These mysterious 14 cases seem to me very intimidating yes, but I think the lack of audio and video resources is the biggest problem. I think your double subtitles are amazing, thank you for doing that, it makes it easier.
Finnish is different than most other languages yes, but I don't think it's more difficult. It becomes difficult when people try to understand Finnish grammar through the grammar of their native language, or worse, through English which is already a foreign language for many! Some concepts are just untranslatable. This "natural learning" method is great and your videos are a wonderful resource. I try to listen to your videos with only the Finnish transcription and try to forget about any other language I know. Like a child learning their first language haha though it's easier said than done! And easier if I knew more vocabulary :D
My native language is Croatian. At first I was terrified of the number of cases in Finnish as everybody else, but once I figured out what you talked about here, I came to conclusion that I already speak a language that is way harder - we have 7 cases + prepositions + singular/plural + 3 genders, and it all has to allign in the same case :D But the problem of irregular changes in the root of the word with cases still remains a bit of a problem :/
In a lot of ways Finnish grammar is quite flexible, you can put adverbs wherever you want (in a lot of cases). It can be played easily as a trick for native speakers, but it causes confusion for the learners, especially beginners. When I first started as a beginner, I got really confused about a lot of things. A language can be complicated if its grammar rules are strict, but it's hard always because of it's flexibility and variety when using. And that's the main obstacle blocking you on the way of being native. Language learning is endless, that's why we're learning even our mother tongue at school. I always wanted to master Finnish because I'm an immigrant in Finland and I'm still a student. Your channel is helping me to get that "feeling" of speaking Finnish, but I still have to stick to grammar studying because I have Finnish lessons at school. I always think there'd be these "points" in Finnish learning, just like a Marathon, once you passed your exhaustion point, you get to your excitement point, and when you eventually reach it, you'll have a great great leap which even yourself would be surprised by. And it works for learning every language.
You are so right! I really don´t know why there is so much focus on the finnish cases. Prepositions are sometimes way hareder to be learnt. My native language is German. The preposition "in" can be used either with Dativ or Accusativ. Ich bin in der Stadt (Dativ, answering Where? I am in town) Ich gehe in die Stadt. (Accusativ, aswering Where to? I am going to town). Thanks for your fantastic videos! i have learnt a lot by watching them!!!
Kiitos paljon että selitit tästä ❤ yes once I came to conclusion how to use “ssa/ssä/lla/llä” sitten ”mihin ja mistä muotoa” but then there are also vartalo sana especially which makes it a bit more difficult and yes when we keep studying and be open then we will get there eventually. (I hope that for myself 😅) Your videos are always helpful ❤ kiitos vielä 😊
Moikka, paljon kiitoksia as always for your useful videos, as it helps me to train in reading as well as listening skills of many different topics. I’ve just started learning Finnish and it’s harder when you’re not in Finland/Europe but thankfully there is the internet and especially TH-cam as well as your channel! Here’s my perspective so far on Finnish: - Pronunciation is phonetically consistent, so that’s a great start! - Lack of genders, which is nice. - The 15 cases may look daunting, but their difficulty (as you said) has always been highly exaggerated, since they’re effectively equivalent to prepositions in English (just more ‘specific’ in terms of location). Plus, some of them are used quite rarely in daily speech anyway. Lucky I had learnt some German, so the concept of ‘cases’ wasn’t too foreign for me. - The difficulties for me at the moment are: - Vocabulary: it’s very different to a typical Indo-European & Germanic language, but that’s not unique to Finnish - so memorising them can be a bit of a task. - Noun/verb/adjective inflection (consonant weakening, etc): what makes vocab memorisation difficult is that you have to recognise various different forms of the same word. But I think it just takes getting used to the more you learn the language until it becomes the norm. - Formal vs. colloquial language: again not unique to Finnish (even my native language Indonesian can be like this), but it can seem like you’re learning two different dialects (which takes more of an effort). What’s more frustrating is that a lot of textbooks and lessons online are consistently reluctant in teaching you the colloq language, but in reality it seems that it’s what you’d use in everyday life. The colloq consists of a lot of ‘shortcuting’ anyway, which breaks a lot of the proper grammatical rules - so if you make mistakes even in the formal language, Finnish is quite forgiving in that sense. I like grammar and tend to start with that in order to know how the language is formed, but doing that first can often be overwhelming, especially when it’s a language family not familiar to you. But hopefully by listening to your videos, I can get a grip on how sentences should be formed and learn a few expressions here and there to enrich my vocabulary even more :)
Sun kanava mahdollista suomen kielen oppimisen, ja mä en välitä kielioppi virheitä, koska seuraamaan kielioppia saa minut pelkäämään kielta joka kertaa kun yritän puhua. Kiitos
I think Finnish cases aren't difficult when compared to Slavic languages with many different endings depending on the last letter, gender and some other factors. God bless gender neutral Finnish!
