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Destiny has debated against like 4 right wingers the past 2 days and today TheSerfs and Vaush are calling Destiny fascist adjacent on twitter 😆 As a liberal I hate socialists, they’re about as honest as conservatives.
@@gyytgy3330 I'm a socialist. Please don't generalize. I don’t do so with liberals or conservatives. No one should. And if you think socialists are akin to conservatives then I'd ask how and why? Cause Vaush? Cause The Serfs?
Right winger here... So they want to criminalize the filming of porn on top of prostitution? The porn thing is never going to be politically profitable. It cannot happen, especially after reviewing the % of participation in porn viewing. IDC what state you are in, even in Cali where most votes goes to the Dems... If you're not part of a swing state, whichever politician on the dominant side of the votes would propose that... Would be effectively turning the color of his state.
@Kyle Kyle The problem is that Homeschooling is not regulated as well unlike public school. In Public Schooling you aren't required to teach by any standardized teaching materials.
Home school can be really good if it's done right. But it's very error prone because parents sometimes decide to teach their ideology which can get in the way of valuable knowledge.
@@spacedoohicky yeah I completely agree. However, I think it’s not really ideology, but rather refusing to let their kids socialize out of some fear that they will be corrupted. I was home schooled and I think I turned out significantly less ghoulish than other homeschooled kids, and that’s probably because I was allowed to participate in sports and socialize like normal people.
Guy’s reasoning: - “it’s bad because it’s bad. Why? Because it’s bad.” Girl’s reasoning: -“as a mother with two daughters” -“as a woman” - “ *…gAnG bAnGs* ”
I didn’t even make that connection, but holy shit…you’re right. Destiny’s mom is a very “traditionally conservative” woman who’s voted for Trump twice. Based Homeschool Mom and her would get along great 🤣
He also doesn't want to take the vaccine because he thinks it's poison, when he smoked an entire pack of cigs in a few hours lol. conservative logic, not even once.
@Shawn Brink You do understand that the purpose of increased taxation is to fund the health cost burden to society for said individuals who kill themselves slowly with tobacco right? Do you know how much the porn industry costs USA in terms of healthcare? I'll wait...
mrs fascist "...and some of this porno, it's just awful, what people watch in their spare time, who would do this?" mr fascist: [smoking furiously intensifies]
I hate smokers way more than I hate porn, both are bad for society, but I can choose not to watch porn and make people around me not watch it, but if someone smokes nearby... yeah... second and third hand smoke... Disgusting and really bad for the health of the people around the smokers themselves , even if they don't smoke at all
Sex work isnt inherently bad but the reality is that most only end up in that arena due to dire financial situations and those specific instances are fucked. Sex work is pog outside of that tho
Like at least appeal to the potential psychological effects, there's probably a sound argument to be made there somewhere. But the soul math is just laughable
@@SirLied yeah but the problem with that is she would have to prove those psychological effects are intrinsic, which I bet she believes but could no way prove, so she sticks to soul math lmao. I think she mentioned the psych effects offhandedly but unfortunately nobody really focussed on it.
@@midget3048 You wouldn't have to argue that the psychological effects are intrinsic, just harmful enough to consider constraining legally. For example, it's possible that a 15 year old could have no ill psychological effects of having a sexual relationship with an older person. But it's prevalent enough at that age for such outcomes to manifest that we as a society make a blanket ban on that activity rather than risk a case by case basis. It's also really hard to quantify psychological damage in many cases as it can vary so much between individuals, which is another reason we just use a zero tolerance policy to circumvent such problems.
David frum says it best.... Conservatism doesn't just try to conserve. It almost always exclusively defends the aristocracy against the rights of labor using cultural tools tool galvanize ppl to their position.
They did not have a conservative argument. All the reasons they gave to make porn illegal were from a Christian theocracy point of view. Kinda like shariah law but in merica. They said it thems selves many times in this conversation, even if porn harmed no one they would still be against it because they think it’s yucky.
@@commieloli5182 or trying to expand it, but yes generally historically yes attempting to conserve their control economically. But I just point out that they don't just conserve the status quo, in many ways they want to overturn status quo if it interferes with elitist control. IE they don't want to conserve the current labor rights we have and worked broadly during the 20th century to overturn it. They don't want to conserve the tax code but usually want to change it to benefit the elite.
Arguments for sex work and porn between both parties. The left: I think we should legalize and regulate a practice that many do and like (pay for sex) and keep it legal (porn) so that we can make it safer as well as maintain that freedom. The right: It’s ikky and it's gross, and I don’t like it! Ban it.
Funny that the right typically uses the "slippery slope" as a defense but will literally be arguing about prostitution while letting you know they'd also wanna ban porn.
It seems like right-wingers also want sex work to be banned because they want people who engage in it to not only be legally punished but also punished by other societal dangers. They would love to see sex workers being exploited by pimps, abused by clients, risk being infected with STDs, being outright murdered or raped, etc. rather than provide their service in a safe and secure environment. There's ample evidence that legalizing and regulating current social taboos related to issues like abortion, drug use, or prostitution reduces harm overall but they either ignore this evidence out of pre-determined ideological reasons or because they actively wish harm upon people who make different life choices than themselves. They don't care that people still do sex work or use drugs even when those things are banned. Rather, they want to see those people suffer.
@@Seaneey I think the joke is that homeschooling is bad because parents usually have jobs so they can’t do what a full time teacher does USUALLY. If your parents are the exception that’s great. But I think the consensus is clear that most parents , who aren’t teachers by trade, do not perform as well or better than professional teachers
@@wtfimcrying I agree. But if you're going to restrict individual rights based on the occasional external consequences of their excercise (as BPF and Co. were ostensibly advocating), then well, the most socially destructive right rn is Republicans' right to vote.
Swede here. The study that Rachel points to basically concluded in very that "outdoor street prostitution _seemed_ to have decreased" after the laws were passed. This has been widely criticised due to the fact that street prostitution was never the most prevalent form of prostitution in sweden to begin with, _it's freaking cold here_ . This coupled with the fact that selling is not in fact criminalised here renders her argument moot.
I haven't read that study yet, but just based on the way she conducted herself throughout this debate and her overall mentality, I was already almost positive that she was probably heavily misinterpreting that study, or just outright misrepresenting it.
@@benjaminagostini8 make no mistake, the study itself is quite pro banning the purchase of sex services, but it's been widely criticized for its methodology
@Shawn Brink One girl couldn't read an analog clock by the age of 12, so yeah, we laughed at her. Kids are mean, that's her parents' fault for raising an idiot. We also laughed at the other homeschooled kids that thought all of Earth's animals fit and survived on an ark during a global flood. I'm sorry that laughing at morons triggers you... I'm sure your homeschooling went just fine. 😗
My favourite high-school memory was just making fun of the dumb conservative kids with the teacher. The way we phrased our comments were that it made fun of them for being racists, but they were too f"cking stupid to understand it. The most they caught on to was we were saying something bad about it but their reading level was too poor to understand it. Gonna love that memory for the rest of my life.
