and I'm 24, lol
9:06 I wouldn't consider Moomin mugs to be like Beanie babies. Idk if Beanie Babies are still being sold, but Moomin mugs are mostly bought to be used, not collected. Sure, there are collectors who go crazy over rare mugs, but a simple Moomin mug can also be a nice gift to a friend or family member. We got a slightly bigger Moomin mug than the usual for my grandma and she was really happy about it, noting its size before immediately drinking out of it
For real, Moomin mugs are perfect for coffee. Most people just buy them for everyday use rather than collecting. They're like one of the staples of Finnish homes.
@@homer_sexual Exactly. My grandma always sets the table with her moomin mugs and some of my favourite memories are drinking hot chocolate in a pink moomin mug at her house :)
Fun fact. I went to my local thrift store a few days ago and they were selling moomin mugs that were from the 90s for 1800kr per mug. That's actually insane
love that moominvalley was basically tove's diary with extra steps
I never got the Snufkin x Moomin ship just because there's so much Moomin x Snorkmaiden. They always seemed like soulmates to me, just not in a romantic way. Might just be up to the individual how they feel about it (: great video tho, I love this little king of introverts!
The movie "Moomins on the Riviera" is based on a comic story with same name that was drawn and written by Tove Jansson itself. And the "Moomins on the Riviera" comic story is a part of the Moomin franchise created by Tove and Lars Jansson. The film also took scenes from other comics drawn by Tove. Such as "Moomin's Desert Island" where Moomins meet shipwrecked pirates and save Mymble's Daughter. People who think that comic stories of Jansson's siblings aren’t enough or not at all Moomin-like are wrong because in the books, Moomins are just like in the comics and there is no big character difference. However, the biggest difference between comics and books is that comics have a kind of visual humor that couldn’t be created in books, and the later books have a kind of psychological depth that can’t be reached in comics.
very interesting and a lovely point, thank you for the information! : )
I have one of Tove Jansson's biographies and it does mention that Toffle was female in the original draft. It doesn't say if Tove was forced or pressured to make the change but I guess it could be.
Involving the "Fillyjonk is a World War II Widow," Tove, supposedly, said in a letter to a fan that Fillyjonk's husband was an explorer who went missing on one of his adventures and is assumed dead.
Well done! And yes, I would LOVE more videos on this topic. Sidenote: The illustrations for Who Will Comfort Toffle? are unbelievably gorgeous and really need to be on more posters etc. It even has the definitive Snuffkin picture, in my mind! The translation is a work of art in itself, as well. I didn't know they were both meant to be female at first, but it does make a lot of sense.
thank you!!! i plan to make more moomin content in the future :) and also i so agree!!! i loved using those illustrations specifically, such a pretty book!!
They probably never got around to adapting Moominvalley In November for the cartoon because the cartoon was all about dancing around in flowering meadows going la la la, while Moominvalley In November was about grief and loss.
Yeah this is why I personally don't love the cartoon, I kind of prefer how realistic the books and comics are.
The Groke is also a curse in Moomin universe, specifically because she eats people. "Mörkö vieköön" or "may the Groke take (me/you/this thing)" is said fairly often in the books and even in the 90s series! The fact that she eats people is also a sort of casual fact that happens, like I think Mymble (either her or the Muddler) in Moominpappa's Memoirs said her uncle was eaten by the Groke in passing during a conversation.
The personalized copy hits surprisingly close. November in moominvalley has always been my favourite book, because it feels like a weird dream that shifts and changes.
I have a little collection of Moomin mugs and recently when my brother went to Sweden to stay with family, he brought me back a Moomin mug which is apparently worth £300! I had no idea they were so valuable
hello i am from Finland the original land of Moomin
and, to answer you... you pronounced _everything_ wrong. trust me, i speak swedish too. i wanna applaud you for the "skurken i muminhuset", i died of laughter.
LMAO..... im so sorry i tried
@@mosskiwi hagshaghdshd i don't blame you at all
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Yeah, basically every pronounciation was absolutely butchered, it was hilarious xd
tove jansson was actually probably bi (though we'll never know for sure)! actually, snufkin was based on her former fiance (and considering moomin himself is supposed to be a stand in for tove...)
And Tooticky were based on her life partner.
