Yeahhhhh but he's at least much more satisfied with himself than he was before the ending. Which kind of ruins the ending of his own episode, because it takes away all the tragedy
@@Grendel2403 I don't think we know his emotional state at that point, but I grant you that perhaps he feels like he's doing something useful in the end instead of just being there for eternity.
@@Grendel2403 I like to think it’s more of a redemption arc. He grew to accept that his powers have limits. It’s a stretch, but I like to think this way.
Actually now we know he's plotting his escape and is being set up for something. Which sucks. I really think his ending in ep 4 should've been the last time we see that version. A haunting cautionary self contained tale that sticks with you. Instead they're gonna milk it.
@@badabing9402 What suggests he learned that? He used his absurd power level to stop a "multiversal threat". As far as he's concerned he's in the running for single most powerful entity ever. The finale also weirdly justifies the death of his universe, since Ultron would have somehow destroyed infinity otherwise.
Originally I was thinking that it should have been Keith David as the watcher, however towards the end I definitely felt like Jeffery Wright was perfectly cast for the role
Should have brought back Phil Lamarr from Ultimate Alliance to bring the show and games full circle since it seems they wanna do the Ultimate Alliance anyways.
I think that the reason why Chris Hemsworth did a good job as Thor is largely due to the fact that when playing Thor, he put on the biggest act both in action and voice whereas the rest of the cast were acting out more down-to-earth (literally) characters.
As expected, I completed disagreed with Marcus about what were the best and worst episodes. My favorites were the frat boy Thor and Zombies. My least favorite was the Doctor Strange "what if he lost his heart". Who the fuck ever wondered that??? The episode was way too drawn out and got boring quickly. We spend half of it watching him absorb monsters from a fucking book. Party Thor was funny, and we got a badass fight b/w Thor and Captain Marvel. Zombie Avengers was a really fascinating concept, and the story itself was super engrossing.
@@nahor88 lol and who tf wondered what if thor just wanted to party in Vegas also the zombies episode was ruined by every single character having a shitty oneliner every 10 seconds after all their friends and families have been basically killed and turned to soulless brutal eating machines i mean spiderman was depressed in no way home from just tony dying yet when his friends aunt and Tony along with half the heroes die hes still basically the same and maybe even happier
@@jp3813 why not pick 100 captain marvels, a single one almost defeated Ultron, and why not fight alongside the team? he can fight, we saw him fight against vision in the episode before this one, and why did he pick gamora and not tony? Wouldn't picking both be more effective?, honestly this show makes no goddamm sense, from episode 2 alone there's like 3 plotholes
@@daoyang223 you know what bothers me about this? In infinity war, vision would’ve done that same thing to thanos. Leading to endgame never happening lol
@@codered1132 more he could have, last I checked (though might be wrong) Vision has morals stopping him from doing surgery on the big stone wielding grape
Marvel tried to give all the episodes the same run time and it really hurted the show. Like, there's the Dr. Strange, the Murder Mystery and the Ultron episodes which are perfectly paced, then there's the zombie, the finale and the Star Lord T'Challa ones that are way too rushed, and the Captain Carter and the Killmonger ones that drag a lot
I rather liked "What If..?" My only minor gripes 1), the pacing was very fast and I wish episodes were a tad longer, especially the zombies one, and 2) by the end of it, it felt like we skipped an episode with Thanos Gamora and Sekkar Iron Man.
The script wasn’t doing him any favors. Worse, it’s been a long time since he played that Bucky. He was better as post-Winter Soldier Bucky in the Zombies episode.
Huh, guess I didn’t notice it with him. I did with like Cumberbatch, Okoye (I can’t remember her actresses’s name sorry I know I suck), Peter Parker especially, also tbh I liked the actress who played captain marvel in this series more than I ever did Brie Larson, just much more vibrant and interesting in What If
That's because he has experience in voice acting. He was the most recent Grinch and he was the dragon in LOTR. He's also done some narration for documentaries.
What If pretty much delivers what the title says. A solid imagination of alternative outcomes. I enjoyed the concept and got some good laughs out of a few episodes. There's definitly room for a lot more of this, especially for their villians. Seeing Ultron having a second chance within the MCU and being REALLY powerful was kinda cool.
I'm still sad they wasted James Spader like that. Dude probably has the most epic villian voice in all of Hollywood and it was wasted. I hope they ignore that and just bring him back for something else.
I wouldn't say it was a solid imagination, there were some pretty questionable decisions made and at least one glaring plot hole an episode... But I guess they were a vaguely entertaining way to fill half an hour a week... Definitely the mcu's weakest entry in my book. (and yes that includes thor 2)
I half expected him to do a pair of quickies with this and Star Wars visions since they’re both anthology series and also I just rly wonder what he thinks of a Star Wars anime, it sounds like something he’d be rly into
Star Wars Visions is so so fkin cool and everyone needs to watch it immediately so Disney commisions some full series from those episodes. It completely renewed my excitement for Star Wars media.
This show was exactly what I thought it was going to be and what all the promotional material showed us it would be. A fun animated side project that we weren't expecting to get. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@oxxy6678 You're talking about animation. The other guy meant art direction/art design. This show has the ugliest faces I've seen in animation. And that's saying a lot.
@@carinadominguez22 your extrapolating a lot from his response which was "still not better than anime". He never even said specifically art design. And even if he was, the creativity and art design are better than like 90% of most anime, almost all of it (except for that super notable 10%) is like washed up iseki trash. I'll give you that though, the faces were fucking distracting.
about your assessment on Evil Doctor Strange: it wasn't a lust for power, just a person unable to let go, unable to move from grief. (hence why it's a cool story for that character, we have a point of reference for what makes our doctor stranger special- he let go of what he lost, in both universes he lost what he cherished most, he accepted the lost and moved on, and not doing so would've spelled disaster for him and everyone around him)
I think it's interesting how the Party Thor episode reception is so evenly split. Like you either loved it or you didn't for valid reasons. I think it was my personal favorite, but that may be because it made one of my least favorite MCU movies into something stupid and fun. Didn't really take any of it seriously, it just felt like a nice breather before the conclusion that we got; which I agree, we didn't need to have all of these stories connect in some way. I would have just preferred a super high-concept finale rather than a crossover.
I didn't hate the episode, it just feels like we are supposed to forget that Thor wasn't like that in the first two movies. They weren't bad movies, they are just not Ragnarok
@@joshuabonesteel2303 The point is the What If? is that without the lessons Thor learned throughout his childhood thanks to Loki’s tricks, he never fully matured and he still acts a like teenager
@@IcyDiamond you mean to tell me that because of Loki, we got the Thor that was serious, arrogant and itching for a fight with the frost giants? I guess so but this Thor just feels like Ragnarok Thor. It really feels like we are supposed to forget the first two movies are a thing.
Weirdly enough didn’t kilmonger lose in the end. Because the throne room was destroyed and there were a bunch of helicopters in wakanda when the watcher picked him up
I thought Benedict Cumberbatch nailed his performance in episode four. The ending scene where his girlfriend (forgot her name) died in his arms he was acting his heart out.
And he's one of the few, if not the only one, with voice acting experience (The Hobbit, Dormamu, etc.). So yeah, no wonder his performance was the best!
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I feel like voice acting requires a little bit more exaggeration in inflection between emotional states to keep with the capabilities of animation, so I don't know if recording the actors on set would've helped. It's just a whole different kind of acting that most of the cast haven't done before.
I just really saw this as an introduction into the multiverse and what it means. Kinda like how Loki explains the multiverse, this show gives us a glimpse of what can/will happen moving forward
And even Ultron’s invasion on the multiverse could be what happens in the Multiversal War where powerful beings from each universe become aware of each other and try to destroy the other to prove they are the most powerful.
No, it wasn't. Sacred Timeline Thanos is the best strategist in the universe and was fare more tactical and manipulative than Ultron. The director Bryan Andrews confirmed that the alternate universe Thanos was far weaker and infinitely less badass than the Sacred Timeline Thanos.
