The original version of this video has been updated. We originally said that covering "the entire continental United States with solar panels would not supply half of America’s electricity.” But the study we cited for this fact has been updated. Therefore our reference to it has been removed.
Well it's all over the web which a simple search will tell you. depends on insolation and who much is electric energy versus other types of power. Here in Australia it's about a thousand sq km for total electrical load.
You should had left that solar panel video. All that free electricity paying it self again and again would have been an hilarious backfire to your gas and oil employers Lol 😆 😂 🤣
Double the electricity grid to provide the charging capacity for BEVs. How much to replace the heating with oil and gas with inefficient heat pumps. The UK government wants to fit a million heat pumps a year over the next decade. The UK National Grid says we only have capacity in the grid for 900,000 total.
One thing to remember: Politician's by and large are not elected because they are competent at governing. They are elected because they are good at campaigning, fund raising, pandering, and cutting back room deals. In other words, we are largely governed by the world's Marketing Department. And "going green" is good PR, even if the facts don't support it.
This is why I hold a distinction between a politician and a statesman. Politicians are more or less as you say. Statesmen are those who old the same political positions as politicians, but care more about doing their job than getting reelected (and before anyone says anything, no, JFK was not a statesman). edit: Minor addendum, a statesman might be good or bad at their job, but at the very least, they are actually trying to do their job.
@@whyjnot420 Either way, you’re still gonna run into the problem of the well-intentioned statesman causing more problems than they solve. Unfortunately, good intentions are no shield against bad results.
hmm, actually it depends very much on which facts fool you the most. For instance the fact that you would need 2x of US area covered in solar panels to produce all the energy used in US, or the fact that 12% of used energy in US is already renewable and if that number is multiplied just by 8, the entire US energy needs would be met; or the fact that specifically for all electricity used in US you would only need 1000 sq.mi of solar panels to produce. ...all are true, but just the first is mentioned in this video. Another easier to understand fact: off grid, with a modest 5kWh solar panel system you would be able charge your electric car the equivalent of 100miles every sunny day for free.
👍. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
Wrong! Listen to politicians. Just because you hear someone's words, that doesn't mean you have to go and jump off of the ledge they just said you need to jump off of. But every once in awhile, you can accidentally stumble upon an honest politician, or a good person who is a politician. And you do it by doing the same thing. Listening.
@@bvegannow1936 or. Stop Desiring or expecting or finding yourself needing anything from the government. Because even in giving that to you, they will screw it up and screw you over.
It's not a transition to electric, it's a transition to end of vehicle ownership, end of property ownership, end of consumption, end of privacy, and global totalitarian control.
Yes! They want peasants to quit driving and be cold in winter and hot in summer, while they fly on private jets all over the world for vacations alot and go in their mansions... If gov really care about env, Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. And maybe gov should start with gov cutting back since gov is one of the top polluters and energy/oil/gas/and electricity users. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
No, it's a path to freedom by generation your own power and driving with it, as I do with my solar panels and EV. I haven't paid for slave gasoline in several years and pay no power bill. Totalitarian control is when the few oil companies and power utilities OWN your ass.
My friend's brand new electric car just left her stranded with a full charge. It gave her a minute warning before it shut off. It had to be towed to the next city because nobody here can fix it. They still don't know what went wrong. I'm sitting in my 1987 Toyota Corolla and can pick from most any repair shop if it breaks.
And this is why Ukraine and non-fadboy pilots use combustion RC helicopters when they need longer flight times and higher efficiency instead of battery packs. Takes less space and flys far longer.
Also batteries haven’t improved in size or capacity in the past 12 years. Companies make it seem that way buy finally giving better cells to those spoonfed types who can’t shop or search things out on their own but AAs and 18650s for example still have the same max capacity as the ones I got in 2012. Some Chinese companies will fake it by putting a 5000mAh label on their 18650 but no such thing actually exists
@@jimcaldwell2755 It's totally mercenary: The elites are creating an energy monopoly. It doesn't matter if it works for the people, it just needs to maximize profits for the few... And WAY too many of us refuse to see what's right in front of us.
No gas stoves, no wood stoves, no gasoline- basically all the lifelines if the power goes out for days. Last winter we had an ice storm in the middle of winter and the power was off for 3-5 days. At least you could run a generator, build a fire, or sit in your car if worst came to worse. These environmentalists are really anti human sadists
You're lucky you had other options of heat and warmth. Had those natural gas and gasoline powered options NOT been available, you may not be here to voice your concerns. Thanks for the update. We need options and NOT mandated "electric only" appliances/vehicles.
I disagree. I think the best line is "we're going to need everything," which includes EVs. The world only has 45 years of Proven crude oil reserves left at current consumption levels. (EIA) Tesla was launched in 2001. It took 22 years to get where we are with EVs and there's a long way to go. Anyone who cares would want to conserve crude as much as possible.
@@IndependentThoughts911 "The world only has 45 years of Proven crude oil reserves left at current consumption levels." Utter nonsense! In 1979, it was predicted that we only had 65 years of oil. In 1999, it was again predicted that we had only 65 years of oil. No one knows how much oil there is, and no one knows what technologies will be invented to locate and extract more oil.
I worked for a major public utility in Southern California for over 22 years. When deregulation was proposed and accepted, this utility was fully on-board and sold a number of its power plants in the LA Basin to companies outside the region. It significantly reduced their yearly costs from a personnel and maintenance perspective. A few of these were base load plants but the majority were what we called "spinning reserve." It allowed the authority that addressed the shifting daily needs of the region to provide the needed power. At times even this spinning reserve was not enough to meet the daily demand, and thus power from external sources was needed to make up the difference. But power was available and rarely were there any brownouts or full blackouts. Then the companies that had purchased the power plants, who were required to make them available for baseload and spinning reserve, played a game taking them down for maintenance and other issues. Of course, they supplied power from their other generating facilities outside the state on the spot market, at a higher price point. Then the state stepped in and prohibited the use of once-through cooling using natural resource water, so ocean, lake, and river water were no longer available for cooling the plant and the older facilities would need to build cooling towers to provide the needed heat sink. Of course, some of these plants were built in the 30s, 40s, and 50s and no land had been set aside to build that type of infrastructure. In addition, building those type of facilities are expensive and when you are operating on thin margins, to begin with, the cost-benefit is not there and the regulatory hoops that you would need to jump through were significant, see California Coastal Commission, Environmental Impact Reports, and potential neighbor opposition. So, what happened? Shut those plants down, and we will purchase power from other power generators outside the region. Increase in electricity costs and rolling blackouts. Generators outside the region are required to service their regional customers first and any surplus can be placed on the spot market, but if you are at capacity for your local distribution, no surplus and the others that need additional energy are just out of luck. No major electrical generating facilities have been built in California for a number of years and in fact, more have been shut down. This is a trend across the country and until someone with a backbone steps up, it will only get worse. All of the alternative narratives around solar, wind, and other alternative sources will not replace baseload requirements, particularly when the sun goes down or the wind stops blowing. The ignorance of the general public about this issue is frightening as is the overwhelming noise from the alternative energy voices that drowns out those trying to deal with this from a realistic perspective. I'm an old guy and won't be around that much longer, but I wonder what my children's lives will be like. I think I lived in a sort of golden age and the future looks like 💩.
Except California basically has no base load requirements any more and hasn't for some years. Its not even a question... its in the data. Have you looked at the duck curves on the CAISO? Particularly in spring? There are periods where traditional base-load-capable sources fall below 3GW of generation with evening ramps that are insane. For example, take a spring day... May 10th 2022. About 27GW of peak demand. 16GW 3-hour ramp starting at 5pm and only 5GW of traditional base-load-capable generation on. Not to mention 80% renewables across the mid-day with non-renewable sources falling to 3GW. That is what the system is capable of doing now. And its doing it essentially without any real base load requirements. The state doesn't even need to carefully match traditional generation sources (mostly natural gas and imports) against load during the peak evening ramp, even though the traditional sources are handling most of the ramp. It just needs to be within a gigawatt or so and the 3GW worth of batteries with what I'm guessing are around 20mS response times take care of the rest. Literally. This isn't the grid you knew 22 years ago.
The ignorance of the populace in general is frightening . Just look how we vote !! Our children and grandchildren will never see the America us older folks experienced ...
The problem of peaker plants was solved in Australia with huge batteries reserves. California is building battery reserves that will dwarf the Australian ones. All that excess solar and wind power that doesn't get used can be stored to take the place of spot spikes in energy usage when the sun is down and wind isn't blowing. Golden age is already here. We just haven't gotten to the middle where everything is gold.
And those battery storage facilities are pretty expensive for the power they store. Yes, it is better than nothing and should be used as a bridge to the future, when better electrical storage means become available, but the cost to extract, refine and produce the battery active material to build storage batteries will be pretty large and it will damage the environment. Digging ore from the ground always does.
As Thomas Sowell once said, "There are no solutions, only trade-offs". The more I watch Stossel, the more apparent that statement becomes. Thank you sir!
Funny you mention TS cause when I heard the statement "made by bureaucrats, not engineers" I thought of his book "the vision of the anointed" who are those bureaucrats who pay no price for being wrong.
It's just another way for politicians to separate people and have something to fight over. Having a solution to the problem we don't have by creating a bigger problem is not the answer
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
I agree with this statement, but it doesn't justify the MANY inaccura ies in the video. We should be using accurate facts unlike the nuts he's attacting, not equally stupid exaggerations like he has in this video.
California: get you electric vehicles but don't charge them, sit, don't move, come here, go there, don't eat that, don't breath, don't think....mission accomplished 😈
The politicians are little more than salesmen. The people actually making up these policies know full-well what the effects will be. Electric cars mean driving becomes a special occasion for most people. “Net zero” means air travel becomes a rare event, for most people. For heaven’s sake, at least look at what you are actually being told.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
With this logic they would have stopped making cell phones in the 80’s and flat screens in the 2000’s just because they started out expensive. Technology adoption follows falling cost curves until its affordable for everyone. Read Crossing the Chasm to understand this better.
@Advanced Driving Yes, the most idiotic claim in this video is that we need to cover the entire U.S. with solar panels to meet our energy needs. The true number is a tiny portion of one of the 50 states. Anyone with a fully electric car and home does not need to even cover their entire roof to meet the energy needs, let alone their entire yard, let alone the entire expansive empty space in the country.
We could easily fix this problem by "plugging in" all the eco-activists into the Matrix that could provide free electricity to the rest of us while they "live" in their computer created fantasy world.
@Advanced Driving Pick a time slot?!?! I don't want to take time to "schedule" a time to charge my car. What if my plans change? What if I have something important come up? When I need power I want it on my schedule not the charging station! And have you been on the major hi ways lately? They are busy busy busy, with thousands of cars across the nation traveling our great interstate system. They aren't charging at home. Charging at third party chargers is inconsistant and very slow. If the charger even works at all.
youtube and legacy media ensure these educated idiots dont get the info they need lol. Many these days lack the common sense to boil water let alone read an analog clock.
Not about efficiency? More gas huffer babble. Only 12% to 30% of the energy in gasoline is used to move a vehicle, with most of the remaining energy lost as heat. With EVs, over 77% of the energy in electricity is converted into movement when including regenerative braking. Now, your turn. Explain in a coherent way, with evidence, how a different way to turn wheels is some sort of plot for a one world order.
@@headstashmusic3897 How much does mining of precious metals consume fuel and affect the environment? or producing the batteries? or discarding them or recycling them? and how much fuel do you need to create the energy to charge your car? how long does the car even last when the battery goes bad and is cheaper to buy a new one? I could go on and on. I think its time for you to go and get boosted.
I was dumb enough to lease a Tesla because my wife wanted one. Insurance doubled. Every trip has to be preplanned, spontaneity goes out the window. It eats tires due to weight and torque. Updates to my phone disconnect it from the car. I have to delete and reinstall or the car won’t move. Full self driving is a joke, most drunks do a better job. Ghost braking, enough said. The worst part is the fact that Tesla can see me wherever I am, see how fast or slow I drive and with the cabin camera, invade my privacy if they so wish. This is big brother on steroids. When my lease is up, I’m going back to Honda or Toyota.
Are you a technologically "challenged" Boomer? We've owned 2 Teslas since 2018, and never experienced your phone problem. Maybe your grandchildren can help you figure out how to use your phone?
@@libertarian4323 I can tell you're the type of loser who considers any opinion wrong unless it's your own except you don't even have an opinion of your own as your brain merely copies what news tell you. You're an NPC 😂
@@libertarian4323maybe you didn’t have the software issues , but this man make many other valid points - there are many side issues to owning an EV - it’s not all roses and EV’s are absolutely doing nothing to save the planet - they are far from green , it’s simply another form of travel that may work well for some but not the majority with the current technologies we have . It’s a fact they are too expensive , insurances are going up , residual values are going down , tyres wear out faster , it’s not always convenient to charge them , good luck charging when there a grid problems ! There are safety concerns which are often more challenging and costly to deal with compared to ICE engines ! They are currently not the answer and the fact is many people now return to ICE cars , sales are dropping like a stone in water, well they are in Europe !
@@tyronmegawatts6580 I'm bit of a petrol head, crotch rockets of my youth to 'old fangled' BMW M3 with screaming 9k revving V8 today. Petrol is still crucial and I hope to be able to afford it in 2030, but for the 1st time since the automobile took American streets, the cost per mile changes, will drop by 4X (roughly--depending on local petrol vs electric costs) and you just plug in at home happy to never visit a gas station nor oil change or other maintenance. Mid class and lower will be chief beneficiaries of reduced transport costs.
I’d like to see another inconvenient fact of solar panels and batteries primarily made in China due to cheap labor and ENERGY… due to massive amounts of coal plants. It’s about 75% of the global market, ALL made in China.
and also many extremely dangerous chemicals are used to make solar panel, in China NO regulations are followed to dispose of those extremely dangerous compounds
@@pablopicaro7649 Every time you hear about solar panels becoming cheaper, just know that it’s a lot cheaper to dump chemicals into waterways and force children to work in your factories than hire Union workers in the US.
Economies of scale-as China mass-producing anything the price per unit goes down. Outcompeting China is impossible without actual will to invest billions in local production and resource extraction. Instead they're invested in purchasing panels and getting kickbacks, and to lobby these decisions.
@@VladK-1 it’s also impossible due to the restrictions countries like the U.S. have on energy and other environmental agency restrictions that don’t exist in China. Which allows their startup companies to be more profitable (on top of cheap labor and tariff rates) at the get go, before taking into account of the resulting economies of scale.
@@grantduke318 Democrats and RINOs have been slowly strangling our sources of energy for decades. Nuclear reactors would solve many of these issues but that is just one more thing, those who have a blood lust to control us, have killed off.
The grid is limited, but I guarantee you that Newsom will never be shivering or sweating when that rationing occurs. Nor will any of the high-profile politicians pushing this madness. Believe me, they will be comfortable.
Correct,they will isolate themselves while the poor suffer.We already see this with crime and immigration,they have armed guards and kicked ilegal aliens from Martha's Vineyard very quickly.
Well enjoy your horse and buggy while everybody else rides by you enjoying technology and actually using their brains. And just remember that over 70% of America's gross domestic product comes from progressive states. But you're probably a loser and don't really wanna hear that.
@@lindaprice768 well he is busy running an economy that is about the fourth largest in the entire world. Newsome rocks! And don't forget that over 70% of the gross domestic product in the United States comes from progressive states! Republicans don't know their head from a hole in the ground.
I live on the outskirts of an urban area and we couldn't keep the electricity going during the sub-zero weather this week. Good luck with the power grid when everyone is trying to stay warm.
In Arizona it was strange how quiet they kept about a fire at a battery storage facility that burned for nearly two weeks, not much said about it afterwards either. This wasn't even the first one to happen, they'd had these battery farms where they store power go up in flames multiple times, but they don't say much about the harmful side effects to the area or the environment afterwards when all the junk needs cleaned up, their a wee bit shy of saying anything that will upset the cart.
It's like wind farms. Apparently about 3 in 1,000 windmills just burst into flames each year - though that is almost never mentioned. Look when taking a road trip, you'll see charred ones.
