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After hearing this I just realized my freshman social studies teacher made us play Diplomacy as a class without the board game and explained it as a "simulation"
Same with a difference of being able to produce specialized troops. Started with the worst possible location except that we were able to make pirates and survive until the end of the game.
We played a similar game in our class once, but it had different rules. My team ended up declaring war on the world at the end because we had too many troops.
@@colemanroberts1102 yeah we’ve all played tons of those though. It’s very rare to see a game that can only be played by 6 or 7 people actually get played, which is why seeing this is really cool
I was expecting the "extreme weather" to be an added on twist like insane monopoly, but having most players acting completely normal and just one having a bad day is a strange combination of refreshingly new and comfortably reminiscent.
Just the mental image of Teddy the senile 90 year old sultan swinging swords at a hurricane while Solll has to carry out his orders and become "temporary sultan of the ottoman empire" while Teddy was dead, only for him to rise from his grave with a laptop and hotspot to keep playing Diplomacy is funny beyond anything else
A fact about Italy I never fail to bring up whenever people think that their proud Italian heritage/culture makes them better than other people. Pretty much everyone has done something shameful in history so if they want to cling onto their past as a source of superiority, I know everyone's dirty laundry. Everyone sucks. Go figure.
I like that Rue didn't realize how big of a deal it was that he had an entire nation who basically refused to stab him in the back for most of his game.
Truly the next escalation. From Crypt, to Crypt the board game, to triple insane monopoly... the only thing more torturous could possibly be... a completely normal game of diplomacy
So here is a fun diplomacy story My dad played it at uni. They would do one round a night and spend the rest of the day doing planning One guy thought he was pulling a fast one by alliancing with everyone in the game and keeping himself safe and waiting for it to blow over. Yet people caught on to the idea and one night everyone targeted him at the same time despite saying they would help him and he was wiped off the map He didnt talk to them for a week
Fun fact about Ian, from someone who went through Ian (I'm fine btw, got very lucky): While it is *classified* as a cat 4, it was literally 2 or 3 mph away from being a cat 5! This man played Diplomacy in the middle of an almost cat 5 hurricane! Hell, the people in my area actually think it is a cat 5, because our wind speed detectors BROKE somewhere in the cat 4 speeds!
If only you could engineer windspeed detectors that broke at _exactly_ category five. ...it would probably make sense to make slightly stronger ones that also told you _how_ category 5 it was, but still.
Even as the Great Wars of the 1900's reached their peak, Sultan Teddy was suddenly blessed by a divine vision, and immediately departed Istanbul, claiming he was on a holy quest. He left his trusted Grand Visier, Soll, in command of military matters until his curious sabbatical was complete. The great Sultan travelled into the remote depths of the mountains, when there discovered the monster he was tasked to slay: a great living storm that swirled and crackled with the force of pure rage incarnate. For entire days and nights, he endured the tempest, battling his way into it's eye, and there supposedly "tore out the heart of the gale". Exactly how this was accomplished remains unknown, for the Sultan never gave any greater detail of his feat, but all agree he returned home to the capital a greatly changed man. The masterful resurgence of the Empire in the years that followed was the stuff of legend in its own right. Some claim his Excellency had ascended beyond the realm of mere mortal men; the entire kingdom of Italy, or so the story goes, submitted to his rule simply at his order to do so. With the destruction of Russia, and the collapse of the Northern Allies soon thereafter, all Europe fell at last to the mighty Ottoman Empire, reborn anew amidst the fires of war. And forever after, this incredible triumph would be owed to one man above all: Sultan Teddy, The StormBreaker.
I love this game so much. Played it in AP European History class in high school as France. Our class was divided into groups of 3, except my group, which had 2. Most of my friends were Germany, and most of my partner's friends were Britain. Very quickly Germany, France, Russia, and Italy (who we forced to join) formed the Quadruple Alliance to take out Britain. Over the course of the game the Quadruple Alliance slowly wore down Britain and left Austria to die at the hands of the Ottomans. In true European fashion, after the Asian power had weakened Austria, The Quad Alliance stole most of the land. As we approached the final turn, Germany proposed an "intervention" into Russia. This left their western border completely undefended. Iirc, Germany had 6 supply centers, and when the map updated after the last turn, 3 of them became French. My friend who led Germany was so stunned by the betrayal he wouldn't talk to me for a while after that. I told my teacher to give my partner a free A because I didn't let her play the game because she constantly wanted to be friends with Britain and the British tried to use her as a spy.
Yoo, someone else who played it in AP Euro! My game had the class split into trios for each country, my team got England. After going for Norway first, I was able to convince the others to go for St. Petersburg. Somehow this was unresisted and glorious Albion purple went up over the map. Undefendable, yes, but at the time very satisfying to see. But then I was unable to convince the other two to build fleets, and they insisted on building up the British army instead. Needless to say any chance of further expansion went up in smoke. I have never facepalmed so hard in a board game since.
