How The Fall Changed Adam | Jonathan & Matthieu Pageau

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  • @melzization
    @melzization 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I was raised in an evangelical family in NZ and Australia, where my father had a true spiritual awakening one night in his early 20's back in the 60's. He had left a violent home life when he was 12 and became a rock n roll drummer, living the RnR lifestyle when he met my mother. He accepted Jesus as his saviour and was literally transformed into a new man, and the Bible really was the Living Word in his life and our home. I'm now in my 50's and it has taken a long time for my siblings and I to find the living God in our own lives... In my own life, I experienced a true divine intervention, through earnest prayer of a Psalm I had learned growing up, and now I live my life as best I can, as prayer to Him. I really appreciate your channel very much. Thank you for all you give, especially in this time of great turbulence. May God bless you and keep you always.

    • @fritzco55
      @fritzco55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What a great testimony. May I ask - what was the Psalm you had learned?

    • @jeffpickens4467
      @jeffpickens4467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God bless from another Kiwi

    • @leondbleondb
      @leondbleondb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice testimony. Want to share the Psalm yet?

    • @leondbleondb
      @leondbleondb ปีที่แล้ว

      Which Psalm?

  • @panokostouros7609
    @panokostouros7609 4 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Yeah this is considered by most to be "crazy talk", but teaching children that they emerged from meaningless primordial slime with no Creative impetus is normative and enforced by law? And people wonder why we're so cynical today.

    • @aeiouaeiou100
      @aeiouaeiou100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Yeah, the nihilistic, flat, meaningless, godless, and sterile wasteland I found myself in when growing into adulthood is no joke. Only now I am slowly starting to see the light and I am 26.

    • @melzization
      @melzization 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@aeiouaeiou100 One could argue a causality factor too; where we see a massive rise in mental illness in teenagers and young adults; a sort ofvpiritual/cultural malaise in both the personal and collective level of soul...

    • @Stephen-uz8dm
      @Stephen-uz8dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We live in an age of madness

    • @Stephen-uz8dm
      @Stephen-uz8dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Every time you shuffle a deck of cards you have a new oder of cards that has never existed before and it's impossible to ever get that order again because it is so statistically improbable. Yet incomprehensibly intricately ordered balanced interconnected living organisms arose randomly by accident and accidentally evolved via random genetic mutations into all the living things of the earth. 🤣

    • @ninjason57
      @ninjason57 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What law enforces this?

  • @tedclemens4093
    @tedclemens4093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    "Fractals, abstracts, microcosms, etc... understanding that things such as the Spirit, wind and breath are all talking of the same thing. A good friend of mine and I have had similar discussions. "Losing the capacity to correctly perceiving the world." Exactly! But now through Christ we regain that lost vision-and there's so much to explore.
    Great discussion!

  • @shivabreathes
    @shivabreathes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The idea that Adam named all the animals, and that Adam is also the whole of humanity, made me think that this process of mediation between heaven/earth and the process of “naming” must still be a role that humanity (Adam) is playing even now. And it then occurred to me that of course this is still happening! This is basically what science is - discovery and naming (eg naming new species of plants, animals, minerals and other natural phenomena).

    • @Sokofeather
      @Sokofeather ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its harder for us to interpret the world without being confused by our ego post fall

  • @alexpaskalis4248
    @alexpaskalis4248 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    “Thorns and thistles” represents how much energy is now a practice in futility. Glad others have picked up on man being the cosmic mediator.

  • @twalker8020
    @twalker8020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow, absolutely amazing. God created the first Adam with Breath/Spirit/Wind and manifested the begotten second Adam, Christ, with Breath/Spirit/Wind. John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

  • @illuminatingone
    @illuminatingone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me: *Changes video playback speed from 1.75 back to Normal*
    Good video.

