Spec Miata is tough because you’re on the limit of the car all the time and what most sim drivers don’t realize is how physical race driving really is.
likewise though, if you're raced IRL and never done sim racing most underestimate the mental fatigue of sim racing as you're calculating a lot more of the car feel through your eyes instead of just feeling it from the Gs. I started out IRL and sim race now cause it's cheaper.
@@liammurray9274 I can't imagine the mental fatigue of sim racing. Even on Forza my biggest weakness is the lack of whole-body physical feedback. I don't race but I can hustle on country lanes (when it's safe to do so) yet I just can't judge braking accurately in Forza/GT4. If I get that same feeling behind the wheel I know it's time to rest up!
@@unclemick-synths I'm used to using a controller, and have a mental map of how a car would react under braking, but that is just playing against AI. Online is a whole nother beast, but I imagine its the same. Tl;Dr: Muscle memory aids in Sim Racing, but getting to the point at which you develop it is very tiring.
I did 3 heats of race karts last week after 6 weeks no gym (injury + vacation) but the day after i had sore muscles in some spots😂 which makes total sense
What's crazy for me is what sets aside good drivers and bad drivers (and this is even assuming both know how to drive on the limit once they know where it's at) is how fast good drivers can figure out where the limits at. Good drivers from my experience can figure out the limit within a few laps and it's crazy
I gotta agree, I was racing a guy at a track a few weeks ago that was new to both of us. I did a test day on Friday that he skipped on and started the weekend faster than him but by the Sunday race he was almost a second faster per lap. Just insane
I'm pretty sure they know suspension design and vectors of forces very well, and know beforehand what to expect at what speed, angle and use that for mind projection. What works in one car, often doesn't work in one that is built differently. Mind projection on the other hand is important part of fighter pilot training, or at least used to be. Soviet ace schools would make pilots draw lines how they would pilot their planes in response to specific attack. They were drawing those lines for hours, under guidance of veteran aces, and once going into a jet for simulated fight, they had very clear image of how to direct the plane.
@gabeorlowitzracing Dont forget the fear factor. Think about the Death Chicane or the uphill downhill section of Bathurst. Normal people slow wayy down in tougher corners, especially those where a mistake means terrible crash. And ever in normal curves, normal people can't hit the limits because of that fear factor.
My impression of racing was weird. It is both easier than sim games because you feel, see and hear so much more so its easier to communicate with the vehicle but in the same time I was shocked how much of racing is on absolute edge grip. ANother thing is how much physical exertion it is. My neck was painful for a week lol.
Good observation, I would generally say it’s easier to drive a real car because of all the feedback, but it’s not necessarily easier to race a real car on the limit since it’s such a fine line, and because there’s no reset button 😁
@@gabeorlowitzracing Exactly! Its hard to drive on edge when you have life on the line or at least very expensive repairs! Another observation was how much racing technique for cars applies to normal motorcycle riding (position for turns, balance weight transfer etc.). After starting motorcycling my car driving skills improved a lot.
This is why you need to work out if you want to compete on a higher level. The more you train you body the easier this gets. I started working out because I wanted to race. It truly works wonders
You really are carrying the entire load. When I raced, we had techs and other support crew so we could just show up and drive. Keep up the good work. My partners and coaches were F1 World Champs and top pros, though I was below that level. One thing that an F1 champ encouraged me to do was relax my grip, starting at the fingers, then soft wrists, and all up through the shoulders. You look (and only from what I can see in a little video on a screen) like you might have a bit of a club grip. The outer two joints of your fingers (farthest from your knuckles) should be the primary point of contact with the wheel. Most of the time, the fat part of your palm (closest to your wrist) doesn't even need to touch the wheel - when you sense something going wrong/loss of control, you may want to slightly increase the roundness of your grip, but generally your fingers should be splayed out like they teach for a tennis racquet grip, with progressively larger splays between the fingers as you move away from the pinky and the largest gap between the ring finger and index finger. Your goal is an elastic connection with the wheel where the ends of your fingers are actually very sensitive to the most minute feedback from the wheel. Think about Robert Plant or John Mayer - they can't play well with a tight fist of fingers. They have the tips of their fingers connecting with the guitar allowing them to have the most finessed inputs and feel the most subtle feedback from the guitar. Love your channel - great endeavor! And yes, racing is as much fun as one can have with their clothes on!! Be well.
Wow that’s fantastic advice that I’ll need to try out. You know I was just thinking about this the other day, how it is a ton of work handling all the logistics, not having a crew to work on the car, and trying to learn how to drive and race at the same time. I would love to be part of a team so I can focus more on driving and soak up all the knowledge of everyone around me. Thanks for watching!
@@gabeorlowitzracing I just came across this video of Ferrari's test driver showing the reviewer around Ferrari's Fiorano test track in Maranello. You can see in the camera shot as soon as they start driving how Rafaelli's fingers are splayed on the wheel: th-cam.com/video/qlvMRTQ6-X0/w-d-xo.html
I'm 66 now and no longer race, but I did exactly what you did way back when. This is a good video. You explain it well. What you learn really early is that whatever you thought fast was before? It isn't. Nobody who has never raced - like, for real - has no idea just how fast racing speed actually is. And along with all those other things you talked about, it's actually physically demanding too. But man, did I ever love it! Most fun you can have with your clothes on.
@@gabeorlowitzracing Gabe, anyone can go fast in a straight line. Racing is about car control, feeling for the limit, working everything you've got for that extra ounce. That's racing. Racing speed comes when you are right in there with the other drivers who are also good. You are right at the limit in all situations (yes, strategy matters, but it's relative, you are still pushing the envelope). I wish you the best of success. Miata's are good cars, though not particularly fast. But they sure handle well, and a good driver can pull all the performance they can deliver. There are so many variables. Car prep. Budget, which affects everything - from tires, to brakes, to set-up, to crash recovery and repairs after a bad weekend. It's the nature of the game. That's something. If you race, you will crash. Sometimes, you will do so all by yourself. Other times you will be collected by somebody else. And other times, you will simply arrive on a scene right in front of you that you can't do anything about and you just drive into it. That is the nature of racing.
As a hobby rally driver I can confirm that all the aspects you mentioned also apply in rally racing. Perhaps the only difference compared to circuit racing is that there is less room for error, so even a small mistake can hurt you a lot (financially and also physically).
I just found your account and based on the video I thought you were a big time racing youtuber with loads of experience making videos. You being such a small youtuber with already THIS kind of content you're going far man, keep at it!
8 years ago I started going to trackdays at my local racetracks here in Argentina. It's a mind-blowing experience. I did 1 trackday monthly but sometimes 2 or 3 weekends in a month 😅😅😅. Did them in special events at night, even several of them called "200km of Buenos Aires" when you go nonstop for 200km... One of them at night. But despite buying better and faster cars over the years... I always wanted to race in a real racing car. Congratulations mate! 👏🏻
If you experience the Pan Americana in and around Buenos Aires, you will probably be bored by most race tracks in the world. Totally mad driving. More like a video game than a video game. Un abrazo, amigo.
