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Honestly, for me it’s a dealbreaker if I can’t fish braid on the reel. I love to see the spool being suitable for braid since mono or fluoro has way to little sensitivity, especially in windy conditions, compared to braid. Europeans fish braid for everything and as a fellow european I love to be able to put braid on a BFS reel.
So, to satisfy both braid & mono lines what would be the lightest material to make a spool without sacrificing strength? Great News Flash Release video, as always thanks for sharing.
It's quite possible that Roro might release a spool for the new 2020 steez air. I have the alphas ct sv + roro spool and it's amazing. Can only imagine what the Roro spool for the new steez will be. Hopefully it will be under 4g w/ bearing total.
I agree. Daiwa is not always about comming ready stock. They always leave open upgrade for them reels. Roro will make a 28mm spool in the 3 gram range for it.
I always watch your videos and I do like the content. But just a comment, I don’t think the weight difference matter so much here. Moment of inertia from a spool depended way more on how the mass is distributed around the axis than just the mass itself. I=mr^2. In this case they’ve reduced the diameter of the spool which will impact the moment of inertia much more than, for example, replacing a stainless steel shaft by an aluminum one and getting a couple grams there.
Notus Notus I get your point. A smaller diameter will also need to spin faster in order to provide the line. There are multiple factor that many times go against each other. My point is, only looking at spool weight isn’t enough the say the reel won’t be a great caster.
Notus Notus that might be a better option, because you won’t just be removing mass but also mass distributed away from the axis, without paying with line memory or spool speed. Isn’t that what Shimano did for the new Antares they just launched?
Decreasing spool diameter also means decreasing spool starting torque from the force, provided by the lure when you cast... Torque=force*radius... And yes, then the spool should rotate with higher speed for the same lure speed...
But remember I was wanting the Steez Air to cast 0.9 gram trout magnets better than my Aldebaran BFS with Avail spool. 6.6 grams aint gonna cut it no matter how small the diameter.
Stronger dense spool at the same time light vs. The t3 spool which is light but less dense but will not handle braid line as the braid line will crush the spool under tension.
I completely agree with you... no sense that it costs so much... The aldebaran with that avail spool costs 200 less.. and that AliExpress spools are more than enough to trow 2 or 1,5 g lures. Additionally it weights like an aldebaran. The cast will be more controlled due to that small spool.. but 600 dollars to have a bfs reel that add nothing to other same category reels .. I am wondering why this thing will be special. I also think that braid can be used without problems with aldebaran or steez Ct
When u gonna do the actual casting of the zephr but put the full ceramic bearings in it trust me raw fishing does it on you tube casts way further than regular bearings
Am I missing something, why do BFS reels use high speed gear ratios w/bigger spools? Both attribute to moving bait faster through the water. When I finesse fish I have to restrain myself from moving it, the last thing I want is more speed. Please explain these contradicting trends. Thanks man.
I think its for a couple of reasons, to make up for smaller diameter spools and bfs started out as pitching light lures for bass. theres alot of bfs reels now with slower gear ratios
I finally caved in and ordered me a steez air, it will be my first steez ever. Some reviewers are saying it cast more effortlessly than the stock Aldebaran bfs.
Why you don’t talk about Daiwa quality over the years? Or maybe most people are interested only how smooth is shimano? How smooth are shimano after couples of years?
Pro staff daiwa told me that the Spool focus on strength to hold braided line, decrease on diameter reducing inertia force to help reduce backlash. A lot bfs reel user such SV light LTD that only hold non-braided line have damage the spool shape coz from their opinion the braided seems shrink after dry. I think it is a reasonable answer coz i did winding used line on coke can and i can see the result in few days. Aftermarket shallow spool also only last for few month from my experience. Bdw, great video and i js share my opinion and some other pro angler experience 👍👍👍
For me, Daiwa still has an edge for saltwater reels, but its freshwater reel is getting too expensive. You probably can get a 2020 JDM Met for 35000 yens and it is better than a 47000 yen Steez CT.
The Reel Test, If you have the ability to track sales. Please report back in about 6 to 12 months as to how well this reel is selling. Like you stated it makes you wonder who authorized develpement of this reel with it’s steep price and no real gain in performance. Someone with a spreadsheet miscalculated on this one. Or the Corporate world is convinced the general public is more into status/price vs value and performance.