3.27 (line 31 in transcript): a case in point. 'kammoksua' is a 'rinnakkaismuoto' of 'kammota', but would you expect a finnish language student to recognise this if it hadn't been drawn to their attention?
Hei, great as always.........thanks a lot! Best wishes! Now I have got a strange feeling, that my finnish language doesn't progress (as it has to)...... every day I do study it and listen to podcasts (30 minutes in the morning and in the evening during bike-riding to my job)..... this matter of things doesn't bother me much, because i am waiting for a "language burst"...... and study finnish just for fun and with pleasure...........according to your approach and advices! What do you think of it? By the way, the carved wooden box for you is actively in progress right now........
Moi, olen puolalainen ja opiskelen suomea, koska se on erittäin kaunis kieli :) Sijamuodot ovat myös puolan kielessä, joten tiedän, mitä se on. He eivät ole samanlaista, mutta minulle se ei ole niin suuri ongelma :) Terveisiä Puolasta :)
Moi!!! I am so grateful having the chance to learn your heavenly language from listening to you and the help of the double subtitles! I am also using the ASSiMiL book for learning Finnish. Any recommendations? I am new here!
Welcome onboard! Watching the same video over and over helps you to memorise not only vocabulary but also structures - so I recommend watching one video until you understand about 75% without subtitles. I know it's boring sometimes but then you start understanding faster and faster :)
I don't think Finnish cases are the same thing as prepositions. First of all, the word body changes. Second thing is that there is no space between the word body and the case ending, making it extra hard to learn. When comparing the 14 cases to 150 prepositions in English, you have to count 14 cases X (The number of Finnish nouns). I don't think 150 makes a dent to that number. Also, I clicked the first result in Google saying there are 150 prepositions in English. That list includes things like "regarding", "concerning" and "until". You can bet that Finnish has words for them too.
@@finnished In that case you can't use the numbers *150*, or *15*. For example, how do you say "This apple is on the table" in Finnish? Can you say that purely using cases?
@@finnished I'm saying that Finnish cases don't describe all relative position relations. You know what? "on" isn't a good example, translate "The apple is under the table" to Finnish, just do it and I'll show you what I mean.
I have a question on the word "oppimistapa". In the dictionary it shows that the suffix "-pa" is usually used to emphasize or to ease the tone, what's the use of it here then? Does it mean anything?
Hi, could you give your personal opinion about the level of finnish language that you use in Finnished-youtube channel videos? It is interesting whether you low your language down (for example to B1 and use more simple words and sentence constructions..... for majority of people to understand the most part of videos) or you choose in any other way some middle finnish language (less puhekieli, slang-dialects with lower speech speed).......... or it (language) remains "THE REAL SPOKEN, AS IT SOUNDS IN DAILY LIFE"....... It would be nice to see such video with this explanation.......if it suits you........
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These mysterious 14 cases seem to me very intimidating yes, but I think the lack of audio and video resources is the biggest problem. I think your double subtitles are amazing, thank you for doing that, it makes it easier.
Thank you!
Finnish is different than most other languages yes, but I don't think it's more difficult. It becomes difficult when people try to understand Finnish grammar through the grammar of their native language, or worse, through English which is already a foreign language for many! Some concepts are just untranslatable. This "natural learning" method is great and your videos are a wonderful resource. I try to listen to your videos with only the Finnish transcription and try to forget about any other language I know. Like a child learning their first language haha though it's easier said than done! And easier if I knew more vocabulary :D
Thank you, that's a very good point! :)
My native language is Croatian. At first I was terrified of the number of cases in Finnish as everybody else, but once I figured out what you talked about here, I came to conclusion that I already speak a language that is way harder - we have 7 cases + prepositions + singular/plural + 3 genders, and it all has to allign in the same case :D
But the problem of irregular changes in the root of the word with cases still remains a bit of a problem :/
Thank you for your comment! Yeah I know it's quite hard, but you will get used to the right form when you keep listening a lot :)
Tosi mukava ja mielenkintoinen. Kiitos avusta. Suomen kielen näyttä helpompalta kun selainen video.