What I find most disappointing about this is that even when they're doing a literal "What if?" anthology series that has no bearing on the canon or universe at large they still feel the need to pull their punches on the dark timelines. Like, guys, you can do literally anything and it has no long term effect on MCU canon, just let Ultron eat the universe because that would be a lot more interesting to watch. It feels like they're playing it safe in a game with no stakes.
If Ultron had won overall then he would have destroyed the entire MULTIVERSE literally everything! Boom, everything is gone- as was his intent for peace.
Exactly, that's been the main problem with Marvel's recent animated shows and its a problem with this one. I still feel like they're playing it too safe.
Evil Dr. Strange would’ve been fine appearing in the finale if he was the twist villain instead of Killmonger. Maybe it could’ve been both of them even, idk, but as tragic a character as he is, he’s just a little too fucked up to suddenly be believable as part of a hero team.
Idk I honestly never found it off, cause it's not like he changed sides, he was driven mad for power but only to accomplish a single goal. Once that goal was fullfilled and didn't pan out right, what then. It's like how Thanos just retires after his job is finished, they're not "Bad Guys", they are guys doing a bad thing.
Eh, it didn’t come off to me as that. He was never really in it for the power, he just wanted the love of his life back. He brought her back, but he saw how much harm it brought, it literally ended his universe. And he recognized that he caused it, and he even asked to be punished instead of the universe. So in the end, he’s still a hero, and he might even be the one who wants to save the multiverse most considering he saw the consequences of destroying a universe.
I agree. I could see Strange being resentful of his actions, but the demonic entity he's become wouldn't. I was honestly expecting this Strange to take the opportunity to escape and then he would appear in No Way Home.
On the topic of animation: I REALLY liked how they incorporated 2d animation in the Doctor Strange episode. Definitely helped give the otherworldly beings an "otherworldly" feeling to them.
3:35 It's because Dr. Strange was carrying hard, you literally see him reverse, shrink, and eat a galaxy-sized explosion. In his story, he became strong enough to become aware of the Watcher, and Ultron did the same thing. That suggests that they're, at the very least, in the same tier of power,,,,, or so I'm led to believe
I personally loved the Tchalla becoming Star-Lord episode. I've heard many people say it's among their least favorite. It subverted my expectations in really fun ways and I enjoyed it a lot.
@@hsing-yihuang3335 I get that Ultron couldn't physically hurt the guardians, but the entire time I was wondering why he wasn't just destroying the universe that they were in.
this show is such a mixed bag. some episodes were incredibly impressive animation wise and has some of the best stories in the mcu. but other episodes honestly gave me second hand embarrassment both animation and story wise.
When asked how Ultron is able to use the Gems outside his universe, I remember the explanation from the writer being that because he’s from the Gems’ universe, they work. Which they explain is why Loki wasn’t able to use the Space Gem because it wasn’t his Space Gem. So how was Killmonger able to use Ultron’s Gems and Widow able to use Loki’s Mind Gem?
My headcanon is that the gems receive their power from their universe and since the tva pruned their universe they're useless and also the tva exist in a space outside of the universe like the quantum realm where the laws of physics are different so they wouldn't work their regardless
Both Killmonger and Widow used the stone's power through an object originating from the stone's original world. I never thought about that before but that could easily be a roundabout way of getting past that restriction. Same thing should work in reverse, if the stones can only be destroyed by something from their home universe, it shouldn't matter who uses said object, as long as that object they are using is from the right universe.
In the comics, Infinity stones just don’t work outside of their own universe, which is a simpler explanation in my book, but then they couldn’t have OP Ultron…
What I didn’t like about this show is how characters would get buffed or nerfed at random. Ultron with Mind Stone is able to split Thanos in half but if he could do that then why didn’t he back in Infinity War?
Because vision and ultron have very different mind sets Ultron would try to kill everyone Vision is much more laid back, In a way Vision is more human thinking Vision is a guy who’d try to mercy/peace option Also in infinity war he was injured by the alien spear thing which ultron vision didn’t have to worry about Another thing is Vision was busy focusing on the idea of Wanda destroying his mind stone meaning he wouldn’t realize the mind stone could do that because he wasn’t looking for options while Wanda was blasting his forehead Just play attention to the scenes and context and you’d probably also go “oh yea he probably wouldn’t go “hey Wanda wait I think I could’ve just lasered thanos…” And Wanda would’ve went “should’ve thought of that before 🙄” “
@@okastbloart8395 he actually seemed to be just fine when he joined the fight and began destroying the evil aliens attacking. I don't think he planned to talk it out with Thanos, because he's not an idiot, Thanos clearly was not willing to be reasoned with. So yes, What If does make it look like Vision could have easily killed Thanos and opens a massive plothole for Vision not thinking of something I thought of during the movie. I then went "Oh yeah Thanos has all the other stones so he'd destroy vision" But apparently you just need the mindstone
@@JustBearly Corvus Glaive’s staff had literally stop Vision from using his powers which is why he barely did anything through the rest of the movie and in the show Ultron who is in possession of Vision’s body is fully powered and in the possession of the Mind Stone oneshots Thanos with 5 infinity Stones
as a creative person, i really enjoyed the clear fun the creators were having. it felt freeing compared to the standardized, formulaic mcu films, things could be weird and unexpected and, importantly, new.
The quality of voice acting is one of the reason why the Evil Strange ep is a stand out. Benedict is clearly better at doing voice acting than some of his colleagues cause he has done quite a lot before.
If there's anything to take away from the show, is that the cleanly animated fight scenes really highlight how garbage the shaky incomprehensible fights in MCU live action have been.
The fight with Thanos on Titan in Infinity War was much better than a lot of other MCU live action fights because it was basically all CG animation. Like, Spiderman jumping around through the fields with weird gravity, Thanos and Iron Man coming to blows, all the visual effects nonsense with Dr. Strange casting different spells, and the camera focused on it all without the constant up-close shakiness of more 'realistic' MCU fights like Cap VS Bucky.
This is what I love about animation, you have so much freedom to do shit like this. Like in the Strange episode or the Thor vs Cap. Marvel fights, non of that would've looked that cool in live action.
My favorite bit in the entire anthology never gets touched on (that I've seen). It's that they gave Thanos an actual redemption arc in the T'Challa-as-StarLord episode. And his mind is changed by a frank exchange of ideas. It was a brilliant move and I loved it!
I haven’t watched What If, but I find it interesting that a lot of what is said here aligns with what I thought about Star Wars Visions. Anthologies that are a bit more experimental than their franchises with a handful of bad celebrity performances and a mix of good and bad episodes.
Visions probably even more so since almost every episode is done by a different company, and therefore, none of them have the same take on Star Wars as the other. While What If is all done by the same people & lead to a finale that connected all previous episodes, it leaves the door open for future What Ifs they might be interested in doing.
Marcus do Star Wars visions! It’s basically well made Star Wars fan fic anime Edit: can y’all do me a favor and report the bots under this comment ok thanks
Hayley Atwell has done voice acting before and I think it shows, she was in a few Doctor Who audios in the early 2000s and was pretty good in them so I think she stood out in this series
3:40 You may have missed the part where a GODLIKE Doctor Strange prevented Ultron from wiping out the galaxy. The major inconsistency was Ultron using the infinity stones outside their original universe. But we can infer they ignored that rule from the comics because part of "Supreme Strange" powers also come from an infinity stone.
And really, like you said, the infinity stone thing is just from the comics. It's not really an inconsistency for this series yet because all we know about their limitations in the MCU is that they don't work at the TVA, which is it's own thing.
@@BlueMega that means the mcu is not connected to the comics like the other marvel films, wich also means it can't be connected to the raimi/webb movies because they're connected to the comics, I wonder how are they gonna fix that in no way home
I feel like the "Supreme Strange" didnt really get an redemption arc because he's still doomed to be alone in his little universe for all eternity, acting as a jailer for the Armin Zola and Killmonger
@@HaHa-cj9yd I mean, at the end of his own episode, he seems genuinely remorseful and is begging The Watcher not to punish Christine (and the rest of his universe) for his action. The episode ends with him sobbing in his own tiny dimension At the end of the series, he goes right back to his tiny dimension, doomed to spend eternity alone...more or else. I think he has accepted his fate and he received atonement. That doesnt necessarily equate to redemption, imo
@@jak1165 at the end of his episode he realized what he did was wrong and got his universe destroyed. He then goes on to basically carry the guardians of the multiverse to beat ultron and save the multiverse thus redeeming himself. Him going back to his pocket demension just means he doesn't get a happy ending. It doesn't mean he didn't redeem himself.