Motorcycle racer here! Yeah the toll it takes on your body is bruuuuutal. Didn't expect that stuff when I went in. I'm nowhere near the top of the field and I've been humbled so many times now lol
As a car enthusiast first, I ride every now and then, and when I did my first track day on my 300cc bike, I was drop dead tired by the end of the day. You guys are truly on a different world
Enjoying the video smiling and nodding and then wait a second. I know that hill, I know that turn, I know that pit lane, I know that slightly curved downhill then uphill front "straight" into a blind left hander over a crest. That's Palmer! And then I was hooked. Great video! Keep it up.
@@liammurray9274 I always felt like People with the right attitude and lack of unnecessary fear were able to pick up racing much faster than people who are unsure of themselves. When I see someone try karting for example and he or she spins out a lot, that person will improve much more than the people who are just way under the limit.
@@TheInsaiyan I see your point yet I think depending on the people and situation, it might be the exact opposite that applies. People who lack confidence in their skills or are too afraid to mess up can also have a tendency to overdo it trying to face their fear and take on the challenge. Like, they're forcing themselves to act as if they're in control even tho they aren't. So they'll push very hard while having no idea what they're doing and the slightest unpredictable event happening will completely catch them off-guard and send them into full panic mode. And that's when they screw themselves up. So I think there's more to it than just tossing fear aside and shooting your shot to learn. I think you should work on finding and slowly pushing your own limits before you try learning the limits of the car. Cars especially modern ones can often handle much more than their drivers. Most people will be thrown off by the mere feeling of g force in acceleration or during a corner. I know because I've experienced it myself on a track. The car was fine, it was me who was struggling to deal with the sensation cause when you're not used to it, it makes you feel like you're gonna lose control. Spinning out won't teach people anything if they can't grasp what caused it. So while someone who already has good awareness and control of themselves will sure learn faster by challenging themselves and making mistakes, between two people who struggle with that first part, the one who'll learn the fastest is the one who stays under the limit until they feel confident enough to start threading it.
Well said. Agree 100%. Which is why they start them young, to find and learn the edge. Plus, there’s the fear of crashing and killing yourself to overcome
This video is so correct. The more I progress in my journey the more I regret not starting earlier in life. I’m 49 now with the goal of club racing in retirement. I’m doing HPDE now and getting faster all the time. Thanks for the explanation that I can use to help the people in my life understand.
Awesome explanation. I love the analogy of the line that you use, especially when you made it a curvy line. WELL DONE! Really appreciate the time you put into this!
I have the utmost respect for racers like you who can spend the time, money, and psychological frustrations that comes with racing. I absolutely love the experience of driving but I’ll stick to sim/arcade racing for my fix.
So true. The more I do it, the more I learn just how challenging it is to pursue this. For now I’m trying to learn as much as possible and see how far I can get.
Got involved in motorsports on the Flagging and Comms side. Learned so much about racing and the culture and have kinda accepted that track days are where my limit is. Once I feel good at those and have some money, I may consider racing but that is a different element
You've nailed it with the concept. Too slow, go home. Too fast, go home. Even if you are good at negotiating a performance car around a track, as you said, there are soo many other factors when it comes to actually racing them.
Really good video very informative. I’ve been racing for a couple of years myself. I built a Porsche Cayman into a race car, and now I’m racing a Rush SR. I look forward to following your racing adventures.
Best explanation! The most challenging part is not doing a one hot lap, but to battle other fast drivers especially when both of you are not on the ideal line.
Getting past those drivers that your going full tilt with is another thing as well. When you’re pushing that limit of grip and just need to find that tiny bit more to outpace someone on track, it’s a visceral experience, that’s for sure. (Sim racer that went to a K1 Kart track for 3 races)
Everyone always does SPEC Miata and to the many that do i applaud you cuz thats the easiest way to show what real racing is when you pass karting. Its an engine on wheels that has the room of a roller-coaster seat racking you G for G every stop, start, and turn. I personally cant fit in it so i play sim with the car
Agree! Miata racing is very good racing. Racers will race if all they have is milk trucks, but the Miata is a great platform, reasonably affordable, and loads of fun.
my uncle drove stock cars, making it to the Menards series (it was the Hooters series at the time). he said racing is to normal driving what running the 110m hurdles is to going for a morning jog. you just can't fake the hurdles, you've either practiced it and can do it or you cant
Used to take my s2k on a 100 mile loop in some very quiet norcal hills. Learned how tiring it is to drive at my own limit for an hour at a time. Would love to try a track one day.
I have to check out your videos but some technical maneuvering could be of a lot of interest. Stuff that you might give for granted could be of a lot of interest for the regular aficionado as myself. Your thoughts on tire choice. How to approach a curve in the real world racing. Are you actually rev matching in race? Are you paying attention to your RPMs during race or is it a field thing? Your positioning in the seat, the hands, steering technique, fingers, mechanical insights, what kind of physical conditioning do racers typically do, etc. Sometimes a simple graph is worth a million words. Like the grip line. It is eye opening… Thanks. I look forward to you content
@@perosa99 thanks for the great suggestions. I’m no expert here on technical stuff, still very much learning, so I want to be authentic to my voice and not pretend I know all the answers. Will think about how to speak on these things in such a way.
As you grow in your own journey we will appreciate your insights. Sometimes you can just start the conversation and hopefully the community can add. Again, I thought this one was great
@@MrOscarSthlm awesome! What kind of videos would you like to see? I’m still learning what resonates on TH-cam vs what doesn’t (spoiler, most doesn’t 🙂)
As a veteran car driver (and driving God, or so I thought!) who has only recently stayed doing trackdays (so not even real racing), I agree, absolutely no comparison. On the road, I might take a corner or two quickly, on the track I'm trying to find the limit of grip on every corner lap after lap, and I find it mentally and physically hard.
Kudos to you Miata guys but I used to have BIG problems with you. As a "secomd" class to race with my GT2 Porsche 928 on scca race weekends I also entered ITE, which spec miatas ran in. They seemed so involved with each other and often were doing bone-head moves, ignoring the fact that there were others in the race, too. I even had one use me to make what he called a "bank-pass" on another one...rammed me intentionally to bounce off and get ahead of another one. You do give a good idea of racing. It's not a track day at all. The fast line through a lap....not as important as staying in front. Sometimes you sit on a leader and go easy while your tires come back, then make the pass at the right time. Even getting to the start, well prepared, that's not simple.