@@MudakTheMultiplier We played it over the course of a few months. I think we played it on every friday once a week. We would have the entire 40-ish minute class period for a turn. Don't remember what year we ended on, but we ran out of time when the semester was wrapping up.
“Once I realize I have zero chance of winning, I attach myself to the winner.” Vale saw he was playing italy and decided to use their most used strategy
@@skengo9817 I wonder if you could add an extra layer of politics to Diplomacy by having teams vote on their next move rather than decide as a group. Not only do you have to worry about the enemies across the border, you have to also worry about the enemies within those borders too. Hmm, but to get a group large enough to make that a factor, there would be enough people in the game to fill a house of parliament. That'd be damn near untenable without a streamlined framework of operation, and it's probably a bad sign if your game requires a constitution to work properly :/
My favorite thing about this is how maivi could've done a stalemate, but because of a backstab early on in the game, she then backstabbed them both so teddy could win with the hurricane in the background
Vale, fyi: 'Diplomacy' does not entail firebombing your enemies until they agree, nor does it entail throwing waves of men at the enemy until they agree.
Click File > Options > Language. In the Set the Office Language Preferences dialog box, under Choose Display and Help Languages, choose the language that you want to use, and then select Set as Default.
46:55 The idea of someone playing with an inaccurate map is funny to me. And part of me thinks that if Vale does another video on Diplomacy that he could torture people with that. Like, imagine if Vale (the torturer) is the only person moving the pieces and everyone else is making their turns based on 1 turn old screenshots. It'd probably be incredibly scuffed but it's an amusing thought.
They could just draw on the image to get the current state with reasonable accuracy. There might be a few miscommunications but I dont expect too many mistakes to happen that way. Wouldnt change the game that much. How about "fog of war" instead? I.e. instead of seeing the whole map you only see your tiles and the tiles next to your borders. And you dont see all the orders, instead you only get told the actions that happen in the tiles you can see. Would lead to a lot of "interesting" social dynamics because in order to get a grasp on the state of the game you have to trust other nations to relay their information to you.
@@PixelRockett CIV without unit spam and economy being absolute king, but yes you could just decide to setup said game in civ on instant mode and everyone can only unlock certain things per turn and build certain things per turn.
The best part of playing War Thunder is that you will instantly lose the torture board game. And won't have to sit and lose your mind for 8 hours in table top sim
I want to see you play Risk 2210 with ALL of the fan-made expansion maps. Have the entire group fight from one end of the solar system to the other. The video would have to be about two hours long.
The guy who made 5D chess (with multiversal time-travel) pitched the way 5D Diplomacy could work and what the rules would be to make the game function. However, such a game does not yet exist, perhaps for the best.
@OURO8ORUO I bought 5D Chess w/ Multiversal Time-Travel for a singular reason, and that was so that I could play a "normal" game of chess with my unsuspecting cousin and then checkmate him out of nowhere by time traveling and laugh. I played it a little bit, while I can easily understand the rules actually figuring out how to play it effectively feels almost insurmountable with an incredible amount of time investment. 5D diplomacy sounds ungodly.
My group has only ever managed to play one game with Italy. Normally it’s just the 6 player game, which is still great but it’s just not quite the same.
@@dynamo8846 WOW just wanted to say thank you for keeping your subscriptions public. I'm almost all the way through and never have I seen a funnier list. Bless your heart!
I love Rue's defense of "you left me defenseless and ... Austria-Hungary?" because yeah, being Austria-Hungary really is a poor state to leave someone in
I didn’t get to play this game very often, but some of my favorite memories are reading the orders, which occasionally included an order to "walk into the Atlantic with lead boots," or one instance of someone falsifying the orders of another player which they would have gotten away with if they didn’t sign their note card. Wish I had the chance to play Diplomacy more, thanks for the vid!
I have an idea for a torture (or at least chaotic) version of diplomacy: **Diplomania:** Each of the countries has two players NEITHER of which can talk to each other. Each turn flip a coin to see who controls the nation this turn (or just swap each turn) including the "diplomacy (scheming) and play the game as usual. Let the complete chaos of 7 nations with split personalities, none of which have any idea what the other is scheming/planning, ensue.
More insane version of this: Council for each nation. Each nation has 3-4 people as a group. One person is allowed to write the card. The other two can try to win normally (for reduced points due to not being commanding officer), or undermine the card writer in attempt to steal leadership.