@Shawn Brink bruh, “homeschool mom” over here is literally begging for attention on twitch/TH-cam. Like, that one was literally right in front of your face.
@Shawn Brink being taught in a “different manner” doesn’t make you exempt from criticism for being an imbecile. This isn’t an oblivious child, this is a fully grown adult that is proudly incapable of reconciling blaring inconsistency in their logic.
Mama Fascist: “If everyone was a sex worker, would that be good for society?” Me: “If everyone was an art teacher, would that be good for society?” Even “good things” sound bad when discussed in extreme terms.
Seriously though thats exactly what I would say. The market wouldn't exist then. So no money anymore, people do it because they want to like she said. She just invented casual sex. Maybe some people would be open to more sexual experiences if money was involved. Now we rereinvented sex work. But if everyone...
@@justsumguy5991 And besides that, who’s going to do all the other jobs? Or are we all keeping our day jobs & doing sex work part time? I mean, ffs we at least need people to design, build, maintain & fix computers, computer programs, tablets, smartphones, websites, tvs, dvd players, cameras, the robots that build these things, etc so we can record & view our porn!!! Jeez!
@@oxkit0katxo413 well Destiny will still be designing all the robots in the world so that should be fine. Everyone else will do things because they love it, obviously.
What even is this argument? "Casinos arent bad in the same way as porn because most of them are owned by the indigenous population." So I guess BPF's argument is that minority groups should get the monopoly power on porn. Well, perhaps this will help solve the wealth gap.
Literally what I was thinking. This fucker was getting personal as shit and I feel like the only reason Steven didn't hit back was because she was a woman.
@Xavier E BPF's wife: I'll bet your parents are a couple of loopy lefties Destiny's Parents: Nice to meet you. Did you know Trump had the election stolen from him?
@@menkaragamble8175 To be fair Destiny did get a bit personal and said some pretty fucking rude things to her. (Not nearly as severe as her and he didn’t even cast the first stone)
All casinos are in one place? Like Atlantic City, Detroit, Atlanta, City of Commerce, All there out Texas, Bingo halls in churches. You know the 1 place.
“I find it interesting that Conservatives claim to be for individual liberties and personal freedoms, and then tell people they can’t do sex work if they freely choose to do so at a legal age.” I was actually thinking the same thing. Right wingers love to talk about how they are the side of freedom and individual liberty, but we have two right wingers that want to make it illegal for two consensual adults have sex for money and maybe even crack down on porn.
@@Ancor3 True. Also, there’s certainly more of an argument that religion itself is worse for society than sexwork/prom could ever be. But try bad religion and see how they complain of state tyranny. Honestly most right wingers know they’re full of shit, they just don’t want to ruin their optics by being truthful.
when i was 16 and fell into some right wing communities (thankfully nothing extreme, just "fuck commies, markets are best when as free as possible" kinda thing) that was my biggest frustration with them. how can you claim you're about "that freedom" but constantly want to take rights away from people who want to do as they please? how can you accept some vices that degrade society somewhat but not others? one thing is to not like it, and maybe even judge it, another is to want to ban it
@@4thzone697 The effects of religion is certainly an interesting conversation. Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson talk about it, and despite any beliefs on either of them I personally found the talk interesting
Covid has killed more people then porn ever has. They knowing that they are fascists they would probably say that all the wasted loads are dead children or some shit
"So, you said that these things are the negative." "Yes." "We all agree that these things are negative." "Yes." "So if these things weren't here, and the negatives didn't exist, this would be acceptable?" "No."
SEXUAL MARKET VALUE??????? she was literally talking about how destiny is misogynistic for not caring that sex work exists and now she uses this argument to justify her belief????
I don't get the "there's no sexual market value" argument. I think the analogy is spot on. Is it a political correctness thing? Or in other words, do you actually believe that it's actually invalid? Or are you more in the "it may be true but we shouldn't acknowledge it because it's impolite" camp? I personally believe it's valid and fits as analogy because the world at large is pretty shallow whether we would want to admit it publicly or not.
@@TheEndsJustifyTheMemes I guess I don't really have an opinion on the argument itself because I don't really measure the value of other people with that metric, but I suppose I'd be in the camp that we shouldn't be measuring people by that metric because it's disrespectful
@@TheEndsJustifyTheMemes Well technically her smv would be low as a home schooled mother with 4 kids, so maybe it's just self projection and jealousy showing. In reality, women tend to have a little more sex than men on average and given the invention of birth control - having lots of sex doesn't usually have any more negative outcomes than it does for men. her point was just a made up word, it's not real so what's there to acknowledge?
I feel bad for her kids. She seems like the type of person who truly believes she's the best mom in the world, meanwhile she's probably just pushing her kids away and I have no doubt she'll disown them if they decide to start pushing back against her crazy views. That's usually the way it goes with these people. They're all about protecting their precious children until their children choose to start thinking for themselves.
@@Kitties_are_pretty OP’s talking about the fetishizing of the constitution. Hence why he compared it to the Christian Bible. I’d say the vast majority of Americans respect and appreciate the constitution (as we should, like you said it stopped Trump from leading a coup). But only roughly half fetishize it.
Bastiat Destiny is a really enjoyable combo. Also i love how the facist woman came to the debate with prepared studies and so on, to play the 'logical' role, but when pressed she instantly switched to "we have sooooouuuuls not just meat suits this isn't like working at McDonald's because sex is big eww and McDonald's is just a little eww"
It was a joke because he took a way long time to come back to the desk and they were all waiting on him, he knew he took a while and that they would at least be joking about it. It’s a joke
BPF: Sex work is bad because the outcomes are bad for everyone involved and so should be banned. *Continuously chain smokes the entire 4 hour discussion
When Destiny said he just enjoyed fast food and jerking off and not necessarily thought they were good, she probably felt a sense of relief and less guilty about the fact that she definitely watches the most hardcore shit.
Maybe she wishes that she had thr freedom to let her sexuality free but has to repress it like many of the right, only to then come out later in life and maybe fuck up their family
@Shawn Brink The irony is that she seems to be indulging herself in the very ways that she protests. Perhaps she doth protest too much? It is a sad existence to have to deny yourself the very things you enjoy.
This conversation would have been way less chaotic if it was constrained to either prostitution or pornography. The overarching umbrella of 'sex work' made for a lot of bouncing around.
Bastiat and chain smoking dipsh"t also weren't really the ones capable/good at discussing the topic. Destiny vs dumbsh"t homeschooled would have flowed better and taken 1/4 of the time for more points.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 bastiate struggled as some parts by overqualifiyng and needed destiny to keep him on track. He did help ground the argument by separating the difference between, legality and advertising.