In a lot of ways Finnish grammar is quite flexible, you can put adverbs wherever you want (in a lot of cases). It can be played easily as a trick for native speakers, but it causes confusion for the learners, especially beginners. When I first started as a beginner, I got really confused about a lot of things. A language can be complicated if its grammar rules are strict, but it's hard always because of it's flexibility and variety when using. And that's the main obstacle blocking you on the way of being native. Language learning is endless, that's why we're learning even our mother tongue at school. I always wanted to master Finnish because I'm an immigrant in Finland and I'm still a student. Your channel is helping me to get that "feeling" of speaking Finnish, but I still have to stick to grammar studying because I have Finnish lessons at school. I always think there'd be these "points" in Finnish learning, just like a Marathon, once you passed your exhaustion point, you get to your excitement point, and when you eventually reach it, you'll have a great great leap which even yourself would be surprised by. And it works for learning every language.
Good point! Even the sentence structure is very flexible in Finnish. And marathon is a very good way of describing language learning indeed :'D
You are so right!
I really don´t know why there is so much focus on the finnish cases. Prepositions are sometimes way hareder to be learnt.
My native language is German. The preposition "in" can be used either with Dativ or Accusativ. Ich bin in der Stadt (Dativ, answering Where? I am in town) Ich gehe in die Stadt. (Accusativ, aswering Where to? I am going to town).
Thanks for your fantastic videos! i have learnt a lot by watching them!!!
Thank you! I'd love to hear about your progress :)
Kiitos paljon että selitit tästä ❤ yes once I came to conclusion how to use “ssa/ssä/lla/llä” sitten ”mihin ja mistä muotoa” but then there are also vartalo sana especially which makes it a bit more difficult and yes when we keep studying and be open then we will get there eventually. (I hope that for myself 😅)
Your videos are always helpful ❤ kiitos vielä 😊
Moikka, paljon kiitoksia as always for your useful videos, as it helps me to train in reading as well as listening skills of many different topics. I’ve just started learning Finnish and it’s harder when you’re not in Finland/Europe but thankfully there is the internet and especially TH-cam as well as your channel!
Here’s my perspective so far on Finnish:
- Pronunciation is phonetically consistent, so that’s a great start!
- Lack of genders, which is nice.
- The 15 cases may look daunting, but their difficulty (as you said) has always been highly exaggerated, since they’re effectively equivalent to prepositions in English (just more ‘specific’ in terms of location). Plus, some of them are used quite rarely in daily speech anyway. Lucky I had learnt some German, so the concept of ‘cases’ wasn’t too foreign for me.
- The difficulties for me at the moment are:
- Vocabulary: it’s very different to a typical Indo-European & Germanic language, but that’s not unique to Finnish - so memorising them can be a bit of a task.
- Noun/verb/adjective inflection (consonant weakening, etc): what makes vocab memorisation difficult is that you have to recognise various different forms of the same word. But I think it just takes getting used to the more you learn the language until it becomes the norm.
- Formal vs. colloquial language: again not unique to Finnish (even my native language Indonesian can be like this), but it can seem like you’re learning two different dialects (which takes more of an effort). What’s more frustrating is that a lot of textbooks and lessons online are consistently reluctant in teaching you the colloq language, but in reality it seems that it’s what you’d use in everyday life. The colloq consists of a lot of ‘shortcuting’ anyway, which breaks a lot of the proper grammatical rules - so if you make mistakes even in the formal language, Finnish is quite forgiving in that sense.
I like grammar and tend to start with that in order to know how the language is formed, but doing that first can often be overwhelming, especially when it’s a language family not familiar to you. But hopefully by listening to your videos, I can get a grip on how sentences should be formed and learn a few expressions here and there to enrich my vocabulary even more :)
Thank you for your interesting analysis! I hope my videos can help you with your learning :)
Hei! Haluan kiittää sinua! Katsoin kaikki videosi. Teet hyvää työtä.
Kiitos!!
Sun kanava mahdollista suomen kielen oppimisen, ja mä en välitä kielioppi virheitä, koska seuraamaan kielioppia saa minut pelkäämään kielta joka kertaa kun yritän puhua. Kiitos
Kiitos! Tsemppiä opintoihin 😊
I think Finnish cases aren't difficult when compared to Slavic languages with many different endings depending on the last letter, gender and some other factors. God bless gender neutral Finnish!