"They were like "No, don't bother even trying to negotiate with him. It's not worth it." No, it's the fucking Joker running Austria-Hungary" _- Emperor Valefisk of Italy, Diplomacy_ [11:29]
I love how vale made an entire animation setup for this instead of using backstabber or something similar that already exists. All you really have to explain is black orders worked and red orders failed.
Can confirm diplomacy is an amazing game. Our teachers had to put a ban on even mentioning it in class because kids were negotiating and discussing tactics during lessons
Hey, could also be an awesome game in a snowstorm. New York is getting buried right now and I'm happy that we are currently watching your video and staying warm and safe.
Hey who's gonna tell him about the board game World Deplomacy. It's like the normal game of Diplomacy but there's like 28 different countries and it takes about a month or longer to play
@@ladywaffle2210 There was a different one from 2012-2016. It ended in a stalemate with Italy in first, Germany in second with Austria, and Russia in third. (Able to search it up if you want.)
Ah yes, hurricane Ian gameplay. Did some of that myself, was the only apartment block around to not have a power outage. The “aren’t you in the middle of a hurricane” messages were gold
I had to play a game of Diplomacy for a grade in a college class. I got Italy, and despite being the worst option statistically, I managed to dominate the board and win.
From TVTropes: "A Gambit Pileup involves two or more people with completely separate agendas each hatching complicated plans. The storyline is thrown into chaos and even the most savvy fans can't predict how it will all end. Be prepared to make a flow diagram to keep up with everyone's scheme."
If Valefisk is a fan of the multiplayer boardgame format of simultaneous turn resolution, deliberately constrained resources and moves, secret alliances being necessary but betrayal being inevitable due to a sole winner - I think he'd be a fan of the Solium Infernum remake when it launches. It's a hex-based simultaneous strategy game set in a Paradise Lost inspired hell, one that is both intensely bureaucratic and prone to horrible violence and treachery. Eg you can't just go to war on your own, you need to manufacture a causus belli as an excuse to start a parliament-sanctioned vendetta. Sometimes your turn log can even lie to you if someone has specced into the deceit power set. You unfortunately can't get the original anymore - but the full 3D remake is launching sometime next year. th-cam.com/video/FWaKCknc39s/w-d-xo.html "To reign is worth ambition Though in this place of darkness made visible Better to rule in hell / than serve in heaven"
Can recommend the app version "conspiracy" of this game. Has some more gamemodes and a lot of other maps, while most of it is very practically automated
The deal making of this game is like Catan, you're not exactly willing to trade with your enemy but you have to if you want to win, so everyone is begrudgingly working together.
i love this video. i come back to rewatch it every couple of weeks or so. i hope someday we can get another diplomacy game with this group (or similar) because i really would love to see how people play across multiple games.
Ah yes, the one true persistant team "lets finish this in the most expedient way possible so we can go to bed while still not just quitting" wins again i see
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Don't do it, star in a Valefisk video instead, it would genuinely be less pain-inducing.
How is the comment from 2d ago but the vid has been up for 20 minutes
Hell yeah advertisements!
Release the full vod jkjk unless
Ok Vale but where’s the Decal?????
After hearing this I just realized my freshman social studies teacher made us play Diplomacy as a class without the board game and explained it as a "simulation"
Sounds like a rad teacher
Same here, all I remember is that I created chaos and won
Same with a difference of being able to produce specialized troops. Started with the worst possible location except that we were able to make pirates and survive until the end of the game.
We played a similar game in our class once, but it had different rules. My team ended up declaring war on the world at the end because we had too many troops.
@@SilentEchoes-99 having far too much unchecked military power will do that to a gamer
Ultimately Vale's content entices people with the unthinkable idea of being able to get more than like 3 people to play games with you
There’s a great channel called no rolls barred. It’s that same wish fulfillment but every week
Solution: games for 4 people.
@@colemanroberts1102 yeah we’ve all played tons of those though. It’s very rare to see a game that can only be played by 6 or 7 people actually get played, which is why seeing this is really cool
I’m a GM in 5 games and a player in 3 other game I always got peaple to play with
The dream honestly
Ladies, get a man who looks at you the way Teddy looks at Diplomacy
Man was willing to fight a category 5 hurricane just to keep playing.
In shoddy picture form with half a year's delay
laggy?
@@Potato-pq5ez Perfect! He will never notice when you're getting old.
@@Potato-pq5ez as god intended diplomacy to be played
Love how 90 % of content seems to be turning towards "Vale and victims play boardgames"
"Play"
It's more of a "suffer through"
TH-camrs thought they were onto something with "Me and my friends!" video ideas. They ain't ready for "Vale and his victims!"
or "vale and f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶s victims play torturous video game"
Paradox needs to send them a copy of the hearts of iron board game we were promised years ago
It's what we want
I was expecting the "extreme weather" to be an added on twist like insane monopoly, but having most players acting completely normal and just one having a bad day is a strange combination of refreshingly new and comfortably reminiscent.
same, I was very happy with the extremely dangerous and life threatening hurricane
Teddy was having a great day, he got to play diplomacy.