Everytime the BPFs were asked why pornography was wrong, they brought up the unrelated study about human trafficking linked to prostitution and acted like that proved anything.
Her best argument could have been “anyone at any time can upload homemade porn videos to sites and it’s harder to regulate. This should be changed” That would be something I actually could agree with.
@@hannah34218 She tried to make that argument by saying that CP is uploaded but CP is already illegal and the majority already think that's moral. Regulating porn online to some extent is a very moderate solution to illegal content but that's a far cry from banning all porn and doesn't justify a desire to do so.
1:17:45 Destiny: things like having a social welfare net or a social safety net or different disagreements on border policy is not the same as making illegal the consentual activity between two adults *at the same time* Rachel: why not? BPF: yes we're aware of that
Look at flesh, see only potential. Strands, sequences, twisting, separating, joining. See how it could be better. Eat flesh, splinter bone. Inside me, can touch it. Weave it. Spin it. Make it great.
@@GG-vl9xq I was joking, dude. The only thing there I'd consider banning (though even then I'd tend more towards regulating) is cigarettes as there is an argument to be made that you're always infringing on other people's well-being when you smoke, both by passive smoking and destroying the environment. That's of course just a discussion worth having, don't know where I actually stand on that.
@@Jotakumon dude I honestly wonder how many kids get fucked over because of home schooling. Especially since how often people do homeschooling because they want to teach their children the nonsense they believe in.
"Why should sex work be illegal?" "Because it has long term negative effects." "Like what?" "It somehow contributes to sex trafficking." "So if it didn't would you be okay with it being legal?" "No. "Why not?" "Because it would still have long term negative effects." "Like what?" "It somehow contributes to sex trafficking." Like bro come on just bite the bullet and say you want to outlaw it because you think it's gross and sinful.
@@aydenr5467 Plenty of Democratic god-fearing people too... I wish everybody would quit splitting all the stuff they can think of between two political lines. That's like saying " I have a gun" - all conservatives ever... I know a lot of Democrats that own guns, and a lot of Republicans who don't. But go on with your bad self
@Matias Martinez No shit nutsack... I was showing this wasn't supposed to be a partisan issue. I'm glad you can read but comprehension is half the battle.
@Matias Martinez The comment I was referring to was obviously partisan if you can't see that then you're either being disingenuous, or you need a life. As if people use conservative for anything other than the one political side. XD Also '87 Kiddo.
This is a very frustrating debate to watch especially because there are some pretty interesting points to bring up on both sides. Instead an argument gets presented with why it is positive and then BPF and Homeschooled Wife immediately ignore it and try to use tradition as a reason.
You can't say sex work is exploitative and demeaning because some chose to do it for the money, when that is the same reason you do any kind of work. All work is exploitative, but it's also the worker exploiting the business owner for money. "I'm doing this physical labor, you get money, I get money, all good?" is applied to all type of physical work, including sex work (with onlyfans butthole pictures being analogous to working desk-job). "Gangbang is degenerate" says you. "Getting a facial is demeaning" says you. "Sleeping with step-siblings is degenerate" says you. "Smelling like mcdonalds onion for a week is demeaning" says me. Who are they to decide what should be considered degenerate or demeaning? How can they so clearly not understand that all of these arguments about moral are nothing but their christian culture biases? The trafficking arguments are mute unless they also concede guns and cars and alcohol should be illegal. It's a balance of freedom versus safety that every single nation makes. Sorry for the rant, everyone watching this video probably had the same thoughts screaming in their heads; I just had to get it out! Good day sirs ans siresses.
The conservatives simply believe sexual interactions are sacred, and this is the base of all their arguments. A society where everyone was constantly naked because all nudity and sex was de-stigmatized would probably operate much like todays society, except everything would be slightly colder, there would most likely be more people having sex with people they didn't know well, and probably more difficult to prove rape (which sucks, but also there would be significantly less reason to rape if sex was less stigmatized).
The fact that no one pointed out that making pornography unavailable for free and always behind a paywall like she suggested would only result in MORE people doing pornography because now it is guaranteed that the consumers will have to pay for it.. really irritated me tho
~@42:00 Missouri has no reservations and 13 casinos. KC and STL the biggest cities here have 4 each. Nation wide 43 of the 50 states have casinos outside of reservations. WTF is this guy talking about?
Personally, out of the bigger left-leaning streamer figures, Destiny is my favorite. He seems like a cool dude, I would enjoy talking to him. I gave Vaush a good shot but slowly have moved away, hes good too, I just dont relate to a lot of his ways of thinking. Destiny isnt perfect, nobody on Earth is, but hes good at destroying these stupid brainworm ideas with very personally agreeable, relatable and supportable arguments, and is extremely witty and (can be) a smartass while doing it, I give him props too for dealing with these people like he does, being serious, it would be very difficult to do and stay mentally healthy, I'd have a hard time. I appreciate what he does, lol
he's the best all around in my view. he has so many tools at his disposal for when disseminating the opposing arguments while doing it with a very personalized touch where he comes off very human and relatable. He's also able meet them on their wavelength in order not to come off smug or dismissive.
I love how the 1960s is both "a really short period of time" ago as well as "really long time ago" depending on whether you are talking about pornography and the sexual revolution or racism and civil rights for minorities.
Final statement by Rachel: “not to appeal to moral decency but these guys like porn and gross..” Thought experiment: not to appeal to your moral decency big Poppa fascist but can you, as a thought experiment, justify to us why you are such a heavy chain smoker knowing all the risks involved with secondhand smoke on your children as all the data shows? can you argue this position to us why you’re knowingly killing your children and why BasedHomeScool is fine with this
As a Brit, she's completely incorrect about those food laws. I think she's confusing laws on eating types of food with our version of the food part of the FDA. Our food additives and preparations are more tightly regulated (generally speaking fewer of the demonstrated unhealthy additives/prep that are allowed in the US are labelled fit for human consumption) but no actual foods are illegal. If you want to import food from the US as a customer you totally can, you just can't make it here as a manufacturer, IIRC.
Ummm, many women actually enjoy having a lot of sex &/or being eye candy, which is in part why they choose to do sex work. Not every woman views sex solely as a means to procreate like Mama Fascist probably does. And not every woman feels “degraded” or “exploited” by doing it. But for those individuals who do, we should focus on making it easier & safer for them to leave the business.
@@narutofan4545 No, not at all. Bc a woman enjoys having a lot of sex? Men having big libidos is widely viewed as completely normal & acceptable in our society, yet when women do it must be bc of mental illness? Please explain that. Or were u joking?