@@Zure467 I would tell you to read my comment but I think it's just better if I copypaste it there for you to easily skim through it: =*=*=*= The majority of the claims made here against renewable energy are disingenuous at best and some are outright lies. A few examples: · 1. The solar panel claim is completely false. The most the US grid has demanded in an hour is 720 gigawatthours. Even in winter, which is obviously the season with the least sun, an average square meter of US land will get around 3kWh energy/day from the sun (on summer, it's more like 8 and the numbers are obviously higher for sunnier states like Arizona). 3kW/h per day is 125 Wh. Now, accounting for the fact that solar panels harvest around 15% of the solar energy they receive and even accounting for the fact that some space would have to be left for other infraestructure to support solar (let's be quite pessimistic and say only 75% percent of solar infraestructure area is solar panels), the total area required would be: 720,000,000,000 Wh / (125 Wh/m^2 * 0.15 * 0.75) = 51,200,000,000 m^2 = 51,200 Km^2. And the US is 9,834,000 Km^2 big. In fact, Texas alone for example is 695,662 Km^2 big. So, even if we put ourselves at the worst-case scenario (record demand in december with innefficiently placed and badly located solar panels), all the solar panels required to cover the demand would fit in 0.5% on the US or like less than a twelfth of Texas. I've just checked and my result agrees with studies such as a 2013 study by the National Renewable Energy Labs (NREL), which estimated (with 2013 efficiency numbers) that the area required is around 55,037 Km^2. Not that you would want to do that, it would be stupid to only use a single energy resource and call it a day, but it demonstrates how big of a lie the statement was. Solar is more than efficient enough to be viable · 2. No person that actually knows something about energy will tell you that we need to cover all of our storage needs with lithium-ion batteries. Batteries work well on a small scale (like phones, laptops, housing appliances, cars or maybe even as backups for homes). Despite of that, they are really innefficient and expensive on a larger scale. There are other methods (like gravity-based water pumping, electrolizers or air compresion, just to name a few) that are much better suited for the task of storing large amounts of energy, and those are the ones that would be used as energy storage and taken into account in a clean electrical grid. · 3. "But wind and solar are so unstable and that makes them unviable". Wind and solar, are not the only CO2-free tools that we have. In addition to the energy storage already mentioned, nuclear and hydroelectric energy (and with less importance, geothermal energy) provide a stable stream of electicity at a competitive cost while generating practically no CO2 emissions. Studies such as N. Sepulveda J. D. Jenkins et al. (2018), "The Role of Firm Low-Carbon Electricity Resources in Deep Decarbonization of Power Generation" have concluded that combining renewables such as solar and wind with energy storage (like the ones mentioned in 2) and with these stable sources of power would be confortambly be able to cover 100% of the elecricity demand while producing practically no CO2 and while not raising the costs of electricity. In fact, given the war in Ukraine, how OPEC is jacking up fossil fuel prices and other geopolitical factors that won't fade away soon, we'd be much better of if our main source of electricity weren't fossil fuels. Renewable electricity prices have now been consistently cheaper for many years, but specially now. And there's many more things that I've seen being wrongly claimed in your videos, but this one was the straw that broke the camel's back, almost nothing contained in it was based on reality, but in a false imaginary world taht we don't live in. If you want to keep making content like this, fine, you can do so, but know that you are simply promoting lies and false information to your audience. It's never too late to accept a mistake like this. I personally also think that electric cars aren't a good solution for transporting people, but because cars themselves aren't a good option and have never been (that's another thing that the US doesn't get). In my opinion, you are defending the right thing but based on completely wrong premises and information. Electric cars won't solve climate change, they probably won't even help that much at all. But don't defend that with lies; you are just making it easy for those that think they are useful for dealing with climate change (or at least they say so in order to appear 'green' or for personal or monetary gain) to defend their (quite wrong) position. =*=*=*= That should clear it up
the blantant miss statement that if we covered the entire US in solar panels it would only cover half our energy needs. Was an erroneous report put out by EPRINC then corrected but they never pulled hte paper so people like Milis can run with false information and people never check it.
@@adrianv.v.4445 All this doesn't matter as co2 is not a problem and not likely to be any time soon there's no climate catastrophe comming soon due to global warming, just natural cycles that we should adapt for and have plenty time to so.
@@williamfreeman6935 The world population has more than tripled in my lifetime. Keep breeding then way we are and a larger part of the population will need to be on veggie burgers.
I've had power outages at my home. Everyone has. The mandate to achieving net zero says my natural gas furnace must be replaced by electricity. I've never had a gas outage. Sooooo...they want me to use a more unreliable and less available energy to move around and stay warm in winter. No.
The truth is the anticlimactic deniers are holding the country back at great harm to the US. Luckily we helped fund Tesla or we would be even farther behind. Less than 6% of new cars in the US are EVs but the climate change / science deniers are having a conniption! BTW China is a 36% of new cars and Europe is over 19%. But people like John Stossel think they are some kind of conspiracy. He is too dumb to know he is trying to harm our country.
@@gregkramer5588 Fool. Your govt is taking all of your freedoms from you based on lies which you obviously believe. Tell me, why hasn't the ocean levels buried the coastlines all over the globe? Why do they manipulate climate data to obtain an outcome? Why are carbon levels barely above where they were hundreds or thousands of years ago when testing ancient artifacts? Truth is you're being manipulated and it's YOU who is causing the destruction of the world as we know it. Do some research of the strip mining needed if everyone were to drive electric vehicles. Of vourse feel free to respond but do not expect me to reply, people like you are lost causes and won't realize they've been duped until it's too late. Oh yeah, govt screws up everything they touch. If they didn't then why do they have to make back room deals and pass laws under the dark of night? It's because they can't pass them on merit because they are based on bologna. Good day.
As a retired power utility CEO and electric power engineer in the power sector for 36 years, i can say the following. During the Obama administration there began an all out effort to ignore the input of power company CEOs and engineers (even non-profit utilities like the ones I worked for). It came down to this, these politicians thought they knew best and always assumed we in the industry had some political angle or agenda. However, i would tell them that electrons are neither blue nor red but they power the same grid for all people. Eliminating fossil fuels (coal and NG) and limiting nuclear will have devastating consequences starting in 10-15 years (quote from 2008), we are about to begin a lot of hardships not seen since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Even if the oceans rise many people will end up freezing to death or overheating due to lack of affordable electric power, not to say anything about having a decent job and able to buy products at an affordable price. No coal plants can be built in America and nuclear takes 10 years to build. With pressure now to not build nat-gas plants, there is no base-load power generation left. When we hit rock bottom it will take years to turn it around. As the coal and nuclear plants continue to retire this problem will grow worse and there is not enough affordable nat-gas to replace them all. I pray for America as I believe we will have to go through a painful learning curve that will last years. By the way electrons are color neutral, which is what the politicians should be and let the experts power and run the grid. Strange no one is saying anything about riding in a car that emits constant electro-magnetic fields. Most of the time intermittent absorption is not a problem, but driving such a vehicle for many years no one really knows. We never had a clamoring for people wanting to live next to our high-voltage transmission lines. John thank you for covering this topic, maybe it will help sound the alarm to many who lost their hearing years ago.
I agree with you 100%,these know all government policy wonks,almost all of them Democrats, need to sit down and shut up,and let the people who know what they are doing,actually producing electric power, run things,most of these policy wonks have never had a real job producing anything,and are least qualified to speak on anything.
"Fossil fuels (coal, oil and NG)" are making up all kinds of lies, bad policies, and even outright threats to avoid fighting pollution and to maintain their huge profits. I'm from Texas and have personally seen the damage to our atmosphere, water, soil, agriculture, and infrastructure that the petroleum industry does
This is condescending elementary view of subject. ECONOMICS will rule and that's proven to be BEVs, simply a matter of pennies per mile. Doesn't matter if you disagree the market place will tell the truth. Relax, let it play out.
@@Mrbfgray The point of this issue is that our politicians aren't letting the market place set the standard. In California, where I unfortunately live under the dictatorship of a Democrat supermajority with Far Left ideologies, only electric vehicles will be available by 2035 while the power grid infrastructure can't handle the few EVs we have on the road now.
@@mmurph2686 Yeah like when the scourge of air conditioning was released on the USA, massive increase in grid demand over a decade. I imagine we can continue to survive change for the better.
@@mmurph2686 The political climate is abysmal here in Commifornia. The 3035 mandate is a joke, the transition will happen before then anyway but tyrant Newsom will claim credit for what he had nothing good to do with. No one will want a new ICE in a few yrs. The grid will adapt just as it did when air conditioning was adopted over a ten yr period requiring 30% more electric. I intend to power everything off my own roof as will many.
Stossel takes me back to the old days as a kid watching him on msm in the 90s I remember as a kid knowing I liked how he stood out thanks reason tv God bless ✌️🇺🇸
It's funny, I wasn't truly aware of media bias until the late 90s, and even then I thought Katie Couric was a good journalist, but I always knew Stossel was different. When I watch him I knew I was about to see some truth bombs.
PG&E cut power in my town for several days, once. Gas powered cars and generators were how we got through it. Several of us lent and donated generators to people who couldn't afford them. We wouldn't have been able to do that with solar arrays and battery banks. We gave each other rides in cars we were filling with gas cans, rather than sitting around, waiting for EV batteries to charge. Electric isn't there yet and I have no intention of moving backwards, while waiting for it to catch up.
sounds familiar! We had a whole city near me without power for two weeks. Generator installs blew up after that fiasco (my husband’s an electrician). People were struggling after the first week, thankfully communities helped each other out. But there is no excuse for leaving people without power for that long in a state like CA.
I live in SWFL, when Hurricane Ian hit the electric went out all over. No pumps. No traffic lights. It was total chaos. It was great for me cause I ride an ebike and didn't have to wait at the intersections for minutes like usual
Yeah they don't tell you that for the safety of linemen working on your wires during a blackout, your grid-tied solar panels are shut off unless you have a battery back up for the whole house.
"We wouldn't have been able to do that with solar arrays and battery banks." Huh? If you had solar power, you could not only run your household electric, you could charge your eV as well. During the "snowpocalypse" in Texas a couple of years back, when power went out for days, we had no problem running our household electric and charging our Tesla. I can't figure out why you think someone who uses solar power would give a damn if "PG&E" (or any other power company) cut power since we rarely or never use grid power? For people who have solar, the local "grid" is nothing more than a place to sell excess capacity and maybe use as a backup. And I'm not sure what any of this has to do with generators? You can have a generator with or without an eV. I've got two Teslas and two gas generators.
California is switching to EV in several years. It’s law. It’s unfair because EVs are so expensive, not only the initial purchase, but to replace the battery which is $7000 - $20,000. How are middle and low income families supposed to afford that? So CA has made owning cars a class privilege where only the rich can have. So the rest of us can’t drive to work, pick up our kids from school, etc.? Someone with clout, please bring attention to this in CA. It’s an unfair law!
These sorts of mandate will be revised as the time frame draws closer. Political posturing even if it comes from a good place such as a desire to improve and move humanity forward it is still just political. In the end even politicians will have not choice but to work within the confines of whats realistic at the time. Trust me, Cali will not follow thru with EV mandate in 2035 or whatever the deadline was that was promoted.
My mate stopped by my house and stayed for a day when he was on his way to visit his mother for Christmas. Took him forever to get to my house because of his electric car's limited range and recharge time. Good to see him though. He asked if I minded if he used some electricity. Thinking he wanted to charge his phone I agreed, but then he plugged a cable into one of my electricity sockets and started charging his car.12 hours later the car was fully charged. Turns out it used twice as much power as my normal daily family consumption. Was a bit miffed by his failure to at least offer me a token payment in return before he went on his merry way. No wonder he always says it's a cheap car to run.
@@ilovepinktacos I'm not in NJ, I'm not even in the same country (or for that matter, hemisphere), so don't tell me what's true or not in my life please mate
Sorry then, mostly people who watch as Stossel are in the North America. But then again, poor infrastructure is not good for EV cars, hence I purchased a Tesla and they infrastructure is the best so far. I get at least 200 miles per 80% charge. I think you buddy had a Nissan leaf that gives only 30 to 40 miles per charge. They would need to think about trip planning if they were to make a road trip in a EV vehicle. Have a great day.
@@ilovepinktacos No problem, thanks for your kind and considered response, you have a good day too. I'm in Australia, my friend was driving from Canberra to Melbourne, my house is about 50 miles from Melb. I don't know what car he has. I'm also not sure what my daily cost of electricity is, but my wife has an app that showed the big spike
As an engineer, the basic calculations for all of the requirements for conversion of any significant amount of the energy system to electricity are staggering. As your guest has stated even the best case back of the envelope estimates are huge. Unfortunately, low resolution thinking allows people to ignore the massive scale required to make this happen. Magical thinking also allows for them to believe we can violate the laws of physics by just waiting a little longer for the next breakthrough. They do not understand the physics behind a battery, and the limits of using ion transfer to make a rechargeable battery. Politicians, and the Green Zealots are looking for the Harry Potter Magic Wand to be able to wave it and say some lame half word to make it all work. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, Physics, Math, Chemistry, Economics and Engineering have to work in the real world and not a make believe one accessed by train through an arch.
@@Dedread 1st, you’re not smart enough to understand the math. 2nd, the videos that support what you believe don’t show any math either, it’s just your confirmation bias pretending that they have some kind of objectivity. 3rd, if you actually cared for the environment, you‘d do the research yourself instead of whining that nobody is good enough to educate you.
@@maddhatter3564 sure don't...but I don't leave comments about them either...the irony was funny to me. It wasn't serious as shown by the emoji I left with my comment.😜
I bet if you posted this on Facebook, they’d label it as “misinformation”. That’s what happened to me when I posted a very well written article from The Guardian (pretty liberal news outlet) on improvements EVs need and their downside. It was, in fact, written by an EV supporter and owner.
The truckers testified that if they’re forced to use electric trucks, the time it would take to recharge to go even a couple hundred miles would make the food and supplies they are carrying much much more expensive. Never mind the size and weight of the ev batteries added to their heavy load using more power and wrecking roads and endangering bridge weight limits.
Not with Tesla's technology. It's possible to do with good enough technology, which requires great engineers, such as those specifically working at Tesla. The competition is a downgrade, but Teslas are a viable option.
Unfortunately, the programming have been to effective and this country is too deep into the stupid category to listen to alternate information. Did you see what happened last week? Millions of people voted for high prices, inflation, crime ridden neighborhoods, killing their parents/grandparents, ruining their businesses, sexualizing their children and all of the craziness happening. The western world will have to learn the hard way.
But I don't understand it. Why would it be easier to sell an " an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic" than a better version of real life?
I’m 68 and can remember as a kid being slave to the coal furnace in our house in souther Illinois. A large part of the basement was dedicated to supporting the behemoth, including a room that functioned as the coal bin. There were doors that opened from the ground where the delivery men would dump a mountain of coal into the bin that my older brothers would have to shovel into the furnace to keep it going. There was also the issue of klinkers, which could cause problems when the spent fuel fused together into a blob. I’m not saying that this generation is too soft to go back to living like that, they can and will if the need arises, but we no longer have an infrastructure in place to support this arrangement efficiently.
Loved with a coal furnace as a kid. My oldest brother and I had the job of hauling out the klinkers to the alley. Where we had to jump up and down on them to crush them up. My youngest brother lives in the house now. Alley is still in good shape. True recycling. Coal to klinkers to roadway.
Loved with a coal furnace as a kid. My oldest brother and I had the job of hauling out the klinkers to the alley. Where we had to jump up and down on them to crush them up. My youngest brother lives in the house now. Alley is still in good shape. True recycling. Coal to klinkers to roadway. Oh, also from southern Illinois. 64 years old.
One of your best videos, John. I especially like Mills' comment: "We've had our energy systems designed by bureaucrats instead of by engineers." Keep up the great work.
And It's crazy that in this age where everyone thinks they're so smart, with smartphones at our fingertips, the same people elect the dumbest people to lead them. Nuts!
I don't think so they thought that Iron Man and the Terminator where powered by batteries when it clear that it is nuclear power both are Reactors, which is all we need because it is most energy dense fuel that we have.
@@southcoastinventors6583 I agree, but keep in mind that Thorium reactors are INHERERENTLY so much more safe than uranium reactors, and therefore can be scaled down to neighborhood or larger sizes, rather than the incredibly expensive region-wide reactors we have ubiquitously. Again, Thanks for your great work, John. (I sailed with your father in Chicago a few times; Shields are great vessels. ...not sailing anymore, btw..)
Love these series! You are brave to put yourself out there on the web. Of course, this is what you have always done. Thanks for the service you provide to the world.
1:33 I am so glad to hear someone actually say that no amount of engineering will allow batteries, or anything else for that matter, to violate the laws of Physics.
John, I hope you can get more people on to talk about the Green Energy Stuff. WE ALL WANT a clean world. But living in fantasy is NOT the way to get it. We need MORE nuclear, and Natural Gas. Two of the cleanest energies.
I watched a video a month or so ago about a guy that bought a brand-new Ford EV pickup truck. He hooked up a very small camper, and then drove about 80 miles and soon discovered he had to find a place to recharge the batteries. Enough said!!!!
@@davesevens7286Or finding a place with either a pull-through charger so you just can power up and go or enough space to disconnect and park your trailer (always fun!) so you can back your truck into a charging space.
Great job John. I'm an electrician and I've been saying this sort of thing for over ten years. You give me a little hope that some people have good sense.
The country currently has 2.1 million EVs on the road that consume .2 of a percent of US electricity. Estimates of all cars being EVs shows there only needs to be a 15% to 20% increase in the grid. That's very doable over the next few decades. Electric motors are 3 times more efficient than gas engines and cause a decrease in net energy consumption. And most EV owners charge their cars at night at times of low demand on the grid, and if incentivized by pricing that will continue. It's all about peak demand, you know.
@@ThomasLee123 My Model Y has reduced my fueling costs by 75%. Electric motors are 3 times more efficient than gas engines. Plus no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no spark plug changes, brakes last 150,000 miles because most braking in is done by regen, no friction brakes, etc., etc. No wide spread application for EVs? I see no widespread application for gas cars in the future.
The really sad thing is when we change from primarily using fossil fuels to primarily using renewables is that it does nothing to stop tornadoes, hurricanes, and floods. They will still occur in various degrees of severity as they always have.
Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
Yup. Only brainwashed, low intelligent, uneducated idiots think that c02 controls weather patterns and makes them more intense. Yet, they have no factual evidence/proof to support their claims. Just another case of the hysterical blind leading the blind.
Bad weather is no sadder than it's always been. What is really sad is that all the chaos and destruction being caused by switching is making things worse.