@@redkite1908 and he won
A devastating Category 5 hurricane never hurt anyone.
lmao same turns out he's in an actual hurricane like bruh playing is not that important lol
“General, we are under siege. What are our orders?”
“What do you mean General Teddy is drowning?”
"The General is currently on a raft, he is messaging us through smoke signals."
Just the mental image of Teddy the senile 90 year old sultan swinging swords at a hurricane while Solll has to carry out his orders and become "temporary sultan of the ottoman empire" while Teddy was dead, only for him to rise from his grave with a laptop and hotspot to keep playing Diplomacy is funny beyond anything else
Solll is the grand vizier
Honestly a badass idea for a dnd character
@@user-pd2mp8nk5g Everyone secretly laughed at the insane old sultan when he started swinging at the winds.
They all stopped when he won.
@@Mafia200100 the storm slaying sultan
@@Mafia200100this is some banger mtg flavor text
Vale is really getting into the Italy mindset by realizing he can't win, and just joining the winning team instead
Larping hard
Honestly this is just me in TI
Is vale secretly an italian?
A fact about Italy I never fail to bring up whenever people think that their proud Italian heritage/culture makes them better than other people. Pretty much everyone has done something shameful in history so if they want to cling onto their past as a source of superiority, I know everyone's dirty laundry. Everyone sucks. Go figure.
@@naheleshiriki5496 I take pride in my ancestors because they're dead and I think that's something we can all aspire to.
I like that Rue didn't realize how big of a deal it was that he had an entire nation who basically refused to stab him in the back for most of his game.
Truly the next escalation. From Crypt, to Crypt the board game, to triple insane monopoly... the only thing more torturous could possibly be... a completely normal game of diplomacy
Well, normal aside from the fact that one player is most of the time busy fighting a category 5 hurricane (and somehow still wins anyways).
@@462n The man fought against the Empires of Europe and Mother Nature herself and won against the odds
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 He captured some control points from Hurricane Ian which allowed him to win the game
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 strongest European men vs. weakest Floridian man
This is why risk is banned in my household
“Its f*cking diplomacy, kill him” I feel like Vale really embraced his Machiavelli in this game
Machiavale
Diplomacy is a great game, definitely worth playing IRL if you get enough strategy nerds and alcohol into the same room for an afternoon
Yeah, this looks amazing to play, I just don't have enough friends who'd also be down to play it
@@Pikaton659 and time to explained the rule without discouraging it
Nothing better than day drinking and board games, I’m going to have to get this set up soon. Looks like a lot of fun
Diplomacy was created so that nerds could learn how to talk to other people
What are the chances someone's getting glassed?
Honestly Teddy was playing the most authentic play-by-mail version of the game
Play by mail?
@@mkatkitkat play by mail.
@@mkatkitkat something from the old days of the Internet, you would just send the save game over by email
@@thatonejoey1847 And before that by postal mail.
@@Henry8VIII8 Yep, there's ancient records of people sending chess moves through mail, and Diplomacy was at one point a popular game to play this way.
So here is a fun diplomacy story
My dad played it at uni. They would do one round a night and spend the rest of the day doing planning
One guy thought he was pulling a fast one by alliancing with everyone in the game and keeping himself safe and waiting for it to blow over. Yet people caught on to the idea and one night everyone targeted him at the same time despite saying they would help him and he was wiped off the map
He didnt talk to them for a week
I love hearing all these stories in the comments about Diplomacy ruining people’s friendships lol
Lmao because no one was going to talk to each other about him?
me watching this while the worst winter storm in decades is ravaging through the us
Skill issue, just get closer to the sun
same lmao
@@big924 tower of babel 2
My car's gas and oil froze solid.
I'm sitting next to a big wood stove and am barely not shivering
"You are allied to one of them, aren`t you?"
"Yeah, but I don`t know wich one"
Peak Diplomacy.
“Congratulations, Sultan! We have finally conquered the infidels!”
“... Sultan?”
**Garbled Hurricane Noises**
Fun fact about Ian, from someone who went through Ian (I'm fine btw, got very lucky):
While it is *classified* as a cat 4, it was literally 2 or 3 mph away from being a cat 5! This man played Diplomacy in the middle of an almost cat 5 hurricane! Hell, the people in my area actually think it is a cat 5, because our wind speed detectors BROKE somewhere in the cat 4 speeds!
at landfall it was at 150 mph like ida of 2021 and laura of 2020 (i lost my house personally lol)
If only you could engineer windspeed detectors that broke at _exactly_ category five.