I wanted to go racing since I was 5 too. I was close to this world my whole life, just not there. At 28, I bought my own drifting car and entered the national championship. The sport is so much fun and beautiful, but if you cannot do everything by yourself, the whole racing world is just a rip-off. To do everything by your own becomes a nightmare rather than a joy, not to say that is kind of impossible to do literally everything by your own. So yes, going out for the first training with my own drifting car I had joy tears in my eyes that I couldn’t and didn’t want to stop. Going to the first race and again, joy tears in my eyes. I was there…where I always wanted to be…finally, I’m doing it. Then…being there, in that world, huge disappointment strikes. I’ve realized the level of rip-off being practiced (don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking about costs, I expected high costs, I’m talking big rip-off) and how mean people in this world usually are…I was so disappointed…I quitted after the first race. Didn’t want to hear anything about this world anymore. I could barely enjoy normal driving too (high traffic playing a role too). But guess what…I still wanted to enjoy an activity and eventually doing DIY stuff because I like it. I remembered when I was a kid I liked to ride bikes. I bought a MTB and all the tools I need for it. I’m not a pro, just a guy enjoying riding in the park, going to some amateur contests and maintaining the bike parts. This thing brought me more joy that racing world ever could. I didn’t need racing in my life, I just needed to find something I love and I can do. Just find something you can live for and you can live with. I still enjoy going to some rental karting sessions from time to time though. I love engineering, I love competition and I love cars, I just realized I don’t like racing world.
I'm a Formula 1 and IndyCar fan, have been for a long time. Ones I went GoCarting with my son while it was wet. It was hilariously fun but afterwords I promised never to make fun of race car driver spinning of in wet conditions. They're super profesional and I admire what hey can do with a vehicle.
And how do we win? By staying consistently on that line, one thing you should have stressed is consistency without it there are no W's. The ability to consistently manage all the different things that are going on is the difference between a champion and a back marker. Other than that, great video.
I find race instinct is much more important that lap times , because even if you dont do mistakes others can welp , and you need to avoid not only your mistakes but also others. I think most of the racing drivers start shining in the wet and show their real potential , wet racing is different because conditions are changing very fast , track could be flooded but in 15 min be less wet or dry out
Always wanted to race but never had the money or balls at the same time. I've tried to learn to heal toe but just for the life of me can't get it. Really enjoyed the video!
Yea I feel you. I recommend saving up for racing school. Either you’ll love it and want to pursue it, or you’ll realize it’s not for you, but either way I don’t think you’d regret the experience. Plus they can teach you how to heel toe 😊
Heel and toe is usually more the side of your right foot blipping the accelerator. If it's still awkward owing to the particular pedal layout in your car, get someone to make you an accelerator pedal extender. Practice on an empty straight piece of road without really braking much. Only when you have it grooved should you try putting force on the brake pedal.
I've never raced a real car, just sim with iRacing, but I have played other sports and have been a fan of racing since I was 5 (I'm 40). Whenever it comes up, I always point out that racecar drivers are probably the most underrated athletes and the skill it takes is also probably the most under appreaciated of all the sports because people drive cars every day and just assume there is some sort of correlation when there's not. I try to explain that pro drivers are just as good at what they do as any other pro athelte is at their craft, but they're at much higher risk which is why it's a more difficult sport. The mental aspect of racing at the highest levels, when death is an actual possibility is what sets it apart. Everything in your body is telling you to slow down or be more cautious in an attempt of self preservation, but somehow you push through it lap after lap, corner after corner. I remember when I first got on iRacing. I knew it wouldn't be easy, so I tested for the first week by myself just to get a feel for it. I had played the PC games that the same developers had made years prior, so I was somewhat familar with how it would be, but I remember the first time I tried actually going fast at Pocono, feeling all the bumps through the wheel and just doing everything I could to hang on. It was so easy to spin out on the exits of all three corners there. To someone that didn't understand racing, they probably would have thought it was "unrealistic," how difficult it was. I loved that it was a challenge though and it just made me want to do it even more. I feel like if I ever got in a real race car, they'd have to knock me unconscious to get me out of the car haha
Couple months ago I bought Gran Turismo 7 and all the accessories including the chair. I was absolutely amazed it what goes into driving these cars. Both in the driving skills and the car's actual mechanics which allow all the different parts to work together. I am absolutely an awe a professional drivers now. The average person doesn't get it. And the top all of it you may be a good driver and have a great car but now you've had to compete against other cars on a racetrack at very high speeds and they're trying to beat you. One mistake and you're off the road. Unfortunately, I found it nearly impossible to explain the difficulty in driving race cars to others. They are under the total misconception that going fast and a straight line is the same as being on a race course. I love the simulator but real life is still a lot different. So stay with my simulator and let you guys race. I'll be in the stands cheering. Now that I have a better grasp of what you're actually doing.
great video. it was good to hear your thoughts and appreciate you sharing your feedback. i hope one day to get a car i can use for racing but for now im practicing and learning with my sim rig :) look forward to your future videos
Thanks for watching! Let me know what else you’d like to hear. Practicing on the sim will get you that much more prepared when it’s time to get the real car.
On top of the driving-at-the-limit game, you have the Racecraft -- that is, how do you get past other cars that really don't want to let you past? I raced SCCA Spec Miata myself, and to me that's the really fun part! 🥰🤪
Driving racing cars is way harder than most people expect because most of them are using sim racing as a reference point. On the track, there are high speeds, high amounts of forces and no reload button if you crash.
Car set up has a big influence on being able to approach the limit of adhesion and drive there. The more you learn about set up, the easier driving can be and the more competitive you can be. You should not continuously be on the "razor edge". The more you drive and race, the easier it gets. The less you "fight" the better you will perform and good results will follow.
Car setup is unquestionably important and surely it gets easier with more practice, but regardless, if you’re not on the edge of grip, then there’s still more grip to be had and therefore you’re not going fast enough.
@@gabeorlowitzracing "Razor edge", as you mentioned, is different than "the edge of grip". Maybe you can prevail on the razor edge during a short sprint race, but over a longer race distance, you will want to drive at a pace both driver and car can accommodate. That can still be close to max grip, fast, with a margin for heat-wear and safety in traffic. Just my humble opinion, having done a lot of endurance and sprint races.
I thought you would talk about the difference between a time atack when you are alone vs having a lot of other cars side to side blocking each other. Anyway it is a great video thanks for sharing
Thanks! I’d say the same principle applies to time attack, if not even more since there’s no race craft involved and it’s purely driving. If you’re not on the limit in time attack, you’re not fast enough, and some other driver will be on the limit faster than you. Right?
What I hate about racing and motorsport in general is that, no matter how good your innate or trained ability to do it is, you’re not doing it unless you have substantial financial backing. Awful bitter reality.
@@gabeorlowitzracing Unfortunate part is having to endure watching less than adequate drivers doing it from the sidelines, simply because they can afford it. I don’t envy seeing proper talent behind the wheel that was lucky to get proper backing, but when I see talentless flops driving around it does my head in. Oh well, rant over.
When people found out I raced sports cars (NASA NorCal SpecE30) they automatically assumed that I liked to drive fast (they also assumed I raced on big oval tracks). I would tell them that it’s not about the speed, you don’t ever think about how fast you’re going…it’s all about the competition. It’s the 30 minute chess game at 80 mph that makes folks want to race.
So true, so relatable! People say oh you like to go fast, and I think to myself, no more than a football player likes to run fast. Raw top speed is just a byproduct of the sport, not the thing we’re chasing. Thanks for sharing your insight!