I feel like What If ended up feeling like the other Marvel shows so far: Some really good stuf, some mediocre stuff, feels like it could have been much better with a little more focus.
@@IcyDiamond It just creeped me out. Ultron basically can use all the infinity stones to their maximum power and now he knows about the multiverse. It kinda felt like a fourth wall break too.
The T'Challa episode killed it for me. Yondu did about 20 years of character development in about 20 seconds. Thanos abandoned (though spoke about) his genocide plan despite how deeply ingrained it is in his character and basically the whole episode was just character after character having completely different personalities and motivations. Yes it's a different timeline, but it's supposed to be change one thing not change every single character... Beyond jarring. Really enjoyed the Dr Strange one and the Killmonger one too (though the character changes at the end of that were bonkers too)... The Strange one was probably the most coherent narrative because it just focused on one person and one thing, you can believe it and see the progression in a sensible fashion because it's purposefully narrow. The Killmonger one had a good set up too (ignoring how time works because Iron Man was a long time before and he would have been a child) because it showed touched on immature Tony being directed by someone, I think it ended in a silly place but the set up was pretty sweet. The Ultron episode again worked because it was basically he got his body and then won, again it's one thing, no one else changed radically or had their motivations ignored (one shotting Thanos was stupid though). All in I probably could have done without it TBH and will probably forget it exists until season 2
I think my biggest gripe is how hard this show tries to stay to the original movies. While I do understand that they are doing the “multiverse” stuff and are planning to impliment it in a way that it opens up the idea of multiple different stories for familiar characters, it feels kinda forced to stay within a creative line of characters having to look and talk a certain way. It’s kinda why I love the animated DC movies because they just do it, they’re willing to change how a character looks,talks, and what they believe in without having to explain to me that it is different from the originals. I just can’t wait for marvel to start expanding on their animation like DC has.
I'm a sucker for character interactions, so I really enjoyed What If for providing weird scenarios which wouldn't necessarily work in the mainline MCU. It's a lot like star wars visions in that if you just turn your lore/canon brain off and have fun with it, it's really enjoyable.
I honestly hope Star Wars does keep some of Visions' ideas for stuff outside of Visuons. I'd like to see some crazy stuff with those extendable lightsabers from the Ninth Jedi episode.
you must have missed the fact Strange put shields on everyone. They even say in the episode Ultron can destroy galaxies & strange’s magic was the only thing keeping everyone alove
That still doesn't explain how the hell Captain Carter and Natasha were staggering Ultron with basic shield bashes. Ultron jobbed harder during that fight than any other MCU character ever did combined. Not to mention the rest of the plot holes.
@@darky1595 That both villains are randomly nerfed at times would be my guess. All-powerful beings shouldn’t be able to be stunned by people who are practically pests/bugs to them at best lol
It’s such a freaking relief to listen to someone not drooling over this show just because it’s made by marvel and we’re supposed to like it. It was fine at best. It had problems, it had good moments. But I swear if I see another TikTok post worshipping it imma just…
I think some of the What If concepts should’ve been more bizarre and different. Some like Captain Carter or Party Thor aren’t bad in my opinion, but they weren’t different enough for me to be weirded out as much as I would’ve liked. But I really enjoyed the show overall.
The Captain Carter Ultron and Strange episode were my favorite ones. They're all very simple changes that make the turnout especially interesting. If they kept that trend going, instead of the party Thor or Killmonger episodes. Make Thor NEED a brother, like since Loki is gone he never becomes humble and ends up attempting to conquer Midgard for Odin. Evil Thor? Dope.
Spoilers! The episode where Hank Pym kills the avengers sent chills down my spine because it proves how powerful he can be if he was pushed to evil intent.
I’m glad such a series exists honestly, although not the best, that’s not to say you should diminish the idea of an anthology series based on what if scenarios.
I’m surprised Cumberbatch missed his voice acting here, as he does have experience as Smaug and Sauron in the Hobbit trilogy and performed excellently there (in my opinion)
For those who were confused on why Gamora just shows up in the finale without any background. There is a reason for this. COVID screwed up the schedule for the show and the episode where Gamora kills Thanos wasn’t ready for release in time. That’s also why the season only has 9 episodes. But don’t worry, they are planning on doing a second season and including the episode in season 2.
Ultron killing Thanos actually does make some sense since Thanos was caught off guard and this Ultron doesn't mess around and make jokes like other Villains...
Why would thanos fight against Ultron unarmored and without his sword thingy, he knows he killed the avengers who he also knows are super strong, also his skin is extremely resistant so a single *sweeep* wouldn't have done shit, even from a infinity stone, and where is the magician squid and the blue haired girl and his entire fucking army, the whole scenario makes no sense
@@diegob798 His latest Intel would simply be about the Avengers, he had no idea about Ultron. He probably just thought that the Avengers would be easy to defeat but he was definitely mistaken. While Thanos's Skin is tough it's no match against The Mind Stone (which is stated to have Infinite Power).
Something I was quite impressed by was the fight choreography, particularly Strange’s fights scenes. I hope they stay that creative with his powers in live action
agreed 100%. many of the concepts were not developed enough and instead turned into “what if character a replaced character b and then everything else stayed exactly the same”. very disappointing overall
Agreed. Personally, I think What If? wasn’t crazy ENOUGH. It felt super safe and not comfortable exploring more extreme territory. But that’s just my opinion.
@@brody02 You hit the point exactly, everyone I've talked to about this show hated the constant character swap nonsense instead of the great "what ifs" they could've came up with.
I wasn't expecting the world from this show, and I enjoyed my time from week to week. I actually kinda enjoyed bringing everyone together, I'm a suckers for bad and good guys team ups. I felt like a mark, but I had a lot of fun.
Considering the time limit on a lot of them and some narrative requirements I can see why they made the sacrifices they did at points. But I still looked forward to it as the highlight of my week and loved every episode.
I imagine the three guys with the Watcher’s bobble head and outfit from the Stan Lee cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 are simply Uatu’s acolytes, and whenever something interesting happens in their universe they use some kind of magic signal flare to say “Hey big guy, check this out!”
As a marvel fan this is everything i ever eanted and it gave me even more then i was expecting. I just love the new direction of the marvel series. And i really enjoyed watching these every wensday with my dad 😀
I personally loved the finale and thought it was very cool how they were tied together, it was just so fun to watch. Though I definitely agree the Doctor Strange episode’s ending is ruined somewhat by it.
Me personally, my favorite episode was "What if Tachala became Star-Lord?". I felt like it had a lot of cool creativity in it, and it was very fun and entertaining to see how much different it was to have Tachala be Star-Lord vs Peter Quill.
Am I the only one that loves Party Thor? I really liked how despite being an immature and irresponsible idiot jock, they still showed him as friendly, sweet and cutely awkward.
My favorite episode was the zombie episode because not only did it have Spider-Man in that, but we also got to see him in his Disneyland suit which I like and I would love to see it brought to life in the live-action MCU. I also liked how they used Hudson Thames to voice him since Tom Holland was under a Sony contract and they had to get someone else to do, it would've been nice to have Holland but I think Thames is a good voice actor for the webhead in this series
Couldn’t disagree more about the finale.. I absolutely LOVED how the watcher tailored every single detail. We watched these specifically stories for a reason. The finale to me gave purpose to the time I spent watching the other 8 episodes
1:36 Honestly, this is one of my criticisms of the MCU in general. A lot of it honestly feels like it’s just the actors playing themselves in Marvel cosplay and goofing around with each other. It feels like most of the movies are just parodies of themselves, and it makes them hard to take seriously.