...it would probably make sense to make slightly stronger ones that also told you _how_ category 5 it was, but still.
who the fuck is ian
@@timothymclean I dont exactly live in a huge city or nothing, so I guess our detectors were not up to it.
Update about Ian, it was reclassified as a category 5 back in March
i love how many of these videos end with "please lets just all make this one person win so we can all be free"
Teddy playing in the middle of a hurricane in the most Theodore Roosevelt move ever
It really is. Wasn't Teddy R. the one who got shot in the middle of a speech and kept fucking _going_ while security tackled the guy?
@@bengal4047Yep, that was Roosevelt alright.
Given how torturous it is, I’m surprised Vale didn’t do this earlier. I’m even more surprised he didn’t use a larger map, like Europa Renovatio
Inb4 next video is a 30 man game of Diplomacy
@@Imperial_Squid Please
Europa Universalis IV: Now With Extra Backstabbing
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@@AnglosArentHuman Among EU
Even as the Great Wars of the 1900's reached their peak, Sultan Teddy was suddenly blessed by a divine vision, and immediately departed Istanbul, claiming he was on a holy quest. He left his trusted Grand Visier, Soll, in command of military matters until his curious sabbatical was complete.
The great Sultan travelled into the remote depths of the mountains, when there discovered the monster he was tasked to slay: a great living storm that swirled and crackled with the force of pure rage incarnate. For entire days and nights, he endured the tempest, battling his way into it's eye, and there supposedly "tore out the heart of the gale". Exactly how this was accomplished remains unknown, for the Sultan never gave any greater detail of his feat, but all agree he returned home to the capital a greatly changed man.
The masterful resurgence of the Empire in the years that followed was the stuff of legend in its own right. Some claim his Excellency had ascended beyond the realm of mere mortal men; the entire kingdom of Italy, or so the story goes, submitted to his rule simply at his order to do so. With the destruction of Russia, and the collapse of the Northern Allies soon thereafter, all Europe fell at last to the mighty Ottoman Empire, reborn anew amidst the fires of war. And forever after, this incredible triumph would be owed to one man above all: Sultan Teddy, The StormBreaker.
Beautiful.
First of all, I will not allow you to utter the name "Teddy Roosevelt" without the title "Sultan and Caliph, peace be upon his name." .
I feel like teddy should change his name to the title Stormbreaker as a badge of honor for this
I'm leaving this reply so I can laugh at this comment when I annually delete a bunch of my comments.
@@iainoftheizzetleague9850 Hello!
I love this game so much.
Played it in AP European History class in high school as France. Our class was divided into groups of 3, except my group, which had 2. Most of my friends were Germany, and most of my partner's friends were Britain. Very quickly Germany, France, Russia, and Italy (who we forced to join) formed the Quadruple Alliance to take out Britain. Over the course of the game the Quadruple Alliance slowly wore down Britain and left Austria to die at the hands of the Ottomans. In true European fashion, after the Asian power had weakened Austria, The Quad Alliance stole most of the land. As we approached the final turn, Germany proposed an "intervention" into Russia. This left their western border completely undefended. Iirc, Germany had 6 supply centers, and when the map updated after the last turn, 3 of them became French. My friend who led Germany was so stunned by the betrayal he wouldn't talk to me for a while after that. I told my teacher to give my partner a free A because I didn't let her play the game because she constantly wanted to be friends with Britain and the British tried to use her as a spy.
Yoo, someone else who played it in AP Euro! My game had the class split into trios for each country, my team got England. After going for Norway first, I was able to convince the others to go for St. Petersburg. Somehow this was unresisted and glorious Albion purple went up over the map. Undefendable, yes, but at the time very satisfying to see. But then I was unable to convince the other two to build fleets, and they insisted on building up the British army instead. Needless to say any chance of further expansion went up in smoke. I have never facepalmed so hard in a board game since.
So did you do it all in one day or was it one turn a day and you could do scheming outside of class?
@@MudakTheMultiplier In my case, we had one session and we played maybe 4 turns only? So hardly enough time to finish a game but we had to move on
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@@MudakTheMultiplier We played it over the course of a few months. I think we played it on every friday once a week. We would have the entire 40-ish minute class period for a turn. Don't remember what year we ended on, but we ran out of time when the semester was wrapping up.
“Once I realize I have zero chance of winning, I attach myself to the winner.” Vale saw he was playing italy and decided to use their most used strategy
This game is absolutely legendary when it's played in a history class with like 30 people, 5 on each team
I feel you may have experience with this
I feel like team is the wrong word...
Parliament? Congress?