There is more depth to the line that you probably don’t know is there. The really good drivers can utilize this depth to lap faster than the average drivers. They are able to go faster through the turns, brake later, etc because they are better able to interpret and utilize the messages the contact patches are sending them.
@@gabeorlowitzracing what're your favorites? I hear people say they like limerick better but it seems boring compared to palmer. Palmers has multiple different types of curves different changes in heights going thru them I feel like it has more to offer than like rock, but I haven't driven there yet only on their practice autox course
Well explained. 👏 i know i can drive close to grip limits for a few corners in a row.... but lap after lap under pressure like you are doing.... no chance 😅
That’s exactly how I felt when I started at 30! I realized that I’d always have excuses, and the only choice was whether I’d listen to them or not. Watch my older videos if you want to see how I managed pushing through those excuses early on. It wasn’t easy but it’s been worth it!
Racing isn't so hard as this guy explained. He just wants to be professional today without years of practicing. 😁 Of course it is hard. No one becomes professional for a short period of time.
Well said! A good driver knows or figured out the limits of the car within 1-3 laps. But if I were you or anyone thats serious about racing for adult you'd buy 125cc none shifter gokart. You'll learn a lot more for a lot less and be faster than most. There's a reason why F1 drivers all former kart champion. And im not talkimg about pos indoor kart either.
I've raced, Moto Gp Jr. Jr. Drag racing, Super cross, Enduro, Motocross, all of it. I won ribbons, awards, plaques, plates, medals, trophies. Yes, I was, great at almost everything. In simple, what he says in this video is accurate. Have a team, tight racing. Find what you like. Enjoy and love it. I have won, been ahead very far, lapped many times racers. Burned the crap out of me. It was freaking boarding, being so far ahead. Had a love hate for it. People are jealous by nature. They suck, on another level. Let them suck, they are great at it. If you are good practice, ask the people better than you how they do it. Watch them, you might be able to be better. Learn from your mistakes. Then die from going too high, far, or too fast. Just kidding, we all have a limit. I am still alive, because I knew, when.... Name it I did it, How High, yeah that too.
You didn't even mention the stress on your body! That's another thing people who think "racing is just driving fast" don't understand. Taking a 20 mph off ramp at 45 mph will get you feeling some g-forces, but nothing like the g-forces you're feeling in every turn, every lap, going around a road course as fast as possible, for hundreds of miles. It takes a toll on you.
For me the issue is not even dedication or money it's just finding racing series or amateur categories where I'll actually be able to race. Europe is completely flooded with FIA rules and regulations and even time attack events or small championships simply do not exist as you need a FIA passport for your car, up to date gear that cost a hell lot and have a limited time of use, and you need a license and every car you can race are at least 20k and need 10k more mods to be able to just pass inspection. I don't want to race in F1, I just want an amateur series where I can learn and have fun... Like you would find in Japan or the UK !!
I don’t know much about the local European series but that sounds tough. I’d stick to karting and sim racing while I meet people, hoping I came across some lower cost series I could afford.
Spec Miata is tough because you’re on the limit of the car all the time and what most sim drivers don’t realize is how physical race driving really is.
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likewise though, if you're raced IRL and never done sim racing most underestimate the mental fatigue of sim racing as you're calculating a lot more of the car feel through your eyes instead of just feeling it from the Gs. I started out IRL and sim race now cause it's cheaper.
@@liammurray9274 I can't imagine the mental fatigue of sim racing. Even on Forza my biggest weakness is the lack of whole-body physical feedback. I don't race but I can hustle on country lanes (when it's safe to do so) yet I just can't judge braking accurately in Forza/GT4. If I get that same feeling behind the wheel I know it's time to rest up!
@@unclemick-synths I'm used to using a controller, and have a mental map of how a car would react under braking, but that is just playing against AI. Online is a whole nother beast, but I imagine its the same.
Tl;Dr: Muscle memory aids in Sim Racing, but getting to the point at which you develop it is very tiring.
I did 3 heats of race karts last week after 6 weeks no gym (injury + vacation) but the day after i had sore muscles in some spots😂 which makes total sense
This is the part most regular people don’t understand about racing
True, and that’s why I made the video! Hoping to share what I’ve been learning about this crazy sport.
The only people who don't ( understand ) are 40 and younger. The average person over 40 knows more than you will ever know.
@@caledoniawarrior i mean, it doesn't seem like it, most people i know that don't understand this are over 65
What's crazy for me is what sets aside good drivers and bad drivers (and this is even assuming both know how to drive on the limit once they know where it's at) is how fast good drivers can figure out where the limits at. Good drivers from my experience can figure out the limit within a few laps and it's crazy
Very true, I’m always impressed by that. Though I would say this is the difference between good and great, rather than good and bad.
I gotta agree, I was racing a guy at a track a few weeks ago that was new to both of us. I did a test day on Friday that he skipped on and started the weekend faster than him but by the Sunday race he was almost a second faster per lap. Just insane
@@frostblght 😩
I'm pretty sure they know suspension design and vectors of forces very well, and know beforehand what to expect at what speed, angle and use that for mind projection. What works in one car, often doesn't work in one that is built differently. Mind projection on the other hand is important part of fighter pilot training, or at least used to be. Soviet ace schools would make pilots draw lines how they would pilot their planes in response to specific attack. They were drawing those lines for hours, under guidance of veteran aces, and once going into a jet for simulated fight, they had very clear image of how to direct the plane.
@gabeorlowitzracing Dont forget the fear factor.
Think about the Death Chicane or the uphill downhill section of Bathurst.
Normal people slow wayy down in tougher corners, especially those where a mistake means terrible crash. And ever in normal curves, normal people can't hit the limits because of that fear factor.
My impression of racing was weird. It is both easier than sim games because you feel, see and hear so much more so its easier to communicate with the vehicle but in the same time I was shocked how much of racing is on absolute edge grip. ANother thing is how much physical exertion it is. My neck was painful for a week lol.
Good observation, I would generally say it’s easier to drive a real car because of all the feedback, but it’s not necessarily easier to race a real car on the limit since it’s such a fine line, and because there’s no reset button 😁
@@gabeorlowitzracing Exactly! Its hard to drive on edge when you have life on the line or at least very expensive repairs!
Another observation was how much racing technique for cars applies to normal motorcycle riding (position for turns, balance weight transfer etc.). After starting motorcycling my car driving skills improved a lot.
This is why you need to work out if you want to compete on a higher level. The more you train you body the easier this gets. I started working out because I wanted to race. It truly works wonders
Agree, I had to step up my cardio workout so that my heart can keep up with the car.