Do you take durability into account? It's a G1 duraluminum spool. I'll take the durability over less weight if I'm achieving the same results. Spool weight is only part of the equation. That being said, I'm not getting this reel either.
I personally dont feel the G1 is more durable. As ive stated in the video, ive damaged my G1 spool on the SS Air I have and the Alphas Air just by removing the bearing even when protected with tape. Never had that problem with any other reels
@@THEREELTEST I'm not referring to bearing removal. I'm referring to the actual strength of the spool. I don't do true bfs, nor do I care for heavily ported spools. Daiwas spool lips are indeed fragile, and they rarely survive a drop, but that's mostly user error. I've had no issues with crush or deformation. I'm more power finesse, and find the G1 1012SV and spool from the SV limited serve my purposes well. I feel braking systems, appropriate rod, casting motion - behavior, and sometimes spool bearings play a larger factor in results than the actual spool itself. Generally distances between many spools are relatively marginal. My point is that I wouldn't suggest or recommend not getting this reel, just because of the spool weight. None the less, this reel is ridiculously over priced. Plus it looks like an Okuma to me for some reason.
G1 is irrelevant because the supposedly "lesser" aluminum spooled BFS reels have never had any problems with strength. Its just a marketing ploy to justify charging more money. Also I stated in the video I wanted to be able to replace my Aldebaran (with the 4.2 gram Avail spool) to cast 0.9 gram trout magnets. Spool weight is absolutely critical for that, as ive tried it with the lighter Revo LTX spool (vs Steez Air) and it was not very fishable in my book.
@@THEREELTEST daiwa's spool bearing pin is located deep into the spool. From my experience you'd need a somewhat specialized pin remover to remove them without touching and preventing damage to the spool. Not so coincidentally daiwa themselves sell it, something along the name of SLPW Spool Remover or something.
Spool weight is not everything. KTF spool weights even more and casts like hell. Important is weight on the outside. Ktf uses heavy stainless shafts and superlight outside material. I belive this is also ktf spool and to give strenght they used ss for shaft and the rotation weight is very small and very small OD of spool will give incredible fast start. I had CT with tuning KTF spool and it is magnificent.
@@THEREELTEST in open space, from shore, where you have place to load the rod I say yes. Did you try to cast in places for which it was designed? Like streams, rivers, with bushes, rocks, where you have to be very precise? That is the reel test for bfs tackle.
I own alot of steez and there high end Daiwa reels but Shimano is slowly winning me over.I love my metanium and scorpion, next will be a Aldebaran mgl. Might have alot of Daiwas foresale in the near future.
@@jimmylarge1148 the problem is there isn't any real testing going on seeing as what are fishing reels used for?? Oh... thats right..... to FISH!!!! Its not about being mean its about being realistic. This page gives all sorts of bs information then people go buy a 200 dollar reel to fish ponds just because this guys told you its the lightest, fastest, longest casting blah blah blah reel ever!!.... I want to see people actually give REAL content and focus on bettering the sport of fishing.
because EU customers always use thin braid not mono or fluoro, and in the EU market, Daiwa is the bigget brand in every country... Big black-white D logo everywhere, media and fishing shops. Yeah, Daiwa is strong in marketing, Shimano is strong in develeopment. (sorry for my english i use g translate..)
DGxxxK1 I’d disagree. In Scandinavia and I think Germany, Abu and Shimano sell much better than any other brand. Normark, the distributors of Shimano in Scandinavia, are selling many many more Shimano reels than Daiwa reels. Abu is Swedish and that means they have a good grip around the Scandinavian area. We do fish braid on everything though. But I would lie if I said Daiwa is the biggest brand in Europe.
In my country, every 10 reels sold over the last 10 years, 7 are Daiwa. Only in the last 2 years has the Shimano been able to increase sales. thanks to the angling/baitcaster groups on facebook. In EU, especially middle and east EU fishing with casting gears is a new thing. (i hope translate is ok... :) )
At that price it better taste good. Holy crap, I hope those fish appreciate how much money we spend on them. I can just picture the carp saying "and you call us suckers?" Oh well, it's all still fun and $pendy!
Reviews of weight doesn't show a performance improvement. Lighter weights is often due to weaker/thinner walls and/or materials. If you want to use super light weight spools, be prepared to get them dented, damaged, etc. I would rather wait for a comparison on the capabilities as opposed to just a weight difference.