@@Axius27 A government, if you will
@@skengo9817 I wonder if you could add an extra layer of politics to Diplomacy by having teams vote on their next move rather than decide as a group. Not only do you have to worry about the enemies across the border, you have to also worry about the enemies within those borders too.
Hmm, but to get a group large enough to make that a factor, there would be enough people in the game to fill a house of parliament. That'd be damn near untenable without a streamlined framework of operation, and it's probably a bad sign if your game requires a constitution to work properly :/
@@Axius27 throw in the ability for players to switch or create their own team
My favorite thing about this is how maivi could've done a stalemate, but because of a backstab early on in the game, she then backstabbed them both so teddy could win with the hurricane in the background
Vale, fyi: 'Diplomacy' does not entail firebombing your enemies until they agree, nor does it entail throwing waves of men at the enemy until they agree.
Worked for alexander the great tho
And stalin
Something something history is written by the winners 🤷♂️
US in WW2 sweating
USA moment...
Color Text Guide:
Vale: White
Lynx: Mint green
Maivi: Pink
PedeJo: Really pale orange
Dyno: Purple
Rue: Green
Teddy: Yellow
Solll: Brown
I never did get an answer on how to change my language preference in PowerPoint
Click File > Options > Language. In the Set the Office Language Preferences dialog box, under Choose Display and Help Languages, choose the language that you want to use, and then select Set as Default.
you just do
46:55 The idea of someone playing with an inaccurate map is funny to me. And part of me thinks that if Vale does another video on Diplomacy that he could torture people with that. Like, imagine if Vale (the torturer) is the only person moving the pieces and everyone else is making their turns based on 1 turn old screenshots. It'd probably be incredibly scuffed but it's an amusing thought.
They could just draw on the image to get the current state with reasonable accuracy. There might be a few miscommunications but I dont expect too many mistakes to happen that way. Wouldnt change the game that much.
How about "fog of war" instead? I.e. instead of seeing the whole map you only see your tiles and the tiles next to your borders. And you dont see all the orders, instead you only get told the actions that happen in the tiles you can see. Would lead to a lot of "interesting" social dynamics because in order to get a grasp on the state of the game you have to trust other nations to relay their information to you.
@@Cenodisisn’t that just CIV?
@@PixelRockett CIV without unit spam and economy being absolute king, but yes you could just decide to setup said game in civ on instant mode and everyone can only unlock certain things per turn and build certain things per turn.
magic the noah did smth similar to this but the players never got to see the board
@@IneptRat Was just about to suggest that vid; I love it to death. Nobody escapes the McDonalds playplace
The joker running Austria hungry is pretty accurate to real life
Is austria hungary just the joker of europe
@@kaiservonpanzer213 was
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142
When does Austria-Hungary come back as a twink?
@@inquisitorbenediktanders3142
When does Austria-Hungary come back as a twink?
"Aw, but I just made an agreement with Dyno... I'd feel so ba..."
"Just backstab him, it's fucking diplomacy, kill him!"
I love this group.
Teddy trying negotiate with Vale after screwing him over was so funny.
they still be molding to this day:)
Do you have the link to this mod?
Maivi is my favourite of Vale's friends. I find she works with his shenanigans well
The best part of playing War Thunder is that you will instantly lose the torture board game. And won't have to sit and lose your mind for 8 hours in table top sim
War Thunder itself is a torture game, of which I have almost 300 hours and have uninstalled and reinstalled probably 10 times now
@@hedgeearthridge6807 best Way to descibe WT is as a toxic love hate relationship
@@NovelPond as a person nearing 2k hours and around the same amount of money spent, I couldn't agree with your statement more
@@NovelPond as a man with 5000 hours in WT, i can confirm
And now I’m playing it cause of boredom
I feel that energy Teddy has. During Ian, I attended a Discord D&D game like nothing was even happening.
I want to see you play Risk 2210 with ALL of the fan-made expansion maps. Have the entire group fight from one end of the solar system to the other. The video would have to be about two hours long.
Wait that's a thing? Oh my god I'm so excited
@@justiceforjoggers2897 The game? Yes. Will they play it? Probably not, but we can only hope.
The amount of dice rolling will be the torturous part
Risk on its own is already an objectively torturous and shit board game
Diplomacy is also one of those games where you can create absolutely bonkers Valefisk-level variants that increase the suffering even further
The guy who made 5D chess (with multiversal time-travel) pitched the way 5D Diplomacy could work and what the rules would be to make the game function. However, such a game does not yet exist, perhaps for the best.
@OURO8ORUO I bought 5D Chess w/ Multiversal Time-Travel for a singular reason, and that was so that I could play a "normal" game of chess with my unsuspecting cousin and then checkmate him out of nowhere by time traveling and laugh.