The personalised copy theory hits close (?) to me, I grew up with a stepmother (no longer my step mother, I don't have one nor my birth mother) and she read me moomin books when I went to sleep (i was like 6-8) and now i've grown up, re-reading moomin books, somethings always off to me, i never read the moomin books my stepmother owned myself, she only read them to me.
i think most likely the reason you feel like it's off is because of the memories and other things attached to it, like the specific feeling you had when your stepmother read it to you. it's never going to be the same reading it yourself vs. that memory
i think minnie was shown in the animated series! she was a character who was brought to the moomin house by too-ticky and was invisible due to trauma from an abusive aunt.
10:23 Шляпа волшебника - Shlyapa volshebnika - magician's hat (or magic hat)
And to be honest it was pretty funny to watch moomin family bargain with the groak in a home made court.
There is not a lot to tell about Mini. He is a quest in Moomin house, appears in one or two pages, and doesn't really do anything besides having a little chat with My.
The 'personalised copy' -creepypasta fits really well to Moomins. I have alvays had that creepy feeling about them. Like something terrifying is lurking beneath.
Who’s mini?
I've actually had dinner in the rural Finnish countryside with the man who was first pitched the rights for what became the 90s' Moomins anime, Phil Mendez. He had his own animation studio in the US at the time after leaving Disney. He showed the books to his workers, and they couldn't make heads or tails of it! So they declined, and the rights went to the Netherlands, and the rest is history. He does seem to regret it now, hah. Coincidentally, he ended up marrying a Finnish lady eventually.
I'm so happy you made this video! I was literally thinking, "man, how come no one has made a Moomin Iceberg yet". 🤣
I really enjoyed it! 💖
Also your kiwi avatar is adorable. lol 😊
@@coffeebeans5460 thank you so much
This is so lovely! It made me think up a a bunch of things I would have added and made me want to make my own iceberg! Unsure if I will but here’s some random things I would have put on it without context:
Undubbed 90s Moomin (Bouken Nikki), Atos Wirtanen, Sniff’s brother, Tove’s illustrated Hobbit, the disappearance of Snork, Lars Jansson’s comics, when two Grokes meet, Mr. Brisk’s species, the splitting of Sorry-oo and Pimple, Mymble the Saint Lucy’s champion, Baldkin, banned 90s episodes, Memoirs vs Exploits, English dub Mymble timeline change, Moominvalley location change, The Summer Book, “Snufkin” might be the name of a species, Moominmama’s message to English speakers, insanity of the comics’ canon, the story behind the Outhouse Moomin
I grew up watching the soviet cartoon and it always freaked me out, the designs are just so weird...
I feel bad for you, I can't even look at them properly without wanting to die
My favourite is the groke 🥵
lol, as a Russian I'm glad I watched the classic one instead
Manhattan Dynamite is this drink first introduced in the comic "Moomin starts a new life" where two prophets come to the valley: First, a freedom prophet who says everyone should live without rules and as they please, then a duty prophet who says everything good and fun is bad. When the freedom prophet comes, Stinky ropes Moominpappa into making this really strong alcoholic beverage called Manhattan Dynamite to sell.
Oh, like the season 2 episode? I remember it from when a was a kid.
I'm Japanese and I have very fond memories of 90's Moomins 🇯🇵❤🇫🇮
As a Finnish person, I only really grew up with the 1990's series along with reading some of the comics that I found in my grandma's place and it has started to become a bit of a tradition to me to watch the 1990's series every few months or so as even though the series is old and seems rather child-oriented, it is a watch I heavily suggest to anyone regardless of age.
If there is no talk about snorks having ability to change their color with their emotion I will be disapointed
Edit: the november book was probs not turned into episode bc it was (I think) at the time when moomins had left to go to the light house and in the series they come back home after, so that november episode should have been in the middle of those episodes
> known in Europe
> not known in the Western world
Choose one
me, not knowing what the fuck a europe is: gometry
(im so sorry))
@@mosskiwi
lol
Only known in the mountains of eastern Europe
Video creator puts snufkin's hat on their head and it makes a moomin sound, immediately got my heart liking the video! :D
This is so well edited wtf
thank you LMAO
“Troll i kusinua” 😩 im sorry but as a scandinavian i just find that absolutely hilarious to listen to, and found myself playing it over and over. Then again it’s a difficult word so I understand how hard it is to pronounce properly. Thank you for the good work on this video tho, i love it.
"Mum can we have the moomins?"
"No, we already have the moomins at home"
Moomins at home: 10:44
It's a bit strange, but this was the only moomin cartoon I saw as a kid. And actually the only moomin story I was familiar with 'cause I sucked at reading back then. So yeah, I guess those are the moomins we had at home
Great video! Just an addition, Manhattan dynamite was specifically the moonshine Stinky and Moominpappa made during a period of lawlessness in Moominvalley caused by a hedonistic, anarchist philosopher, who's teachings briefly became gospel in the valley.