There are always hard-core Daiwa and Shimano anglers willing to buy the newest reels every time one comes out. They think it has to be better than last year’s model and can’t wait to show it off to anyone willing to genuflect over it as if it is the best thing since the invention of the wheel. Not!
Dont worry, I have something VERY special planned for Daiwa BFS!
do you have a link to the roro spool?
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Honestly, for me it’s a dealbreaker if I can’t fish braid on the reel. I love to see the spool being suitable for braid since mono or fluoro has way to little sensitivity, especially in windy conditions, compared to braid. Europeans fish braid for everything and as a fellow european I love to be able to put braid on a BFS reel.
So, to satisfy both braid & mono lines what would be the lightest material to make a spool without sacrificing strength? Great News Flash Release video, as always thanks for sharing.
It's quite possible that Roro might release a spool for the new 2020 steez air. I have the alphas ct sv + roro spool and it's amazing. Can only imagine what the Roro spool for the new steez will be. Hopefully it will be under 4g w/ bearing total.
I agree. Daiwa is not always about comming ready stock. They always leave open upgrade for them reels. Roro will make a 28mm spool in the 3 gram range for it.
I always watch your videos and I do like the content. But just a comment, I don’t think the weight difference matter so much here. Moment of inertia from a spool depended way more on how the mass is distributed around the axis than just the mass itself. I=mr^2. In this case they’ve reduced the diameter of the spool which will impact the moment of inertia much more than, for example, replacing a stainless steel shaft by an aluminum one and getting a couple grams there.
Notus Notus I get your point. A smaller diameter will also need to spin faster in order to provide the line. There are multiple factor that many times go against each other. My point is, only looking at spool weight isn’t enough the say the reel won’t be a great caster.
Notus Notus that might be a better option, because you won’t just be removing mass but also mass distributed away from the axis, without paying with line memory or spool speed. Isn’t that what Shimano did for the new Antares they just launched?
Decreasing spool diameter also means decreasing spool starting torque from the force, provided by the lure when you cast... Torque=force*radius... And yes, then the spool should rotate with higher speed for the same lure speed...
But remember I was wanting the Steez Air to cast 0.9 gram trout magnets better than my Aldebaran BFS with Avail spool. 6.6 grams aint gonna cut it no matter how small the diameter.
Tnx 4 the heads Up!
Stronger dense spool at the same time light vs. The t3 spool which is light but less dense but will not handle braid line as the braid line will crush the spool under tension.
I completely agree with you... no sense that it costs so much... The aldebaran with that avail spool costs 200 less.. and that AliExpress spools are more than enough to trow 2 or 1,5 g lures. Additionally it weights like an aldebaran. The cast will be more controlled due to that small spool.. but 600 dollars to have a bfs reel that add nothing to other same category reels .. I am wondering why this thing will be special. I also think that braid can be used without problems with aldebaran or steez Ct
When u gonna do the actual casting of the zephr but put the full ceramic bearings in it trust me raw fishing does it on you tube casts way further than regular bearings
Am I missing something, why do BFS reels use high speed gear ratios w/bigger spools? Both attribute to moving bait faster through the water. When I finesse fish I have to restrain myself from moving it, the last thing I want is more speed. Please explain these contradicting trends. Thanks man.
I think its for a couple of reasons, to make up for smaller diameter spools and bfs started out as pitching light lures for bass. theres alot of bfs reels now with slower gear ratios
I finally caved in and ordered me a steez air, it will be my first steez ever. Some reviewers are saying it cast more effortlessly than the stock Aldebaran bfs.
Well a spool with smaller diameter will turn faster with lighter lures than the bigger spool even with the same spool weight
Why you don’t talk about Daiwa quality over the years? Or maybe most people are interested only how smooth is shimano? How smooth are shimano after couples of years?
Pro staff daiwa told me that the Spool focus on strength to hold braided line, decrease on diameter reducing inertia force to help reduce backlash. A lot bfs reel user such SV light LTD that only hold non-braided line have damage the spool shape coz from their opinion the braided seems shrink after dry. I think it is a reasonable answer coz i did winding used line on coke can and i can see the result in few days. Aftermarket shallow spool also only last for few month from my experience. Bdw, great video and i js share my opinion and some other pro angler experience 👍👍👍
Hello! I picked up one of these new for $175. Is it worth keeping at this price or should I resell and get a gekkobijan vs other?