I played it a little bit, while I can easily understand the rules actually figuring out how to play it effectively feels almost insurmountable with an incredible amount of time investment.
5D diplomacy sounds ungodly.
Recorded in an hurricane, released in an icestorm, poetic.
"This is getting too intense for me"
"It's TALKING"
Lynx is just like me
These kinds of videos take so long to come out, but they're so very worth it.
Even more surprising is your victims seem to agree to their suffering.
it’s that effect when captives fall in love with their perpetrator
@@Zuinator Stockholm syndrome i think is the name
i believe they call this stockholm syndrome
The hardest part of diplomacy is getting together the people to play a full game. Idk how you did it.
If you're on an Android device, I'd recommend trying out Conspiracy, It's Diplomacy but the standard turn timer is 24 hours.
Its not the first time we’ve played it, every couple months we do a game
My group has only ever managed to play one game with Italy. Normally it’s just the 6 player game, which is still great but it’s just not quite the same.
@@dynamo8846 WOW just wanted to say thank you for keeping your subscriptions public. I'm almost all the way through and never have I seen a funnier list. Bless your heart!
It helps when everyone is a content creator where doing this kind of thing is literally their job.
Teddy is always like radioing in from the most cursed scenarios. First its the hoi game, now this.
I love Rue's defense of "you left me defenseless and ... Austria-Hungary?" because yeah, being Austria-Hungary really is a poor state to leave someone in
Vales relationship with everyone:
Allies: Yes
Enemies: *Also yes*
56:54 “no I’m not negotiating, did you notice” is my favourite libe
A Valefisk video that's 1.5 hours long? What a treat
I didn’t get to play this game very often, but some of my favorite memories are reading the orders, which occasionally included an order to "walk into the Atlantic with lead boots," or one instance of someone falsifying the orders of another player which they would have gotten away with if they didn’t sign their note card. Wish I had the chance to play Diplomacy more, thanks for the vid!
Let's die together
I love how at some point the game shifted to “trying to make Teddy win so we can go to bed”
I have an idea for a torture (or at least chaotic) version of diplomacy:
**Diplomania:** Each of the countries has two players NEITHER of which can talk to each other. Each turn flip a coin to see who controls the nation this turn (or just swap each turn) including the "diplomacy (scheming) and play the game as usual. Let the complete chaos of 7 nations with split personalities, none of which have any idea what the other is scheming/planning, ensue.
More insane version of this:
Council for each nation.
Each nation has 3-4 people as a group. One person is allowed to write the card. The other two can try to win normally (for reduced points due to not being commanding officer), or undermine the card writer in attempt to steal leadership.
"They were like "No, don't bother even trying to negotiate with him. It's not worth it." No, it's the fucking Joker running Austria-Hungary"
_- Emperor Valefisk of Italy, Diplomacy_ [11:29]
I love how these all end with Vale and Maivi conspiring to go to end the game and sleep.
Maivi, Lynx, and PedeJo were so concerned with constant backstabbing that they consistently worked against their own interests
I love how vale made an entire animation setup for this instead of using backstabber or something similar that already exists. All you really have to explain is black orders worked and red orders failed.
Maivi, seconds in: “I will hold this grudge…!”
Judging by the ChatGPT video, she did, in fact, hold that grudge
As the pasha of the Ottoman Empire this feels like i win.
Can confirm diplomacy is an amazing game. Our teachers had to put a ban on even mentioning it in class because kids were negotiating and discussing tactics during lessons
somebody needs to turn this into an animated timelapse of the map
Hey, could also be an awesome game in a snowstorm. New York is getting buried right now and I'm happy that we are currently watching your video and staying warm and safe.
I was at new york yesterday and today and it was not snowing
@@masterjbt They mean upstate
It's from PA to Niagara Falls / erie and niagara counties.
@@masterjbt ITS -8 AND SNOWING WTF U MEAN
@@ImperialVictory ah
Hey who's gonna tell him about the board game World Deplomacy. It's like the normal game of Diplomacy but there's like 28 different countries and it takes about a month or longer to play
That terrifies me
There is a championship diplomacy game was played from 2001 - 2004. A game about ww1 took nearly as long as ww1 to complete.
@@OhhiBukai Who won
@@ladywaffle2210 There was a different one from 2012-2016. It ended in a stalemate with Italy in first, Germany in second with Austria, and Russia in third. (Able to search it up if you want.)
Pretty sure it was a draw.
The more of Valefisk’s videos I watch the more I realize Maivi is arguably the best game player of all of them. By a significant margin
The weather outside is frightful, the weather in the video is frightful, the screams are delightful
Ah yes, hurricane Ian gameplay. Did some of that myself, was the only apartment block around to not have a power outage.