Haha yes we've always been for gender equality ;)
ai, niin kiva ku ymmärrän koko videon ilman tekstityksiä
Mahtavaa!!!
Grazie per tutto quello che stai facendo
Grazie!! :)
Thank you so much for your help , not so much six months later we are gonna have a conversation together in finnish ...
Looking forward to that!
thanks a lot. Your videos are great! Aren't there any prepositions in finnish thogh?
Not in the same sense as in English :) e.g. ilman autoa = without the car, but autossa = in the car
Nothing is too hard for people determined to learn.
3.27 (line 31 in transcript): a case in point. 'kammoksua' is a 'rinnakkaismuoto' of 'kammota', but would you expect a finnish language student to recognise this if it hadn't been drawn to their attention?
They are synonyms and quite similar so I assume that by knowing one of them, you would guess the meaning of the other one as well :)
Hei, great as always.........thanks a lot! Best wishes!
Now I have got a strange feeling, that my finnish language doesn't progress (as it has to)......
every day I do study it and listen to podcasts (30 minutes in the morning and in the evening during bike-riding to my job).....
this matter of things doesn't bother me much, because i am waiting for a "language burst"......
and study finnish just for fun and with pleasure...........according to your approach and advices!
What do you think of it?
By the way, the carved wooden box for you is actively in progress right now........
Moi, olen puolalainen ja opiskelen suomea, koska se on erittäin kaunis kieli :) Sijamuodot ovat myös puolan kielessä, joten tiedän, mitä se on. He eivät ole samanlaista, mutta minulle se ei ole niin suuri ongelma :) Terveisiä Puolasta :)
Moi! Kiitos kommentista ja tsemppiä opiskeluun!
@@finnished Kiitos :)
Moi!!!
I am so grateful having the chance to learn your heavenly language from listening to you and the help of the double subtitles! I am also using the ASSiMiL book for learning Finnish. Any recommendations? I am new here!
Welcome onboard! Watching the same video over and over helps you to memorise not only vocabulary but also structures - so I recommend watching one video until you understand about 75% without subtitles. I know it's boring sometimes but then you start understanding faster and faster :)
@@finnished Gracias!
Lo que dices es muy interesante. Voy a comenzar!!! Estoy muy agradecido
I'm Thai and I live in Finland about 5 years. But I'm still unable to speak Finnish, Because I'm always forget suomea modussa. 😅
I don't think Finnish cases are the same thing as prepositions. First of all, the word body changes. Second thing is that there is no space between the word body and the case ending, making it extra hard to learn.
When comparing the 14 cases to 150 prepositions in English, you have to count 14 cases X (The number of Finnish nouns). I don't think 150 makes a dent to that number.
Also, I clicked the first result in Google saying there are 150 prepositions in English. That list includes things like "regarding", "concerning" and "until". You can bet that Finnish has words for them too.
What I meant by that is that the reason to use them is the same: to explain the position of something in relation to something else.
@@finnished In that case you can't use the numbers *150*, or *15*.
For example, how do you say "This apple is on the table" in Finnish? Can you say that purely using cases?
@@khoavo5758 I'm not sure I understand your point :D
@@finnished I'm saying that Finnish cases don't describe all relative position relations.
You know what? "on" isn't a good example, translate "The apple is under the table" to Finnish, just do it and I'll show you what I mean.
I have a question on the word "oppimistapa". In the dictionary it shows that the suffix "-pa" is usually used to emphasize or to ease the tone, what's the use of it here then? Does it mean anything?
In this case it's not a suffix, but two words: 'oppimis-' (learning) and 'tapa' (way/method/habit) 😊
@@finnished Oh okay, thank you for explaining!
I Polish we have both pronouns and cases (just 7 of them though)
Hi, could you give your personal opinion about the level of finnish language that you use in Finnished-youtube channel videos?
It is interesting whether you low your language down (for example to B1 and use more simple words and sentence constructions..... for majority of people to understand the most part of videos)
or you choose in any other way some middle finnish language (less puhekieli, slang-dialects with lower speech speed)..........
or it (language) remains "THE REAL SPOKEN, AS IT SOUNDS IN DAILY LIFE".......
It would be nice to see such video with this explanation.......if it suits you........
Thanks! Very briefly, I speak exactly the same kind of Finnish I do in normal life, but I just slow it down a bit :)
Kiitos paljon,mutta yrität antaa meille enemmän video😊.
Kiitos, sitä mäki toivoisin! :D
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