I think you might be missing the point. The whole reason What if? exists is to bring together the multiverse. Showing you in the finale, how all the different universes connect and impact each other, and Strange Supreme has a redemption arc, was part of the original direction, I think. Seeing just an anthology series, set in the Marvel Universe, would be cool, just like Love, Death, and Robots, but the point of this What if? series was to raise questions and anticipation for Marvel's future projects, like No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness. Marvel seems to like to tie everything together, in a neat little bowtie these days, and I'm all for it! Great video as always!
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor damn really? I mean u r entitled to ur own beliefs, but i had such a good time with what if. I wasnt eagerly waiting for a new episode each week because it an anthology, and this is as bold as disney will get for marvel and i loved every second of them exploring fun concepts. This is a lot more fun than black widow or any of the other shows.
Glad that you liked it. For me, its easily the worst MCU Phase 4 project and is incredibly mediocre (not to mention pretty disrespectful to a lot of beloved MCU characters in my opinion).
A thing that bugged me about this series is that it was clearly not "What If...?", it was just "Multiverse: The Series" In many episodes there wasn't a specific event that changed everything (hence the name of the show, and the comics), it was just an ambiguous alternate universe. That applies to Dr. Strange Supreme, Zombies, Killmonger vs. Stark, Hank Pym kills the Avengers, etc. Also English isn't my first language, it's spanish. I watched some of the episodes dubbed AND in their original audio, and dubbed was way better, because it used professional voice actors, obviously
I really like the ending to Strange's arc. Doomed his universe so in reparations for that he'll have to stand watch, alone over two psychos in a bubble.
This is just a theory but I feel like they're going to use evil Dr Strange again and even though he redeemed himself I think he's going to continue to do horrible things.
The doctor strange episode was by far the best one, second best was the first ultron episode it literally gave me goosebumps when he got comic consciousness
Glad you touched on the retcon of the Dr Strange episode ending. It’s clear this was aimed more at kids, sucked that it undercut the darkest ending in the show.
Very solid first season. Only episodes that didn't really click with me were three and six (murder mystery & killmonger ep), otherwise they were all either good or great. Very much looking forward to the second season.
I get your view point on the finale, but the thing is, this is actually canon. So if they didn't resolve it, ultron could literally go and destroy all the universes including our main mcu one. So i guess they needed to solve it, or they should have gone further with it in live action
In the zombie episode, why did Thanos go to Wakanda? None of the heroes were there and the 2 infinity stones were with zombie Dr Strange and Vision, who were both in the northeast US. His becoming a zombie waiting for them to arrive made no sense, niether stone was there or was on its way there. Just kinda felt like a slapped on ending for a shock twist that doesn’t work if you think about it.
The Marge Simpson: “I think they’re neat” meme sums up this show pretty well.
Agreed
Yeah I wasn’t expecting anything so I ended up getting surprised a little
Very true!
Pretty much
Is noone going too acknowledge the sex bot?
Well...Strange's ending wasn't exactly "happy", he's still confined to a pocket universe.
Yeahhhhh but he's at least much more satisfied with himself than he was before the ending. Which kind of ruins the ending of his own episode, because it takes away all the tragedy
@@Grendel2403 I don't think we know his emotional state at that point, but I grant you that perhaps he feels like he's doing something useful in the end instead of just being there for eternity.
@@Grendel2403 I like to think it’s more of a redemption arc. He grew to accept that his powers have limits. It’s a stretch, but I like to think this way.
Actually now we know he's plotting his escape and is being set up for something.
Which sucks. I really think his ending in ep 4 should've been the last time we see that version.
A haunting cautionary self contained tale that sticks with you.
Instead they're gonna milk it.
@@badabing9402 What suggests he learned that? He used his absurd power level to stop a "multiversal threat". As far as he's concerned he's in the running for single most powerful entity ever. The finale also weirdly justifies the death of his universe, since Ultron would have somehow destroyed infinity otherwise.
Honestly, casting Jeffery Wright as the Watcher was a genius move.
Agreed
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Originally I was thinking that it should have been Keith David as the watcher, however towards the end I definitely felt like Jeffery Wright was perfectly cast for the role
Agreed
Should have brought back Phil Lamarr from Ultimate Alliance to bring the show and games full circle since it seems they wanna do the Ultimate Alliance anyways.
I think that the reason why Chris Hemsworth did a good job as Thor is largely due to the fact that when playing Thor, he put on the biggest act both in action and voice whereas the rest of the cast were acting out more down-to-earth (literally) characters.
As expected, I completed disagreed with Marcus about what were the best and worst episodes. My favorites were the frat boy Thor and Zombies. My least favorite was the Doctor Strange "what if he lost his heart". Who the fuck ever wondered that??? The episode was way too drawn out and got boring quickly. We spend half of it watching him absorb monsters from a fucking book. Party Thor was funny, and we got a badass fight b/w Thor and Captain Marvel. Zombie Avengers was a really fascinating concept, and the story itself was super engrossing.
@@nahor88 lol and who tf wondered what if thor just wanted to party in Vegas also the zombies episode was ruined by every single character having a shitty oneliner every 10 seconds after all their friends and families have been basically killed and turned to soulless brutal eating machines i mean spiderman was depressed in no way home from just tony dying yet when his friends aunt and Tony along with half the heroes die hes still basically the same and maybe even happier
@@milboxr9772 Ant-Man was sooo annoying in that episode
Doctor Strange really carried the team in the finale.
He carried this whole show. His episode and character were by far the best
Just like the MCU. 🤣
You can pick anyone from the multiverse for your dream team and you pick Frat Thor. 🤨.
@@quizno1965 Same reason Killmonger was chosen: they each had to play a part according to what The Watcher foresaw.
@@jp3813 why not pick 100 captain marvels, a single one almost defeated Ultron, and why not fight alongside the team? he can fight, we saw him fight against vision in the episode before this one, and why did he pick gamora and not tony? Wouldn't picking both be more effective?, honestly this show makes no goddamm sense, from episode 2 alone there's like 3 plotholes
“Ultron goes from biting galaxies to not being able to beat a couple strong humans”
Thor-guess I’ll die
Ultron should have died against Thanos with 5 stones.
@@daoyang223 Ultron would have been more of a fight for Thanos than Iron Man, but he should have lost.
@@daoyang223 Thanos didn’t use the stones though. Ultron killed him before he had the chance.
@@daoyang223 you know what bothers me about this? In infinity war, vision would’ve done that same thing to thanos. Leading to endgame never happening lol
@@codered1132 more he could have, last I checked (though might be wrong) Vision has morals stopping him from doing surgery on the big stone wielding grape
Unpopular Opinion: Hulk’s death is funny as hell he just popped like a balloon
Most *not* unpopular opinion ever
Yeah lol
Yeah same thing
Must agree
I dont think thats unpopular opinion at all,it was so weird yet hillarious,feels like something from 2003 movie
I firmly believe these episodes should've been at least 40 minutes a piece, that's my only gripe
@@agnez4435 wtf is this
EXACTLY, 5 more mins could’ve saved the pacing. Pacing is one of the biggest issues for me
I don't really understand why they can't be of differing lengths, it's a streaming service exclusive so being limited to TV time slots isn't a factor.
Marvel tried to give all the episodes the same run time and it really hurted the show. Like, there's the Dr. Strange, the Murder Mystery and the Ultron episodes which are perfectly paced, then there's the zombie, the finale and the Star Lord T'Challa ones that are way too rushed, and the Captain Carter and the Killmonger ones that drag a lot
I just said that in another comment section as well
I rather liked "What If..?" My only minor gripes 1), the pacing was very fast and I wish episodes were a tad longer, especially the zombies one, and 2) by the end of it, it felt like we skipped an episode with Thanos Gamora and Sekkar Iron Man.
The Tony and gamora episode was supposed to be an episode this season but it was delayed to next season for some unexplained reason.
That episode was supposed to be in season 1, but they had to delay it to season 2 because of the Rona and they couldn't finish it in time for release
@@bloke1330 huh. Weird. Wonder why?
@@Jormyyy covid I guess, it was in production while it was doing its rounds last year.
Yeah the pacing was fast but you gotta consider that they are essentially trying to fit altered plots for entire movies in a 25ish minute episode.
I was totally shocked of how bad Sebastian Stan's voice acting was
glad someone finally pointed that out
The script wasn’t doing him any favors. Worse, it’s been a long time since he played that Bucky. He was better as post-Winter Soldier Bucky in the Zombies episode.