@@bvegannow1936 Sounds good in theory, but reality is it would be very inefficient. Also, many plants can't be grown all year, if at all depending on one's location. 180 million households would require 180 million acres or 281,250 square miles (an area larger than Texas). That doesn't include roads and other overhead that would likely double that. Not realistic for everyone to own an acre of land. If anything, the future is denser living, larger scale agriculture, and synthetic foods (ie. lab made meat).
I don't remember whether it was mentioned in Part 1, and Part 2 almost got here, but my question is, "What is the environment impact of the disposal of the batteries when they need to be replaced, or when the car reaches its end of life?"
@@chasemsutton Unless Tesla can change material sciences to something the rest of the world doesn't know about only about 50% of a battery can be recycled. Yet another inconvenient fact about this subject...
Batteries used in Tesla vehicles have 20 year lifetimes (in the vehicle) and can be reused in the power storage for another 20 years before being recycled. Batteries are almost 100% recyclable. Other BEV makers will probably go straight to the recycler.
@@richb2229 The only one claiming that the tesla batteries are 100% recyclable is Tesla! You're hearing from a marketing department. There is NOTHING manufactured on earth that is 100% recyclable, absolutely nothing! There are ALWAYS waste products. Stop listening to the marketing man. I'm all for innovation and moving forward, but believing the hype doesn't do us any good.
@@davecross5317 did TH-cam block my last comment? I think I put a source link in there maybe that’s why they blocked it. Anyway Tesla currently can recycle 92% of raw materials from their batteries based on all available sources. Not sure where your 50% claim comes from but maybe look into that more, or comment your source and I can look into it and maybe have my mind changed!
Growing up in the foothills of Appalachia, my grandmother burned coal in a potbelly stove on which we use to melt crayons. Keep 'em coming, John. Shares these with my kids so they learn what real journalism looks like.
It’s not about the environment it’s about who is controlling who. If they can stop you from controlling when you can or cannot leave and if you can stay warm they own you, and that is the goal.
@@hoboonwheels9289: Yes it can, like right now in the USA where the government has sabotaged oil production. Which is an attack on the US citizens since energy costs have increased across the nation. All while billions of dollars are laundered in the name of "renewable energy". Cheap energy helps bring prosperity.
That's funny because when Tesla came on scene nobody was on board with them. Not even the government. Now legacy auto manufacturers see the demand for them and all the sudden now it's a government agenda, derp
Oil is a single-source energy medium with a fragile, delicate global supply chain. Maybe if we drove cars that didn't burn the stuff, we'd save lots for other things...
One thing you did not mention is right to repair. Companies are using the switch to electric as a way of taking back control. Requiring consumers to go through them for any type of repair.
Absolutely false. I've had my EV 8 years now, had significant damage in an accident, the manufacturer never saw the vehicle. Please do some research before you spread information that you cannot prove.
@@Dan16673 All I can tell you is that I had electric motors replaced, suspension parts replaced and the manufacturer never touched the vehicle. The right-to-repair scare is just that, a scare created by the oil industry.
this is one of those perfect examples of politicians and some people just pushing and pushing their only point of view and not understanding its entirety.
The other physics problem that people don't talk about is that whatever energy you store has the potential to come out VERY quickly if the battery fails. So even if they did build some sort of Ironman/Terminator super battery, you'd be making a superbomb. If you think battery fires are bad right now, imagine if they had 10X the energy density.
@@waywardgeologist2520 Thing is, we know how to keep gasoline from igniting. Preventing a gasoline fire is a lot easier than preventing spontaneous auto-ignition of a lithium battery.
I imagine a battery farm fire that turns into a natural disaster when fire fighters can't put it out. Imagine how dangerous all that energy would be coming out all at once.
True. At least a hybrid would make more sense than electric for many, but ya. They want peasants to quit driving and just be cold in winter and hot in summer, while they fly on private jets all over the world for vacations alot and go in their mansions which probably use way more energy than average americans... If gov really care about env, Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. And maybe gov should start with gov cutting back since gov is the or one of the top polluters and energy/oil/gas/and electricity users. Especially regarding wars and military. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
You may consider it earlier if it ends up costing you $400 to fill up your tank. The free market will decide, and the future is indeed electric, regardless of what any politician wants.
@@jimmaag4274 the free market? You obviously don’t have any idea what that term means considering there hasn’t been anything remotely resembling a “free market” regarding electric cars. Government subsidies allowed Tesla to exist at all, rebates allow for the somewhat decent sales numbers and the social/political pressure campaigns have all but shamed any who point out that this isn’t the best solution.
My electric car goes down about 10 from 100 miles every year the license tab is over $300 vs $40 on gas cars then replacing a new battery the dealership said is $10000 to $12000 OMG I am now retired what to do!!
As an electrical engineer who works in a power plant specializing in battery back up systems, I have been saying this for years. I did undergrad research on solar panels at a national laboratory and the results for newer processes were not very promising. Note that this was 5 years ago so things may have changed in development but I haven't seen any at IEEE summits.
Maybe you could answer this question then I am, really asking. Question guys. I google how big an area solar panels needed to power the usa Google say small part of ONE state You say Entire usa only half the power needed. Which is correct.I am asking how to even calculate it. They say MW then KW and I not sure how to even go about calculating the answer. Hard to tell anyone that when google says i am wrong,
@@dc9mm2 Solar Panels are Toxic . . . "The land on which they were placed is no longer suitable for agriculture. Or for people to live on.” “Toxins from the solar panels, and the associated mechanical and electric equipment will have leached into the soil for 25 years. Thus, when more farmland is needed to grow food, the massive areas covered by solar panels are not a candidate.” And solar farms, like wind farms, do eat up the land. They need 450 times more ground than nuclear plants, and about 100 times as much as generating stations fueled by natural gas. NOTE: Neither Wind or Solar . . . Save the amount of Emissions & CO2 that was used to Create them . . . the more you build the LARGER the Deficit!
According to Elon Musk (who is usually right about engineering issues), the entire USA could be powered by a 100km x 100km square of Solar panels located in a sunny part of the USA. Google that topic for an analysis of the math.
@@paulrybarczyk5013 That's about 62 Miles x 62 Miles . . . . the heavy metals & Toxins would leach out of the panels and make the area unusable for human occupation after a decade.
The reason politicians love electric cars so much is that their energy source is centralized. If all cars are electric, they can control car usage by controlling the power plants. Gasoline availability on the other hand is distributed.
Power plants are already centralized. The future direction is more distributed generation via solar on the roofs of houses. For most people, a full solar roof can provide most of the energy needs of both their home and vehicles.
@@ep4169 you could still drive into work, Because the house would still be connected to the grid. It would just need way less power from it, and probably none in the summertime.
@@ep4169 Newer cars can go 300-500 miles on a charge. So a cloudy day won't stop me going 80 miles to work, and I can work at home. It also won't stop my two son's 2 mile drive to the university or my other son's 6 mile drive to his job. But the price of the electric vehicles is out of sight. I typically buy used, but a battery with 8 year warranty isn't dependable.
The range is always 30-50% less than claimed (weather dependent) i recently saw a story on a guy returning his new ev because it couldn't make the round trip on his daily commute and the manufacturers lies were misrepresentation.
i plow snow in the winter. This truck runs for 48 - 60 hours at a time sometimes. with a plow and salter drawing power there is absolutely no way an electric truck could do what this ICE truck does
No matter how many times you try to explain that to people like Greta, they'll refuse to believe it. Electric cars can be very beneficial in certain applications & really help out but only an idiot thinks everything can run off wind & solar right now. Small cheap electric commuter cars charged from rooftop solar panels (& backup wall charger) is a great idea for saving gas money commuting to work. But not for an electric snow plow that needs to run 48 hours or trying to tow something cross country in an electric truck with no tow range.
Oh well mabey we'll have to keep some diesel powered vehicles for a while, der, that's pretty rare, but most trucks have to stop regularly, and most cars don't travel more than 100km per day. So we shouldn't try to get rid of all the polluting vehicles cos some trucks have to run for a long time???
Being able to shut down the power grid or limit to 15-minute cities where you can control the travel of people could be another huge political power trip... Is that why politicians have such a focus on Electric Vehicles?
Future EV's will do 1000 Km on a single charge. You will never need to charge during the day or even look for a charger. Charging will happen slowly at night when everyone is fast asleep and all those cookers, kettles and TV's are switched off. Finally we can make use of all that electrical generating capacity that is under utilized through the day.
Gas and oil is absolutely the same problem in terms of ownership and control, do You understand it? Do You own a single oil well? no. And You'll never will. And where so You take money? from who? Noting changes. There is no global material progress. Material progress itself is like fetter itself
They have electric buses in my city. The transport company is has to replace batteries every ~3 years or 1000 charges. A battery for a bus. Imagine how huge THAT is.
I admire Stossel. I have a Tesla model Y. I love my electric vehicle. Had it for four years. Many road trips. FSD is so much better now than four years ago. Almost perfect.
I’m no engineer but I have been saying this for years to all my green friends (and the ball and chain) that it will take everything to make things work. One system isn’t enough and I live in SoCal! Thank you for saying it and thank you for having someone who knows better than I to say it too!
I can't honestly believe that Cali is really going to stop selling gas cars, there's like no way that'll happen without people going to other states to buy them.
@@skippylippy547 Oh, if I had the money I would move to Hawaii in a heartbeat. But being a working poor I have to hang on to my job in SoCal. Love my electric cars though. They have been working great for me.
@@jackson5116 You're not even allowed to go to other states. To register the car in California, it has to be emissions compliant, which means no gas cars. Also, it's not just cars, the state also planning to ban ICE commercial vehicles and small ICE power equipment.
The donkeys have shown all of us, that they don’t have to hee haw or neigh all over the field to be in control of the barn and stable. As long as they know that the rats counting the sheep vote is on their side.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
The stupidity is: the pre-assumption about global warming is wrong. Today, 10 of 10 people believe CO2 is the cause of global warming. That's not true. At very least, no one have proven that's true. It is at best an unscientific assumption. But the propaganda makes it like default fact.
Funny you reverence manipulation when you applaud a BS video that describes energy requirement in dolllars which is text book peasantry manipulation. You're the fool here
Some genuine feedback. I loved this video, as it opens the question to hard decision making when we discuss green policies. We tend to ignore nuclear as a viable alternative to increasing the grids capability to safely supply electricity to vehicles. We also fail to see the waste generated from lithium mines etc. There are no easy answers and that is why politics need to stay out of science
Or the fact that "renewable energy" has been the most subsidized form of energy production by far, yet it only constitutes a tiny fraction of the energy consumed in the country.
This. As long as we are unnecessarily terrified of nuclear energy then we're stuck with fossil fuels as our best option. The only reason we don't have more nuclear energy is simply fear.
@@herrschaftg35 The International Renewable Energy Agency tracked some $634 billion in energy-sector subsidies in 2020, and found that around 70% were fossil fuel subsidies. About 20% went to renewable power generation, 6% to biofuels and just over 3% to nuclear.
I agree with nearly everything you said, but need to clarify the grid part. Whatever form of energy generated to meet the upcoming demands will overload the existing grid infrastructure. And we are already taxing it as updating the grid is expensive, inconvenient and just not popular (see Texas).
@@herrschaftg35 except it isn’t. Have you seen how much money Exxon receives in subsidies. That one company alone receives more than wind, solar and wave
In my opinion electric cars are really only economical and convenient IF you have paid for solar on your house which are mandatory on new builds in Ca (dumb but true). They don’t make real sense for anyone else. That being said, our family has two electric cars, we charge at optimum hours so we don’t see increase at all. The less money that goes to corrupt PGE the better. We also have huge gas powered SUVs that we will never give up and spend $350 a week in gas. It’s a product, pick what makes sense. The current scare tactics with EVs blowing up is ridiculous. Gas cars have a flammable tank of gas in it…. Come on man - as Brandon would say.
When are you going to get joe Biden out of office we can stand another year of him or the democrats these kids need to wake up and stop listening to the Bidens and democrats.
@@Argedis I will cite my comment here in order for you to skim thourhg it and look at some of the lies told in the video: =*=*=*= · 1. The solar panel claim is completely false. The most the US grid has demanded in an hour is 720 gigawatthours. Even in winter, which is obviously the season with the least sun, an average square meter of US land will get around 3kWh energy/day from the sun (on summer, it's more like 8 and the numbers are obviously higher for sunnier states like Arizona). 3kW/h per day is 125 Wh. Now, accounting for the fact that solar panels harvest around 15% of the solar energy they receive and even accounting for the fact that some space would have to be left for other infraestructure to support solar (let's be quite pessimistic and say only 75% percent of solar infraestructure area is solar panels), the total area required would be: 720,000,000,000 Wh / (125 Wh/m^2 * 0.15 * 0.75) = 51,200,000,000 m^2 = 51,200 Km^2. And the US is 9,834,000 Km^2 big. In fact, Texas alone for example is 695,662 Km^2 big. So, even if we put ourselves at the worst-case scenario (record demand in december with innefficiently placed and badly located solar panels), all the solar panels required to cover the demand would fit in 0.5% on the US or like less than a twelfth of Texas. I've just checked and my result agrees with studies such as a 2013 study by the National Renewable Energy Labs (NREL), which estimated (with 2013 efficiency numbers) that the area required is around 55,037 Km^2. Not that you would want to do that, it would be stupid to only use a single energy resource and call it a day, but it demonstrates how big of a lie the statement was. Solar is more than efficient enough to be viable · 2. No person that actually knows something about energy will tell you that we need to cover all of our storage needs with lithium-ion batteries. Batteries work well on a small scale (like phones, laptops, housing appliances, cars or maybe even as backups for homes). Despite of that, they are really innefficient and expensive on a larger scale. There are other methods (like gravity-based water pumping, electrolizers or air compresion, just to name a few) that are much better suited for the task of storing large amounts of energy, and those are the ones that would be used as energy storage and taken into account in a clean electrical grid. · 3. "But wind and solar are so unstable and that makes them unviable". Wind and solar, are not the only CO2-free tools that we have. In addition to the energy storage already mentioned, nuclear and hydroelectric energy (and with less importance, geothermal energy) provide a stable stream of electicity at a competitive cost while generating practically no CO2 emissions. Studies such as N. Sepulveda J. D. Jenkins et al. (2018), "The Role of Firm Low-Carbon Electricity Resources in Deep Decarbonization of Power Generation" have concluded that combining renewables such as solar and wind with energy storage (like the ones mentioned in 2) and with these stable sources of power would be confortambly be able to cover 100% of the elecricity demand while producing practically no CO2 and while not raising the costs of electricity. In fact, given the war in Ukraine, how OPEC is jacking up fossil fuel prices and other geopolitical factors that won't fade away soon, we'd be much better of if our main source of electricity weren't fossil fuels. Renewable electricity prices have now been consistently cheaper for many years, but specially now. And there's many more things that I've seen being wrongly claimed in your videos, but this one was the straw that broke the camel's back, almost nothing contained in it was based on reality, but in a false imaginary world taht we don't live in. If you want to keep making content like this, fine, you can do so, but know that you are simply promoting lies and false information to your audience. It's never too late to accept a mistake like this. =*=*= I personally also think that electric cars aren't a good solution for transporting people, but because cars themselves aren't a good option and have never been (that's another thing that the US doesn't get). In my opinion, he's defending the right thing but based on completely wrong premises and information. Electric cars won't solve climate change, they probably won't even help that much at all. But we shouldn't defend that with lies; he is just making it easy for those that think they are useful for dealing with climate change (or at least they say so in order to appear 'green' or for personal or monetary gain) to defend their (quite wrong) position. That should cover it.
@@adrianv.v.4445 Everything you said is theoretical, here are the real world numbers. Per the EPA the daily energy use of all American Households 3.58 billion kWh - that's not including commercial or industrial. Consumer grade 200W Solar Panels are 2ft x 5ft and around $250 ea. In the real world they only produce around 150W. You would need 10 of them = 20 ft x 5 ft to get 1500W which is barely enough to get "Level 1" standard plug charging on an EV which only gives you 1-3 miles per hour, or run a Microwave. In other words with 100 Sq Ft of solar panels you only get 1.5 kWh assuming full sun. The US is 3,717,792 Sq miles. If you do the math per my 100sq ft / 1.5kWh you only get 294 million kWh - it's not even close. But that was calculating it for 1hr lets say 10hrs of full sunlight (not accounting for sunrise/sunset losses) that's 2.94 billion kWh which is closer but still not enough and like I said that's barely accounting for residential only.
There was a time in day where he wasn't. Like running around in the late 90s trying to break the news that "wrestling is fake" as if it was some world breaking development. Reminded me of if you're in a movie and the bad guy gets shot 20 times and your friend leans over and goes "you know he's just an actor, and not really dead" - The worst.
I work for a power company, when they run through their 20 year plan to go green it's just dumb. It's basically a mystery box of some future battery technology.
Thankyou for posting this. I love EVs too, however, I'm grateful for people like yourself, Jordan Peterson and others for bring some sober and balanced thinking into this crazy time
Stossel's video was soaked in oil, friend. It presents no objective data, didn't interview a single EV expert, just an oil-industry advocate. Jordan Petersen is a behavioral scientist, not an engineer.
