This makes me realize that TH-cam is exposing massively a way of knowing that is usually private. Being a witness of a dialogue gives access to another kind of knowledge that wasn't available before, uneless you were part of the dialogue.
I’ve been tryna tease out this same thought for the last couple months. Jonathan introducing me to the symbolic world has really helped me see that in reality nothing is good or bad it’s all about it’s use. Reason I bring this up is that Jonathan showing us this new level of thinking gives us the ability to fight on confidently in each of our own narratives to defeat the evils in our own lives. The internet has been used as a tool to curate and form thought in our society, but like a vaccine there will be people who beat the virus inevitably after being exposed to the tricks. Those who plot to bring about the end of the world also bring about their end as well and a new beginning for the rest of us. Amen brother ✊🏾
@@inturnetavatar I would exercise caution when it comes to nothing being good or bad. Lets not be the devils advocate. If youre paying attention, you will notice, there is in fact, MUCH that is good or bad.
A hungarian guy here. I confirm Jonathan's statement about our legendary self identification. In our chronicles from the middle ages we have a legend about Hunor and Magor, sons of Nimrod, the simbolic ancestors of the huns and the hungarians, who occupied their lands chasing a miraculous stag to the west. Unfortunately, there is a neopagan spirituality rising among our people, that emphasize the figure of Nimrod and his rebellious and proud spirit over the story of Christ
I'm gonna take your word for it in everything you say --> Look at it this way: nobody yet is articulating the story of Christ good enough for it to be more relevant to people than the figure of Nimrod. Seems like we have a job to do, as best we can, when our time comes
@@elektrotehnik94 Perhaps the best way to articulate the story of Christ is to live it, to bring the story into daily life/experience, so that people, rather than considering yet another story, will find themselves in the actual story, or put another way, will find themselves confronted with the activity of the story
The classical Greeks understood the world was repeatedly destroyed and remade. Destruction of the world by water (cataclysm) and destruction of the world by fire (ekpyrosis). I often view Genesis and Revelation as the bookends of our age. I also agree that there is a fractal or scale-invariant nature to this universe with the same patterns manifesting at different scales of observation and so these stories aren't just describing historical and prophetic events on the largest scale of human experience (though I'm a geologist so I can't help but view them in those terms) but also the beginning and end of everything which has a beginning and end.
Sam, see Jonathan's discussion with Fr. Stephen de Young, as well as Fr. Stephen's podcasts and book. He covers much of the same material as Heiser, but does so in a much more thorough manner. I'm not knocking Dr. Heiser's knowledge, but when he starts applying it to theological implications, he tends to go a little sideways.
@@Gregorydrobny Regarding Heiser, could you give some examples of where he goes a little sideways? The only controversial positions I can think of is the idea that the angels to which the nations of Babel were given were good at first, but went bad later.
I’ve been tryna tease out this thought for the last couple months. Jonathan introducing me to the symbolic world has really helped me see that in reality nothing is good or bad it’s all about it’s use. Reason I bring this up is that Jonathan showing us this new level of thinking gives us the ability to fight on confidently in each of our own narratives to defeat the evils in our own lives. The internet has been used as a tool to curate and form thought in our society, but like a vaccine there will be people who beat the virus inevitably after being exposed to the tricks. Those who plot to bring about the end of the world also bring about their end as well and a new beginning for the rest of us. Amen brother ✊🏾
@@Baa975 I never said they will, I said that those that plot to also plan their own ending. You’re also viewing too literal, myth doesn’t make what the story is trying to say false. The “Myth” is simply describing a pattern in reality, which all good stories do. All stories are pulling from reality so that means whatever the story is saying is true on some level.
Very interesting discussion on syncretism! I’ve wondered a lot over the years about how every civilization seems to have threads of truth that echo the Judeo-Christian ideas / stories. I think it’s bc God has manifested himself to all peoples in one way or another over time, it usually just becomes lost or perverted. Always thought it was interesting that ancient cultures in Mesoamerica like the Aztecs committed human sacrifice. Why were they doing that?