You really are carrying the entire load. When I raced, we had techs and other support crew so we could just show up and drive. Keep up the good work. My partners and coaches were F1 World Champs and top pros, though I was below that level. One thing that an F1 champ encouraged me to do was relax my grip, starting at the fingers, then soft wrists, and all up through the shoulders. You look (and only from what I can see in a little video on a screen) like you might have a bit of a club grip. The outer two joints of your fingers (farthest from your knuckles) should be the primary point of contact with the wheel. Most of the time, the fat part of your palm (closest to your wrist) doesn't even need to touch the wheel - when you sense something going wrong/loss of control, you may want to slightly increase the roundness of your grip, but generally your fingers should be splayed out like they teach for a tennis racquet grip, with progressively larger splays between the fingers as you move away from the pinky and the largest gap between the ring finger and index finger. Your goal is an elastic connection with the wheel where the ends of your fingers are actually very sensitive to the most minute feedback from the wheel. Think about Robert Plant or John Mayer - they can't play well with a tight fist of fingers. They have the tips of their fingers connecting with the guitar allowing them to have the most finessed inputs and feel the most subtle feedback from the guitar. Love your channel - great endeavor! And yes, racing is as much fun as one can have with their clothes on!! Be well.
Wow that’s fantastic advice that I’ll need to try out.
You know I was just thinking about this the other day, how it is a ton of work handling all the logistics, not having a crew to work on the car, and trying to learn how to drive and race at the same time. I would love to be part of a team so I can focus more on driving and soak up all the knowledge of everyone around me.
Thanks for watching!
@@gabeorlowitzracing I just came across this video of Ferrari's test driver showing the reviewer around Ferrari's Fiorano test track in Maranello. You can see in the camera shot as soon as they start driving how Rafaelli's fingers are splayed on the wheel: th-cam.com/video/qlvMRTQ6-X0/w-d-xo.html
I believe you. If it was about driving fast only anyone could be a racer.
That’s right
I'd say money is the bigger hurddle for most people.
I'm 66 now and no longer race, but I did exactly what you did way back when. This is a good video. You explain it well. What you learn really early is that whatever you thought fast was before? It isn't. Nobody who has never raced - like, for real - has no idea just how fast racing speed actually is. And along with all those other things you talked about, it's actually physically demanding too. But man, did I ever love it! Most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Thanks for sharing! Yea I want to make a video on what most people don’t understand about racing.
@@gabeorlowitzracing Gabe, anyone can go fast in a straight line. Racing is about car control, feeling for the limit, working everything you've got for that extra ounce. That's racing.
Racing speed comes when you are right in there with the other drivers who are also good. You are right at the limit in all situations (yes, strategy matters, but it's relative, you are still pushing the envelope).
I wish you the best of success. Miata's are good cars, though not particularly fast. But they sure handle well, and a good driver can pull all the performance they can deliver. There are so many variables. Car prep. Budget, which affects everything - from tires, to brakes, to set-up, to crash recovery and repairs after a bad weekend. It's the nature of the game.
That's something. If you race, you will crash. Sometimes, you will do so all by yourself. Other times you will be collected by somebody else. And other times, you will simply arrive on a scene right in front of you that you can't do anything about and you just drive into it. That is the nature of racing.
As a hobby rally driver I can confirm that all the aspects you mentioned also apply in rally racing. Perhaps the only difference compared to circuit racing is that there is less room for error, so even a small mistake can hurt you a lot (financially and also physically).
I just found your account and based on the video I thought you were a big time racing youtuber with loads of experience making videos. You being such a small youtuber with already THIS kind of content you're going far man, keep at it!
That’s great to hear man! Thank you for tuning in.
8 years ago I started going to trackdays at my local racetracks here in Argentina. It's a mind-blowing experience. I did 1 trackday monthly but sometimes 2 or 3 weekends in a month 😅😅😅. Did them in special events at night, even several of them called "200km of Buenos Aires" when you go nonstop for 200km... One of them at night. But despite buying better and faster cars over the years... I always wanted to race in a real racing car. Congratulations mate! 👏🏻
That’s so cool! I’d love to race in Argentina 😁
If you experience the Pan Americana in and around Buenos Aires, you will probably be bored by most race tracks in the world. Totally mad driving. More like a video game than a video game. Un abrazo, amigo.
Just randomly saw this video on my feed and started watching. It was over before I knew it! Nice work my man 👍🏾
Thanks for tuning in!
Motorcycle racer here! Yeah the toll it takes on your body is bruuuuutal. Didn't expect that stuff when I went in. I'm nowhere near the top of the field and I've been humbled so many times now lol
That’s on another level of crazy!
Motorcycle racing is much harder than car racing. You're not going to fall out of the car, and the consequences for a mistake are easily more severe.
As a car enthusiast first, I ride every now and then, and when I did my first track day on my 300cc bike, I was drop dead tired by the end of the day. You guys are truly on a different world
Enjoying the video smiling and nodding and then wait a second. I know that hill, I know that turn, I know that pit lane, I know that slightly curved downhill then uphill front "straight" into a blind left hander over a crest. That's Palmer! And then I was hooked. Great video! Keep it up.
@@asiegel87 you got it!
It depends on your own talent. Some have the feeling for vehicles and how they move and slide and some dont.
Absolutely.
You can totally learn this talent though, with time, effort, repetition. Some definitely pick it up far quicker than others though of course.
@@liammurray9274 I always felt like People with the right attitude and lack of unnecessary fear were able to pick up racing much faster than people who are unsure of themselves.
When I see someone try karting for example and he or she spins out a lot, that person will improve much more than the people who are just way under the limit.
@@TheInsaiyan I see your point yet I think depending on the people and situation, it might be the exact opposite that applies. People who lack confidence in their skills or are too afraid to mess up can also have a tendency to overdo it trying to face their fear and take on the challenge. Like, they're forcing themselves to act as if they're in control even tho they aren't.
So they'll push very hard while having no idea what they're doing and the slightest unpredictable event happening will completely catch them off-guard and send them into full panic mode. And that's when they screw themselves up.
So I think there's more to it than just tossing fear aside and shooting your shot to learn. I think you should work on finding and slowly pushing your own limits before you try learning the limits of the car. Cars especially modern ones can often handle much more than their drivers. Most people will be thrown off by the mere feeling of g force in acceleration or during a corner. I know because I've experienced it myself on a track. The car was fine, it was me who was struggling to deal with the sensation cause when you're not used to it, it makes you feel like you're gonna lose control. Spinning out won't teach people anything if they can't grasp what caused it.
So while someone who already has good awareness and control of themselves will sure learn faster by challenging themselves and making mistakes, between two people who struggle with that first part, the one who'll learn the fastest is the one who stays under the limit until they feel confident enough to start threading it.
I recently started SIM RACING and I was angry why I am not consistent and fast enough, but now I understand much better! So thx and keep up!
Oh yea it’s so difficult. Keep up the practice!
This video does an excellent job of explaining how racing differs from regular driving and the challenges it presents.
Thank you! That was my goal.
Well said. Agree 100%. Which is why they start them young, to find and learn the edge. Plus, there’s the fear of crashing and killing yourself to overcome
That is a real fear!
This is the most beautifully and well put together speech about racing. As a motorcycle racer I appreciate it.
Glad to hear!
This video is so correct. The more I progress in my journey the more I regret not starting earlier in life. I’m 49 now with the goal of club racing in retirement. I’m doing HPDE now and getting faster all the time. Thanks for the explanation that I can use to help the people in my life understand.