@@TehButterflyEffect I ignore nothing, but nice try at an insult. Electricity will always be cheaper than petroleum. Electricity has multiple sources, petroleum only one. Electricity can be generated 100% domestically (wind, hydro, solar) if we want, whereas petroleum has a global, delicate supply chain and artificial pricing. Remember $5 gas? Did overall demand or supply change? Nope. The oil companies charge whatever YOU think they can justify. The highest profit the oil companies have made is during the $5 price increase. During my 20 years at my current residence, electricity has only gone up 15%. The price of gasoline, however, has gone from 1.x to 3x to 1.5x to 2x over the last 10 years.
@@TehButterflyEffect "t presented lots of objective facts, you just chose to ignore them." What you mean is that the video presented what you're used to. Did you notice, or ignore, that the only "expert" on the interview was paid by the oil industry? No EV experts allowed! Did you notice that John Stossel already retracted his solar energy estimates? An EV/renewable energy person would've pointed that out immediately. It's YOU, friend, that's ignoring facts.
@@justsomeguy934 Electricity will not always be cheaper than petroleum. Remember the Trump years when domestic oil and gas production increased a bunch and prices fell? If you want to talk about high oil costs, let's talk about the real reason. We could supply 100% of our own fuel domestically, but we don't because environmental lobbyists think that buying it from overseas is somehow better. Who is really behind that? If we produced 100% domestically, fuel would be so cheap and plentiful that nobody would even think about buying electric cars for economic reasons. Oh and by the way, even USAToday, which is a left-leaning, pro-EV news source admitted that electric car refueling costs grew higher than gasoline car refilling costs last year. The ONLY way to have cheap electricity is to go 100% nuclear, but that won't happen because everyone wants to focus on terrible, inefficient "renewable" electricity generation. I've been studying this topic for nearly 20 years. The only thing that's changed is even more push for more expensive electric generation sources.
Have a good friend that is a engineer at a 'name brand' battery manufacturer . He stopped telling people where he worked because (to paraphrase )"He was tired of being lectured to by people with no electrical engineering background" when he stated the reality of battery manufacturing's future !
Even without electrical engineering knowledge, most people know that we don't have the infrastructure to support the added strain on an already taxed electrical grid.
@@MbeyaIsHomeExcept you won’t be driving in winter when temps are sub-freezing and when you are able to venture out in near-freezing temps, your batteries will only operate at 50% capacity (or less) so you’ll be spending twice as much (or more) than you think you will. Meanwhile, my IC will continue to function just fine as I drive past your stranded EV stuck in your driveway with a dead battery…. 😂
@@donmunro144, "most people" have for decades been propagandized by the fossil fuel industry against EVs, so it is no surprise that many believe a bunch of nonsense. Almost no EVs are charged during peak demand. The need to sculpt ratepayer behavior is why I was doing smart meter R&D in the previous century.
In the UK they are stealing all the EV cables that charge the cars and taking them to scrap yard and selling them for £50 each so when you have forty or more it's a lot of money 💰.....
This is about the auto market. EVs are just way nicer to drive and maintain. The pollution savings are a bonus on top of that. It is like having a top end luxury car drive train at main stream price points. But of course even smoother, quieter and more responsive.
@@nancypelosi480 I don't have any questions and I did watch the video. It is misleading at best. The problem with the grid, Nancy, has NOTHING to do with EVs. That's like telling people not to shoot their guns because there is a bullet shortage. Besides, the real threat to the grid are CMEs not EVs
@Fishy you're wrong and almost every account. They are not more expensive than other cars in their class. A 2023 Escalade starts at $80,000 and goes up to $105,000. Compare that to a Model X. I can go on with every model. They are as comparable to cars in their class, and year over year they will become less expensive as the cost of scale gets cheaper. This is simple math. Regarding mileage, the average is about 300 miles per charge right now, which is about the average mile per tank of gas. 95% of the people on this planet don't drive more then 50 miles a day. With the exception of Long haul trucking, which is another topic entirely, nobody's traveling 300 miles a day so it's an utterly moot point. In the event you do need to travel more than 300 miles a day like if you want to drive from Northern California to Southern California you stop one time for a half hour and charge. Big deal it's not some conspiracy theory. You are correct demand outstrip supply right now but with giga Texas, giga Berlin, giga Shanghai, and two other rumored plants to start operating, it'll be a couple short years before Tesla is turning out more vehicles than GM and Ford combined. Your words tell me you're one of these cookie conspiracy theorists who probably also believes in chemtrails. You believe in chemtrails don't you
@Fishy additionally your claim that there is not enough lithium on the planet is provably false. Lithium is one of the most abundant elements on the planet. Look it up for once look it up. Nevertheless battery technology is temporary. The EV will not be running on electric batteries 20 years in the future. Just in my time with hobby grade electric vehicles I've seen it go from alkaline to nickel cadmium to nickel metal hydride to lithium ion and lithium polymer. I am 100% certain changes will also be made in the current battery technology it's just what progress does. You can argue and debate at all you want I really don't care the change is coming whether you want it or not the paradigm shift has already begun
Excellent video. I just read Rivian Motors loses tens of thousands of dollars on every vehicle they sell, yet they will not go broke as the governments, all of them, will prop them up on YOUR dime (an old euphemism)
Do you have any idea how much debt GM Ford and all the OEM has .. they need to die .. and yes no government bail outs .. startups like rivian burn cash at their beginning let them breath .. no government bail out though
The electric truck designers didn't seem to be using much common sense. They have little tow range, it'd make much more sense to build diesel/electric hybrid truck. So when you need to tow something across the state, you can run the generator to keep the batteries charged while driving. Instead of towing for like 80 miles then having to stop for 8 hrs to recharge.
During Hurricane Sandy in 2012, we had No electric for 20 days. The only thing which saved us from Freezing and Starving was our Gas Stove!! If anyone want to take this life savior from my house, he better come in the tank!
Yeah, I remember that storm and because we had no electricity we did and we still do have a portable gasoline generator but now we actually have a propane generator on standby in case the power does go out. We were able to keep some of the lights on thanks to the power of gasoline.
Oh man, I've been arguing this exact same set of realities for YEARS now. Local towns like mine are having fever dreams about electric charging in every home, until I point out, we'd have to dig up and replace EVERY SINGLE POWER LINE to at least double capacity, with zero guarantee our electric grid can even generate that much power so quickly. And I'm berated for being "out in the weeds."
That makes no sense. People are charging EVs at home now without doubling their power consumption. It costs less than $50 extra a month (far less in most cases) to charge an EV. And even if that is somehow “doubling” electrical use it’s mostly done at night off-peak. Nobody has to upgrade their power input to charge an EV or even three of them at once.
@@ConservatEV per evannex website "youl'll need to use about 50kWh of energy to fully charge a standard range model 3 battery". So if you charge your car every day that is 50kWh x 30 days = 1500 kwh per month. Per energyusage website, the average home in my state uses 1353 kWh per month. So the ave household usage is doubled. Try to be honest about this.. lying is not helping you..
@@ConservatEV The fact of the matter is that CERTAIN people are charging their vehicles at home without doubling their power consumption. Many people live in apartments or other places where options of charging through less expensive means at home is not possible. If you drive a few km/m a day then sure. But the point isn't that someone couldn't own three tesla's and charge them at home. The point is that if EVERYONE has a Tesla and EVERYONE is charging them at night, night becomes a Peak time with that energy draw and if you're not paying double now, you will be later... Especially when they have to upgrade the grid to allow for the massive increase in load.
If they make illegal EV charging from 5pm to 11pm this quarter of day then the Electric Grid can handle EVs, the grid normally operates at 70% capacity of power lines and power plants. England is installing machinery so you won't be able to charge 5-11 the charger just wont turn on...... So EVs could be used if smart the problem is they are expensive to buy so mean to poor people, adn a hassle to charge for the half who don't own a house. And they cut energy and pollution need of cars just 40%, its not a silver bullet, just a helpful step that will be a costly pain to do. There is no green way to move a worker 50 miles total a day, to a distant job across town, its like saying we can have a green bonfire, we can cut pollution a bit from commuting but still are moving 5000pounds fast 2x a day it cant be green. Same with big houses, more than a hut. Same with having 20 electronic devices and internet. We live like Gods in West unlike some poor African, and unless we give it up we'll no matter what probably pollute 50% as much as in 1990 per person. . . . . .
@@mostlyguesses8385 so what happens when everyone has an EV to charge at the time that you specify at night? Instead of say 500 EVs in a given branch of the grid, that it is 10,000 on a given branch.. What then?
Here's some of changes the green crowd demanded: 1.) That companies that make drinks in glass bottles stop using glass and package their products in plastic bottles. The results: When drinks were in glass bottles people would collect and turn them in for a deposit and the glass bottles recycled. After the shift to plastic bottles there were plastic bottles littering roadsides and such. Very few states have a deposit on plastic bottles. 2.) Said flushing a toilet used too much water and demanded the tanks hold less water or bricks be placed in the tanks to reduce water usage. The result: Now instead of getting that turd to flush the first time, you have to flush 2,3 times using more water than the old tanks to get the same size turds to flush. 3.) Demand plastic straws be banned and replaced with paper straws. The result: Paper straws wrapped in plastic. The cutting down of more trees to make the paper to make paper straws. And they consider themselves experts. LOL
There was a time when governments invested in Blue Sky projects. Thatcher in the UK started a project for our space programme (HOTOL)that involved atmospheric engines (used oxygen in the atmosphere as fuel) and it as scrapped. Dyson vacuum cleaners started in a garden shed. Sir Clive Sinclair started the home computer craze with the ZX80. These developments based on imagination no longer exist. 1. Instead of replacing oil with electricity, look for a different fuel (water apparently) 2. Invest in nuclear power and move the tech forward. 3. Invest in fusion research and advance that development. 4. Force related companies to release the patents they have in cold storage. 5. spend money on ideas that have potential instead of ideas that bring profit. Our advancement is being crippled by the brain dead in power and corporate greed.
@@halvorthmorvair1805 like what you had to say. So sad things have gotten to this point. It seems the world is just gotten stupid, especially here in the US.
The original version of this video has been updated. We originally said that covering "the entire continental United States with solar panels would not supply half of America’s electricity.” But the study we cited for this fact has been updated. Therefore our reference to it has been removed.
Well it's all over the web which a simple search will tell you. depends on insolation and who much is electric energy versus other types of power.
Here in Australia it's about a thousand sq km for total electrical load.
Wait what? Then how is 20% of electricity renewable!? Is 40% of America covered in solar panels!? Are you trying to mislead people?
You should had left that solar panel video. All that free electricity paying it self again and again would have been an hilarious backfire to your gas and oil employers Lol 😆 😂 🤣
John, what are the advantages? How about a full story from both sides. Give us the facts and let us determine our opinions.
Double the electricity grid to provide the charging capacity for BEVs. How much to replace the heating with oil and gas with inefficient heat pumps.
The UK government wants to fit a million heat pumps a year over the next decade. The UK National Grid says we only have capacity in the grid for 900,000 total.
One thing to remember: Politician's by and large are not elected because they are competent at governing. They are elected because they are good at campaigning, fund raising, pandering, and cutting back room deals. In other words, we are largely governed by the world's Marketing Department. And "going green" is good PR, even if the facts don't support it.
You forgot to mention opaque elections with secret proprietary voting machines easily manipulated in either direction in a two party system.
This is why I hold a distinction between a politician and a statesman. Politicians are more or less as you say. Statesmen are those who old the same political positions as politicians, but care more about doing their job than getting reelected (and before anyone says anything, no, JFK was not a statesman).
edit: Minor addendum, a statesman might be good or bad at their job, but at the very least, they are actually trying to do their job.
@@whyjnot420 Either way, you’re still gonna run into the problem of the well-intentioned statesman causing more problems than they solve. Unfortunately, good intentions are no shield against bad results.
you forgot "they are elected because they are good at . . . lying and cheating".
hmm, actually it depends very much on which facts fool you the most. For instance the fact that you would need 2x of US area covered in solar panels to produce all the energy used in US, or the fact that 12% of used energy in US is already renewable and if that number is multiplied just by 8, the entire US energy needs would be met; or the fact that specifically for all electricity used in US you would only need 1000 sq.mi of solar panels to produce. ...all are true, but just the first is mentioned in this video.
Another easier to understand fact: off grid, with a modest 5kWh solar panel system you would be able charge your electric car the equivalent of 100miles every sunny day for free.
Simple solution: stop listening to politicians. They really don’t care about anything or anyone except their bank account.
👍. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
Wrong! Listen to politicians. Just because you hear someone's words, that doesn't mean you have to go and jump off of the ledge they just said you need to jump off of.
But every once in awhile, you can accidentally stumble upon an honest politician, or a good person who is a politician. And you do it by doing the same thing.
Listening.
@@bvegannow1936 or. Stop Desiring or expecting or finding yourself needing anything from the government. Because even in giving that to you, they will screw it up and screw you over.
and bureaucrats!
@@mgtowdadTH-camSucksCoxks honest politicians either lose elections or are slandered by the MSN..
It's not a transition to electric, it's a transition to end of vehicle ownership, end of property ownership, end of consumption, end of privacy, and global totalitarian control.
Yep. John the gatekeeper has to stick to the controlled opposition plan...
Yes! They want peasants to quit driving and be cold in winter and hot in summer, while they fly on private jets all over the world for vacations alot and go in their mansions...
If gov really care about env, Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. And maybe gov should start with gov cutting back since gov is one of the top polluters and energy/oil/gas/and electricity users.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
This person gets it.
No, it's a path to freedom by generation your own power and driving with it, as I do with my solar panels and EV. I haven't paid for slave gasoline in several years and pay no power bill. Totalitarian control is when the few oil companies and power utilities OWN your ass.
Bingo! We have a winner. Moving people to the cities is key to this plan. The world is devolving, while some believe it is progressing.
My friend's brand new electric car just left her stranded with a full charge.
It gave her a minute warning before it shut off.
It had to be towed to the next city because nobody here can fix it.
They still don't know what went wrong.
I'm sitting in my 1987 Toyota Corolla and can pick from most any repair shop if it breaks.
And this is why Ukraine and non-fadboy pilots use combustion RC helicopters when they need longer flight times and higher efficiency instead of battery packs. Takes less space and flys far longer.
Also batteries haven’t improved in size or capacity in the past 12 years. Companies make it seem that way buy finally giving better cells to those spoonfed types who can’t shop or search things out on their own but AAs and 18650s for example still have the same max capacity as the ones I got in 2012. Some Chinese companies will fake it by putting a 5000mAh label on their 18650 but no such thing actually exists
In early 2020, when I started seeing politicians became scientists and scientists became politicians, I knew the world is really screwed.
Insightful clever comment.
The same thing has been happening with medical care politicians thinking that they are doctors
@@jimcaldwell2755 Don't forget the real doctors that have to agree with those employers that are funding them!
@@jimcaldwell2755 It's totally mercenary: The elites are creating an energy monopoly. It doesn't matter if it works for the people, it just needs to maximize profits for the few... And WAY too many of us refuse to see what's right in front of us.
now the politicians think they are doctors by deciding if a pregnancy should be terminated or not.
No gas stoves, no wood stoves, no gasoline- basically all the lifelines if the power goes out for days. Last winter we had an ice storm in the middle of winter and the power was off for 3-5 days. At least you could run a generator, build a fire, or sit in your car if worst came to worse. These environmentalists are really anti human sadists
I’ve come to the conclusion that the government won’t be happy until we’re living in caves again
True. This is what Joey and Kamala have in store for us all.
This is why the government will only pay for 75% of your solar panels.
You're lucky you had other options of heat and warmth. Had those natural gas and gasoline powered options NOT been available, you may not be here to voice your concerns. Thanks for the update. We need options and NOT mandated "electric only" appliances/vehicles.
Most of them are just useful idiots at this point.
The best line of the video is, "we had our energy systems designed by bureaucrats instead of by engineers."
And that explains the problem.
As an engineer this made me smile.
I disagree. I think the best line is "we're going to need everything," which includes EVs. The world only has 45 years of Proven crude oil reserves left at current consumption levels. (EIA)
Tesla was launched in 2001. It took 22 years to get where we are with EVs and there's a long way to go. Anyone who cares would want to conserve crude as much as possible.
@@IndependentThoughts911 "The world only has 45 years of Proven crude oil reserves left at current consumption levels." Utter nonsense! In 1979, it was predicted that we only had 65 years of oil. In 1999, it was again predicted that we had only 65 years of oil. No one knows how much oil there is, and no one knows what technologies will be invented to locate and extract more oil.
That explains everything
Blessings from Taiwan 🇹🇼 🎉
Thank you for your inconvenient facts. Eye opening 🤯
Hope the world will be BETTER each day ✌️🌍👍
Jesus loves everyone 😇 ❤️
So, it's going to be another one of those things where experts shout reality for years and then years later the politicians cry "we just didn't know!"
Yes. And, OF COURSE, steal more taxpayer money to pay for THEIR GREED AND IGNORANCE.
I'm sure they'll tell us all we need to forgive each other. Green Energy Amnesty has quite the ring to it, doesn't it?
@@wtfserpico Ring, Ring.., just like Xi Ping?
My Dad told me when I was 13, "the ONLY good politician is a DEAD one". I did not know what he was trying to tell me, NOW I know. :(
They are doing it now with Covid...
I worked for a major public utility in Southern California for over 22 years. When deregulation was proposed and accepted, this utility was fully on-board and sold a number of its power plants in the LA Basin to companies outside the region. It significantly reduced their yearly costs from a personnel and maintenance perspective. A few of these were base load plants but the majority were what we called "spinning reserve." It allowed the authority that addressed the shifting daily needs of the region to provide the needed power. At times even this spinning reserve was not enough to meet the daily demand, and thus power from external sources was needed to make up the difference. But power was available and rarely were there any brownouts or full blackouts.