I thought I was the only one, not just him though, many of them sounded awkward
Huh, guess I didn’t notice it with him. I did with like Cumberbatch, Okoye (I can’t remember her actresses’s name sorry I know I suck), Peter Parker especially, also tbh I liked the actress who played captain marvel in this series more than I ever did Brie Larson, just much more vibrant and interesting in What If
his acting acting isn't that great either. At least he's pretty.
@@AgentMoray th-cam.com/video/6ItfSfk9fwc/w-d-xo.html
Case closed.
Gotta be honest, I thought Benedict Cumberbatch was the best voice actor on this show...
It honestly felt like we were back in another Dr Strange film, which is funny because there’s only been one solo film.
Cause he’s kinda voice acted before in the hobbits he played the dragon.
That was one of the best episodes
That's because he has experience in voice acting. He was the most recent Grinch and he was the dragon in LOTR. He's also done some narration for documentaries.
Him and Chris Hemsworth were the best of the original cast imo. Lake Bell was the best of the new voice actors.
What If pretty much delivers what the title says. A solid imagination of alternative outcomes. I enjoyed the concept and got some good laughs out of a few episodes. There's definitly room for a lot more of this, especially for their villians. Seeing Ultron having a second chance within the MCU and being REALLY powerful was kinda cool.
I'm still sad they wasted James Spader like that. Dude probably has the most epic villian voice in all of Hollywood and it was wasted. I hope they ignore that and just bring him back for something else.
I wouldn't say it was a solid imagination, there were some pretty questionable decisions made and at least one glaring plot hole an episode... But I guess they were a vaguely entertaining way to fill half an hour a week... Definitely the mcu's weakest entry in my book. (and yes that includes thor 2)
I half expected him to do a pair of quickies with this and Star Wars visions since they’re both anthology series and also I just rly wonder what he thinks of a Star Wars anime, it sounds like something he’d be rly into
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@@laforestadeimillepugnali3865 he just wants you to hear the words of God.
visions is so good, can't remember if he said on twitter if he watched it
Star Wars Visions is so so fkin cool and everyone needs to watch it immediately so Disney commisions some full series from those episodes. It completely renewed my excitement for Star Wars media.
Damn, that A G N E S bot is all over this comments section.
This show was exactly what I thought it was going to be and what all the promotional material showed us it would be. A fun animated side project that we weren't expecting to get. Nothing more, nothing less.
Marvel is being open to doing more high quality animation shows. Hopefully they bring back avengers emh
Idk if they will bring emh back although I would love it especially with the writing team of emh
High quality???
The animation looks awful , I don't know how this came from a studio as big as marvel
@@oo-ek5pn Nah the animation is the best part of this show. It's the writing that needs work.
@@soapbiter36577 i don't agree with you
Did we even watch the same show?
Don’t tell anyone this but I like EMH more than the movies lol
The lighting and use of HDR really took the animation to another level.
Still not better than anime
@@nicogalax crazy pretending 95% of anime animation isnt hot garbage
@@oxxy6678 You're talking about animation. The other guy meant art direction/art design. This show has the ugliest faces I've seen in animation. And that's saying a lot.
@@carinadominguez22 your extrapolating a lot from his response which was "still not better than anime". He never even said specifically art design. And even if he was, the creativity and art design are better than like 90% of most anime, almost all of it (except for that super notable 10%) is like washed up iseki trash. I'll give you that though, the faces were fucking distracting.
@@oxxy6678 I kinda mean "art design too", it looks like videogame CGI but worse, it is colorful sure, but colors doesn't mean: good
Aka, How many times can you stand constantly seeing Tony die.
Tbf it seems like his death is an "absolute point" in the multiverse so I don't mind
Or how many times can you stand Hank Pym ruining everything
Tony Stark: *Exists*
What If: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Tony Stark: *Laughing* I’m in danger
@@IcyDiamond nah “What If” is more like “I missed the part where that’s my problem”
@@Jormyyy not when he was on sekkar apparently...
about your assessment on Evil Doctor Strange: it wasn't a lust for power, just a person unable to let go, unable to move from grief. (hence why it's a cool story for that character, we have a point of reference for what makes our doctor stranger special- he let go of what he lost, in both universes he lost what he cherished most, he accepted the lost and moved on, and not doing so would've spelled disaster for him and everyone around him)
Don’t forget Marcus predicted the what if scenario with killmonger taking over the world In his MCU movies ranked part 3
*He's the Watcher*
Still shocked about that
@@Del-Dokan He is our guide through these vast new realities.
He also predicted Wonder Woman 1984 being trash, and the plot of homecoming
Maybe he is the Watcher
He just didn’t think Iron Man would be involved with it
I think it's interesting how the Party Thor episode reception is so evenly split. Like you either loved it or you didn't for valid reasons. I think it was my personal favorite, but that may be because it made one of my least favorite MCU movies into something stupid and fun. Didn't really take any of it seriously, it just felt like a nice breather before the conclusion that we got; which I agree, we didn't need to have all of these stories connect in some way. I would have just preferred a super high-concept finale rather than a crossover.
so something like dc does with their animated shows/movies
Yeah the Party Thor episode was my favorite one, it was a nice break from all of the dark episodes imo
I didn't hate the episode, it just feels like we are supposed to forget that Thor wasn't like that in the first two movies. They weren't bad movies, they are just not Ragnarok
@@joshuabonesteel2303 The point is the What If? is that without the lessons Thor learned throughout his childhood thanks to Loki’s tricks, he never fully matured and he still acts a like teenager
@@IcyDiamond you mean to tell me that because of Loki, we got the Thor that was serious, arrogant and itching for a fight with the frost giants? I guess so but this Thor just feels like Ragnarok Thor. It really feels like we are supposed to forget the first two movies are a thing.
Marcus finally got his Killmonger story...
Weirdly enough didn’t kilmonger lose in the end. Because the throne room was destroyed and there were a bunch of helicopters in wakanda when the watcher picked him up
@@alexanderguerrero347 yeah Kilmonger is sick but he's a brute who can be easily defeated by Shuri. She's too smart.
@@daoyang223 She wouldn’t beat him in a fist fight or anything, she’d probably outsmart him in some other way
@@alexanderguerrero347 I mean he still could’ve won the war if The Watcher didn’t kidnap him from his universe
and he complains about it lmao
I thought Benedict Cumberbatch nailed his performance in episode four. The ending scene where his girlfriend (forgot her name) died in his arms he was acting his heart out.
It was hit and miss, as it was for pretty much all of the original MCU actors. It was either fantastic (as we would expect) or flat-out weird
And he's one of the few, if not the only one, with voice acting experience (The Hobbit, Dormamu, etc.). So yeah, no wonder his performance was the best!
@@dthbdbsfgh Why didn't they just act as they always do then animate over it
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I feel like voice acting requires a little bit more exaggeration in inflection between emotional states to keep with the capabilities of animation, so I don't know if recording the actors on set would've helped. It's just a whole different kind of acting that most of the cast haven't done before.
@@janejanejaney I'm more of a fan of naturalistic acting and most voice acting is too caricatured for me
I just really saw this as an introduction into the multiverse and what it means. Kinda like how Loki explains the multiverse, this show gives us a glimpse of what can/will happen moving forward
And even Ultron’s invasion on the multiverse could be what happens in the Multiversal War where powerful beings from each universe become aware of each other and try to destroy the other to prove they are the most powerful.
So no, the Thanos kill was spot on. He went for the head, almost instantly.
Well first the crotch, then the chest and then the head. So more efficient
No, it wasn't. Sacred Timeline Thanos is the best strategist in the universe and was fare more tactical and manipulative than Ultron. The director Bryan Andrews confirmed that the alternate universe Thanos was far weaker and infinitely less badass than the Sacred Timeline Thanos.
What I find most disappointing about this is that even when they're doing a literal "What if?" anthology series that has no bearing on the canon or universe at large they still feel the need to pull their punches on the dark timelines. Like, guys, you can do literally anything and it has no long term effect on MCU canon, just let Ultron eat the universe because that would be a lot more interesting to watch. It feels like they're playing it safe in a game with no stakes.