You can get away using 8 or 10 lb braid. Sounds like a win to me.
For me, Daiwa still has an edge for saltwater reels, but its freshwater reel is getting too expensive. You probably can get a 2020 JDM Met for 35000 yens and it is better than a 47000 yen Steez CT.
I cant argue against that
Do on the water impression video for the new tatula sv and the steez that you got
Im waiting for a nice sunny day on the weekend when I dont work
The Reel Test,
If you have the ability to track sales. Please report back in about 6 to 12 months as to how well this reel is selling. Like you stated it makes you wonder who authorized develpement of this reel with it’s steep price and no real gain in performance. Someone with a spreadsheet miscalculated on this one. Or the Corporate world is convinced the general public is more into status/price vs value and performance.
unfortunately i dont have that ability
This music is sending me lol
Do you take durability into account? It's a G1 duraluminum spool. I'll take the durability over less weight if I'm achieving the same results. Spool weight is only part of the equation. That being said, I'm not getting this reel either.
I personally dont feel the G1 is more durable. As ive stated in the video, ive damaged my G1 spool on the SS Air I have and the Alphas Air just by removing the bearing even when protected with tape. Never had that problem with any other reels
@@THEREELTEST I'm not referring to bearing removal. I'm referring to the actual strength of the spool. I don't do true bfs, nor do I care for heavily ported spools. Daiwas spool lips are indeed fragile, and they rarely survive a drop, but that's mostly user error. I've had no issues with crush or deformation. I'm more power finesse, and find the G1 1012SV and spool from the SV limited serve my purposes well. I feel braking systems, appropriate rod, casting motion - behavior, and sometimes spool bearings play a larger factor in results than the actual spool itself. Generally distances between many spools are relatively marginal. My point is that I wouldn't suggest or recommend not getting this reel, just because of the spool weight. None the less, this reel is ridiculously over priced. Plus it looks like an Okuma to me for some reason.
G1 is irrelevant because the supposedly "lesser" aluminum spooled BFS reels have never had any problems with strength. Its just a marketing ploy to justify charging more money. Also I stated in the video I wanted to be able to replace my Aldebaran (with the 4.2 gram Avail spool) to cast 0.9 gram trout magnets. Spool weight is absolutely critical for that, as ive tried it with the lighter Revo LTX spool (vs Steez Air) and it was not very fishable in my book.
@@THEREELTEST I hear ya. Like I said, I don't do true bfs, but should I ever decide to, I now know somebody who can provide valuable insight. Thx
@@THEREELTEST daiwa's spool bearing pin is located deep into the spool. From my experience you'd need a somewhat specialized pin remover to remove them without touching and preventing damage to the spool.
Not so coincidentally daiwa themselves sell it, something along the name of SLPW Spool Remover or something.
What is the line capacity? Thanks.
Spool weight is not everything. KTF spool weights even more and casts like hell. Important is weight on the outside. Ktf uses heavy stainless shafts and superlight outside material. I belive this is also ktf spool and to give strenght they used ss for shaft and the rotation weight is very small and very small OD of spool will give incredible fast start. I had CT with tuning KTF spool and it is magnificent.
will the KTF spool cast a 0.9 gram trout magnet? My Avail 16ALD15R will
@@THEREELTEST in open space, from shore, where you have place to load the rod I say yes. Did you try to cast in places for which it was designed? Like streams, rivers, with bushes, rocks, where you have to be very precise? That is the reel test for bfs tackle.
can you make a video on the new slx dc 70 and the exsence dc ss
I own alot of steez and there high end Daiwa reels but Shimano is slowly winning me over.I love my metanium and scorpion, next will be a Aldebaran mgl. Might have alot of Daiwas foresale in the near future.
fish what you like :)
Why don't you use braid?
Kevin Youngblut lol you have to actually fish to use braid. This guy just reviews reels. So this probably makes no sense.
Mudbass Fishing the name of the channel is “the reel test”. Might be why he isn’t fishing in the vids? He tests reels. Mean people suck.
@@jimmylarge1148 the problem is there isn't any real testing going on seeing as what are fishing reels used for?? Oh... thats right..... to FISH!!!!