Thanks and good luck!
THIS DEFINITELY MAKES ME WANNA START RACING. been wrestling with the thought for a couple of years now, maybe you inspire me to finally start.
I second this decision!
Not only is the line changing because of the track surface, tires, etc, it changes based on your technique too.
Yep!
Awesome explanation. I love the analogy of the line that you use, especially when you made it a curvy line. WELL DONE! Really appreciate the time you put into this!
Glad you enjoyed! I had fun making this one.
I have the utmost respect for racers like you who can spend the time, money, and psychological frustrations that comes with racing. I absolutely love the experience of driving but I’ll stick to sim/arcade racing for my fix.
So true. The more I do it, the more I learn just how challenging it is to pursue this. For now I’m trying to learn as much as possible and see how far I can get.
@@gabeorlowitzracing don’t ever give up on your passion and thank you for providing us with your knowledge and entertainment.
Got involved in motorsports on the Flagging and Comms side. Learned so much about racing and the culture and have kinda accepted that track days are where my limit is. Once I feel good at those and have some money, I may consider racing but that is a different element
Being a corner worker is a great way into the sport! Thanks for your work
That's one of the cleanest and good looking racing footage I've ever seen. idk what your camera is or how it's set up, but damn you nailed it!
Appreciate it! It’s just a GoPro hero 10. I don’t like how it moves side to side but otherwise it’s nice and crisp.
You've nailed it with the concept. Too slow, go home. Too fast, go home. Even if you are good at negotiating a performance car around a track, as you said, there are soo many other factors when it comes to actually racing them.
I’m keyboard racer, but I’m fascinated with Sena’s “PWM” throttling technique: It is a constant sampling of the limit in a catchable way.
Yea! Love to see the greats at work like that.
gave a whole new perspective. thanks!
My pleasure!
Really good video very informative. I’ve been racing for a couple of years myself. I built a Porsche Cayman into a race car, and now I’m racing a Rush SR. I look forward to following your racing adventures.
So cool! Rush sounds incredible. Thanks for watching!
Best explanation! The most challenging part is not doing a one hot lap, but to battle other fast drivers especially when both of you are not on the ideal line.
Very true
Getting past those drivers that your going full tilt with is another thing as well. When you’re pushing that limit of grip and just need to find that tiny bit more to outpace someone on track, it’s a visceral experience, that’s for sure. (Sim racer that went to a K1 Kart track for 3 races)
Everyone always does SPEC Miata and to the many that do i applaud you cuz thats the easiest way to show what real racing is when you pass karting. Its an engine on wheels that has the room of a roller-coaster seat racking you G for G every stop, start, and turn.
I personally cant fit in it so i play sim with the car
It’s a thrill for sure
Agree! Miata racing is very good racing. Racers will race if all they have is milk trucks, but the Miata is a great platform, reasonably affordable, and loads of fun.
Very cool video. Big soccer guy but to me racing and fighting are the hardest sports not to mention that it’s life or death even when well prepared.
Thanks! There’s definitely a realness to racing that gives you no choice but to be fully alert.
my uncle drove stock cars, making it to the Menards series (it was the Hooters series at the time). he said racing is to normal driving what running the 110m hurdles is to going for a morning jog. you just can't fake the hurdles, you've either practiced it and can do it or you cant
I would certainly agree with your uncle!
Used to take my s2k on a 100 mile loop in some very quiet norcal hills. Learned how tiring it is to drive at my own limit for an hour at a time. Would love to try a track one day.
Sounds like bliss!
Every turn is about covering up your mistakes, gets worse with traffic. Flirting with the limit consistently is so hard
That was so well explained, the line grip! That’s what it is about. Thank you from a race aficionado. Keep up the great work and content 👍🏼
Glad it resonated! Now the question is, what else can I explain as well 😅
I have to check out your videos but some technical maneuvering could be of a lot of interest. Stuff that you might give for granted could be of a lot of interest for the regular aficionado as myself. Your thoughts on tire choice. How to approach a curve in the real world racing. Are you actually rev matching in race? Are you paying attention to your RPMs during race or is it a field thing?
Your positioning in the seat, the hands, steering technique, fingers, mechanical insights, what kind of physical conditioning do racers typically do, etc. Sometimes a simple graph is worth a million words. Like the grip line. It is eye opening…
Thanks. I look forward to you content
@@perosa99 thanks for the great suggestions. I’m no expert here on technical stuff, still very much learning, so I want to be authentic to my voice and not pretend I know all the answers. Will think about how to speak on these things in such a way.
As you grow in your own journey we will appreciate your insights. Sometimes you can just start the conversation and hopefully the community can add. Again, I thought this one was great
Looking forward to more videos as I am just starting my racing journey.
@@MrOscarSthlm awesome! What kind of videos would you like to see? I’m still learning what resonates on TH-cam vs what doesn’t (spoiler, most doesn’t 🙂)
@@gabeorlowitzracing Maybe regarding going from sim racing to actually racing and bad / good habits connected to that?
Well done. I race spec e46 and haven’t learn so much over 20 years of different race series
Nice. You have or have not learned much?
Very nice content!! Congrats!! Simple explanations showing how complex this sport is!
Glad you enjoyed!
I raced from 1985-2002. Won a few. You have it right - you need to be on the edge of what’s possible.
Congrats on a long racing stint!
Gabe, this was an awesome explanation! Keep up all the great work!
Glad you enjoyed Fred! Now go drive your stable on the limit!
Great explanation! - will be sharing with those who always think it is EASY.
Thanks for watching and sharing! 😁
As a veteran car driver (and driving God, or so I thought!) who has only recently stayed doing trackdays (so not even real racing), I agree, absolutely no comparison. On the road, I might take a corner or two quickly, on the track I'm trying to find the limit of grip on every corner lap after lap, and I find it mentally and physically hard.
I like your intro and outro video... Representative of the not so glorious part of racing that that people don't usually associate with
Just tryna keep it real!
ALWAYS wanted to have my own racecar. Not managed it yet. So.. well done to you! :)
Set a budget, keep an eye out, and eventually you’ll stumble upon the right one at the right time!
Kudos to you Miata guys but I used to have BIG problems with you. As a "secomd" class to race with my GT2 Porsche 928 on scca race weekends I also entered ITE, which spec miatas ran in. They seemed so involved with each other and often were doing bone-head moves, ignoring the fact that there were others in the race, too. I even had one use me to make what he called a "bank-pass" on another one...rammed me intentionally to bounce off and get ahead of another one.
You do give a good idea of racing. It's not a track day at all. The fast line through a lap....not as important as staying in front. Sometimes you sit on a leader and go easy while your tires come back, then make the pass at the right time.
Even getting to the start, well prepared, that's not simple.
I don’t endorse the bone headed passing! Agree some SM drivers can be wild. Thanks for sharing your experience.
That was a great video, excellent summary :)
Glad you enjoyed!
I've wanted to go racing since I was 5.