probably because the archetypes and "principalities in higher places" are as real as can be, the aztec are a good example of a people under the "spell" of a dark principality, if you analyse the conquest of America it has HUGE symbolic significance: a trinity of ships under the guide of "Christopher"("like-Christ") "traveling on water" to get to this new land, it was a "cosmic battle" that had to happen. (if this sounds too politically incorrect, well I dont know what to tell you, it is what it is...) and a similar situation happened to the ancient israelites according to the old testament they were originally pagan people from canaan/phoenicia giving cult to Ba'al, Abraham was an Assyrian gentile (from Ur specifically) he was commanded to go into Canaan and from theses people he founded what we know as the ancient hebrews/israelites Genesis 11. 27 Now these are the generations of Terah. Terah begat Abraham, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees Genesis 11. 31 And Terah took Abraham his son, and Lot the son of Haran, his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abraham’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan that's why the story of the flood and Noah is basically the same as the Sumerian poem of Gilgamesh
@@danielpk6725 interesting. I am too finding out more and can see the infiltration, inversion and corruption of society by 'dark principalities' who engage in human sacrifice etc. . Jekyl Island known as an ancient 'altar of blood,' where the Fed Reserve System was inked ... being another location.
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJVS [19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Interesting. Would appreciate your thoughts on the impact of social engineering of society on these Universal Patterns. If we could see this (social engineering) clearly will it help us work towards a better humanity?
shia is like a bug you get in the car. you try to roll the windows down to get him out but he always seems to come right back. Were lucky that he has graced Catholicism with his presence for this month...
Are you saying that jews didn't know how to interpret throwing scription in the prophets who interpreted the Torah are they wrong they don't interpret scripture the way you do the Jews were God's people and I know the Orthodox Church thinks that they replaced them but you're wrong
the entirety of the bible is mythological and so is the quran dhammapada ramayana , beucase all mythologies are LITERAL history in every aspect and every history is literal mythology in every aspect. every last bit of all of it being literally true and literall happend in all forms and degrees.
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJVS [19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
This makes me realize that TH-cam is exposing massively a way of knowing that is usually private. Being a witness of a dialogue gives access to another kind of knowledge that wasn't available before, uneless you were part of the dialogue.
I’ve been tryna tease out this same thought for the last couple months. Jonathan introducing me to the symbolic world has really helped me see that in reality nothing is good or bad it’s all about it’s use. Reason I bring this up is that Jonathan showing us this new level of thinking gives us the ability to fight on confidently in each of our own narratives to defeat the evils in our own lives. The internet has been used as a tool to curate and form thought in our society, but like a vaccine there will be people who beat the virus inevitably after being exposed to the tricks. Those who plot to bring about the end of the world also bring about their end as well and a new beginning for the rest of us. Amen brother ✊🏾
@@inturnetavatar I would exercise caution when it comes to nothing being good or bad. Lets not be the devils advocate. If youre paying attention, you will notice, there is in fact, MUCH that is good or bad.
A hungarian guy here.
I confirm Jonathan's statement about our legendary self identification. In our chronicles from the middle ages we have a legend about Hunor and Magor, sons of Nimrod, the simbolic ancestors of the huns and the hungarians, who occupied their lands chasing a miraculous stag to the west.
Unfortunately, there is a neopagan spirituality rising among our people, that emphasize the figure of Nimrod and his rebellious and proud spirit over the story of Christ
I'm gonna take your word for it in everything you say -->
Look at it this way: nobody yet is articulating the story of Christ good enough for it to be more relevant to people than the figure of Nimrod.
Seems like we have a job to do, as best we can, when our time comes
@@elektrotehnik94 Perhaps the best way to articulate the story of Christ is to live it, to bring the story into daily life/experience, so that people, rather than considering yet another story, will find themselves in the actual story, or put another way, will find themselves confronted with the activity of the story
The classical Greeks understood the world was repeatedly destroyed and remade. Destruction of the world by water (cataclysm) and destruction of the world by fire (ekpyrosis). I often view Genesis and Revelation as the bookends of our age.
I also agree that there is a fractal or scale-invariant nature to this universe with the same patterns manifesting at different scales of observation and so these stories aren't just describing historical and prophetic events on the largest scale of human experience (though I'm a geologist so I can't help but view them in those terms) but also the beginning and end of everything which has a beginning and end.
Jonathan, I would love to hear a conversation between you and Dr. Michael Heiser!
yes!
Heiser was recently diagnosed with cancer so idk
Sam, see Jonathan's discussion with Fr. Stephen de Young, as well as Fr. Stephen's podcasts and book. He covers much of the same material as Heiser, but does so in a much more thorough manner.
I'm not knocking Dr. Heiser's knowledge, but when he starts applying it to theological implications, he tends to go a little sideways.
I second that! He is so interesting
@@Gregorydrobny Regarding Heiser, could you give some examples of where he goes a little sideways? The only controversial positions I can think of is the idea that the angels to which the nations of Babel were given were good at first, but went bad later.