Its not about being mean its about being realistic. This page gives all sorts of bs information then people go buy a 200 dollar reel to fish ponds just because this guys told you its the lightest, fastest, longest casting blah blah blah reel ever!!.... I want to see people actually give REAL content and focus on bettering the sport of fishing.
Mudbass Fishing Im not worried about it :)
THE REEL TEST I just wish there was actual fishing happening for these tests. Long term tests actually using reels... more content that’s relatable.
All this bfs is baloney,a marketing plot, if u want to go ultralite get a 1000 or 1500 spinning rod & reel setup AND TRULY GO ULTRALITE!!
probably same amount of material from 33mm spool so it is stronger 32mm spool compare to 33mm
because EU customers always use thin braid not mono or fluoro, and in the EU market, Daiwa is the bigget brand in every country... Big black-white D logo everywhere, media and fishing shops. Yeah, Daiwa is strong in marketing, Shimano is strong in develeopment. (sorry for my english i use g translate..)
DGxxxK1 I’d disagree. In Scandinavia and I think Germany, Abu and Shimano sell much better than any other brand. Normark, the distributors of Shimano in Scandinavia, are selling many many more Shimano reels than Daiwa reels. Abu is Swedish and that means they have a good grip around the Scandinavian area. We do fish braid on everything though. But I would lie if I said Daiwa is the biggest brand in Europe.
marketing is one thing, but what about sales? most of the European BFS channels I see use Shimano. I do know most Europeans use spinning gear though
In my country, every 10 reels sold over the last 10 years, 7 are Daiwa. Only in the last 2 years has the Shimano been able to increase sales. thanks to the angling/baitcaster groups on facebook. In EU, especially middle and east EU fishing with casting gears is a new thing. (i hope translate is ok... :) )
At that price it better taste good. Holy crap, I hope those fish appreciate how much money we spend on them. I can just picture the carp saying "and you call us suckers?" Oh well, it's all still fun and $pendy!
It's probably 5 grams or under without bearing...My KTF 30 mm spool for Steez CT is 6 grams without bearing so I'm sure this is lighter
its 6.6 without the bearing
That's disappointing, they also removed clicking drag star and audiable drag which Steez CT has to reduce the weight
Yup, it is for braid lines
Reviews of weight doesn't show a performance improvement. Lighter weights is often due to weaker/thinner walls and/or materials. If you want to use super light weight spools, be prepared to get them dented, damaged, etc. I would rather wait for a comparison on the capabilities as opposed to just a weight difference.
like I said in the video, Im going to wait until i see the Japanese youtubers review and cast this reel
Simply this reel doesn't have sense.
Not at this price
Mavllos gbc200 please
The KTF BFS tunes Stezz CT cost around 99.000 Yen+ so the Stezz Air is "cheap"
What's reel you gonna sell??..sell to us..haha
Im actually going to be giving away a ton of reels to my subs... very soon
@@THEREELTEST haaa..that's much better..😀😀😀
Tsurinoya sounds like a better pick and its maybe 70 bucks out the door
There are always hard-core Daiwa and Shimano anglers willing to buy the newest reels every time one comes out. They think it has to be better than last year’s model and can’t wait to show it off to anyone willing to genuflect over it as if it is the best thing since the invention of the wheel. Not!
Nice good product bro 😍👍👍👍👍. #absfishing#absfiahing
A lot of Daiwa fanbois giving the thumbs down.
lol... its ok let them. I never have and never will care what fanboys say or do :)
Nicee daiwa steez 👍
Have you seen the SLX DC 70? Look at Digitaka
What for real?
Peter Lee www.digitaka.com/item.php?item=4969363041791
uploading a video on it tommorrow lol
THE REEL TEST yeyyy
I will never buy this even though I'm a hard Daiwa fan!
If the spool was around 4 grams I would have one already
Very nice bfs daiwa
3:50 because your paying for the name brand
The Chinese spool ain't as tough as the original spool, u can't even put fc line on the spool, u can only use braid for the Chinese one
we will find out soon as i got a couple of spools coming in
THE REEL TEST at least that's wht it says on the official site lmao
just get the steez air tw, whouaou, incredible, better than T3 air...
Wgat other bait finesse reels is there
Adding all the BS tags to prop yourself up in searches? You're better than that.
Its called being intelligent... you should try it out sometime lol
save your money for a t3 air
looks like the T3 Air has been discontinued