Rachel says “70% of all divorces are initiated by women.“ 100% of all divorces begin with marriage. So I guess that means no one should get married then. Further yet, if negative consequences dictates if something should be legal or illegal, then marriage should be illegal by that standard.
As someone who had to go into sex work....I can tell you that it should've been legal. It was bad enough for me personally, but to worry constantly about doing something illegal with fears of criminalization made it worse. I definitely was under duress when I chose to perform for income. I was losing everything and was desperate to stay afloat. I hated it and I really wasn't good at it, but because of it, I got to live independently for 6 months. Turns out, it wasn't a job I could do, so I quit and lost everything anyway....including almost losing my life. I still believe it should be legalized for anyone who can do such work because it can actually help you thrive.
“Sex work leads to more trafficking therefore bad.” Is such a ridiculous argument, imagine unironically applying this to other situations. “Revealing clothes are linked with an increase in sexual assault, so revealing clothes should be criminalised” “A greater amount of guns correlates to gun crime, therefore ban guns” “The more woman in the workplace, the higher the chance of sexual assault. Let’s ban women from working” All of these arguments follow the exact same logic, where victims of an abuse/crime are being given the blame for something illegal that is done to them. How idiotic can people make themselves appear.
You know the funny thing about those two religious conservatives is they try to point the example of Thailand being the example of legalized sex work leading to more trafficking, but what they forgot to mention is that sex work in Thailand is illegal by law in that country, so they're either dumb as fuck with also not doing their research or they're lying, Another thing is the countries ( New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, and Finland ) that have a form of legalization / decriminalization of sex work with also having great economies and a strong social safety net for the average person have less trafficking, then we got other countries ( like Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and North Korea ) that have a criminalization of sex work with also having mediocre economies to terrible economies for the average person have more trafficking.
Sure you can if you are are pro capitalism but also pro regulated markets. Destiny's and Bastiat's positions are pro-capitalist and could hypothetically be anti-sex work if they believed the evidence was overwhelmingly that it was a societal negative. I don't really ever hear Destiny advocate for legalization of Heroin for example, because I doubt he thinks that would be a net positive for society, despite it being more pro-capitalist. The issue with the facist fam is that they apply a subjective moral framework to their capitalistic mentality while pre-supposing that everything they will legalize is an obvious positive and everything they illegalize is obviously a negative, but then when their position is picked apart they just fall back on subjective morality because it's the one area they can't really lose on since it's so subjective; and in the case of Big mama facist - she can't even see that her positions only make sense from her pre-suppositional conservative christian mama framework.
@@TheMightyBone good points, I guess I should be more clear on my point. I should have stated "being anti sex work ie anti capitalist" or something along those lines. Your 2nd paragraph is 100% spot on, and your 1st paragraph does a great job adding more nuance
This ownership of family is stupid. “What if your mind did porn!!?” Why do I have a right to tell my mom she can or can’t do porn or should or shouldn’t do porn Along with a sister daughter son or brother
You can voice disapproval or disagreement in their interest, it’s what family is there for. They’re supposed to tell you when you’re making a bad decision when others are afraid to hurt your feelings.
@@JustinWillhoit In the modern day? Because I think workers in the industry are prone to exploitation. Plus there’s a social stigma to the whole thing. There’s plenty of reasons why someone might object to a loved one wanting to enter it.
Debates like this really make me self reflect on how important those middle school and high school English classes were where the teacher would make kids read a passage and ask what the main idea was or put into their own words what the author was trying to convey. So many of these conservatives are just incapable of comprehending what the arguments being made are and I find myself both extremely thankful for my education and kicking my past self for saying that school was useless.
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Destiny has debated against like 4 right wingers the past 2 days and today TheSerfs and Vaush are calling Destiny fascist adjacent on twitter 😆
As a liberal I hate socialists, they’re about as honest as conservatives.
@@gyytgy3330 I'm a socialist. Please don't generalize. I don’t do so with liberals or conservatives. No one should.
And if you think socialists are akin to conservatives then I'd ask how and why? Cause Vaush? Cause The Serfs?
Right winger here... So they want to criminalize the filming of porn on top of prostitution? The porn thing is never going to be politically profitable. It cannot happen, especially after reviewing the % of participation in porn viewing. IDC what state you are in, even in Cali where most votes goes to the Dems... If you're not part of a swing state, whichever politician on the dominant side of the votes would propose that... Would be effectively turning the color of his state.
14:05 : synchronization in reaction to being called meager. quite beautiful
@Kyle Kyle The problem is that Homeschooling is not regulated as well unlike public school. In Public Schooling you aren't required to teach by any standardized teaching materials.
Bastiat: "disgust-based arguments are bad because they're subjective."
Homeschooled wife: "No! It is icky and it's gross! "
F A C T S AND L O G I C
How tf did you get those emojis, is this a paid feature ?
@@swaggitypigfig8413 Yeah, they're paid. You need to become a member of Destinys channel to get them. :)
@@swaggitypigfig8413 yup if ur a channel member ur can use emotes in livestream and comments
I thought this comment was an exaggeration as a joke but she literally says it. This is a quote.
“I think it’s yucky therefore I want it banned.” This is why you don’t homeschool your kids.
Home school can be really good if it's done right. But it's very error prone because parents sometimes decide to teach their ideology which can get in the way of valuable knowledge.
@@spacedoohicky *sigh* Alabama
@@Guccipoooch Probably sometimes. Yes.
@@spacedoohicky yeah I completely agree. However, I think it’s not really ideology, but rather refusing to let their kids socialize out of some fear that they will be corrupted. I was home schooled and I think I turned out significantly less ghoulish than other homeschooled kids, and that’s probably because I was allowed to participate in sports and socialize like normal people.
@@joeym8915 You're probably right about that.
Destiny’s comparison to guns absolutely broke them. “Both are fun to shoot.” 😂
Lemme get da timestamp pls
We've all seen full metal jacket.
@@ShengFink 😂 23:00
I mean he lists other reasons for guns and explains why that argument was bad. I guess that's broken to you 🤷♂️
Watching Destiny & Bastiat "debate" people who don't understand how an argument works is kind of hilarious but also highly frustrating.
It's like watching people try and have a conversation in too (edit - two) different languages.
First time?
Guy’s reasoning:
- “it’s bad because it’s bad. Why? Because it’s bad.”
Girl’s reasoning:
-“as a mother with two daughters”
-“as a woman”
- “ *…gAnG bAnGs* ”
IDENTITY POLITICS
banging identity politics
They are always what they hate lol
I had forgotten she was a woman... and that she was a mother... and that she has 4 girls
so its good?
