The problem was precipitated by the landing WN3117 not clearing at an intersection with room to be clear of 28R. The controller initially tells them to go down to Delta, where there's room to be clear of 28R, but changes his mind to let them use Tango. Obviously there wasn't room for WN3117 to be clear of 28R with UA2065 already there ahead of them, and hence the go-around call to AC781. It appeared there was time for the controller to get UA2065 across 28L allowing WN3117 to clear 28R, but that didn't happen until landing traffic, UA384, was on a two mile final. There's only room for one aircraft on a taxiway between 28R and 28L.
This is the dumbest comment ever written in one of these. And a clear example of how disassociated the public is to reality in regards to what atc does
I just saw one of these where they donit in Berlin. Seems like every major international airport does this due to the sheer amount of traffic... If they didnt then planes would crash sue to running out of fuel. Companies need to ensure proper functioning equipment.
Don't think the NTSB report mentioned anything about them using guard but I know the tower aimed a red flashing spotlight at the pilots but they didn't see it.
If there is a question of an infraction of process, so they do not take up more air time, they as the PIC (Pilot in command) to call the line to have a discussion about what happened. The rule is the pilot can do whatever they want - so long as they can explain it to the FAA when they get on the ground.
Got the infamous copy this number one time but it was to ask me about my having to take evasive action to avoid someone inside the airspace not talking to tower. He got into deep dodo.
Possibly. But that's not what the man in charge decided to do. The incident isn't about what could have been done. It's about one of the parties being oblivious to their landing clearance being canceled because they switch to the ground frequency too early. Which they should never have done. There is no reason to look for other ways to avoid this situation. 100% of the blame falls on the flight crew for turning off communications with the tower before they actually landed.
You also don't know who was stacked up in the patter behind this incident. This could have been the best-timed situation for the outcome. That is a very busy airport and timing is everything.
According to news reports FAA and NTSB officials concluded that the pilots switched to ground frequency after receiving landing clearance. How neither one of them noticed that they were suddelny receiving calls about aircraft getting taxiclearances instead of landing clearances is beyond me. Sadly I wasn't able to find any official incident report on this either so we'll just have to take the media's word for it I guess.
They pretended not to hear the controller. A go-around can mean a delay of at least 20+ minutes as well as thousands of dollars of fuel. The pilots could see the Southwest jet on the runway ahead of them and figured they had plenty of room to land and hold short of it.
@@sean2015 I repeat no Airline Pilot, especially from the likes of Air Canada is going to pretend they did not hear a radio call, especially a go around call. They screwed up and ended up on the wrong Freq at the wrong time. If you can find me a real pilot prepared to ignore a go around call (it takes nothing like 20 minutes to get back in btw) then please do, until then stick to Flight Sims where you can pretend to kill the passengers instead of doing it for real.
The crew on Air Canada 781 was probably listening thinking, "ohhh someone's gonna be in trouble"
Well, at least Air Canada didn't try to land on the taxiway this time.
LMAO frrr tho
Hey if Harrison Ford can do it...... : )
The problem was precipitated by the landing WN3117 not clearing at an intersection with room to be clear of 28R. The controller initially tells them to go down to Delta, where there's room to be clear of 28R, but changes his mind to let them use Tango. Obviously there wasn't room for WN3117 to be clear of 28R with UA2065 already there ahead of them, and hence the go-around call to AC781. It appeared there was time for the controller to get UA2065 across 28L allowing WN3117 to clear 28R, but that didn't happen until landing traffic, UA384, was on a two mile final. There's only room for one aircraft on a taxiway between 28R and 28L.
You do NOT want to be "given a phone number" to "call when you land" as a pilot. EVER. Believe me! No phone numbers!
I hate a frequency change with an area code in front of it!
Maybe that's why the rest of the world doesn't clear an aircraft to land until the runway is, [checks notes] clear for an aircraft to land!
This is the dumbest comment ever written in one of these. And a clear example of how disassociated the public is to reality in regards to what atc does
I just saw one of these where they donit in Berlin.
Seems like every major international airport does this due to the sheer amount of traffic...
If they didnt then planes would crash sue to running out of fuel.
Companies need to ensure proper functioning equipment.
And why did tower not come up on guard frequency to tell them to go around?
They obviously did not want to go around so even if he had contacted them on another frequency he would probably not have responded.
Don't think the NTSB report mentioned anything about them using guard but I know the tower aimed a red flashing spotlight at the pilots but they didn't see it.
How do you know they didn't come up on guard?
too much meowing
Everybody even 781 knows, if you don't do what the tower tells you, you're in trouble. I would like to have listened to that phone call......
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That 781 pilot knew he was in the shit....
English, do you speak it Air Canada 781? Couldn't understand his readbacks.
Try "go around PLEASE, cuz we're all about to be on international TV."
Why is it that every time a pilot makes a mistake atc give them a phone number to call?
report.
because they like dating bad boys!
If there is a question of an infraction of process, so they do not take up more air time, they as the PIC (Pilot in command) to call the line to have a discussion about what happened. The rule is the pilot can do whatever they want - so long as they can explain it to the FAA when they get on the ground.
Got the infamous copy this number one time but it was to ask me about my having to take evasive action to avoid someone inside the airspace not talking to tower. He got into deep dodo.
Did pilots get suspended? Does FAA suspend for this?
is there a chance to find out the punishment for this, since all crimes and arrest are public for lifetime
Air Canada is the WORST!
Could’ve made united go around. And cleared the traffic.
Possibly. But that's not what the man in charge decided to do. The incident isn't about what could have been done. It's about one of the parties being oblivious to their landing clearance being canceled because they switch to the ground frequency too early. Which they should never have done. There is no reason to look for other ways to avoid this situation. 100% of the blame falls on the flight crew for turning off communications with the tower before they actually landed.
You also don't know who was stacked up in the patter behind this incident. This could have been the best-timed situation for the outcome. That is a very busy airport and timing is everything.
So was the pilot just saying radio problem, when he knew it was actually his fault, or ??
No airline pilot is going to knowingly ignore a go around call.
According to news reports FAA and NTSB officials concluded that the pilots switched to ground frequency after receiving landing clearance. How neither one of them noticed that they were suddelny receiving calls about aircraft getting taxiclearances instead of landing clearances is beyond me. Sadly I wasn't able to find any official incident report on this either so we'll just have to take the media's word for it I guess.
@@FlyingBanana320 that’s what I was thinking. They jumped the gun on the ground switch
They pretended not to hear the controller. A go-around can mean a delay of at least 20+ minutes as well as thousands of dollars of fuel. The pilots could see the Southwest jet on the runway ahead of them and figured they had plenty of room to land and hold short of it.
@@sean2015 I repeat no Airline Pilot, especially from the likes of Air Canada is going to pretend they did not hear a radio call, especially a go around call. They screwed up and ended up on the wrong Freq at the wrong time. If you can find me a real pilot prepared to ignore a go around call (it takes nothing like 20 minutes to get back in btw) then please do, until then stick to Flight Sims where you can pretend to kill the passengers instead of doing it for real.
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