If Ultron had won overall then he would have destroyed the entire MULTIVERSE literally everything! Boom, everything is gone- as was his intent for peace.
Exactly, that's been the main problem with Marvel's recent animated shows and its a problem with this one.
I still feel like they're playing it too safe.
Theres a season 2
I take it he did destroy atleast a universe or two. But if he won there would be no MCU. That's not no stakes.
Actually some of this stuff is going to have an affect on mcu canon. Captain Carter is going to actually show up in a future mcu movie.
Evil Dr. Strange would’ve been fine appearing in the finale if he was the twist villain instead of Killmonger. Maybe it could’ve been both of them even, idk, but as tragic a character as he is, he’s just a little too fucked up to suddenly be believable as part of a hero team.
Idk I honestly never found it off, cause it's not like he changed sides, he was driven mad for power but only to accomplish a single goal. Once that goal was fullfilled and didn't pan out right, what then.
It's like how Thanos just retires after his job is finished, they're not "Bad Guys", they are guys doing a bad thing.
Eh, it didn’t come off to me as that. He was never really in it for the power, he just wanted the love of his life back. He brought her back, but he saw how much harm it brought, it literally ended his universe. And he recognized that he caused it, and he even asked to be punished instead of the universe. So in the end, he’s still a hero, and he might even be the one who wants to save the multiverse most considering he saw the consequences of destroying a universe.
I agree. I could see Strange being resentful of his actions, but the demonic entity he's become wouldn't. I was honestly expecting this Strange to take the opportunity to escape and then he would appear in No Way Home.
Humor doesn’t land was my biggest complaint but still a good watch
4:58 the fact thanos got absolutely violated before he could say a single word was funnier than all the intentional jokes combined
On the topic of animation:
I REALLY liked how they incorporated 2d animation in the Doctor Strange episode. Definitely helped give the otherworldly beings an "otherworldly" feeling to them.
3:35 It's because Dr. Strange was carrying hard, you literally see him reverse, shrink, and eat a galaxy-sized explosion. In his story, he became strong enough to become aware of the Watcher, and Ultron did the same thing.
That suggests that they're, at the very least, in the same tier of power,,,,, or so I'm led to believe
I personally loved the Tchalla becoming Star-Lord episode. I've heard many people say it's among their least favorite. It subverted my expectations in really fun ways and I enjoyed it a lot.
That was one of my favorites
The finale literally gave the characters plot armor.
But if the plot armor is explained in the context of the plot, is it really plot armor?
@@thefilmwatcher1302 But if the plot gives them armor, doesn't that make it plot armor. Idk, it could go either way.
@@chozoguy949 nah i bet a random super woman can survive the explosion of a galaxy from a guy with 6 infinity stones at their 100% maximum power
@@hsing-yihuang3335 I get that Ultron couldn't physically hurt the guardians, but the entire time I was wondering why he wasn't just destroying the universe that they were in.
@@hsing-yihuang3335 you mean when Strange reversed the explosion and ate it?
this show is such a mixed bag. some episodes were incredibly impressive animation wise and has some of the best stories in the mcu. but other episodes honestly gave me second hand embarrassment both animation and story wise.
How can you get second hand embarrassment through ANIMATION? What episodes made you feel like THAT?
@@CrossOutBryce I mean ultrron casually cutting thanos in half was extremely stupid
@@i_likemen5614 But was that because of the way it was animated?
@@i_likemen5614 Ultron is not only is posession of Vision’s body but he also has the Mind stone as well
@@soapbiter36577 it was definitely part of the reason that shit looked like a scene from sausage party lol
When asked how Ultron is able to use the Gems outside his universe, I remember the explanation from the writer being that because he’s from the Gems’ universe, they work. Which they explain is why Loki wasn’t able to use the Space Gem because it wasn’t his Space Gem.
So how was Killmonger able to use Ultron’s Gems and Widow able to use Loki’s Mind Gem?
My headcanon is that the gems receive their power from their universe and since the tva pruned their universe they're useless and also the tva exist in a space outside of the universe like the quantum realm where the laws of physics are different so they wouldn't work their regardless
by bending reality with the reality gem... honestly, it's more fun if you don't over-think it.
maybe it was because they were using a tool from the original universe to activate the stones idk
Both Killmonger and Widow used the stone's power through an object originating from the stone's original world. I never thought about that before but that could easily be a roundabout way of getting past that restriction.
Same thing should work in reverse, if the stones can only be destroyed by something from their home universe, it shouldn't matter who uses said object, as long as that object they are using is from the right universe.
In the comics, Infinity stones just don’t work outside of their own universe, which is a simpler explanation in my book, but then they couldn’t have OP Ultron…
What I didn’t like about this show is how characters would get buffed or nerfed at random. Ultron with Mind Stone is able to split Thanos in half but if he could do that then why didn’t he back in Infinity War?
Because vision and ultron have very different mind sets
Ultron would try to kill everyone
Vision is much more laid back, In a way Vision is more human thinking
Vision is a guy who’d try to mercy/peace option
Also in infinity war he was injured by the alien spear thing which ultron vision didn’t have to worry about
Another thing is Vision was busy focusing on the idea of Wanda destroying his mind stone meaning he wouldn’t realize the mind stone could do that because he wasn’t looking for options while Wanda was blasting his forehead
Just play attention to the scenes and context and you’d probably also go “oh yea he probably wouldn’t go “hey Wanda wait I think I could’ve just lasered thanos…” And Wanda would’ve went “should’ve thought of that before 🙄” “
The reason for that is because Corvus Glaive's glaive turned off most of Vision's powers
@@okastbloart8395 he actually seemed to be just fine when he joined the fight and began destroying the evil aliens attacking. I don't think he planned to talk it out with Thanos, because he's not an idiot, Thanos clearly was not willing to be reasoned with. So yes, What If does make it look like Vision could have easily killed Thanos and opens a massive plothole for Vision not thinking of something I thought of during the movie. I then went "Oh yeah Thanos has all the other stones so he'd destroy vision"
But apparently you just need the mindstone
because it was vision and he got stabbed with corvus' glaive which restricted his powers
@@JustBearly Corvus Glaive’s staff had literally stop Vision from using his powers which is why he barely did anything through the rest of the movie and in the show Ultron who is in possession of Vision’s body is fully powered and in the possession of the Mind Stone oneshots Thanos with 5 infinity Stones
as a creative person, i really enjoyed the clear fun the creators were having. it felt freeing compared to the standardized, formulaic mcu films, things could be weird and unexpected and, importantly, new.
The quality of voice acting is one of the reason why the Evil Strange ep is a stand out.
Benedict is clearly better at doing voice acting than some of his colleagues cause he has done quite a lot before.
If there's anything to take away from the show, is that the cleanly animated fight scenes really highlight how garbage the shaky incomprehensible fights in MCU live action have been.
Shang Chi really highlighted this problem for me by having good fight scenes. Lol.
The fight with Thanos on Titan in Infinity War was much better than a lot of other MCU live action fights because it was basically all CG animation. Like, Spiderman jumping around through the fields with weird gravity, Thanos and Iron Man coming to blows, all the visual effects nonsense with Dr. Strange casting different spells, and the camera focused on it all without the constant up-close shakiness of more 'realistic' MCU fights like Cap VS Bucky.
This is what I love about animation, you have so much freedom to do shit like this. Like in the Strange episode or the Thor vs Cap. Marvel fights, non of that would've looked that cool in live action.
@@cherrychocolate1434 Part if the reason why the more crazy MCU stories are often better for me then the more grounded ones
@@cherrychocolate1434 they have clearly shown that they can do good fight scenes.
What If... Marcus liked Civil War. Anyone else want to see that?
Or just any Captain America project in general
@@enderbrawler6576 he didn't like winter soldier?
@@MuhammadSalman7236 He did hate it at first, but now he seems to like it even though he thinks it’s kind of corny.
Or any Marvel property.
My favorite bit in the entire anthology never gets touched on (that I've seen). It's that they gave Thanos an actual redemption arc in the T'Challa-as-StarLord episode. And his mind is changed by a frank exchange of ideas. It was a brilliant move and I loved it!