"You didn't have a good momma" the irony here is how similar she is to Destiny's mom xD
I didn’t even make that connection, but holy shit…you’re right. Destiny’s mom is a very “traditionally conservative” woman who’s voted for Trump twice. Based Homeschool Mom and her would get along great 🤣
Holy shit scardor on a destiny vid, I used to watch your maplestory videos all the time I just don't play anymore
neither did she if her mother was the one homeschooling her
@@azazel6768 lol Hiya
Damnnnn missed opportunity for Destiny to have replied with that.
Imagine being a chain smoker that wants to ban porn because it's bad for society.
He also doesn't want to take the vaccine because he thinks it's poison, when he smoked an entire pack of cigs in a few hours lol. conservative logic, not even once.
I will never get this. Pure destilled idiocracy.
@Shawn Brink well..... smoking tobacco is bad for society and people's health. Let me know when getting in a good tug job causes cancer.
@Shawn Brink porns not bad? Please explain why you think it is. And don't use religion as a excuse.
@Shawn Brink You do understand that the purpose of increased taxation is to fund the health cost burden to society for said individuals who kill themselves slowly with tobacco right?
Do you know how much the porn industry costs USA in terms of healthcare?
I'll wait...
mrs fascist "...and some of this porno, it's just awful, what people watch in their spare time, who would do this?" mr fascist: [smoking furiously intensifies]
Smoking doesn't hurt the soul, duh
@@Tube_Chaser of course it does, what do you think smokers cough is? Its the soul trying to escape from the spark of satan.
These people tryna act moral while engaging on some unhealthy behaviors.
I hate smokers way more than I hate porn, both are bad for society, but I can choose not to watch porn and make people around me not watch it, but if someone smokes nearby... yeah... second and third hand smoke... Disgusting and really bad for the health of the people around the smokers themselves , even if they don't smoke at all
@@testaccount1657 thatsthejoke.jpg
Destiny: How is sex work exploitative?
Rachel: GANGBANGS!
Sex work isnt inherently bad but the reality is that most only end up in that arena due to dire financial situations and those specific instances are fucked. Sex work is pog outside of that tho
Get owned, libs.
To use the immortal words of Ted Cruz: *FREEEEEDOOOOM*
Fine print:
_But only for the things I want._
@@sleepykyokoxoxo ...or "bang". lol
@Andrew Stevenson Amazin'.
“If your mom was better you would” - *Woman who agrees 1000% with Ms Bonnell in terms of philosophy.*
LMAO TRUE HE SHOULDVE SAID THAT
Destiny: What is bad about sex work?
Her: "Hang on lemme just pull out my SOUL MATH for this one chief"
Like at least appeal to the potential psychological effects, there's probably a sound argument to be made there somewhere.
But the soul math is just laughable
@@SirLied yeah but the problem with that is she would have to prove those psychological effects are intrinsic, which I bet she believes but could no way prove, so she sticks to soul math lmao. I think she mentioned the psych effects offhandedly but unfortunately nobody really focussed on it.
@@midget3048 You wouldn't have to argue that the psychological effects are intrinsic, just harmful enough to consider constraining legally.
For example, it's possible that a 15 year old could have no ill psychological effects of having a sexual relationship with an older person. But it's prevalent enough at that age for such outcomes to manifest that we as a society make a blanket ban on that activity rather than risk a case by case basis.
It's also really hard to quantify psychological damage in many cases as it can vary so much between individuals, which is another reason we just use a zero tolerance policy to circumvent such problems.
Omg... I'm barely into the video but these comments have me excited to learn more about what the fuck 'soul math' is...
These moral puritans are terrible at making the “conservative” argument.
David frum says it best.... Conservatism doesn't just try to conserve. It almost always exclusively defends the aristocracy against the rights of labor using cultural tools tool galvanize ppl to their position.
They did not have a conservative argument. All the reasons they gave to make porn illegal were from a Christian theocracy point of view. Kinda like shariah law but in merica. They said it thems selves many times in this conversation, even if porn harmed no one they would still be against it because they think it’s yucky.
@@jamesu3816 so it’s trying to conserve the elites system?
@@commieloli5182 or trying to expand it, but yes generally historically yes attempting to conserve their control economically.
But I just point out that they don't just conserve the status quo, in many ways they want to overturn status quo if it interferes with elitist control. IE they don't want to conserve the current labor rights we have and worked broadly during the 20th century to overturn it. They don't want to conserve the tax code but usually want to change it to benefit the elite.
@@commieloli5182 no offense but your name makes me want to blow my brains all over my kitchen sink.
Arguments for sex work and porn between both parties.
The left: I think we should legalize and regulate a practice that many do and like (pay for sex) and keep it legal (porn) so that we can make it safer as well as maintain that freedom.
The right: It’s ikky and it's gross, and I don’t like it! Ban it.
This statement is an accurate summary.
@@niceyniceyzoozoo836 Thanks, and the thing about it being ikky and gross is literally what the Conservative woman said.
@@GO-GO_SO-SO I know. If this is the best right-wingers have to demand fascistic restrictions on people's rights, I genuinely fear for the future.
Funny that the right typically uses the "slippery slope" as a defense but will literally be arguing about prostitution while letting you know they'd also wanna ban porn.
It seems like right-wingers also want sex work to be banned because they want people who engage in it to not only be legally punished but also punished by other societal dangers. They would love to see sex workers being exploited by pimps, abused by clients, risk being infected with STDs, being outright murdered or raped, etc. rather than provide their service in a safe and secure environment. There's ample evidence that legalizing and regulating current social taboos related to issues like abortion, drug use, or prostitution reduces harm overall but they either ignore this evidence out of pre-determined ideological reasons or because they actively wish harm upon people who make different life choices than themselves. They don't care that people still do sex work or use drugs even when those things are banned. Rather, they want to see those people suffer.
“Sex work is bad for you”
*puffs cigarette*
Rachel is definitely homeschooled yes.
It falls on her parents then. I was homeschooled for 5 years & I don't believe any of this crazy conspiracy nonsense
@@Seaneey I think the joke is that homeschooling is bad because parents usually have jobs so they can’t do what a full time teacher does USUALLY. If your parents are the exception that’s great. But I think the consensus is clear that most parents , who aren’t teachers by trade, do not perform as well or better than professional teachers
@@Sprite_525 Yeah I can see that 😅 I went into middle school knowing square roots and long division
It's funny how hard leftist fear and hate homeschooling. Lambs as they are.
I think the joke is more focused on the religious and anti-science type of homeschooled people...
My mans papa fascist chain-smoking cigarettes while talking about how terrible porn addiction is
The lack of self awareness is great.
It’s literally the equivalent of the state banning cigarettes, which i’m sure he would be opposed to.
@@addmin5487because he doesn’t find it yucky. Literal hypocrite he is
Historically, social conservatism has had way worse consequences for society than sex work. Maybe we should restrict the former instead.