I'm in my late 40s, have always been and likely will always be too poor to go racing.
Poverty sucks
Keep the faith! Never know
I wanted to go racing since I was 5 too. I was close to this world my whole life, just not there. At 28, I bought my own drifting car and entered the national championship. The sport is so much fun and beautiful, but if you cannot do everything by yourself, the whole racing world is just a rip-off. To do everything by your own becomes a nightmare rather than a joy, not to say that is kind of impossible to do literally everything by your own. So yes, going out for the first training with my own drifting car I had joy tears in my eyes that I couldn’t and didn’t want to stop. Going to the first race and again, joy tears in my eyes. I was there…where I always wanted to be…finally, I’m doing it. Then…being there, in that world, huge disappointment strikes. I’ve realized the level of rip-off being practiced (don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking about costs, I expected high costs, I’m talking big rip-off) and how mean people in this world usually are…I was so disappointed…I quitted after the first race. Didn’t want to hear anything about this world anymore. I could barely enjoy normal driving too (high traffic playing a role too). But guess what…I still wanted to enjoy an activity and eventually doing DIY stuff because I like it. I remembered when I was a kid I liked to ride bikes. I bought a MTB and all the tools I need for it. I’m not a pro, just a guy enjoying riding in the park, going to some amateur contests and maintaining the bike parts. This thing brought me more joy that racing world ever could. I didn’t need racing in my life, I just needed to find something I love and I can do. Just find something you can live for and you can live with. I still enjoy going to some rental karting sessions from time to time though. I love engineering, I love competition and I love cars, I just realized I don’t like racing world.
Least expensive and still does the job of racing is renting karts. How most of the F1 drivers started anyway.
I'm a Formula 1 and IndyCar fan, have been for a long time. Ones I went GoCarting with my son while it was wet. It was hilariously fun but afterwords I promised never to make fun of race car driver spinning of in wet conditions. They're super profesional and I admire what hey can do with a vehicle.
Oh yea, insane what they’re doing behind the wheel at that level!
And how do we win? By staying consistently on that line, one thing you should have stressed is consistency without it there are no W's. The ability to consistently manage all the different things that are going on is the difference between a champion and a back marker. Other than that, great video.
Fantastic video!!! So clear and concise. I’m gonna stick to driving to the grocery store.
Haha thanks, enjoy your drive.
I understand you as a fellow racer. Keep those videos coming WE LOVE IT! One more subscribe from me!
Appreciate it fellow racer!
You truly experience the limit of your grip when you understand tires. Going from a 4s to a cup2 was a huge gain on the limit. It’s ridiculous lol
Nice!
I find race instinct is much more important that lap times , because even if you dont do mistakes others can welp , and you need to avoid not only your mistakes but also others. I think most of the racing drivers start shining in the wet and show their real potential , wet racing is different because conditions are changing very fast , track could be flooded but in 15 min be less wet or dry out
Great video. Thank you. Subscribed.
Appreciate it!
Always wanted to race but never had the money or balls at the same time. I've tried to learn to heal toe but just for the life of me can't get it. Really enjoyed the video!
Yea I feel you. I recommend saving up for racing school. Either you’ll love it and want to pursue it, or you’ll realize it’s not for you, but either way I don’t think you’d regret the experience. Plus they can teach you how to heel toe 😊
Heel and toe is usually more the side of your right foot blipping the accelerator. If it's still awkward owing to the particular pedal layout in your car, get someone to make you an accelerator pedal extender. Practice on an empty straight piece of road without really braking much. Only when you have it grooved should you try putting force on the brake pedal.
Yeah it is difficult to describe to someone who hasn't tried racing...
Very true
It’s just a video game until traction becomes an issue. Also, it’s amazing how much a machine can change in an hour.
I've never raced a real car, just sim with iRacing, but I have played other sports and have been a fan of racing since I was 5 (I'm 40). Whenever it comes up, I always point out that racecar drivers are probably the most underrated athletes and the skill it takes is also probably the most under appreaciated of all the sports because people drive cars every day and just assume there is some sort of correlation when there's not. I try to explain that pro drivers are just as good at what they do as any other pro athelte is at their craft, but they're at much higher risk which is why it's a more difficult sport. The mental aspect of racing at the highest levels, when death is an actual possibility is what sets it apart. Everything in your body is telling you to slow down or be more cautious in an attempt of self preservation, but somehow you push through it lap after lap, corner after corner.
I remember when I first got on iRacing. I knew it wouldn't be easy, so I tested for the first week by myself just to get a feel for it. I had played the PC games that the same developers had made years prior, so I was somewhat familar with how it would be, but I remember the first time I tried actually going fast at Pocono, feeling all the bumps through the wheel and just doing everything I could to hang on. It was so easy to spin out on the exits of all three corners there. To someone that didn't understand racing, they probably would have thought it was "unrealistic," how difficult it was. I loved that it was a challenge though and it just made me want to do it even more. I feel like if I ever got in a real race car, they'd have to knock me unconscious to get me out of the car haha
So true, it’s for sure an underrated and under appreciated sport!
Couple months ago I bought Gran Turismo 7 and all the accessories including the chair. I was absolutely amazed it what goes into driving these cars. Both in the driving skills and the car's actual mechanics which allow all the different parts to work together.
I am absolutely an awe a professional drivers now. The average person doesn't get it. And the top all of it you may be a good driver and have a great car but now you've had to compete against other cars on a racetrack at very high speeds and they're trying to beat you. One mistake and you're off the road.
Unfortunately, I found it nearly impossible to explain the difficulty in driving race cars to others. They are under the total misconception that going fast and a straight line is the same as being on a race course.
I love the simulator but real life is still a lot different. So stay with my simulator and let you guys race. I'll be in the stands cheering. Now that I have a better grasp of what you're actually doing.
Thanks for sharing!
@@gabeorlowitzracing and my best wishes for you and your racing career.
Yes bro - well said! Totally agree. Great video!
Thanks for tuning in!
great video. it was good to hear your thoughts and appreciate you sharing your feedback. i hope one day to get a car i can use for racing but for now im practicing and learning with my sim rig :) look forward to your future videos
Thanks for watching! Let me know what else you’d like to hear. Practicing on the sim will get you that much more prepared when it’s time to get the real car.
On top of the driving-at-the-limit game, you have the Racecraft -- that is, how do you get past other cars that really don't want to let you past? I raced SCCA Spec Miata myself, and to me that's the really fun part! 🥰🤪
That is true
Racing or driving to the grocery store are not the only 2 options for the motoring enthusiast, Gabe.
That is true
Driving racing cars is way harder than most people expect because most of them are using sim racing as a reference point. On the track, there are high speeds, high amounts of forces and no reload button if you crash.
Spot on
Car set up has a big influence on being able to approach the limit of adhesion and drive there. The more you learn about set up, the easier driving can be and the more competitive you can be. You should not continuously be on the "razor edge". The more you drive and race, the easier it gets. The less you "fight" the better you will perform and good results will follow.