Love how doctor strange supreme just flexed on Ultron also Ultron with that galactus reference was 🔥
I haven’t watched What If, but I find it interesting that a lot of what is said here aligns with what I thought about Star Wars Visions. Anthologies that are a bit more experimental than their franchises with a handful of bad celebrity performances and a mix of good and bad episodes.
Visions probably even more so since almost every episode is done by a different company, and therefore, none of them have the same take on Star Wars as the other. While What If is all done by the same people & lead to a finale that connected all previous episodes, it leaves the door open for future What Ifs they might be interested in doing.
Marcus do Star Wars visions! It’s basically well made Star Wars fan fic anime
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So hyped about the Star Wars anime.
@sam deon
Well yeah, no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. So it’s a given 🤣
Hayley Atwell has done voice acting before and I think it shows, she was in a few Doctor Who audios in the early 2000s and was pretty good in them so I think she stood out in this series
3:40 You may have missed the part where a GODLIKE Doctor Strange prevented Ultron from wiping out the galaxy.
The major inconsistency was Ultron using the infinity stones outside their original universe. But we can infer they ignored that rule from the comics because part of "Supreme Strange" powers also come from an infinity stone.
And really, like you said, the infinity stone thing is just from the comics. It's not really an inconsistency for this series yet because all we know about their limitations in the MCU is that they don't work at the TVA, which is it's own thing.
@@BlueMega that means the mcu is not connected to the comics like the other marvel films, wich also means it can't be connected to the raimi/webb movies because they're connected to the comics, I wonder how are they gonna fix that in no way home
I feel like the "Supreme Strange" didnt really get an redemption arc because he's still doomed to be alone in his little universe for all eternity, acting as a jailer for the Armin Zola and Killmonger
A redemption arc doesn't mean he gets a happy ending. He got a redemption arc just not a happy ending.
@@HaHa-cj9yd I mean, at the end of his own episode, he seems genuinely remorseful and is begging The Watcher not to punish Christine (and the rest of his universe) for his action. The episode ends with him sobbing in his own tiny dimension
At the end of the series, he goes right back to his tiny dimension, doomed to spend eternity alone...more or else. I think he has accepted his fate and he received atonement.
That doesnt necessarily equate to redemption, imo
@@jak1165 at the end of his episode he realized what he did was wrong and got his universe destroyed. He then goes on to basically carry the guardians of the multiverse to beat ultron and save the multiverse thus redeeming himself. Him going back to his pocket demension just means he doesn't get a happy ending. It doesn't mean he didn't redeem himself.
I think he was redeemed but why does everyone get to go home safe? Sometimes people lose and die and pay for their mistakes
I feel like What If ended up feeling like the other Marvel shows so far: Some really good stuf, some mediocre stuff, feels like it could have been much better with a little more focus.
As soon as I heard Bucky speak for the first time, I uttered out loud “wow that line delivery was awful”.
I don’t know what it is, but ultron seeing the watcher really unsettled me
In a good way or a bad way?
@@IcyDiamond It just creeped me out. Ultron basically can use all the infinity stones to their maximum power and now he knows about the multiverse. It kinda felt like a fourth wall break too.
@@chrisegan6671 Thanks for the explanation Sokka
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The T'Challa episode killed it for me. Yondu did about 20 years of character development in about 20 seconds. Thanos abandoned (though spoke about) his genocide plan despite how deeply ingrained it is in his character and basically the whole episode was just character after character having completely different personalities and motivations. Yes it's a different timeline, but it's supposed to be change one thing not change every single character... Beyond jarring.
Really enjoyed the Dr Strange one and the Killmonger one too (though the character changes at the end of that were bonkers too)...
The Strange one was probably the most coherent narrative because it just focused on one person and one thing, you can believe it and see the progression in a sensible fashion because it's purposefully narrow.
The Killmonger one had a good set up too (ignoring how time works because Iron Man was a long time before and he would have been a child) because it showed touched on immature Tony being directed by someone, I think it ended in a silly place but the set up was pretty sweet.
The Ultron episode again worked because it was basically he got his body and then won, again it's one thing, no one else changed radically or had their motivations ignored (one shotting Thanos was stupid though).
All in I probably could have done without it TBH and will probably forget it exists until season 2
The Thor episode was the most unnecessary but was well-executed. I ended up liking that one a lot.
Benedict was unironically a great VA💀
Seeing him play a more campy villain probably just threw ppl off guard.
I wish they would’ve done more with Zola, maybe Nat and Zola surviving together, or maybe even transported into the marvel zombies universe
honestly loved this series. not in the academy award winning way, but the “these are fun” way. shouldn’t be harshly criticized. just my opinion tho
In the "venom" and "blade" kinda way
I think my biggest gripe is how hard this show tries to stay to the original movies. While I do understand that they are doing the “multiverse” stuff and are planning to impliment it in a way that it opens up the idea of multiple different stories for familiar characters, it feels kinda forced to stay within a creative line of characters having to look and talk a certain way. It’s kinda why I love the animated DC movies because they just do it, they’re willing to change how a character looks,talks, and what they believe in without having to explain to me that it is different from the originals. I just can’t wait for marvel to start expanding on their animation like DC has.
I'm a sucker for character interactions, so I really enjoyed What If for providing weird scenarios which wouldn't necessarily work in the mainline MCU. It's a lot like star wars visions in that if you just turn your lore/canon brain off and have fun with it, it's really enjoyable.
I honestly hope Star Wars does keep some of Visions' ideas for stuff outside of Visuons. I'd like to see some crazy stuff with those extendable lightsabers from the Ninth Jedi episode.
you must have missed the fact Strange put shields on everyone. They even say in the episode Ultron can destroy galaxies & strange’s magic was the only thing keeping everyone alove
yeah idk why Marcus sometimes gripes on details very easily explained in the show. Maybe was too busy doing something else.
@@Chrisy7 Even then Ultron tried to walk towards the soul stone instead of using the space stone to teleport
That still doesn't explain how the hell Captain Carter and Natasha were staggering Ultron with basic shield bashes. Ultron jobbed harder during that fight than any other MCU character ever did combined.
Not to mention the rest of the plot holes.
@@siddharthkhirwar2351
Thanos was stunned by spiderman's punches so what's your point?!
@@darky1595 That both villains are randomly nerfed at times would be my guess. All-powerful beings shouldn’t be able to be stunned by people who are practically pests/bugs to them at best lol
It’s such a freaking relief to listen to someone not drooling over this show just because it’s made by marvel and we’re supposed to like it. It was fine at best. It had problems, it had good moments. But I swear if I see another TikTok post worshipping it imma just…
I think some of the What If concepts should’ve been more bizarre and different. Some like Captain Carter or Party Thor aren’t bad in my opinion, but they weren’t different enough for me to be weirded out as much as I would’ve liked. But I really enjoyed the show overall.
Exactly what I was thinking
I think Marvel Studios were testing the waters with this season. With this season’s success, will come more strange and bold What If ideas. Hopefully.
@@PittsburghSonido I am still upset we will never get the president Rogers episode.
@@a.f9234
Maybe next season???
@sam deon Star Wars has only had one anthology, what are you talking about?
The Captain Carter Ultron and Strange episode were my favorite ones. They're all very simple changes that make the turnout especially interesting. If they kept that trend going, instead of the party Thor or Killmonger episodes. Make Thor NEED a brother, like since Loki is gone he never becomes humble and ends up attempting to conquer Midgard for Odin. Evil Thor? Dope.
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The episode where Hank Pym kills the avengers sent chills down my spine because it proves how powerful he can be if he was pushed to evil intent.
Agreed. It also proved the Antman Butthole theory could happen
I’m glad such a series exists honestly, although not the best, that’s not to say you should diminish the idea of an anthology series based on what if scenarios.
I’m surprised Cumberbatch missed his voice acting here, as he does have experience as Smaug and Sauron in the Hobbit trilogy and performed excellently there (in my opinion)
Smaug is was motion capture
I think it was that he had already played this character and was now trying to replicate that voice
That Dr Strange episode was gold. So dark. I'm just a horror fiend clearly.