I'm honestly not sure where you draw that comparison
@@Zach0451 the comparison makes sense, you just have low comprehension skills.
restrict neither since restricting beliefs is retarded
@@wtfimcrying restrict all beliefs gang
@@wtfimcrying I agree. But if you're going to restrict individual rights based on the occasional external consequences of their excercise (as BPF and Co. were ostensibly advocating), then well, the most socially destructive right rn is Republicans' right to vote.
"If twitter can kick me off twitter, then all porn can easily be removed permanently from the internet"
- Homeschooled Mom
i mean theres only a few videos lets get it
Swede here. The study that Rachel points to basically concluded in very that "outdoor street prostitution _seemed_ to have decreased" after the laws were passed. This has been widely criticised due to the fact that street prostitution was never the most prevalent form of prostitution in sweden to begin with, _it's freaking cold here_ . This coupled with the fact that selling is not in fact criminalised here renders her argument moot.
I haven't read that study yet, but just based on the way she conducted herself throughout this debate and her overall mentality, I was already almost positive that she was probably heavily misinterpreting that study, or just outright misrepresenting it.
@@benjaminagostini8 make no mistake, the study itself is quite pro banning the purchase of sex services, but it's been widely criticized for its methodology
This is why we always laughed at the homeschooled kids.
@Shawn Brink
One girl couldn't read an analog clock by the age of 12, so yeah, we laughed at her. Kids are mean, that's her parents' fault for raising an idiot.
We also laughed at the other homeschooled kids that thought all of Earth's animals fit and survived on an ark during a global flood.
I'm sorry that laughing at morons triggers you... I'm sure your homeschooling went just fine.
😗
@Shawn Brink
He's making fun of people that got home schooled and turned out to be total morons. It depends on the way your parents want to teach you.
My favourite high-school memory was just making fun of the dumb conservative kids with the teacher. The way we phrased our comments were that it made fun of them for being racists, but they were too f"cking stupid to understand it. The most they caught on to was we were saying something bad about it but their reading level was too poor to understand it.
Gonna love that memory for the rest of my life.
@Shawn Brink bruh, “homeschool mom” over here is literally begging for attention on twitch/TH-cam. Like, that one was literally right in front of your face.
@Shawn Brink being taught in a “different manner” doesn’t make you exempt from criticism for being an imbecile. This isn’t an oblivious child, this is a fully grown adult that is proudly incapable of reconciling blaring inconsistency in their logic.
I think I lost brain cells listening to Rachel hahahah
Me too from her voice too
I feel you. I felt a couple of my brain cells unalive themselves in a video game while I was watching this video.
@@elfboy676 as long as it's in a video game.
2 minutes into this and I allready lost it. "We had two big revolutions...(so far so good)... Firsy one was Feminism, mostly here in the west §£@&©®}¿¿¿" - Fhuu. Not sure what she said next cause a fuse blew up in my frontal cortex. I basically had a minor stroke. First was feminism? HELLO? INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION? The thing that literally led up to thr Women rights movement and other big shake ups. Womens rights movement not Feminism.Historically Feminism existed for milenia. It was always present in one way or another. MOSTLY HERE IN THE WEST? NEFERTITI? CLEOPATRA? SHEBA? EMPRESS THEODORA? KATARINE THE GREAT? QIU JIN? NAZIK EL ABID (1887 SYRIAN ACTIVIST)? Nbara Salam al Khalidi? MILUNKA SAVIC THE MOST DECORATED FEMSLE COMBATANT IN RECORDED HISTORY OF WARFERE? NADIA MURAD? ... NOT ONLY IS SHE UNEDUCATED AND STUPID BUT ALSO A BIGOT. G E T Y O U R H E A D O U T O F Y O U R A M E R I C A N A S S !!! Almost all great women throught history were "Easterners" . The reason you "Westerners" wont shut up about feminsim, human rights... Etc. Is because you are misogenists, you are rascist, you are fascist and you hide your amoral dictatorial regime tendencies behind a mask of false democracy. KEEP YOUR "DIRTY LOUNDRY" TO YOURSELF, NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE NEWEST SHIT YOU MADE. ps. I apologize to all the normal people who coexist in the "West" with these lonetics.
I love seeing Bastiat come out of his shell a bit. This tag team is legendary
The events of Coconut Island make Bastiat very familiar with sex work.
😂😂😂😂😂
Bastiat did better than destiny tbh
@@pengwin_ I think they both did well. I love it when Bastiat goes on a passionate rant about a given topic
very on-brand for someone named papa fascist to not comprehend the concept of "your freedom ends where my rights begin"
Mama Fascist: “If everyone was a sex worker, would that be good for society?”
Me: “If everyone was an art teacher, would that be good for society?”
Even “good things” sound bad when discussed in extreme terms.
Syndrome: And when everyone is a sex worker no one will be.
Seriously though thats exactly what I would say. The market wouldn't exist then. So no money anymore, people do it because they want to like she said. She just invented casual sex. Maybe some people would be open to more sexual experiences if money was involved. Now we rereinvented sex work. But if everyone...
@@joemamajoastar8708 💯
@@justsumguy5991 And besides that, who’s going to do all the other jobs? Or are we all keeping our day jobs & doing sex work part time?
I mean, ffs we at least need people to design, build, maintain & fix computers, computer programs, tablets, smartphones, websites, tvs, dvd players, cameras, the robots that build these things, etc so we can record & view our porn!!! Jeez!
@@oxkit0katxo413 well Destiny will still be designing all the robots in the world so that should be fine. Everyone else will do things because they love it, obviously.
The hypotheticals this lady came up with are hypotheticals only a homeschooler could come up with lmao
SO WHAT IF EVERYBODY DOES IT WOULD THAT BE GOOD OR BAD
What even is this argument?
"Casinos arent bad in the same way as porn because most of them are owned by the indigenous population."
So I guess BPF's argument is that minority groups should get the monopoly power on porn. Well, perhaps this will help solve the wealth gap.
I fully support this idea
They probably think the souls of minorities are damaged/incomplete anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
@@hidde3508 like mormons?
Funniest comment i have seen in a destiny video.
Yeah that'd be cool. And while we are at it, give black people the weed industry.
I’m not a wet meat suit, Destiny. I’m a frozen meat popsicle.
I'm a dry meat suit
You get a multi pass
Smoke you!!!
Drinking game: take a shot every time she says "I am a woman and a mother of 4 daughters"
Or every time she says gang bang.
@@MaryMaryMary. people that did that already have 911 called
Her poor daughters
Wow she unironically went for a dig at his mom lmao and then had the gall to say "sorry you dont have a sense of decency".
Literally what I was thinking. This fucker was getting personal as shit and I feel like the only reason Steven didn't hit back was because she was a woman.
@Xavier E BPF's wife: I'll bet your parents are a couple of loopy lefties
Destiny's Parents: Nice to meet you. Did you know Trump had the election stolen from him?