This is making my queer little heart so happy.
14:55 Don't know what happened with the title there, but judging from the following pictures it must be supposed be "När parkvakten blev självlysande"
"When the park guard (ranger, presumably) became bioluminescent"
3:13 The Snufkin Song in Japanese actually is called Osabishi-yama no Uta, which translates to "Lonely mountain's song" , and the lyrics also talk about the Lonely Mountains, which as we all know are the mountains that surround Moominvalley.
As a Queer Finnswede, I always get so happy seeing how people find the one thing I am so nostalgic for in my childhood!
Thank god Disney didn’t end up buying Moomin. It would’ve been incredibly butchered by now considering the state of Disney now
Just to note, a more accurate translation to “skurken i muminhuset” I’d say would be “the bad guy in the moomin house”. Really nice video :)
I don’t know how this isn’t getting more attention. This is so cool!
I saw exactly one video of a funky little man telling children to commit crimes, then got recommended this
10/10 but I still have no idea what a moomin is
Great video! Love it. But there was actually one episode of moominvalley in November created, but it got deleted and banned all over the world after its first air in Japan bc it traumatized a lot of kids. Ive read the book and its so good. I really recommend to anyone who can, to read it. Its really beautiful and nostalgic.
oh wait really????? holy cow ... ill look into that! if theres any more information you could give me id be over the moon!! thank u for the comment
@@mosskiwi dude yes i was so shocked when i found out. I highly recommend "An amateurs guide to moomin." by Henry Kathman. Its a really really good 3 part series. And i think he talked abt it!
Link pls
@@UltraTsuki just search an amateurs guide to moomin and itll come up!
10:22 шньяка волшкньика whEEZE
ok, lemme break it down.
its actually pronounced shlyapa volshebnika since its literally. yk the russian transcription of шляпа волшебника - the wizard hat. its a typ-a thing like "the emerald city magician" by Alexander Volkov which is literally a narration of the sage of Oz, continued with fanfiction lmao (still love it tho, it was a part of my childhood) its just a thing that happened because of the informational blockade back in ussr, where foreign stuff was despised and forbidden but still was too good to ignore. so the wizard hat was born. it has its own aesthetic tho with its creepy artstyle. nice that its been acknowledged, even if not dived in that much
11:27 I- ...dear god.....I found all the three "picture movies" and jesus, Snufkin lookin' like a demonic gremlin dude 💀
anyways.....very happy that someone finally made a video about moomin iceberg....was genually planning to do it myself lol 🤡
"The Groke eats people." God forbid women do anything
"Moomin maiden" Hmm, that's cute. "Mumin-fröken" (in swedish) THAT'S ADORABLE IM SCREAMIIIINGGGGGG
I'm Filipino, but my half-sister is half-finnish, so when her family come to the Philippines they always either bring finnish candy or moomin merch. We got moomin mugs, moomin towels, moomin fabrics, moomin books, dvds..
I also received gifts ofc, and its through her family that I got into the Moomins in the first place.
Though I have only read Moominsummer Madness and Moomins and the Great Flood because in a stroke of bad luck the only moomin novels I was given was Moominsummer Madness. I was gifted it about 3 or 4 times.
Mumintrollen has been a big part of my whole childhood so this is really interesting to listen to:]/from a little Swede and I will never stop saying that the English dub sounds funny because it is it’s hilarious to listen to
OMG NOT THE NITW MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND i’m in love w this tysm for making it
i feel called out by that last one, because when you where describing the plot of the story published in the news paper and that it was diffrent from the plot in the published book, well my version of that book dose have little my running away, her being the one causing disaster. so who knows.
also your Swedish pronunciation was horrendous and it was delightful!
thank you for the video.
Thank you for a well made video. If you've ever had to much spare time this fandom needs more good react channels ;)
The fillyjonk who belived in disaster is a film I'd recomend you watch if you can find it! It's probably one of the most faithfull adaptations of a moomin story there is. The british moomin film is also faithfull to the tone and humor of the comics. And I hope everyone has been able to experience the acid trip that is who will comfort toffle!