Then the companies that had purchased the power plants, who were required to make them available for baseload and spinning reserve, played a game taking them down for maintenance and other issues. Of course, they supplied power from their other generating facilities outside the state on the spot market, at a higher price point.
Then the state stepped in and prohibited the use of once-through cooling using natural resource water, so ocean, lake, and river water were no longer available for cooling the plant and the older facilities would need to build cooling towers to provide the needed heat sink. Of course, some of these plants were built in the 30s, 40s, and 50s and no land had been set aside to build that type of infrastructure. In addition, building those type of facilities are expensive and when you are operating on thin margins, to begin with, the cost-benefit is not there and the regulatory hoops that you would need to jump through were significant, see California Coastal Commission, Environmental Impact Reports, and potential neighbor opposition. So, what happened? Shut those plants down, and we will purchase power from other power generators outside the region.
Increase in electricity costs and rolling blackouts. Generators outside the region are required to service their regional customers first and any surplus can be placed on the spot market, but if you are at capacity for your local distribution, no surplus and the others that need additional energy are just out of luck.
No major electrical generating facilities have been built in California for a number of years and in fact, more have been shut down. This is a trend across the country and until someone with a backbone steps up, it will only get worse. All of the alternative narratives around solar, wind, and other alternative sources will not replace baseload requirements, particularly when the sun goes down or the wind stops blowing.
The ignorance of the general public about this issue is frightening as is the overwhelming noise from the alternative energy voices that drowns out those trying to deal with this from a realistic perspective. I'm an old guy and won't be around that much longer, but I wonder what my children's lives will be like. I think I lived in a sort of golden age and the future looks like 💩.
(5:17) _systems designed by bureaucrats instead of by engineers_
Except California basically has no base load requirements any more and hasn't for some years. Its not even a question... its in the data.
Have you looked at the duck curves on the CAISO? Particularly in spring? There are periods where traditional base-load-capable sources fall below 3GW of generation with evening ramps that are insane.
For example, take a spring day... May 10th 2022. About 27GW of peak demand. 16GW 3-hour ramp starting at 5pm and only 5GW of traditional base-load-capable generation on. Not to mention 80% renewables across the mid-day with non-renewable sources falling to 3GW.
That is what the system is capable of doing now. And its doing it essentially without any real base load requirements. The state doesn't even need to carefully match traditional generation sources (mostly natural gas and imports) against load during the peak evening ramp, even though the traditional sources are handling most of the ramp.
It just needs to be within a gigawatt or so and the 3GW worth of batteries with what I'm guessing are around 20mS response times take care of the rest. Literally.
This isn't the grid you knew 22 years ago.
The ignorance of the populace in general is frightening . Just look how we vote !! Our children and grandchildren will never see the America us older folks experienced ...
The problem of peaker plants was solved in Australia with huge batteries reserves. California is building battery reserves that will dwarf the Australian ones. All that excess solar and wind power that doesn't get used can be stored to take the place of spot spikes in energy usage when the sun is down and wind isn't blowing. Golden age is already here. We just haven't gotten to the middle where everything is gold.
And those battery storage facilities are pretty expensive for the power they store. Yes, it is better than nothing and should be used as a bridge to the future, when better electrical storage means become available, but the cost to extract, refine and produce the battery active material to build storage batteries will be pretty large and it will damage the environment. Digging ore from the ground always does.
As Thomas Sowell once said, "There are no solutions, only trade-offs". The more I watch Stossel, the more apparent that statement becomes. Thank you sir!
Funny you mention TS cause when I heard the statement "made by bureaucrats, not engineers" I thought of his book "the vision of the anointed" who are those bureaucrats who pay no price for being wrong.
My favourite reporter. Insightful, to the point, and well researched. Tackling issues the mainstream media are ignoring.
Well researched meaning talked to one biased expert?
Think I saw him in Dark Waters. Amazing movie about PFAS 'forever chemicals"
It's just another way for politicians to separate people and have something to fight over. Having a solution to the problem we don't have by creating a bigger problem is not the answer
Divide and conquer.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
I believe it was Eisenhower who said "whenever I am confronted by a tricky problem, I simply make it bigger".
for politicians to separate people from their money ...
@@JH-ex6mb pull the reverse uno card. Divide & conquer THEM
'Infantile' is the best description for the eco-nuts. I'm glad someone finally said it on a produced segment.
When "Science" becomes God, you know you are in for quite the propaganda-fueled ride!
I liked the part when the girl threw soup at a painting and saved the planet
I agree with this statement, but it doesn't justify the MANY inaccura ies in the video. We should be using accurate facts unlike the nuts he's attacting, not equally stupid exaggerations like he has in this video.
@@justoncheney7172 What are the inaccuracies?
Got to love people who don't see anything wrong with huffing exhaust fumes.... They're definitely the more educated ones, amiright? Lol
California: get you electric vehicles but don't charge them, sit, don't move, come here, go there, don't eat that, don't breath, don't think....mission accomplished 😈
You forgot $15 hr to make a BIG Mac 😊
In california they want to take everyone's firearm so they can force the citizens to buy ev's.
I think a Big Mac just went to $20.
i dont like the culture that go to MCd so i learned not to eat that craps it not worth the time to shit it out
Except the illegals and the welfare minorities.
I just came from my car dealership for a service, and I asked my tech how sales of EVs are going and he told me NOBODY is buying them…
My experience also.
Then they will just have to *force* us to buy them. And you know they will.
I am not forced into buying anything.
The cars are crap trucks even worse !
@@deathevokation1017yet
The politicians are little more than salesmen. The people actually making up these policies know full-well what the effects will be. Electric cars mean driving becomes a special occasion for most people. “Net zero” means air travel becomes a rare event, for most people. For heaven’s sake, at least look at what you are actually being told.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
@@bvegannow1936 I'd love to grow my own food, except that's what we call a "farmer" . It is a full.timr occupation
With this logic they would have stopped making cell phones in the 80’s and flat screens in the 2000’s just because they started out expensive. Technology adoption follows falling cost curves until its affordable for everyone. Read Crossing the Chasm to understand this better.
@@drewgoodman7932 Cell phones and flat screens weren't mandated by govt. They were chosen by the market.
@@bvegannow1936 Who is stopping you from growing food on an acre of land?
Must be California or Oregon.
Thank heavens people are finally saying these things that us rational people have been saying for years.
Ya well this is what you get when no nothing children are in charge of running the country!! 🙄😡
@Advanced Driving Yes, the most idiotic claim in this video is that we need to cover the entire U.S. with solar panels to meet our energy needs. The true number is a tiny portion of one of the 50 states. Anyone with a fully electric car and home does not need to even cover their entire roof to meet the energy needs, let alone their entire yard, let alone the entire expansive empty space in the country.
We could easily fix this problem by "plugging in" all the eco-activists into the Matrix that could provide free electricity to the rest of us while they "live" in their computer created fantasy world.
@@dmacm looking into it, I found estimates all over the place.
@Advanced Driving Pick a time slot?!?! I don't want to take time to "schedule" a time to charge my car. What if my plans change? What if I have something important come up? When I need power I want it on my schedule not the charging station! And have you been on the major hi ways lately? They are busy busy busy, with thousands of cars across the nation traveling our great interstate system. They aren't charging at home. Charging at third party chargers is inconsistant and very slow. If the charger even works at all.
This isn't about efficiency.... It's about control.
I wish all the lemmings would do some research and come to this conclusion. You, my friend,are correct!
youtube and legacy media ensure these educated idiots dont get the info they need lol. Many these days lack the common sense to boil water let alone read an analog clock.
Not about efficiency? More gas huffer babble. Only 12% to 30% of the energy in gasoline is used to move a vehicle, with most of the remaining energy lost as heat. With EVs, over 77% of the energy in electricity is converted into movement when including regenerative braking. Now, your turn. Explain in a coherent way, with evidence, how a different way to turn wheels is some sort of plot for a one world order.
and oils wasnt about control?? they control the world with oil they dictate when your economy goes up and down to suit them
@@headstashmusic3897 How much does mining of precious metals consume fuel and affect the environment? or producing the batteries? or discarding them or recycling them? and how much fuel do you need to create the energy to charge your car? how long does the car even last when the battery goes bad and is cheaper to buy a new one? I could go on and on. I think its time for you to go and get boosted.
I was dumb enough to lease a Tesla because my wife wanted one. Insurance doubled. Every trip has to be preplanned, spontaneity goes out the window. It eats tires due to weight and torque. Updates to my phone disconnect it from the car. I have to delete and reinstall or the car won’t move. Full self driving is a joke, most drunks do a better job. Ghost braking, enough said. The worst part is the fact that Tesla can see me wherever I am, see how fast or slow I drive and with the cabin camera, invade my privacy if they so wish. This is big brother on steroids. When my lease is up, I’m going back to Honda or Toyota.
Tires made of oil, plastic also...
Not a chance in Hell would I ever sign up for that kind of Bullshit. My 1990 F-150 runs great and always starts when it’s cold outside.
Are you a technologically "challenged" Boomer? We've owned 2 Teslas since 2018, and never experienced your phone problem. Maybe your grandchildren can help you figure out how to use your phone?
@@libertarian4323 I can tell you're the type of loser who considers any opinion wrong unless it's your own except you don't even have an opinion of your own as your brain merely copies what news tell you. You're an NPC 😂
@@libertarian4323maybe you didn’t have the software issues , but this man make many other valid points - there are many side issues to owning an EV - it’s not all roses and EV’s are absolutely doing nothing to save the planet - they are far from green , it’s simply another form of travel that may work well for some but not the majority with the current technologies we have . It’s a fact they are too expensive , insurances are going up , residual values are going down , tyres wear out faster , it’s not always convenient to charge them , good luck charging when there a grid problems ! There are safety concerns which are often more challenging and costly to deal with compared to ICE engines ! They are currently not the answer and the fact is many people now return to ICE cars , sales are dropping like a stone in water, well they are in Europe !
Stossel once again reminding us what actual journalism looks like. We need more like him.
why do you think ABC wanted him gone?
Be skeptical of everyone including Stossel. Think for yourself as difficult as it is.
I have solar panels on my house and my electric bill is less, but I don’t think I can plug in a car.
@@tyronmegawatts6580 I'm bit of a petrol head, crotch rockets of my youth to 'old fangled' BMW M3 with screaming 9k revving V8 today.
Petrol is still crucial and I hope to be able to afford it in 2030, but for the 1st time since the automobile took American streets, the cost per mile changes, will drop by 4X (roughly--depending on local petrol vs electric costs) and you just plug in at home happy to never visit a gas station nor oil change or other maintenance.
Mid class and lower will be chief beneficiaries of reduced transport costs.
@@tyronmegawatts6580 IDK your situation but I expect to power home and BEV off roof solar for new home build here in N. Commifornia sun.
I’d like to see another inconvenient fact of solar panels and batteries primarily made in China due to cheap labor and ENERGY… due to massive amounts of coal plants. It’s about 75% of the global market, ALL made in China.
and also many extremely dangerous chemicals are used to make solar panel, in China NO regulations are followed to dispose of those extremely dangerous compounds
@@pablopicaro7649 Every time you hear about solar panels becoming cheaper, just know that it’s a lot cheaper to dump chemicals into waterways and force children to work in your factories than hire Union workers in the US.
Economies of scale-as China mass-producing anything the price per unit goes down. Outcompeting China is impossible without actual will to invest billions in local production and resource extraction. Instead they're invested in purchasing panels and getting kickbacks, and to lobby these decisions.
@@VladK-1 it’s also impossible due to the restrictions countries like the U.S. have on energy and other environmental agency restrictions that don’t exist in China. Which allows their startup companies to be more profitable (on top of cheap labor and tariff rates) at the get go, before taking into account of the resulting economies of scale.
@@grantduke318 Democrats and RINOs have been slowly strangling our sources of energy for decades. Nuclear reactors would solve many of these issues but that is just one more thing, those who have a blood lust to control us, have killed off.
The grid is limited, but I guarantee you that Newsom will never be shivering or sweating when that rationing occurs. Nor will any of the high-profile politicians pushing this madness. Believe me, they will be comfortable.
Correct,they will isolate themselves while the poor suffer.We already see this with crime and immigration,they have armed guards and kicked ilegal aliens from Martha's Vineyard very quickly.
Well enjoy your horse and buggy while everybody else rides by you enjoying technology and actually using their brains. And just remember that over 70% of America's gross domestic product comes from progressive states. But you're probably a loser and don't really wanna hear that.
And they will still fly everywhere burning fuel.
@@lindaprice768 well he is busy running an economy that is about the fourth largest in the entire world. Newsome rocks! And don't forget that over 70% of the gross domestic product in the United States comes from progressive states! Republicans don't know their head from a hole in the ground.
Are they going to invent Private Luxury Electric Jet Planes, HMM 🧐 ?
I live on the outskirts of an urban area and we couldn't keep the electricity going during the sub-zero weather this week. Good luck with the power grid when everyone is trying to stay warm.
In Arizona it was strange how quiet they kept about a fire at a battery storage facility that burned for nearly two weeks, not much said about it afterwards either.
This wasn't even the first one to happen, they'd had these battery farms where they store power go up in flames multiple times, but they don't say much about the harmful side effects to the area or the environment afterwards when all the junk needs cleaned up, their a wee bit shy of saying anything that will upset the cart.
Dar - We love they way you folks run your elections. LOL. 🤣
@@skippylippy547
Chaotic beaucracy at its best 👌
It's like wind farms. Apparently about 3 in 1,000 windmills just burst into flames each year - though that is almost never mentioned. Look when taking a road trip, you'll see charred ones.
Where was this 2 week battery fire?
@@1KentKent
In Chandler, AZ at a SRP project site with
AES Battery Warehouse
im an engineer.. weve been shouting these things for over 50 years..its incredible
where we have come with worldwide insanity
your an engineer and you couldnt spot the falsifications in this?
@@socoj2 like what?
@@Zure467 I would tell you to read my comment but I think it's just better if I copypaste it there for you to easily skim through it:
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The majority of the claims made here against renewable energy are disingenuous at best and some are outright lies. A few examples:
· 1. The solar panel claim is completely false. The most the US grid has demanded in an hour is 720 gigawatthours. Even in winter, which is obviously the season with the least sun, an average square meter of US land will get around 3kWh energy/day from the sun (on summer, it's more like 8 and the numbers are obviously higher for sunnier states like Arizona). 3kW/h per day is 125 Wh. Now, accounting for the fact that solar panels harvest around 15% of the solar energy they receive and even accounting for the fact that some space would have to be left for other infraestructure to support solar (let's be quite pessimistic and say only 75% percent of solar infraestructure area is solar panels), the total area required would be:
720,000,000,000 Wh / (125 Wh/m^2 * 0.15 * 0.75) = 51,200,000,000 m^2 = 51,200 Km^2. And the US is 9,834,000 Km^2 big. In fact, Texas alone for example is 695,662 Km^2 big.
So, even if we put ourselves at the worst-case scenario (record demand in december with innefficiently placed and badly located solar panels), all the solar panels required to cover the demand would fit in 0.5% on the US or like less than a twelfth of Texas. I've just checked and my result agrees with studies such as a 2013 study by the National Renewable Energy Labs (NREL), which estimated (with 2013 efficiency numbers) that the area required is around 55,037 Km^2.
Not that you would want to do that, it would be stupid to only use a single energy resource and call it a day, but it demonstrates how big of a lie the statement was. Solar is more than efficient enough to be viable
· 2. No person that actually knows something about energy will tell you that we need to cover all of our storage needs with lithium-ion batteries. Batteries work well on a small scale (like phones, laptops, housing appliances, cars or maybe even as backups for homes). Despite of that, they are really innefficient and expensive on a larger scale. There are other methods (like gravity-based water pumping, electrolizers or air compresion, just to name a few) that are much better suited for the task of storing large amounts of energy, and those are the ones that would be used as energy storage and taken into account in a clean electrical grid.
· 3. "But wind and solar are so unstable and that makes them unviable". Wind and solar, are not the only CO2-free tools that we have. In addition to the energy storage already mentioned, nuclear and hydroelectric energy (and with less importance, geothermal energy) provide a stable stream of electicity at a competitive cost while generating practically no CO2 emissions. Studies such as N. Sepulveda J. D. Jenkins et al. (2018), "The Role of Firm Low-Carbon Electricity Resources in Deep Decarbonization of Power Generation" have concluded that combining renewables such as solar and wind with energy storage (like the ones mentioned in 2) and with these stable sources of power would be confortambly be able to cover 100% of the elecricity demand while producing practically no CO2 and while not raising the costs of electricity. In fact, given the war in Ukraine, how OPEC is jacking up fossil fuel prices and other geopolitical factors that won't fade away soon, we'd be much better of if our main source of electricity weren't fossil fuels. Renewable electricity prices have now been consistently cheaper for many years, but specially now.
And there's many more things that I've seen being wrongly claimed in your videos, but this one was the straw that broke the camel's back, almost nothing contained in it was based on reality, but in a false imaginary world taht we don't live in. If you want to keep making content like this, fine, you can do so, but know that you are simply promoting lies and false information to your audience. It's never too late to accept a mistake like this.