@@bobjenkins4925 "Did you know that the country of Africa said trump is their favourite president?"
@@menkaragamble8175 you can see his reaction of wanting to clap back but restraining himself cause TOS
@@menkaragamble8175 To be fair Destiny did get a bit personal and said some pretty fucking rude things to her. (Not nearly as severe as her and he didn’t even cast the first stone)
All casinos are in one place? Like Atlantic City, Detroit, Atlanta, City of Commerce, All there out Texas, Bingo halls in churches. You know the 1 place.
Duh Earf
am I memeing daddy?
Throw western Washington in there as wel
@@smiling5310 Yeah Yeah in that 1 single place
Plus a lot of river boats all over.
@AJ C Yeah in that other 1 single place.
“I find it interesting that Conservatives claim to be for individual liberties and personal freedoms, and then tell people they can’t do sex work if they freely choose to do so at a legal age.”
I was actually thinking the same thing. Right wingers love to talk about how they are the side of freedom and individual liberty, but we have two right wingers that want to make it illegal for two consensual adults have sex for money and maybe even crack down on porn.
Not arguing against you but there's no way everything will always be "to code" so I feel this question is if the option is beneficial or detrimental
@@Ancor3 True. Also, there’s certainly more of an argument that religion itself is worse for society than sexwork/prom could ever be. But try bad religion and see how they complain of state tyranny. Honestly most right wingers know they’re full of shit, they just don’t want to ruin their optics by being truthful.
when i was 16 and fell into some right wing communities (thankfully nothing extreme, just "fuck commies, markets are best when as free as possible" kinda thing) that was my biggest frustration with them. how can you claim you're about "that freedom" but constantly want to take rights away from people who want to do as they please? how can you accept some vices that degrade society somewhat but not others? one thing is to not like it, and maybe even judge it, another is to want to ban it
Really firing off the generalizations. I guess everyone on the left is a communist?
@@4thzone697 The effects of religion is certainly an interesting conversation. Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson talk about it, and despite any beliefs on either of them I personally found the talk interesting
It's really nice when a chain smoking lunatic explains how addiction to porn is more damaging whiel tobacco kills 480 000 people in the US per year.
Covid has killed more people then porn ever has. They knowing that they are fascists they would probably say that all the wasted loads are dead children or some shit
"So, you said that these things are the negative."
"Yes."
"We all agree that these things are negative."
"Yes."
"So if these things weren't here, and the negatives didn't exist, this would be acceptable?"
"No."
I can’t believe how un-American BPF and his wife are
Based on his name alone, I believe it.
SEXUAL MARKET VALUE??????? she was literally talking about how destiny is misogynistic for not caring that sex work exists and now she uses this argument to justify her belief????
pure incel moment
And aren’t porn stars and strippers like hella hot and high on the sexual market value??
I don't get the "there's no sexual market value" argument. I think the analogy is spot on. Is it a political correctness thing? Or in other words, do you actually believe that it's actually invalid? Or are you more in the "it may be true but we shouldn't acknowledge it because it's impolite" camp?
I personally believe it's valid and fits as analogy because the world at large is pretty shallow whether we would want to admit it publicly or not.
@@TheEndsJustifyTheMemes I guess I don't really have an opinion on the argument itself because I don't really measure the value of other people with that metric, but I suppose I'd be in the camp that we shouldn't be measuring people by that metric because it's disrespectful
@@TheEndsJustifyTheMemes Well technically her smv would be low as a home schooled mother with 4 kids, so maybe it's just self projection and jealousy showing.
In reality, women tend to have a little more sex than men on average and given the invention of birth control - having lots of sex doesn't usually have any more negative outcomes than it does for men. her point was just a made up word, it's not real so what's there to acknowledge?
I feel bad for her kids. She seems like the type of person who truly believes she's the best mom in the world, meanwhile she's probably just pushing her kids away and I have no doubt she'll disown them if they decide to start pushing back against her crazy views. That's usually the way it goes with these people. They're all about protecting their precious children until their children choose to start thinking for themselves.
Why do Americans act like the constitution is the bible?
An even better question is why do Americans act like the constitution wasn’t made for the sole purpose of being changed in the future lmao
The fact that Americans follow the constitution is the reason Donald Trump wasn't able to overthrow American democracy a few months ago.
Half of Americans. Conservatives.
@@Kitties_are_pretty OP’s talking about the fetishizing of the constitution. Hence why he compared it to the Christian Bible. I’d say the vast majority of Americans respect and appreciate the constitution (as we should, like you said it stopped Trump from leading a coup). But only roughly half fetishize it.
@@jeremias-serus In the same sense they generalized people in America that you corrected, you generalized conservatives.
Bastiat Destiny is a really enjoyable combo.
Also i love how the facist woman came to the debate with prepared studies and so on, to play the 'logical' role, but when pressed she instantly switched to "we have sooooouuuuls not just meat suits this isn't like working at McDonald's because sex is big eww and McDonald's is just a little eww"
"Welcome back"
"I know you been talking shit about me ok?"
God I wish more people could just be this straight up sometimes.
Timestamp?
Beginning of the video
It was a joke because he took a way long time to come back to the desk and they were all waiting on him, he knew he took a while and that they would at least be joking about it. It’s a joke
BPF: Sex work is bad because the outcomes are bad for everyone involved and so should be banned.
*Continuously chain smokes the entire 4 hour discussion
Can’t wait to get put this on in the background while I play battlefield
I am doing that in 45 minutes
BF4?
Bouta do this with guilty gear and have a stroke
Only league.
Battlefield 1 is free rn if you have prime
"Porn is very well documented as a form of psychological warfare."
I'm not fapping to hentai, I'm training for the theatre of war.
This woman knew way too much about the types of porn that are popular and yet constantly said "it's gross". Lmao
When Destiny said he just enjoyed fast food and jerking off and not necessarily thought they were good, she probably felt a sense of relief and less guilty about the fact that she definitely watches the most hardcore shit.
Maybe she wishes that she had thr freedom to let her sexuality free but has to repress it like many of the right, only to then come out later in life and maybe fuck up their family
@junkmail Nah dude she watches Blacked Raw.
@Shawn Brink The irony is that she seems to be indulging herself in the very ways that she protests.
Perhaps she doth protest too much?
It is a sad existence to have to deny yourself the very things you enjoy.
@Shawn Brink more than 1k comments on destinys chanel lmao guy stop malding
This conversation would have been way less chaotic if it was constrained to either prostitution or pornography. The overarching umbrella of 'sex work' made for a lot of bouncing around.
Bastiat and chain smoking dipsh"t also weren't really the ones capable/good at discussing the topic. Destiny vs dumbsh"t homeschooled would have flowed better and taken 1/4 of the time for more points.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 bastiate struggled as some parts by overqualifiyng and needed destiny to keep him on track. He did help ground the argument by separating the difference between, legality and advertising.