I love the way she pronounces Fazer
Hey, loved the video and I just wanted to add something - the Manhattan Dynamite is from comic strips, it's the one with cult leaders convincing everyone to live however they wished to so naturally moominpapa and stinky made some super strong and canonicaly illegal moonshine.
im so glad disney didnt buy moominvalley
As a Pole it was so weird to see Moomins suddenly become so popular in the west and everybody treating them like this wholesome thing when here they are this thing you either love or hate and honestly I think most kids actually hated it. it's more so something you get a nostalgia for in adulthood here if anything. I'm one of the people that hated it as a kid but I'm currently going through a very, very tough time in my life so I'm desperate to experience any sort of good vibes so I just kind of am rediscovering the franchise and now I see the appeal more than I used to. Got lots of merch, Moomin tea, cocoa, mugs (not any Arabia mugs yet, but I got a glass mug and a tiny enamel mug) and some books and I gotta say it is helping me enjoy life a little more. Though I personally enjoy the darker tone of the comic strips more than the overly wholesome 90's anime.
I have to say. One of my favourite adaptations of Snork has to be the older 60s/70s anime adaptation. I just loooove his design so much!!
6:40 My cat is named Toffle (well, the Finnish equivalent but defo the same character) and she is indeed a girl ❤️
As a Swedish person watching and reading Moomin I already figured that Moomin troll was a title a long time ago
Et and en is the Swedish suffix for the. Moomintroll's name is Mumintrollet in Swedish. You might see this other moomin character's names
Hearing you try, and fail, to pronouce swedish names for things was without a doubt the best part of the video.
The Moomins on the Riviera movie was released in Finland in October 2014 to celebrate Tove Jansson's 100th birthday.
14:52 in moomins 1990 episode"the invisible friend" features someone with that name, the girl that tutikki brings to moomins
That last bit about the personalized books is literally just the Super Mario 64 Personalization Fever from a year or two ago.
Whenever Joxter is called a cat I jump up and shout ”No he fucking isn’t”
Yea he isnt a cat :(
From my understanding, he's described as "cat-like" at one point and that seems to be the origin of idea... even though, it was probably meant to metaphorical and not literal.
@@a.dennis4835 Yeah no moomin character is an actual animal unless they are described specifically as that animal. They are just creatures with their names as also the names of their species.
Interesting 🧐 I finally found an iceberg for the moomins
Comet in Moominland (it might not be that English) is one of the most beloved movies that gets us ready to prepare mentally for christmas 😭💝 It's propably something like Nightmare before christmas is to english speaking countries?
I have never watched this show but I am taking in deep moomin lore
currently in middle of reconnecting with my long lost Finnish heritage for an art project (which btw has been a joy) then I discovered this thing. Seeing the art style gave me Omori vibes and had to find out more and here I am now.
Yes! I've been waiting for someone to do a video on this! I had the image of the iceberg saved on my phone for a while.
In Finland it is obligatory to have at least one Moomin coffee cup so most of this info was already known to us. 😅
Nice! There's also one more which is kinda funny. Apparently, not a lot of ppl know about this, but Moomin once got lost in a river(?) when he was a baby. Moominmamma and Moominpappa eventually find him but they didn't know he was their son until he drank from a certain mug and he was like "Oh I remember this mug! You're my parents!" and they were like Oh Nice! But then they ran off into the sewers(?) underground thing and left him with Snufkin lol. This was in the comics btw
Tove Jansson was a Bi queen, here's hoping she's resting in Moomin Valley up in heaven
Skurken i muminhuset stranslates closer to "the villian inside the moomin house"
Tofslan and Vifslan, you're saying it it swedish correctly! But with a strong english wording to it, but 10/10! And thank you for this video ♥
Fazer is Bakery company. They make really good Chocolate called, Fazerin Sininen. "Fazer's Blue"
I like how Finland and Germany have different censorship, even now, merely because of gun violence being a big thing in america
Loved the video and I'm very shocked to hear that the Unwanted Guest remains untranslated to this day. I loved it as a kid! If you want to, maybe we can arrange something so I could send you the book with the full text translated.
Come to think of it, I wonder how much official Moomin works are still not available in English to this day, I've never really given much thought to it.
the night in the woods star finding song my beloved
For the first 1978 Filljonk film. It's not really lost media as it's available here in Sweden on YLE (Finland's main channel)'s streaming website.
It's in Swedish and is only 40 minutes long, and I'd say it's a pretty interesting and neat part of Moomin history
good note... thats really interesting :On
This needs more views, it’s amazing!
15:40 Oh god i thought that the glob of void with 2 eyes above her head is actually her face, wtf....
one thing that should have gone on there is the student made film Mörkö. It’s on TH-cam and it’s all in Finnish so watch it with subtitles on. It’s actually quite good, the acting is… decent, and the first death is fucking hilarious when you see the dead body