I personally also think that electric cars aren't a good solution for transporting people, but because cars themselves aren't a good option and have never been (that's another thing that the US doesn't get). In my opinion, you are defending the right thing but based on completely wrong premises and information. Electric cars won't solve climate change, they probably won't even help that much at all. But don't defend that with lies; you are just making it easy for those that think they are useful for dealing with climate change (or at least they say so in order to appear 'green' or for personal or monetary gain) to defend their (quite wrong) position.
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That should clear it up
the blantant miss statement that if we covered the entire US in solar panels it would only cover half our energy needs. Was an erroneous report put out by EPRINC then corrected but they never pulled hte paper so people like Milis can run with false information and people never check it.
@@adrianv.v.4445 All this doesn't matter as co2 is not a problem and not likely to be any time soon there's no climate catastrophe comming soon due to global warming, just natural cycles that we should adapt for and have plenty time to so.
Don't worry...The areas the Govt and it's high end employees live in will never be without anything. Shortages are just for you, not them.
Yup. They'll also still be eating high end steaks while we "enjoy" our veggie burgers.
95% of all EVs are still on the road, the other 5% made it home.
@@williamfreeman6935 you will have nothing and we'll be happy?
They can break pandemic rules too 😔
@@williamfreeman6935 The world population has more than tripled in my lifetime. Keep breeding then way we are and a larger part of the population will need to be on veggie burgers.
I've had power outages at my home. Everyone has. The mandate to achieving net zero says my natural gas furnace must be replaced by electricity. I've never had a gas outage.
Sooooo...they want me to use a more unreliable and less available energy to move around and stay warm in winter.
No.
Imagine something getting worse once politicians get involved.....
something=everything
The truth is the anticlimactic deniers are holding the country back at great harm to the US. Luckily we helped fund Tesla or we would be even farther behind. Less than 6% of new cars in the US are EVs but the climate change / science deniers are having a conniption! BTW China is a 36% of new cars and Europe is over 19%. But people like John Stossel think they are some kind of conspiracy. He is too dumb to know he is trying to harm our country.
@@gregkramer5588 Fool. Your govt is taking all of your freedoms from you based on lies which you obviously believe. Tell me, why hasn't the ocean levels buried the coastlines all over the globe? Why do they manipulate climate data to obtain an outcome? Why are carbon levels barely above where they were hundreds or thousands of years ago when testing ancient artifacts? Truth is you're being manipulated and it's YOU who is causing the destruction of the world as we know it. Do some research of the strip mining needed if everyone were to drive electric vehicles. Of vourse feel free to respond but do not expect me to reply, people like you are lost causes and won't realize they've been duped until it's too late. Oh yeah, govt screws up everything they touch. If they didn't then why do they have to make back room deals and pass laws under the dark of night? It's because they can't pass them on merit because they are based on bologna. Good day.
As a retired power utility CEO and electric power engineer in the power sector for 36 years, i can say the following. During the Obama administration there began an all out effort to ignore the input of power company CEOs and engineers (even non-profit utilities like the ones I worked for). It came down to this, these politicians thought they knew best and always assumed we in the industry had some political angle or agenda. However, i would tell them that electrons are neither blue nor red but they power the same grid for all people. Eliminating fossil fuels (coal and NG) and limiting nuclear will have devastating consequences starting in 10-15 years (quote from 2008), we are about to begin a lot of hardships not seen since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Even if the oceans rise many people will end up freezing to death or overheating due to lack of affordable electric power, not to say anything about having a decent job and able to buy products at an affordable price. No coal plants can be built in America and nuclear takes 10 years to build. With pressure now to not build nat-gas plants, there is no base-load power generation left. When we hit rock bottom it will take years to turn it around. As the coal and nuclear plants continue to retire this problem will grow worse and there is not enough affordable nat-gas to replace them all. I pray for America as I believe we will have to go through a painful learning curve that will last years. By the way electrons are color neutral, which is what the politicians should be and let the experts power and run the grid. Strange no one is saying anything about riding in a car that emits constant electro-magnetic fields. Most of the time intermittent absorption is not a problem, but driving such a vehicle for many years no one really knows. We never had a clamoring for people wanting to live next to our high-voltage transmission lines. John thank you for covering this topic, maybe it will help sound the alarm to many who lost their hearing years ago.
Thank you for your rational, clear informed response.
Two term limits.
First term office
Second term life imprisonment
I agree with you 100%,these know all government policy wonks,almost all of them Democrats, need to sit down and shut up,and let the people who know what they are doing,actually producing electric power, run things,most of these policy wonks have never had a real job producing anything,and are least qualified to speak on anything.
@@hubertwalters4300 Thank you Hubert :)
I agree. ignoring experts, our "leaders" have unnecessarily put us through pain over and over.
"Fossil fuels (coal, oil and NG)" are making up all kinds of lies, bad policies, and even outright threats to avoid fighting pollution and to maintain their huge profits. I'm from Texas and have personally seen the damage to our atmosphere, water, soil, agriculture, and infrastructure that the petroleum industry does
The “inconvenient truth” that our politicians and media don’t want us to hear. Thank you for this informative report.
Yes!
This is condescending elementary view of subject.
ECONOMICS will rule and that's proven to be BEVs, simply a matter of pennies per mile. Doesn't matter if you disagree the market place will tell the truth. Relax, let it play out.
@@Mrbfgray The point of this issue is that our politicians aren't letting the market place set the standard. In California, where I unfortunately live under the dictatorship of a Democrat supermajority with Far Left ideologies, only electric vehicles will be available by 2035 while the power grid infrastructure can't handle the few EVs we have on the road now.
@@mmurph2686 Yeah like when the scourge of air conditioning was released on the USA, massive increase in grid demand over a decade. I imagine we can continue to survive change for the better.
@@mmurph2686 The political climate is abysmal here in Commifornia. The 3035 mandate is a joke, the transition will happen before then anyway but tyrant Newsom will claim credit for what he had nothing good to do with. No one will want a new ICE in a few yrs.
The grid will adapt just as it did when air conditioning was adopted over a ten yr period requiring 30% more electric. I intend to power everything off my own roof as will many.
Inconvenient Fact #1: Electric cars are not pollution/emission free. They draw their energy from the grid which predominantly fossil fuel.
Stossel is an under-appreciated legend.
Definitely!👍🏿
As a kid I couldn't wait to see his segment on 20/20 w Braba Wawa.
Did you say Leg End?
Here here
A national treasure
Stossel takes me back to the old days as a kid watching him on msm in the 90s I remember as a kid knowing I liked how he stood out thanks reason tv God bless ✌️🇺🇸
80's too, but not as boldly as he is now- he was more reserved then.
@@jackson5116 He was restricted by the network then.
It's funny, I wasn't truly aware of media bias until the late 90s, and even then I thought Katie Couric was a good journalist, but I always knew Stossel was different. When I watch him I knew I was about to see some truth bombs.
PG&E cut power in my town for several days, once. Gas powered cars and generators were how we got through it. Several of us lent and donated generators to people who couldn't afford them. We wouldn't have been able to do that with solar arrays and battery banks. We gave each other rides in cars we were filling with gas cans, rather than sitting around, waiting for EV batteries to charge.
Electric isn't there yet and I have no intention of moving backwards, while waiting for it to catch up.
Windmills and solar panels are only good for smaller populations. Very small populations. Why do you think the great die off has been enacted.
sounds familiar! We had a whole city near me without power for two weeks. Generator installs blew up after that fiasco (my husband’s an electrician). People were struggling after the first week, thankfully communities helped each other out. But there is no excuse for leaving people without power for that long in a state like CA.
I live in SWFL, when Hurricane Ian hit the electric went out all over. No pumps. No traffic lights. It was total chaos. It was great for me cause I ride an ebike and didn't have to wait at the intersections for minutes like usual
Yeah they don't tell you that for the safety of linemen working on your wires during a blackout, your grid-tied solar panels are shut off unless you have a battery back up for the whole house.
"We wouldn't have been able to do that with solar arrays and battery banks."
Huh? If you had solar power, you could not only run your household electric, you could charge your eV as well. During the "snowpocalypse" in Texas a couple of years back, when power went out for days, we had no problem running our household electric and charging our Tesla. I can't figure out why you think someone who uses solar power would give a damn if "PG&E" (or any other power company) cut power since we rarely or never use grid power? For people who have solar, the local "grid" is nothing more than a place to sell excess capacity and maybe use as a backup. And I'm not sure what any of this has to do with generators? You can have a generator with or without an eV. I've got two Teslas and two gas generators.
California is switching to EV in several years. It’s law. It’s unfair because EVs are so expensive, not only the initial purchase, but to replace the battery which is $7000 - $20,000. How are middle and low income families supposed to afford that? So CA has made owning cars a class privilege where only the rich can have. So the rest of us can’t drive to work, pick up our kids from school, etc.? Someone with clout, please bring attention to this in CA. It’s an unfair law!
EVs plummet in value faster than ICE just buy a 3 year old vehicle for 70% discount
And then replace it's batteries for $30,000.
These sorts of mandate will be revised as the time frame draws closer. Political posturing even if it comes from a good place such as a desire to improve and move humanity forward it is still just political. In the end even politicians will have not choice but to work within the confines of whats realistic at the time. Trust me, Cali will not follow thru with EV mandate in 2035 or whatever the deadline was that was promoted.
My mate stopped by my house and stayed for a day when he was on his way to visit his mother for Christmas. Took him forever to get to my house because of his electric car's limited range and recharge time. Good to see him though.
He asked if I minded if he used some electricity. Thinking he wanted to charge his phone I agreed, but then he plugged a cable into one of my electricity sockets and started charging his car.12 hours later the car was fully charged. Turns out it used twice as much power as my normal daily family consumption. Was a bit miffed by his failure to at least offer me a token payment in return before he went on his merry way. No wonder he always says it's a cheap car to run.
@@ilovepinktacos I'm not in NJ, I'm not even in the same country (or for that matter, hemisphere), so don't tell me what's true or not in my life please mate
Sorry then, mostly people who watch as Stossel are in the North America. But then again, poor infrastructure is not good for EV cars, hence I purchased a Tesla and they infrastructure is the best so far. I get at least 200 miles per 80% charge. I think you buddy had a Nissan leaf that gives only 30 to 40 miles per charge. They would need to think about trip planning if they were to make a road trip in a EV vehicle. Have a great day.
@@ilovepinktacos No problem, thanks for your kind and considered response, you have a good day too. I'm in Australia, my friend was driving from Canberra to Melbourne, my house is about 50 miles from Melb. I don't know what car he has. I'm also not sure what my daily cost of electricity is, but my wife has an app that showed the big spike
@@ilovepinktacos 200 miles on 80% charge ?
How many days would it take you to travel 500 miles ?
@@ilovepinktacos yeah but teslas are the luxury cars of electric cars, not everyone can afford them
As an engineer, the basic calculations for all of the requirements for conversion of any significant amount of the energy system to electricity are staggering. As your guest has stated even the best case back of the envelope estimates are huge. Unfortunately, low resolution thinking allows people to ignore the massive scale required to make this happen. Magical thinking also allows for them to believe we can violate the laws of physics by just waiting a little longer for the next breakthrough. They do not understand the physics behind a battery, and the limits of using ion transfer to make a rechargeable battery. Politicians, and the Green Zealots are looking for the Harry Potter Magic Wand to be able to wave it and say some lame half word to make it all work. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way, Physics, Math, Chemistry, Economics and Engineering have to work in the real world and not a make believe one accessed by train through an arch.
I would love to see some math to back up your statement. Similar to this video, no references and no math don't cut it with me.
Absolutely
Politicians, because so many are scum of the earth lawyers, think because they write laws, they can write laws to repeal the laws of physics.
@@Dedread 1st, you’re not smart enough to understand the math.
2nd, the videos that support what you believe don’t show any math either, it’s just your confirmation bias pretending that they have some kind of objectivity.
3rd, if you actually cared for the environment, you‘d do the research yourself instead of whining that nobody is good enough to educate you.
Yes, you are right !.
I still have appreciation for whoever invented the steam engine. Brilliant
Englishman, Thomas Savery!
@@ThomasLee123 longer ago than that, i believe it was arcemedes. the steam jet turbine, just a prototype to prove theory but still a stem engine.
But not enough appreciation to know his name?😏
@@jswhosoever4533 do you know the inventors name on every product you like??
@@maddhatter3564 sure don't...but I don't leave comments about them either...the irony was funny to me. It wasn't serious as shown by the emoji I left with my comment.😜
I bet if you posted this on Facebook, they’d label it as “misinformation”. That’s what happened to me when I posted a very well written article from The Guardian (pretty liberal news outlet) on improvements EVs need and their downside. It was, in fact, written by an EV supporter and owner.
The truckers testified that if they’re forced to use electric trucks, the time it would take to recharge to go even a couple hundred miles would make the food and supplies they are carrying much much more expensive. Never mind the size and weight of the ev batteries added to their heavy load using more power and wrecking roads and endangering bridge weight limits.
Don't worry, the electric trucks won't have "Truckers" to testify...
Not with Tesla's technology. It's possible to do with good enough technology, which requires great engineers, such as those specifically working at Tesla. The competition is a downgrade, but Teslas are a viable option.
This two-part series needs to be shown in every classroom and every tv in the world. Please help share it to the masses.
Exactly!
But unfortunately depending on the teacher it won't happen
Classrooms are government propaganda centers. They won’t be told this.
Unfortunately, the programming have been to effective and this country is too deep into the stupid category to listen to alternate information. Did you see what happened last week? Millions of people voted for high prices, inflation, crime ridden neighborhoods, killing their parents/grandparents, ruining their businesses, sexualizing their children and all of the craziness happening. The western world will have to learn the hard way.
@@MichaelBushey Already have.
It's easier to sell a dystopia then it is to present an improved version of real life.
Utopia* not dystopia
@@redgrengrumbholdt2671 He said it right you read it wrong.
But I don't understand it. Why would it be easier to sell an "
an imagined state or society in which there is great suffering or injustice, typically one that is totalitarian or post-apocalyptic" than a better version of real life?
I’m 68 and can remember as a kid being slave to the coal furnace in our house in souther Illinois. A large part of the basement was dedicated to supporting the behemoth, including a room that functioned as the coal bin. There were doors that opened from the ground where the delivery men would dump a mountain of coal into the bin that my older brothers would have to shovel into the furnace to keep it going. There was also the issue of klinkers, which could cause problems when the spent fuel fused together into a blob. I’m not saying that this generation is too soft to go back to living like that, they can and will if the need arises, but we no longer have an infrastructure in place to support this arrangement efficiently.
Loved with a coal furnace as a kid. My oldest brother and I had the job of hauling out the klinkers to the alley. Where we had to jump up and down on them to crush them up. My youngest brother lives in the house now. Alley is still in good shape. True recycling. Coal to klinkers to roadway.
Loved with a coal furnace as a kid. My oldest brother and I had the job of hauling out the klinkers to the alley. Where we had to jump up and down on them to crush them up. My youngest brother lives in the house now. Alley is still in good shape. True recycling. Coal to klinkers to roadway. Oh, also from southern Illinois. 64 years old.
One of your best videos, John. I especially like Mills' comment: "We've had our energy systems designed by bureaucrats instead of by engineers." Keep up the great work.
And It's crazy that in this age where everyone thinks they're so smart, with smartphones at our fingertips, the same people elect the dumbest people to lead them. Nuts!
I don't think so they thought that Iron Man and the Terminator where powered by batteries when it clear that it is nuclear power both are Reactors, which is all we need because it is most energy dense fuel that we have.
@@southcoastinventors6583 I agree, but keep in mind that Thorium reactors are INHERERENTLY so much more safe than uranium reactors, and therefore can be scaled down to neighborhood or larger sizes, rather than the incredibly expensive region-wide reactors we have ubiquitously. Again, Thanks for your great work, John. (I sailed with your father in Chicago a few times; Shields are great vessels. ...not sailing anymore, btw..)
Even worse, accountants and hedge fund managers.
@@jmanswat2457Politics is all about marketing.
Love these series! You are brave to put yourself out there on the web. Of course, this is what you have always done. Thanks for the service you provide to the world.
Two words one company. Dominion/smartmatic, never again will the people win. We use the machines used in Venezuela to make it a socialist paradise.
You love series with vague, sweeping statements with no mathor references to back up their words?
1:33 I am so glad to hear someone actually say that no amount of engineering will allow batteries, or anything else for that matter, to violate the laws of Physics.
I know... to think people could fly or go faster than a horse is literally.... oh wait, science overcame those problems 😊
yes without a major breakthrough battery tech is close to its peak.
@@mj8495 The difference is that none of those violated any laws of Physics. I've seen arguments just like this dozens of times and it is fallacious.
My simple idea is spin the battery, compensate 4 weight,
@@mj8495Science based on those laws of physics,none of which were violated.Your point was?
John, I hope you can get more people on to talk about the Green Energy Stuff. WE ALL WANT a clean world. But living in fantasy is NOT the way to get it. We need MORE nuclear, and Natural Gas.
Two of the cleanest energies.
I watched a video a month or so ago about a guy that bought a brand-new Ford EV pickup truck. He hooked up a very small camper, and then drove about 80 miles and soon discovered he had to find a place to recharge the batteries. Enough said!!!!
and what did it cost him to re-charge.......lots of complaints about that where I live
Not to mention the time waiting around to charge
@@davesevens7286Or finding a place with either a pull-through charger so you just can power up and go or enough space to disconnect and park your trailer (always fun!) so you can back your truck into a charging space.