  • @thenarrowdoor7
    @thenarrowdoor7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that deep meanings , we can see that also when a child is born , the child is pure , he or she is in GODs image , and when growing up the fall happens from others , it enters his mind . Whats interesting is jesus was born in bethlehem wich in arabic it means a body of flesh and in hebrew its a body of bread , and then he went to nazareth wich in arabic al nasera and it means overcoming or winning and then he went to jerusalem wich means the perfect light " or shalem " and i can see this cities as steps towards enlightenment , we are born in a body of flesh , then we must overcome our own selfishness , in order for us to enter the perfect light . And jesus christ showed us the way he is the way

  • @eastudio-K
    @eastudio-K ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is it better to say Adam "presents" man, rather than "re-presents" man

  • @rcm8049
    @rcm8049 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can also see dust/earth and you can't see breath/wind/spirit

  • @GiniaMarie1
    @GiniaMarie1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank God 🙏 and thank you both for sharing your understanding. 🙏 It's so plain, yet So few see this.
    Buy Matthieu's Book!! The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis: a Commentary

  • @mondopinion3777
    @mondopinion3777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, "naming the animals" not just by whim --even today sounds bear meaning within themselves. Kaa evokes a kind of wickedness, abn or abneh is brotherly in an honest way. Traditionally, Hebrew letter/sounds each have a meaning, and a numerical value.

  • @caroldonaldson5936
    @caroldonaldson5936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Christ is surely the mediator between heaven and earth? Between God and man?

    • @Jim-Mc
      @Jim-Mc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think as the "Last Adam," (according to Paul) Christ succeeded where Adam and Eve failed in that job as mediator. Their failure meant The Son then had to step forward in that capacity.

  • @cademiclips
    @cademiclips 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Isn't Christ the mediator between Heaven and Earth?

    • @nickj5451
      @nickj5451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yes, and good point. It is because Adam was made in God's image and likeness, modeled after the Son of God, that he was made to share in that mediatorship. That's why when Christ is revealed as THE mediator, He is called the New Adam.
      "Adam was the type of him who was to come." (Rom 5:14)
      "Mankind begins with the Adam who became, as Scripture tells us, a living soul; it is fulfilled in the Adam who has become a life-giving spirit." (1 Cor 15:45)
      "[Christ] is the true likeness of the God we cannot see; his is that first birth which precedes every act of creation." (Col 1:15)

    • @thiagonunes4294
      @thiagonunes4294 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nickj5451 great answer

    • @uchechukwuibeji5532
      @uchechukwuibeji5532 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a guess...So if man represents the relationship between heaven and earth...Jesus represents the personal relationship between God and man?

    • @Okie8T9
      @Okie8T9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why he is considered to be the new Adam.

  • @1walkerw
    @1walkerw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Where the hell did all of this knowledge go? Did one man, Martin Luther, really manage to kill it all for generations and billions of people? Like wth.

    • @AzureSymbiote
      @AzureSymbiote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The industrial revolution. People left religion to pursue luxury.

    • @TheWiseElder
      @TheWiseElder 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How did Martin Luther kill what’s in the Bible?

    • @1walkerw
      @1walkerw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheWiseElder Protestantism, which is clearly collapsing

    • @RaulEndymionOfHyperion
      @RaulEndymionOfHyperion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've seen it argued that the triumph of nominalism in the modern age killed it. Also, there's something to do with an excess of occultic practices during the Renaissance and the subsequently shocking debunking of the Hermetic texts which served as its foundation leading intellectuals to focus narrowly on only what can be measured as reality. I'm sure there's a bit more to it, but it's certainly more than one man that did it.

    • @chrisc7265
      @chrisc7265 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheWiseElder he didn't, the knowledge is still there, it's just "in hiding" for now
      but he was a major player in getting where we are today, if you look at the trends of:
      fragmentation
      emancipation
      skepticism, especially towards spiritual authority
      looking down, searching for material authority, scientism

  • @MrGoodwell
    @MrGoodwell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In traditional cosmology, if they had known what space was, would they simply have considered it part of "Earth?"

    • @Sokofeather
      @Sokofeather ปีที่แล้ว

      While it was envisioned as concentric rotating crystal spheres, it was called Cosmos as opposed to Chaos. Kind of an earth versus outside of reality zeitgeist. So i would say yes.

  • @Okie8T9
    @Okie8T9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We are Adam. We ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge and became materialistic. Humanity has been expelled from paradise, and become spiritually dead.

    • @Jacobsladder1993
      @Jacobsladder1993 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But praise be to God that he redeemed us and that we can be everything he called us to be.