Car setup is unquestionably important and surely it gets easier with more practice, but regardless, if you’re not on the edge of grip, then there’s still more grip to be had and therefore you’re not going fast enough.
@@gabeorlowitzracing "Razor edge", as you mentioned, is different than "the edge of grip". Maybe you can prevail on the razor edge during a short sprint race, but over a longer race distance, you will want to drive at a pace both driver and car can accommodate. That can still be close to max grip, fast, with a margin for heat-wear and safety in traffic.
Just my humble opinion, having done a lot of endurance and sprint races.
I thought you would talk about the difference between a time atack when you are alone vs having a lot of other cars side to side blocking each other. Anyway it is a great video thanks for sharing
Thanks! I’d say the same principle applies to time attack, if not even more since there’s no race craft involved and it’s purely driving. If you’re not on the limit in time attack, you’re not fast enough, and some other driver will be on the limit faster than you. Right?
Great content! thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
What I hate about racing and motorsport in general is that, no matter how good your innate or trained ability to do it is, you’re not doing it unless you have substantial financial backing.
Awful bitter reality.
It is unfortunate
@@gabeorlowitzracing
Unfortunate part is having to endure watching less than adequate drivers doing it from the sidelines, simply because they can afford it.
I don’t envy seeing proper talent behind the wheel that was lucky to get proper backing, but when I see talentless flops driving around it does my head in.
Oh well, rant over.
Amazing job Gabe!!!
Thanks!
Awesome video, Gabe! Very well said
Glad you liked it!
That looks really tough!!! I would not want 25 cars all around me all with the same capacity...nope Thanks
Great explanation
Glad you liked it
I've played line rider. I'm already a racing champ!
When people found out I raced sports cars (NASA NorCal SpecE30) they automatically assumed that I liked to drive fast (they also assumed I raced on big oval tracks). I would tell them that it’s not about the speed, you don’t ever think about how fast you’re going…it’s all about the competition. It’s the 30 minute chess game at 80 mph that makes folks want to race.
So true, so relatable! People say oh you like to go fast, and I think to myself, no more than a football player likes to run fast. Raw top speed is just a byproduct of the sport, not the thing we’re chasing. Thanks for sharing your insight!
@@gabeorlowitzracingBTW Gabe…good job with this video. I think you’re helping folks decide if they want to get into racing.
There is more depth to the line that you probably don’t know is there. The really good drivers can utilize this depth to lap faster than the average drivers. They are able to go faster through the turns, brake later, etc because they are better able to interpret and utilize the messages the contact patches are sending them.
They’re so fast
@gabeorlowitzracing Which circuit is that, with all the cliff/rock faces to the side? Looks awesome! Unforgiving, but awesome!
Palmer in Mass. It is indeed awesome!
Great video!
@@dougmintz2943 thanks!
great video bud
Thanks Tim 😎
Palmer is my favorite track!! I think its the best on the east coast!!
It’s a fun one for sure!
@@gabeorlowitzracing what're your favorites? I hear people say they like limerick better but it seems boring compared to palmer. Palmers has multiple different types of curves different changes in heights going thru them I feel like it has more to offer than like rock, but I haven't driven there yet only on their practice autox course
Well explained. 👏 i know i can drive close to grip limits for a few corners in a row.... but lap after lap under pressure like you are doing.... no chance 😅
I struggle with it too!
I'd love to get into Motor racing . However at 30 years old I feel like I'm too old for it and I don't have the finances for it .
That’s exactly how I felt when I started at 30! I realized that I’d always have excuses, and the only choice was whether I’d listen to them or not. Watch my older videos if you want to see how I managed pushing through those excuses early on. It wasn’t easy but it’s been worth it!
Racing isn't so hard as this guy explained. He just wants to be professional today without years of practicing. 😁 Of course it is hard. No one becomes professional for a short period of time.
I’m not sure what you’re even saying 🙂
I'd rather sim race. Cheaper, no maintenence, no truck/trailer...and I can spend the weekends at home with friends and family.
Yep sim racing is so much less time intensive
Algorithm got you!!!!
Cool video.🎉 nice
@@rally_chronicles about time 😩 lol thanks
here before this blows up
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Well said! A good driver knows or figured out the limits of the car within 1-3 laps.
But if I were you or anyone thats serious about racing for adult you'd buy 125cc none shifter gokart. You'll learn a lot more for a lot less and be faster than most.
There's a reason why F1 drivers all former kart champion. And im not talkimg about pos indoor kart either.
I would say street driving is like sitting on your sofa at home. Maybe a walk at most.. not a jog!😅
Haha you’re totally right
I've raced, Moto Gp Jr. Jr. Drag racing, Super cross, Enduro, Motocross, all of it. I won ribbons, awards, plaques, plates, medals, trophies. Yes, I was, great at almost everything. In simple, what he says in this video is accurate. Have a team, tight racing. Find what you like. Enjoy and love it.
I have won, been ahead very far, lapped many times racers. Burned the crap out of me. It was freaking boarding, being so far ahead. Had a love hate for it. People are jealous by nature. They suck, on another level. Let them suck, they are great at it. If you are good practice, ask the people better than you how they do it. Watch them, you might be able to be better. Learn from your mistakes.
Then die from going too high, far, or too fast. Just kidding, we all have a limit. I am still alive, because I knew, when.... Name it I did it, How High, yeah that too.
Respect my subaru bro! 👊 😊
Always!
Is that Monza at Foxwoods casino? I live 15min from there 😂
@@ehiojieyan8505 you got it!
Yo where are you from? Recognized that team Flatout car in some of your footage
Yep that’s Flatout. I race in the New England region of the SCCA.
Bro get him in a Nfs game. His commentary is quite good
That would be interesting
You didn't even mention the stress on your body! That's another thing people who think "racing is just driving fast" don't understand. Taking a 20 mph off ramp at 45 mph will get you feeling some g-forces, but nothing like the g-forces you're feeling in every turn, every lap, going around a road course as fast as possible, for hundreds of miles. It takes a toll on you.
So true, at the end of the day it’s just another sport!
Okay... I don't want to go racing anymore.. you talked me out of it.
@@jaytroxel3495 bummer!
Yup.
For me the issue is not even dedication or money it's just finding racing series or amateur categories where I'll actually be able to race.
Europe is completely flooded with FIA rules and regulations and even time attack events or small championships simply do not exist as you need a FIA passport for your car, up to date gear that cost a hell lot and have a limited time of use, and you need a license and every car you can race are at least 20k and need 10k more mods to be able to just pass inspection.
I don't want to race in F1, I just want an amateur series where I can learn and have fun... Like you would find in Japan or the UK !!
It's seen as a youth category, but Karting is still reasonably accessible
I don’t know much about the local European series but that sounds tough. I’d stick to karting and sim racing while I meet people, hoping I came across some lower cost series I could afford.
can you feel the limits of your tires before you exceed it on corners?
Yes it’s all about feel
The all time greats start very early, Alonso for example started at 4
I know, they’re untouchable!
dude that track looks like some out of gran turismo! What is it?!
Palmer in Mass