I saw that too. He didn't realize the power drain it would have on the battery. Btw, have you seen the 9k lb EV Hummer?
@@chfpontiac5849As a matter of fact, I think he may have mentioned having to unhitch to go charge.
Great job John. I'm an electrician and I've been saying this sort of thing for over ten years. You give me a little hope that some people have good sense.
You would think but the greenies say this is not fact. When you mix politics with engineering you get politics.
They don’t.
The country currently has 2.1 million EVs on the road that consume .2 of a percent of US electricity. Estimates of all cars being EVs shows there only needs to be a 15% to 20% increase in the grid. That's very doable over the next few decades. Electric motors are 3 times more efficient than gas engines and cause a decrease in net energy consumption. And most EV owners charge their cars at night at times of low demand on the grid, and if incentivized by pricing that will continue. It's all about peak demand, you know.
Me too, my friend. Regardless of what Elon says, the EV has no wide spread application in the future of transportation.
@@ThomasLee123 My Model Y has reduced my fueling costs by 75%. Electric motors are 3 times more efficient than gas engines. Plus no oil changes, no transmission fluid changes, no spark plug changes, brakes last 150,000 miles because most braking in is done by regen, no friction brakes, etc., etc. No wide spread application for EVs? I see no widespread application for gas cars in the future.
The really sad thing is when we change from primarily using fossil fuels to primarily using renewables is that it does nothing to stop tornadoes, hurricanes, and floods. They will still occur in various degrees of severity as they always have.
Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
Yup. Only brainwashed, low intelligent, uneducated idiots think that c02 controls weather patterns and makes them more intense. Yet, they have no factual evidence/proof to support their claims. Just another case of the hysterical blind leading the blind.
And when one of them rips through a solar or wind farm etc, the results will be intense.
Bad weather is no sadder than it's always been. What is really sad is that all the chaos and destruction being caused by switching is making things worse.
@@bvegannow1936 Sounds good in theory, but reality is it would be very inefficient. Also, many plants can't be grown all year, if at all depending on one's location. 180 million households would require 180 million acres or 281,250 square miles (an area larger than Texas). That doesn't include roads and other overhead that would likely double that. Not realistic for everyone to own an acre of land. If anything, the future is denser living, larger scale agriculture, and synthetic foods (ie. lab made meat).
I don't remember whether it was mentioned in Part 1, and Part 2 almost got here, but my question is, "What is the environment impact of the disposal of the batteries when they need to be replaced, or when the car reaches its end of life?"
Tesla already has plants to recycle ~90% of the material from their used batteries
@@chasemsutton Unless Tesla can change material sciences to something the rest of the world doesn't know about only about 50% of a battery can be recycled. Yet another inconvenient fact about this subject...
Batteries used in Tesla vehicles have 20 year lifetimes (in the vehicle) and can be reused in the power storage for another 20 years before being recycled. Batteries are almost 100% recyclable. Other BEV makers will probably go straight to the recycler.
@@richb2229 The only one claiming that the tesla batteries are 100% recyclable is Tesla! You're hearing from a marketing department. There is NOTHING manufactured on earth that is 100% recyclable, absolutely nothing! There are ALWAYS waste products. Stop listening to the marketing man. I'm all for innovation and moving forward, but believing the hype doesn't do us any good.
@@davecross5317 did TH-cam block my last comment? I think I put a source link in there maybe that’s why they blocked it. Anyway Tesla currently can recycle 92% of raw materials from their batteries based on all available sources. Not sure where your 50% claim comes from but maybe look into that more, or comment your source and I can look into it and maybe have my mind changed!
Growing up in the foothills of Appalachia, my grandmother burned coal in a potbelly stove on which we use to melt crayons.
Keep 'em coming, John. Shares these with my kids so they learn what real journalism looks like.
Are you Scotch-Irish?
Like Andrew Jackson or John McCain?
Two words one company. Dominion/smartmatic, never again will the people win. We use the machines used in Venezuela to make it a socialist paradise.
Stossel - A voice of reason in a crazy clown world.
Really? You must be a shill.
No more showers or flushing our toilets! What a wonderful world!😅😅😅
It’s not about the environment it’s about who is controlling who. If they can stop you from controlling when you can or cannot leave and if you can stay warm they own you, and that is the goal.
Oil and gas can be controlled too.
@@hoboonwheels9289: Yes it can, like right now in the USA where the government has sabotaged oil production. Which is an attack on the US citizens since energy costs have increased across the nation. All while billions of dollars are laundered in the name of "renewable energy".
Cheap energy helps bring prosperity.
I think it's just cascading stupidity and greed. But yeah, it all leads to authoritarian rule and deprivation for the average person.
That's funny because when Tesla came on scene nobody was on board with them. Not even the government. Now legacy auto manufacturers see the demand for them and all the sudden now it's a government agenda, derp
Oil is a single-source energy medium with a fragile, delicate global supply chain. Maybe if we drove cars that didn't burn the stuff, we'd save lots for other things...
One thing you did not mention is right to repair. Companies are using the switch to electric as a way of taking back control. Requiring consumers to go through them for any type of repair.
Yup. That's true
Absolutely false. I've had my EV 8 years now, had significant damage in an accident, the manufacturer never saw the vehicle. Please do some research before you spread information that you cannot prove.
@@justsomeguy934 prolly varies per company
@@Dan16673 All I can tell you is that I had electric motors replaced, suspension parts replaced and the manufacturer never touched the vehicle. The right-to-repair scare is just that, a scare created by the oil industry.
@@justsomeguy934 what make is your car? because tesla will void the warranty
They know what they are doing. We are the carbon they want to reduce in the end.
Precisely
@@ReconditeDeity 2A says: Try it, prick. Watch what happens.
I pay taxes at the pump to support the freeloaders with EV’s - this is not right!
this is one of those perfect examples of politicians and some people just pushing and pushing their only point of view and not understanding its entirety.
They unverstand very well. They plan on owning it themselves and gouging forever.
They no exactly what the plan is and it's not to replace it's to remove entirely for the average man
AL Gore🤡
Politicians survive on catchphrases and willful public ignorance
pollyticians undersdtand nothing about nothing - except what is required to garner votes - end of!
The other physics problem that people don't talk about is that whatever energy you store has the potential to come out VERY quickly if the battery fails. So even if they did build some sort of Ironman/Terminator super battery, you'd be making a superbomb. If you think battery fires are bad right now, imagine if they had 10X the energy density.
Imagine a gasoline tank breaking….
@@waywardgeologist2520 Thing is, we know how to keep gasoline from igniting.
Preventing a gasoline fire is a lot easier than preventing spontaneous auto-ignition of a lithium battery.
@@dafunkmonster There are billions of batteries not auto-igniting. Problem is more the Runaway decomposition and burning that is difficult to stop
@@pablopicaro7649 There are hundreds more batteries auto-igniting than gasoline cans auto igniting.
I imagine a battery farm fire that turns into a natural disaster when fire fighters can't put it out. Imagine how dangerous all that energy would be coming out all at once.
Until I can have a truck that will tow a boat 300+ miles on one charge and recharge in 5 minutes I won’t even consider it.
True. At least a hybrid would make more sense than electric for many, but ya. They want peasants to quit driving and just be cold in winter and hot in summer, while they fly on private jets all over the world for vacations alot and go in their mansions which probably use way more energy than average americans...
If gov really care about env, Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies. And maybe gov should start with gov cutting back since gov is the or one of the top polluters and energy/oil/gas/and electricity users. Especially regarding wars and military.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly.
You may consider it earlier if it ends up costing you $400 to fill up your tank. The free market will decide, and the future is indeed electric, regardless of what any politician wants.
@@jimmaag4274 IF it were left up to the free market (which it's not) the future would most certainly not be electric.
That would be an amazing amount of power to transfer to a battery in 5 min.
@@jimmaag4274 the free market? You obviously don’t have any idea what that term means considering there hasn’t been anything remotely resembling a “free market” regarding electric cars. Government subsidies allowed Tesla to exist at all, rebates allow for the somewhat decent sales numbers and the social/political pressure campaigns have all but shamed any who point out that this isn’t the best solution.
My electric car goes down about 10 from 100 miles every year the license tab is over $300 vs $40 on gas cars then replacing a new battery the dealership said is $10000 to $12000 OMG I am now retired what to do!!
John Stossel your good at your job. I always enjoyed your reporting.
Yeah, if you like BS
John uses simple commonsense to deliver the truth!
As an electrical engineer who works in a power plant specializing in battery back up systems, I have been saying this for years.
I did undergrad research on solar panels at a national laboratory and the results for newer processes were not very promising. Note that this was 5 years ago so things may have changed in development but I haven't seen any at IEEE summits.
Maybe you could answer this question then I am, really asking. Question guys. I google how big an area solar panels needed to power the usa Google say small part of ONE state You say Entire usa only half the power needed. Which is correct.I am asking how to even calculate it. They say MW then KW and I not sure how to even go about calculating the answer. Hard to tell anyone that when google says i am wrong,
@@dc9mm2 Solar Panels are Toxic . . . "The land on which they were placed is no longer suitable for agriculture. Or for people to live on.”
“Toxins from the solar panels, and the associated mechanical and electric equipment will have leached into the soil for 25 years. Thus, when more farmland is needed to grow food, the massive areas covered by solar panels are not a candidate.”
And solar farms, like wind farms, do eat up the land. They need 450 times more ground than nuclear plants, and about 100 times as much as generating stations fueled by natural gas.
NOTE: Neither Wind or Solar . . . Save the amount of Emissions & CO2 that was used to Create them . . . the more you build the LARGER the Deficit!
Why are half the comments here censored?
Is Google censoring, or Stossel? It's annoying! 😡
According to Elon Musk (who is usually right about engineering issues), the entire USA could be powered by a 100km x 100km square of Solar panels located in a sunny part of the USA. Google that topic for an analysis of the math.
@@paulrybarczyk5013 That's about 62 Miles x 62 Miles . . . . the heavy metals & Toxins would leach out of the panels and make the area unusable for human occupation after a decade.
The reason politicians love electric cars so much is that their energy source is centralized. If all cars are electric, they can control car usage by controlling the power plants. Gasoline availability on the other hand is distributed.
How do I make non centralized gasoline for my car?
Power plants are already centralized. The future direction is more distributed generation via solar on the roofs of houses. For most people, a full solar roof can provide most of the energy needs of both their home and vehicles.
@@paulrybarczyk5013 Uh, did you watch the video? "I'll come in to work tomorrow...unless it's cloudy."
@@ep4169 you could still drive into work, Because the house would still be connected to the grid. It would just need way less power from it, and probably none in the summertime.
@@ep4169 Newer cars can go 300-500 miles on a charge. So a cloudy day won't stop me going 80 miles to work, and I can work at home. It also won't stop my two son's 2 mile drive to the university or my other son's 6 mile drive to his job. But the price of the electric vehicles is out of sight. I typically buy used, but a battery with 8 year warranty isn't dependable.
The range is always 30-50% less than claimed (weather dependent) i recently saw a story on a guy returning his new ev because it couldn't make the round trip on his daily commute and the manufacturers lies were misrepresentation.
i plow snow in the winter. This truck runs for 48 - 60 hours at a time sometimes. with a plow and salter drawing power there is absolutely no way an electric truck could do what this ICE truck does
No matter how many times you try to explain that to people like Greta, they'll refuse to believe it. Electric cars can be very beneficial in certain applications & really help out but only an idiot thinks everything can run off wind & solar right now. Small cheap electric commuter cars charged from rooftop solar panels (& backup wall charger) is a great idea for saving gas money commuting to work. But not for an electric snow plow that needs to run 48 hours or trying to tow something cross country in an electric truck with no tow range.
@@michaelbrinks8089
just producing the battery costs more pollution than making an entire ICE vehicle including running it for 4 yrs
Yikes! Global warming means no snow! What?!
@@douglasolsen6861
it's Global Warning!
Oh well mabey we'll have to keep some diesel powered vehicles for a while, der, that's pretty rare, but most trucks have to stop regularly, and most cars don't travel more than 100km per day. So we shouldn't try to get rid of all the polluting vehicles cos some trucks have to run for a long time???
Being able to shut down the power grid or limit to 15-minute cities where you can control the travel of people could be another huge political power trip... Is that why politicians have such a focus on Electric Vehicles?
Future EV's will do 1000 Km on a single charge. You will never need to charge during the day or even look for a charger. Charging will happen slowly at night when everyone is fast asleep and all those cookers, kettles and TV's are switched off. Finally we can make use of all that electrical generating capacity that is under utilized through the day.
@@marviwilson1853No they won't.
Oh yes they will!@@ronsmith4325
Gas and oil is absolutely the same problem in terms of ownership and control, do You understand it? Do You own a single oil well? no. And You'll never will. And where so You take money? from who? Noting changes. There is no global material progress. Material progress itself is like fetter itself
Learn from history.@@ronsmith4325
They have electric buses in my city. The transport company is has to replace batteries every ~3 years or 1000 charges.
A battery for a bus. Imagine how huge THAT is.
And where did those old batteries end up?
@@dreamweaver1603 Who knows, maybe Africa?
Wow
I admire Stossel. I have a Tesla model Y. I love my electric vehicle. Had it for four years. Many road trips. FSD is so much better now than four years ago. Almost perfect.
I’m no engineer but I have been saying this for years to all my green friends (and the ball and chain) that it will take everything to make things work. One system isn’t enough and I live in SoCal! Thank you for saying it and thank you for having someone who knows better than I to say it too!
I can't honestly believe that Cali is really going to stop selling gas cars, there's like no way that'll happen without people going to other states to buy them.
go watch TONY SIBA - Clean Disruption of ENERGY.
erpi - I'm so sad you live in SoCal. Why are you still there?
We moved out of California long ago.
@@skippylippy547 Oh, if I had the money I would move to Hawaii in a heartbeat. But being a working poor I have to hang on to my job in SoCal. Love my electric cars though. They have been working great for me.
@@jackson5116 You're not even allowed to go to other states. To register the car in California, it has to be emissions compliant, which means no gas cars.
Also, it's not just cars, the state also planning to ban ICE commercial vehicles and small ICE power equipment.
Someone once said being a liberal was a like standing on your head and yelling at everyone else for being upside down.
Couldn’t have said it better
Bravo !
Government controlling private business to thia degree is what fascism is. In fact its the only thing different between fascism and socialism.
The donkeys have shown all of us, that they don’t have to hee haw or neigh all over the field to be in control of the barn and stable. As long as they know that the rats counting the sheep vote is on their side.
Food transport emissions r nearly half of direct emissions from road vehicles reportedly. Gov should Let everyone use an acre to grow their own food/live on. Ban farm subsidies.
Donkeys🤔 your too nice. DUMocrats. The left Ruined America . spread the truth.
@@bvegannow1936 yes. Let’s take advice from some one who spells “are” as r. You’re so intelligent…. 🙄
I hope this series gets released as a documentary once it's done.
Thank God for Stossel he's one of the few reporters that is actually a reporter reporting the truth
The stupidity is: the pre-assumption about global warming is wrong. Today, 10 of 10 people believe CO2 is the cause of global warming. That's not true. At very least, no one have proven that's true. It is at best an unscientific assumption. But the propaganda makes it like default fact.
@@seanleith5312 it is incredible how the masses are so easily manipulated
Funny you reverence manipulation when you applaud a BS video that describes energy requirement in dolllars which is text book peasantry manipulation. You're the fool here
@@MrWWKirby years and years with the fóssil industries, plastics and poisining agriculture
It's just too bad that FOX is using him as the "Juan Williams" replacement to cheer on Communist Democrats.
Our auto repair mechanics refuse to own or repair any electric car.
Thank you for your continued reporting.
Some genuine feedback. I loved this video, as it opens the question to hard decision making when we discuss green policies. We tend to ignore nuclear as a viable alternative to increasing the grids capability to safely supply electricity to vehicles. We also fail to see the waste generated from lithium mines etc. There are no easy answers and that is why politics need to stay out of science
Or the fact that "renewable energy" has been the most subsidized form of energy production by far, yet it only constitutes a tiny fraction of the energy consumed in the country.
This. As long as we are unnecessarily terrified of nuclear energy then we're stuck with fossil fuels as our best option. The only reason we don't have more nuclear energy is simply fear.
@@herrschaftg35 The International Renewable Energy Agency tracked some $634 billion in energy-sector subsidies in 2020, and found that around 70% were fossil fuel subsidies. About 20% went to renewable power generation, 6% to biofuels and just over 3% to nuclear.
I agree with nearly everything you said, but need to clarify the grid part. Whatever form of energy generated to meet the upcoming demands will overload the existing grid infrastructure. And we are already taxing it as updating the grid is expensive, inconvenient and just not popular (see Texas).
@@herrschaftg35 except it isn’t. Have you seen how much money Exxon receives in subsidies. That one company alone receives more than wind, solar and wave
Finally someone talking sense about this carbon and energy stupidity. Good work and now I'm a subscriber.
In my opinion electric cars are really only economical and convenient IF you have paid for solar on your house which are mandatory on new builds in Ca (dumb but true). They don’t make real sense for anyone else. That being said, our family has two electric cars, we charge at optimum hours so we don’t see increase at all. The less money that goes to corrupt PGE the better. We also have huge gas powered SUVs that we will never give up and spend $350 a week in gas. It’s a product, pick what makes sense. The current scare tactics with EVs blowing up is ridiculous. Gas cars have a flammable tank of gas in it…. Come on man - as Brandon would say.