The “aren’t you in the middle of a hurricane” messages were gold
Can't believe Vale managed to get a hurricane going in order to torture people this time
*"I don't need power for my internet, my internet is not real"*
~Teddy Roosevelt
I had to play a game of Diplomacy for a grade in a college class. I got Italy, and despite being the worst option statistically, I managed to dominate the board and win.
"It's the fucking Joker running Austria-Hungary"
Watching this while at break when it’s -40 degrees outside. Wonderful
Celsius or Fahrenheit?
@@strych9ines Doesn't matter. -40 C is -40 F.
@@erictheepic5019 -40 degrees kelvin :)
@@erictheepic5019 oh wow! you got the joke! congrats.
From TVTropes:
"A Gambit Pileup involves two or more people with completely separate agendas each hatching complicated plans. The storyline is thrown into chaos and even the most savvy fans can't predict how it will all end. Be prepared to make a flow diagram to keep up with everyone's scheme."
Okay but like seriously this game actually seems so fun
I thought that until they were playing for 5 and a half hours
Love how Vale realizes halfway through that the real victory is not having to play the game anymore.
I like when you explain what happens, please don’t be scared to do it too much it’s easier to follow, love the simplistic map you made too
I love how halfway through Vale just absolutely snaps and goes full Diplomacy John Wick on Teddy and Rue
Teddy's playing in a Cat 5 Hurricane and I'm watching this in a -40 degree Blizzard, how fitting
This video is a disaster
If Valefisk is a fan of the multiplayer boardgame format of simultaneous turn resolution, deliberately constrained resources and moves, secret alliances being necessary but betrayal being inevitable due to a sole winner - I think he'd be a fan of the Solium Infernum remake when it launches.
It's a hex-based simultaneous strategy game set in a Paradise Lost inspired hell, one that is both intensely bureaucratic and prone to horrible violence and treachery. Eg you can't just go to war on your own, you need to manufacture a causus belli as an excuse to start a parliament-sanctioned vendetta. Sometimes your turn log can even lie to you if someone has specced into the deceit power set.
You unfortunately can't get the original anymore - but the full 3D remake is launching sometime next year.
th-cam.com/video/FWaKCknc39s/w-d-xo.html
"To reign is worth ambition
Though in this place of darkness made visible
Better to rule in hell / than serve in heaven"
Can recommend the app version "conspiracy" of this game. Has some more gamemodes and a lot of other maps, while most of it is very practically automated
Went and downloaded that app after this video, ran into like three other people that read your comment, lol
@@DJLite4011 nice
The deal making of this game is like Catan, you're not exactly willing to trade with your enemy but you have to if you want to win, so everyone is begrudgingly working together.
38:08 I love how in the span of seconds, this went from anger to confusion to humor on Lynx's behalf.
Can’t wait for round 2 of this to drop later this week
Valefisk: loves to torture his friends
also Valefisk: loves diplomacy
yeah this makes perfect sense
04:00 I'm reliably informed that being right in the middle of a hurricane is where you *want* to be, so this is fine.
"We're both shitboxes. What if we work together to make one *giant* shitbox?"
That's probably the best strategery I've ever heard.
The tags in the description are the ultimate motto of this channel. “Pain, Gaming, Valefisk”
Vale and Maivi being goblins together made my day somehow xd
Ah yes, the diplomacy digital board game. Also know as HOI4. Thank you TH-cam
what game lets him play all of the board games?
@@tlbcanine3748 tabletop simulator
Only 25 minutes in and Teddy is already the MVP. "Fuck you Hurricane, I wanna play Deplomacy!"
"A man will nearly die in a hurricane, it's completely worth it."
Big oil be like.
i love this video. i come back to rewatch it every couple of weeks or so. i hope someday we can get another diplomacy game with this group (or similar) because i really would love to see how people play across multiple games.
“Guys it’s not an inflation fetish it’s something else”
*doesn’t say what it is*
Me, a Floridian hearing that a player was in the middle if a hurricane: (0-o-0)
Bonus: Hurricane, as a "technical difficulty"
I remember playing this back in highschool and I've never lost so many friends playing a god damn board game in one sitting.
1:21:04
"Sprung"
"Harvest"
*LOL*
You know they've been playing for a while now 😂
This is incredible. The dedication to play in horrible weather
As a Grand strategy buff this game's mere existence makes me incredibly happy
Hurricane Diplomacy is a thankless task. In part because hurricanes are never willing to negotiate.
Teddy channeling the power of Thor leaving countless buildings destroyed just to win a game of diplomacy
Ah yes, the one true persistant team "lets finish this in the most expedient way possible so we can go to bed while still not just quitting" wins again i see
Teddy playing on his laptop with his Hotspot during Ian might be the most Florida thing to happen in a video