For those who were confused on why Gamora just shows up in the finale without any background. There is a reason for this. COVID screwed up the schedule for the show and the episode where Gamora kills Thanos wasn’t ready for release in time. That’s also why the season only has 9 episodes. But don’t worry, they are planning on doing a second season and including the episode in season 2.
Ultron in episode 8: bites a galaxy in half
Ultron in episode 9- gets bested by 5 people punching him
Party Thor's episode is actually my favorite since it's consistently fun and goofy throughout .
Ultron killing Thanos actually does make some sense since Thanos was caught off guard and this Ultron doesn't mess around and make jokes like other Villains...
What If the Carnage symbiote got the Infinity Gauntlet?
Other villains including MCU Ultron lol
Why would thanos fight against Ultron unarmored and without his sword thingy, he knows he killed the avengers who he also knows are super strong, also his skin is extremely resistant so a single *sweeep* wouldn't have done shit, even from a infinity stone, and where is the magician squid and the blue haired girl and his entire fucking army, the whole scenario makes no sense
@@averythesuperhero That's why I said this Ultron, since after getting his body he comes a lot more serious and less jokey.
@@diegob798 His latest Intel would simply be about the Avengers, he had no idea about Ultron. He probably just thought that the Avengers would be easy to defeat but he was definitely mistaken. While Thanos's Skin is tough it's no match against The Mind Stone (which is stated to have Infinite Power).
Something I was quite impressed by was the fight choreography, particularly Strange’s fights scenes. I hope they stay that creative with his powers in live action
“Who are YOU supposed to be?”
“what are YOU DOING HEREEE”
It was a meh show that had extremely good potential.
agreed 100%. many of the concepts were not developed enough and instead turned into “what if character a replaced character b and then everything else stayed exactly the same”. very disappointing overall
Agreed. Personally, I think What If? wasn’t crazy ENOUGH. It felt super safe and not comfortable exploring more extreme territory. But that’s just my opinion.
Yeah. And more interesting what if scenarios would be better
@@brody02 You hit the point exactly, everyone I've talked to about this show hated the constant character swap nonsense instead of the great "what ifs" they could've came up with.
Episodes like the Dr Strange one show how good it could be.
The Marvel vs Capcom music is always a nice touch in these videos. Thank you
I wasn't expecting the world from this show, and I enjoyed my time from week to week.
I actually kinda enjoyed bringing everyone together, I'm a suckers for bad and good guys team ups. I felt like a mark, but I had a lot of fun.
I like that any character can potentially die in each episode. It keeps you on your toes since you don’t have to worry about continuity.
Considering the time limit on a lot of them and some narrative requirements I can see why they made the sacrifices they did at points. But I still looked forward to it as the highlight of my week and loved every episode.
I imagine the three guys with the Watcher’s bobble head and outfit from the Stan Lee cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 are simply Uatu’s acolytes, and whenever something interesting happens in their universe they use some kind of magic signal flare to say “Hey big guy, check this out!”
As a marvel fan this is everything i ever eanted and it gave me even more then i was expecting. I just love the new direction of the marvel series. And i really enjoyed watching these every wensday with my dad 😀
So glad to see you back can’t wait for more videos
I personally loved the finale and thought it was very cool how they were tied together, it was just so fun to watch. Though I definitely agree the Doctor Strange episode’s ending is ruined somewhat by it.
Me personally, my favorite episode was "What if Tachala became Star-Lord?". I felt like it had a lot of cool creativity in it, and it was very fun and entertaining to see how much different it was to have Tachala be Star-Lord vs Peter Quill.
Am I the only one that loves Party Thor? I really liked how despite being an immature and irresponsible idiot jock, they still showed him as friendly, sweet and cutely awkward.
My favorite episode was the zombie episode because not only did it have Spider-Man in that, but we also got to see him in his Disneyland suit which I like and I would love to see it brought to life in the live-action MCU. I also liked how they used Hudson Thames to voice him since Tom Holland was under a Sony contract and they had to get someone else to do, it would've been nice to have Holland but I think Thames is a good voice actor for the webhead in this series
Couldn’t disagree more about the finale.. I absolutely LOVED how the watcher tailored every single detail. We watched these specifically stories for a reason. The finale to me gave purpose to the time I spent watching the other 8 episodes
Why do you need more purpose than purely entertainment?
The episodes felt like fever dreams. There’s was so much random stuff popping up during the episodes and they all moved along so fast
This is when I appreciate the fact I live in Latin America and the voice acting is effin great!
1:36 Honestly, this is one of my criticisms of the MCU in general. A lot of it honestly feels like it’s just the actors playing themselves in Marvel cosplay and goofing around with each other. It feels like most of the movies are just parodies of themselves, and it makes them hard to take seriously.
This is so true
Hulk exploding into a fart cloud had me on the floor for what felt like an hour.
I think you might be missing the point. The whole reason What if? exists is to bring together the multiverse. Showing you in the finale, how all the different universes connect and impact each other, and Strange Supreme has a redemption arc, was part of the original direction, I think. Seeing just an anthology series, set in the Marvel Universe, would be cool, just like Love, Death, and Robots, but the point of this What if? series was to raise questions and anticipation for Marvel's future projects, like No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness. Marvel seems to like to tie everything together, in a neat little bowtie these days, and I'm all for it! Great video as always!
I don't care what anybody says, this is my favorite MCU's best show so far, such a blast!!!
He is on antimarvel fase now. He spends his time crying and dropping points every time they want to connect something with the mcu
Youre fucking insane. This was the worst god damn thing marvel has ever done, next to thor the dark world and the likes.
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor Episode 4,8 and 6 were really good bro.
@@KarkatVantasandMitunaCaptor damn really? I mean u r entitled to ur own beliefs, but i had such a good time with what if. I wasnt eagerly waiting for a new episode each week because it an anthology, and this is as bold as disney will get for marvel and i loved every second of them exploring fun concepts. This is a lot more fun than black widow or any of the other shows.
Glad that you liked it. For me, its easily the worst MCU Phase 4 project and is incredibly mediocre (not to mention pretty disrespectful to a lot of beloved MCU characters in my opinion).
A thing that bugged me about this series is that it was clearly not "What If...?", it was just "Multiverse: The Series"
In many episodes there wasn't a specific event that changed everything (hence the name of the show, and the comics), it was just an ambiguous alternate universe. That applies to Dr. Strange Supreme, Zombies, Killmonger vs. Stark, Hank Pym kills the Avengers, etc.
Also English isn't my first language, it's spanish. I watched some of the episodes dubbed AND in their original audio, and dubbed was way better, because it used professional voice actors, obviously
I really like the ending to Strange's arc. Doomed his universe so in reparations for that he'll have to stand watch, alone over two psychos in a bubble.
I worked on this. Thanks for flattering me and using a bunch of my shots lol.
This is just a theory but I feel like they're going to use evil Dr Strange again and even though he redeemed himself I think he's going to continue to do horrible things.
I think this is great as something you watch with your kids/nieces/nephews/any small child that happens to need a distraction while in your care.
The doctor strange episode was by far the best one, second best was the first ultron episode it literally gave me goosebumps when he got comic consciousness
Glad you touched on the retcon of the Dr Strange episode ending. It’s clear this was aimed more at kids, sucked that it undercut the darkest ending in the show.
Very solid first season. Only episodes that didn't really click with me were three and six (murder mystery & killmonger ep), otherwise they were all either good or great. Very much looking forward to the second season.
So this is the first video I've ever seen from this channel... so "cosmonaut quickie" caught me really fukin off guard
I get your view point on the finale, but the thing is, this is actually canon. So if they didn't resolve it, ultron could literally go and destroy all the universes including our main mcu one. So i guess they needed to solve it, or they should have gone further with it in live action
In the zombie episode, why did Thanos go to Wakanda? None of the heroes were there and the 2 infinity stones were with zombie Dr Strange and Vision, who were both in the northeast US. His becoming a zombie waiting for them to arrive made no sense, niether stone was there or was on its way there. Just kinda felt like a slapped on ending for a shock twist that doesn’t work if you think about it.