When are you going to get joe Biden out of office we can stand another year of him or the democrats these kids need to wake up and stop listening to the Bidens and democrats.
I'm just happy someone like John isn't afraid of getting cancelled for giving a different perspective on this so called "green energy"
He can give another perspective but this video is full of things that are simply factually incorrect by a wide margin.
@@dmacmnah I don't think so.
@@dmacm Please specify the incorrect things and provide the 'facts' with sources
@@Argedis I will cite my comment here in order for you to skim thourhg it and look at some of the lies told in the video:
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· 1. The solar panel claim is completely false. The most the US grid has demanded in an hour is 720 gigawatthours. Even in winter, which is obviously the season with the least sun, an average square meter of US land will get around 3kWh energy/day from the sun (on summer, it's more like 8 and the numbers are obviously higher for sunnier states like Arizona). 3kW/h per day is 125 Wh. Now, accounting for the fact that solar panels harvest around 15% of the solar energy they receive and even accounting for the fact that some space would have to be left for other infraestructure to support solar (let's be quite pessimistic and say only 75% percent of solar infraestructure area is solar panels), the total area required would be:
720,000,000,000 Wh / (125 Wh/m^2 * 0.15 * 0.75) = 51,200,000,000 m^2 = 51,200 Km^2. And the US is 9,834,000 Km^2 big. In fact, Texas alone for example is 695,662 Km^2 big.
So, even if we put ourselves at the worst-case scenario (record demand in december with innefficiently placed and badly located solar panels), all the solar panels required to cover the demand would fit in 0.5% on the US or like less than a twelfth of Texas. I've just checked and my result agrees with studies such as a 2013 study by the National Renewable Energy Labs (NREL), which estimated (with 2013 efficiency numbers) that the area required is around 55,037 Km^2.
Not that you would want to do that, it would be stupid to only use a single energy resource and call it a day, but it demonstrates how big of a lie the statement was. Solar is more than efficient enough to be viable
· 2. No person that actually knows something about energy will tell you that we need to cover all of our storage needs with lithium-ion batteries. Batteries work well on a small scale (like phones, laptops, housing appliances, cars or maybe even as backups for homes). Despite of that, they are really innefficient and expensive on a larger scale. There are other methods (like gravity-based water pumping, electrolizers or air compresion, just to name a few) that are much better suited for the task of storing large amounts of energy, and those are the ones that would be used as energy storage and taken into account in a clean electrical grid.
· 3. "But wind and solar are so unstable and that makes them unviable". Wind and solar, are not the only CO2-free tools that we have. In addition to the energy storage already mentioned, nuclear and hydroelectric energy (and with less importance, geothermal energy) provide a stable stream of electicity at a competitive cost while generating practically no CO2 emissions. Studies such as N. Sepulveda J. D. Jenkins et al. (2018), "The Role of Firm Low-Carbon Electricity Resources in Deep Decarbonization of Power Generation" have concluded that combining renewables such as solar and wind with energy storage (like the ones mentioned in 2) and with these stable sources of power would be confortambly be able to cover 100% of the elecricity demand while producing practically no CO2 and while not raising the costs of electricity. In fact, given the war in Ukraine, how OPEC is jacking up fossil fuel prices and other geopolitical factors that won't fade away soon, we'd be much better of if our main source of electricity weren't fossil fuels. Renewable electricity prices have now been consistently cheaper for many years, but specially now.
And there's many more things that I've seen being wrongly claimed in your videos, but this one was the straw that broke the camel's back, almost nothing contained in it was based on reality, but in a false imaginary world taht we don't live in. If you want to keep making content like this, fine, you can do so, but know that you are simply promoting lies and false information to your audience. It's never too late to accept a mistake like this.
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I personally also think that electric cars aren't a good solution for transporting people, but because cars themselves aren't a good option and have never been (that's another thing that the US doesn't get). In my opinion, he's defending the right thing but based on completely wrong premises and information. Electric cars won't solve climate change, they probably won't even help that much at all. But we shouldn't defend that with lies; he is just making it easy for those that think they are useful for dealing with climate change (or at least they say so in order to appear 'green' or for personal or monetary gain) to defend their (quite wrong) position.
That should cover it.
@@adrianv.v.4445 Everything you said is theoretical, here are the real world numbers.
Per the EPA the daily energy use of all American Households 3.58 billion kWh - that's not including commercial or industrial.
Consumer grade 200W Solar Panels are 2ft x 5ft and around $250 ea.
In the real world they only produce around 150W.
You would need 10 of them = 20 ft x 5 ft to get 1500W which is barely enough to get "Level 1" standard plug charging on an EV which only gives you 1-3 miles per hour, or run a Microwave.
In other words with 100 Sq Ft of solar panels you only get 1.5 kWh assuming full sun.
The US is 3,717,792 Sq miles. If you do the math per my 100sq ft / 1.5kWh you only get 294 million kWh - it's not even close.
But that was calculating it for 1hr lets say 10hrs of full sunlight (not accounting for sunrise/sunset losses) that's 2.94 billion kWh which is closer but still not enough and like I said that's barely accounting for residential only.
John Stossel has way to much common sense for the average mind. I wish more journalists behaved like him. Great video
he's not a journalist, this video was bought and paid for by the Oil Lobbyists of America.
There was a time in day where he wasn't. Like running around in the late 90s trying to break the news that "wrestling is fake" as if it was some world breaking development. Reminded me of if you're in a movie and the bad guy gets shot 20 times and your friend leans over and goes "you know he's just an actor, and not really dead" - The worst.
I work for a power company, when they run through their 20 year plan to go green it's just dumb. It's basically a mystery box of some future battery technology.
This was a great series, and I'm in total agreement. We need several technologies: batteries, oil, nuclear, renewables.
we already have the most environmentally friendly tech - burning clean coal and gas! so called 'renewables' are tens of times more polluting
Thankyou for posting this. I love EVs too, however, I'm grateful for people like yourself, Jordan Peterson and others for bring some sober and balanced thinking into this crazy time
Stossel's video was soaked in oil, friend. It presents no objective data, didn't interview a single EV expert, just an oil-industry advocate. Jordan Petersen is a behavioral scientist, not an engineer.
@@justsomeguy934 It presented lots of objective facts, you just chose to ignore them. Wake up and smell the rising cost of electricity.
@@TehButterflyEffect I ignore nothing, but nice try at an insult. Electricity will always be cheaper than petroleum. Electricity has multiple sources, petroleum only one. Electricity can be generated 100% domestically (wind, hydro, solar) if we want, whereas petroleum has a global, delicate supply chain and artificial pricing. Remember $5 gas? Did overall demand or supply change? Nope. The oil companies charge whatever YOU think they can justify. The highest profit the oil companies have made is during the $5 price increase. During my 20 years at my current residence, electricity has only gone up 15%. The price of gasoline, however, has gone from 1.x to 3x to 1.5x to 2x over the last 10 years.
@@TehButterflyEffect "t presented lots of objective facts, you just chose to ignore them." What you mean is that the video presented what you're used to. Did you notice, or ignore, that the only "expert" on the interview was paid by the oil industry? No EV experts allowed! Did you notice that John Stossel already retracted his solar energy estimates? An EV/renewable energy person would've pointed that out immediately. It's YOU, friend, that's ignoring facts.
@@justsomeguy934 Electricity will not always be cheaper than petroleum. Remember the Trump years when domestic oil and gas production increased a bunch and prices fell?
If you want to talk about high oil costs, let's talk about the real reason.
We could supply 100% of our own fuel domestically, but we don't because environmental lobbyists think that buying it from overseas is somehow better. Who is really behind that? If we produced 100% domestically, fuel would be so cheap and plentiful that nobody would even think about buying electric cars for economic reasons.
Oh and by the way, even USAToday, which is a left-leaning, pro-EV news source admitted that electric car refueling costs grew higher than gasoline car refilling costs last year.
The ONLY way to have cheap electricity is to go 100% nuclear, but that won't happen because everyone wants to focus on terrible, inefficient "renewable" electricity generation.
I've been studying this topic for nearly 20 years. The only thing that's changed is even more push for more expensive electric generation sources.
Have a good friend that is a engineer at a 'name brand' battery manufacturer . He stopped telling people where he worked because (to paraphrase )"He was tired of being lectured to by people with no electrical engineering background" when he stated the reality of battery manufacturing's future !
Even without electrical engineering knowledge, most people know that we don't have the infrastructure to support the added strain on an already taxed electrical grid.
14 million EVs to be made in 2023.
In the wintertime, I will use 5% more electricity by having an EV. Wow.
@@MbeyaIsHome5% x millions upon millions of people is not the insignificant amount of electricity you are hinting at.
@@MbeyaIsHomeExcept you won’t be driving in winter when temps are sub-freezing and when you are able to venture out in near-freezing temps, your batteries will only operate at 50% capacity (or less) so you’ll be spending twice as much (or more) than you think you will. Meanwhile, my IC will continue to function just fine as I drive past your stranded EV stuck in your driveway with a dead battery…. 😂
@@donmunro144, "most people" have for decades been propagandized by the fossil fuel industry against EVs, so it is no surprise that many believe a bunch of nonsense. Almost no EVs are charged during peak demand. The need to sculpt ratepayer behavior is why I was doing smart meter R&D in the previous century.
In the UK they are stealing all the EV cables that charge the cars and taking them to scrap yard and selling them for £50 each so when you have forty or more it's a lot of money 💰.....
What would be an easier way to control people than to keep them from moving around. It’s all about control.
How exactly are electric vehicles keeping people from moving around?
This is about the auto market. EVs are just way nicer to drive and maintain. The pollution savings are a bonus on top of that. It is like having a top end luxury car drive train at main stream price points. But of course even smoother, quieter and more responsive.
@@nancypelosi480 I don't have any questions and I did watch the video. It is misleading at best. The problem with the grid, Nancy, has NOTHING to do with EVs. That's like telling people not to shoot their guns because there is a bullet shortage. Besides, the real threat to the grid are CMEs not EVs
@Fishy you're wrong and almost every account. They are not more expensive than other cars in their class. A 2023 Escalade starts at $80,000 and goes up to $105,000. Compare that to a Model X. I can go on with every model. They are as comparable to cars in their class, and year over year they will become less expensive as the cost of scale gets cheaper. This is simple math.
Regarding mileage, the average is about 300 miles per charge right now, which is about the average mile per tank of gas. 95% of the people on this planet don't drive more then 50 miles a day. With the exception of Long haul trucking, which is another topic entirely, nobody's traveling 300 miles a day so it's an utterly moot point. In the event you do need to travel more than 300 miles a day like if you want to drive from Northern California to Southern California you stop one time for a half hour and charge. Big deal it's not some conspiracy theory.
You are correct demand outstrip supply right now but with giga Texas, giga Berlin, giga Shanghai, and two other rumored plants to start operating, it'll be a couple short years before Tesla is turning out more vehicles than GM and Ford combined.
Your words tell me you're one of these cookie conspiracy theorists who probably also believes in chemtrails. You believe in chemtrails don't you
@Fishy additionally your claim that there is not enough lithium on the planet is provably false. Lithium is one of the most abundant elements on the planet. Look it up for once look it up. Nevertheless battery technology is temporary. The EV will not be running on electric batteries 20 years in the future. Just in my time with hobby grade electric vehicles I've seen it go from alkaline to nickel cadmium to nickel metal hydride to lithium ion and lithium polymer. I am 100% certain changes will also be made in the current battery technology it's just what progress does.
You can argue and debate at all you want I really don't care the change is coming whether you want it or not the paradigm shift has already begun
Excellent video. I just read Rivian Motors loses tens of thousands of dollars on every vehicle they sell, yet they will not go broke as the governments, all of them, will prop them up on YOUR dime (an old euphemism)
Do you have any idea how much debt GM Ford and all the OEM has .. they need to die .. and yes no government bail outs .. startups like rivian burn cash at their beginning let them breath .. no government bail out though
The electric truck designers didn't seem to be using much common sense. They have little tow range, it'd make much more sense to build diesel/electric hybrid truck. So when you need to tow something across the state, you can run the generator to keep the batteries charged while driving. Instead of towing for like 80 miles then having to stop for 8 hrs to recharge.
Thank you Stossel for making me laugh about what a clown show the world is with small pinches of humor. Stossel top journalists of all time.
During Hurricane Sandy in 2012, we had No electric for 20 days. The only thing which saved us from Freezing and Starving was our Gas Stove!! If anyone want to take this life savior from my house, he better come in the tank!
Yeah, I remember that storm and because we had no electricity we did and we still do have a portable gasoline generator but now we actually have a propane generator on standby in case the power does go out. We were able to keep some of the lights on thanks to the power of gasoline.
THEY SHOULD GIVE ALL POLITICIANS ELECTRIC CARS AND MAKE SURE THE DRIVERS SEAT HAS PLENTY OF HIGH VOLTAGE
Make private planes to Davos electric! See how they like it.
Oh man, I've been arguing this exact same set of realities for YEARS now. Local towns like mine are having fever dreams about electric charging in every home, until I point out, we'd have to dig up and replace EVERY SINGLE POWER LINE to at least double capacity, with zero guarantee our electric grid can even generate that much power so quickly. And I'm berated for being "out in the weeds."
That makes no sense. People
are charging EVs at home now without doubling their power consumption. It costs less than $50 extra a month (far less in most cases) to charge an EV. And even if that is somehow “doubling” electrical use it’s mostly done at night off-peak. Nobody has to upgrade their power input to charge an EV or even three of them at once.
@@ConservatEV per evannex website "youl'll need to use about 50kWh of energy to fully charge a standard range model 3 battery". So if you charge your car every day that is 50kWh x 30 days = 1500 kwh per month. Per energyusage website, the average home in my state uses 1353 kWh per month. So the ave household usage is doubled. Try to be honest about this.. lying is not helping you..
@@ConservatEV The fact of the matter is that CERTAIN people are charging their vehicles at home without doubling their power consumption. Many people live in apartments or other places where options of charging through less expensive means at home is not possible.
If you drive a few km/m a day then sure. But the point isn't that someone couldn't own three tesla's and charge them at home. The point is that if EVERYONE has a Tesla and EVERYONE is charging them at night, night becomes a Peak time with that energy draw and if you're not paying double now, you will be later... Especially when they have to upgrade the grid to allow for the massive increase in load.
If they make illegal EV charging from 5pm to 11pm this quarter of day then the Electric Grid can handle EVs, the grid normally operates at 70% capacity of power lines and power plants. England is installing machinery so you won't be able to charge 5-11 the charger just wont turn on...... So EVs could be used if smart the problem is they are expensive to buy so mean to poor people, adn a hassle to charge for the half who don't own a house. And they cut energy and pollution need of cars just 40%, its not a silver bullet, just a helpful step that will be a costly pain to do. There is no green way to move a worker 50 miles total a day, to a distant job across town, its like saying we can have a green bonfire, we can cut pollution a bit from commuting but still are moving 5000pounds fast 2x a day it cant be green. Same with big houses, more than a hut. Same with having 20 electronic devices and internet. We live like Gods in West unlike some poor African, and unless we give it up we'll no matter what probably pollute 50% as much as in 1990 per person. . . . . .
@@mostlyguesses8385 so what happens when everyone has an EV to charge at the time that you specify at night? Instead of say 500 EVs in a given branch of the grid, that it is 10,000 on a given branch.. What then?
I hate it that our government is forcing us to buy the EV's through government mandates.
Here's some of changes the green crowd demanded:
1.) That companies that make drinks in glass bottles stop using glass and package their products in plastic bottles.
The results: When drinks were in glass bottles people would collect and turn them in for a deposit and the glass bottles recycled. After the shift to plastic bottles there were plastic bottles littering roadsides and such. Very few states have a deposit on plastic bottles.
2.) Said flushing a toilet used too much water and demanded the tanks hold less water or bricks be placed in the tanks to reduce water usage.
The result: Now instead of getting that turd to flush the first time, you have to flush 2,3 times using more water than the old tanks to get the same size turds to flush.
3.) Demand plastic straws be banned and replaced with paper straws.
The result: Paper straws wrapped in plastic. The cutting down of more trees to make the paper to make paper straws.
And they consider themselves experts. LOL
There was a time when governments invested in Blue Sky projects. Thatcher in the UK started a project for our space programme (HOTOL)that involved atmospheric engines (used oxygen in the atmosphere as fuel) and it as scrapped. Dyson vacuum cleaners started in a garden shed. Sir Clive Sinclair started the home computer craze with the ZX80. These developments based on imagination no longer exist.
1. Instead of replacing oil with electricity, look for a different fuel (water apparently)
2. Invest in nuclear power and move the tech forward.
3. Invest in fusion research and advance that development.
4. Force related companies to release the patents they have in cold storage.
5. spend money on ideas that have potential instead of ideas that bring profit.
Our advancement is being crippled by the brain dead in power and corporate greed.
I bought some straws made out of corn that were pretty good.
@@halvorthmorvair1805 like what you had to say. So sad things have gotten to this point. It seems the world is just gotten stupid, especially here in the US.
So they get rid of plastic straws,, but makes lots more plastic bottles. Makes perfect sense. 😢😂
And oil is needed to make plastic!
Thank you, John. Always enlightening to watch your posts. Also glad to see you looking healthy.