I’ve been tryna tease out this thought for the last couple months. Jonathan introducing me to the symbolic world has really helped me see that in reality nothing is good or bad it’s all about it’s use. Reason I bring this up is that Jonathan showing us this new level of thinking gives us the ability to fight on confidently in each of our own narratives to defeat the evils in our own lives. The internet has been used as a tool to curate and form thought in our society, but like a vaccine there will be people who beat the virus inevitably after being exposed to the tricks. Those who plot to bring about the end of the world also bring about their end as well and a new beginning for the rest of us. Amen brother ✊🏾
If Revelation is myth, how can these people bring about the end of the world? If there is nothing to go by, and revel isn't real, what happens now?
@@Baa975 I never said they will, I said that those that plot to also plan their own ending. You’re also viewing too literal, myth doesn’t make what the story is trying to say false. The “Myth” is simply describing a pattern in reality, which all good stories do. All stories are pulling from reality so that means whatever the story is saying is true on some level.
Very interesting discussion on syncretism! I’ve wondered a lot over the years about how every civilization seems to have threads of truth that echo the Judeo-Christian ideas / stories. I think it’s bc God has manifested himself to all peoples in one way or another over time, it usually just becomes lost or perverted. Always thought it was interesting that ancient cultures in Mesoamerica like the Aztecs committed human sacrifice. Why were they doing that?
probably because the archetypes and "principalities in higher places" are as real as can be, the aztec are a good example of a people under the "spell" of a dark principality, if you analyse the conquest of America it has HUGE symbolic significance: a trinity of ships under the guide of "Christopher"("like-Christ") "traveling on water" to get to this new land, it was a "cosmic battle" that had to happen. (if this sounds too politically incorrect, well I dont know what to tell you, it is what it is...)
and a similar situation happened to the ancient israelites according to the old testament they were originally pagan people from canaan/phoenicia giving cult to Ba'al, Abraham was an Assyrian gentile (from Ur specifically) he was commanded to go into Canaan and from theses people he founded what we know as the ancient hebrews/israelites
Genesis 11. 27 Now these are the generations of Terah. Terah begat Abraham, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees
Genesis 11. 31 And Terah took Abraham his son, and Lot the son of Haran, his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abraham’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan
that's why the story of the flood and Noah is basically the same as the Sumerian poem of Gilgamesh
@@danielpk6725 wow that was a lot of great information! Thank You!
@@danielpk6725 interesting. I am too finding out more and can see the infiltration, inversion and corruption of society by 'dark principalities' who engage in human sacrifice etc. . Jekyl Island known as an ancient 'altar of blood,' where the Fed Reserve System was inked ... being another location.
Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron.
Thank you for your ministry. God bless you brother
Small quibble with the title: "prophesy" is the verb, "prophecy" is the noun. Keep up the fantastic work, Jonathan!
I see you😀
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJVS
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Wow...
Where's the thumbnail artwork from?
what document/profecy is he refering to that mentions noah and the flood?
I think he may be talking about the Sibylline Oracles? Though I’m not sure.
for noah and the flood in general, sibylline oracles book 1, verses 147-332. the part where noah opens the ark window specifically are verses 271-285.
Interesting. Would appreciate your thoughts on the impact of social engineering of society on these Universal Patterns. If we could see this (social engineering) clearly will it help us work towards a better humanity?
Blessed
Syncretism is a feature, not a bug of Religiosity.
When I opened this video just now, it had 666 likes. I quickly tapped the thumbs up icon to get it to 667. You’re welcome.
shia is like a bug you get in the car. you try to roll the windows down to get him out but he always seems to come right back. Were lucky that he has graced Catholicism with his presence for this month...
Knowing the truth + seeing the patterns = prophecy
I don't think any part of the bible is historically accurate so I've never been disappointed when we find out that it isn't historical.
Are you saying that jews didn't know how to interpret throwing scription in the prophets who interpreted the Torah are they wrong they don't interpret scripture the way you do the Jews were God's people and I know the Orthodox Church thinks that they replaced them but you're wrong
Genesis only goes back so far. It's an account of what they believed was creation. Not facts.
Rev certainly looks to be playign out now so does that mean the baddies are manipulating it?
Any ideas?
the entirety of the bible is mythological and so is the quran dhammapada ramayana , beucase all mythologies are LITERAL history in every aspect and every history is literal mythology in every aspect. every last bit of all of it being literally true and literall happend in all forms and degrees.
Lmao
2 Peter 1:19-21 KJVS
[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.