Everytime the BPFs were asked why pornography was wrong, they brought up the unrelated study about human trafficking linked to prostitution and acted like that proved anything.
Her best argument could have been “anyone at any time can upload homemade porn videos to sites and it’s harder to regulate. This should be changed” That would be something I actually could agree with.
@@hannah34218 She tried to make that argument by saying that CP is uploaded but CP is already illegal and the majority already think that's moral. Regulating porn online to some extent is a very moderate solution to illegal content but that's a far cry from banning all porn and doesn't justify a desire to do so.
TFW the guy who refers to himself as a fascist saying "that's anti-american"
Your entire existence is anti-american....
Fascist lady: “I don’t think…” full stop.
1:17:45
Destiny: things like having a social welfare net or a social safety net or different disagreements on border policy is not the same as making illegal the consentual activity between two adults
*at the same time*
Rachel: why not?
BPF: yes we're aware of that
This needs more upvotes.
"There is no onherent right to emgage in sex work."
The freedom of association clause of the 1st Amendment would like to gave a word with you.
Ironically enough destinys moms probably more in line with this woman
When the homeschool mom brought up consequentialism I finished my bingo card
My favorite quote is at 57:20
"Are there gonna be men being f***ed by like 12 women too?"
"Sure"
"This society is based. Sign me up"
Its called reverse gangbang
BPF white knighting and defending his wife whenever she's being stupid is cute
It’s disgusting and endearing at the same time lmao
Enablers are pretty cute
14:07 synchronization complete. Destiny has now taken over Bastion's body and mind
Look at flesh, see only potential. Strands, sequences, twisting, separating, joining. See how it could be better. Eat flesh, splinter bone. Inside me, can touch it. Weave it. Spin it. Make it great.
i burst out laughing when he proposed that all casinos are operated by native americans
She really needs to get ACTUALLY schooled.
Her daughters tried to make an only fans and used the "muh freedom" argument? Based daughters, maybe homeschooling isn't so bad after all
It’s hard to take someone seriously when they unironically use the words “yucky” and “icky” to describe something.
This debate actually caused me to change my mind
Home schooling should be made illegal. May God have mercy on the souls of these psychopaths children
Btw she is completely wrong about the UK and fast food laws.
I’m imagining this lady living up in the mountains holding Paul Sheldon captive. Next sentence she talks about is hobbling. LMAO
Not hobbling, gangbangs.
Ngl, Rachel is kind right: if something is detrimental to you or society, we should ban it. This is why all countries should ban homeschooling.
What about alcohol, junkfood, cigarettes... then?
@@GG-vl9xq I was joking, dude. The only thing there I'd consider banning (though even then I'd tend more towards regulating) is cigarettes as there is an argument to be made that you're always infringing on other people's well-being when you smoke, both by passive smoking and destroying the environment. That's of course just a discussion worth having, don't know where I actually stand on that.
@@Jotakumon true! Thanks for clarifying
@@Jotakumon dude I honestly wonder how many kids get fucked over because of home schooling. Especially since how often people do homeschooling because they want to teach their children the nonsense they believe in.
"Why should sex work be illegal?"
"Because it has long term negative effects."
"Like what?"
"It somehow contributes to sex trafficking."
"So if it didn't would you be okay with it being legal?"
"No.
"Why not?"
"Because it would still have long term negative effects."
"Like what?"
"It somehow contributes to sex trafficking."
Like bro come on just bite the bullet and say you want to outlaw it because you think it's gross and sinful.
No no no... They did say that, they just didn't want to stop saying that.
Because GOD.
Every conservative argument in a nutshell.
@@aydenr5467
Plenty of Democratic god-fearing people too... I wish everybody would quit splitting all the stuff they can think of between two political lines. That's like saying
" I have a gun" - all conservatives ever...
I know a lot of Democrats that own guns, and a lot of Republicans who don't.
But go on with your bad self
@Matias Martinez
No shit nutsack... I was showing this wasn't supposed to be a partisan issue.
I'm glad you can read but comprehension is half the battle.
@Matias Martinez
The comment I was referring to was obviously partisan if you can't see that then you're either being disingenuous, or you need a life.
As if people use conservative for anything other than the one political side. XD
Also '87
Kiddo.
The editor is honestly making these intros so good that I'm literally hyped af to start watching these debates
"when you sexually 'exploitate' them"
her homeschool is showing
not all homeschooled people are this way
@@ashn.3364 didn't ask plus you're female
@@pattiesonamfgrill minor spelling mistake
You lose.
@@Johnson-br2lw where at bud please be my guest and educate me
@@pattiesonamfgrill it's a meme
What food is banned in the UK? She's talking about food dyes and additives with links to ADHD and cancer? Those were banned under reasons of health.
alot of countries are getting on the reduce/ban trans fat bandwagon. i think that's what she's referring to?
There are health regulations for things like calorie count, sugar, and fat which limit what can be sold.
Destiny was doing "one small favour" quest in the background. That's why this debates got spicier then usual.
Explains a lot.
One "small" favour what scam name for a quest that took me weeks to pull myself together to do
This is a very frustrating debate to watch especially because there are some pretty interesting points to bring up on both sides. Instead an argument gets presented with why it is positive and then BPF and Homeschooled Wife immediately ignore it and try to use tradition as a reason.
If I was their daughter and I saw this I would start an onlyfans account in an instant LMAO💀
You can't say sex work is exploitative and demeaning because some chose to do it for the money, when that is the same reason you do any kind of work.
All work is exploitative, but it's also the worker exploiting the business owner for money.
"I'm doing this physical labor, you get money, I get money, all good?" is applied to all type of physical work, including sex work (with onlyfans butthole pictures being analogous to working desk-job).
"Gangbang is degenerate" says you.
"Getting a facial is demeaning" says you.
"Sleeping with step-siblings is degenerate" says you.
"Smelling like mcdonalds onion for a week is demeaning" says me.
Who are they to decide what should be considered degenerate or demeaning?
How can they so clearly not understand that all of these arguments about moral are nothing but their christian culture biases?
The trafficking arguments are mute unless they also concede guns and cars and alcohol should be illegal.
It's a balance of freedom versus safety that every single nation makes.
Sorry for the rant, everyone watching this video probably had the same thoughts screaming in their heads; I just had to get it out!
Good day sirs ans siresses.
The conservatives simply believe sexual interactions are sacred, and this is the base of all their arguments. A society where everyone was constantly naked because all nudity and sex was de-stigmatized would probably operate much like todays society, except everything would be slightly colder, there would most likely be more people having sex with people they didn't know well, and probably more difficult to prove rape (which sucks, but also there would be significantly less reason to rape if sex was less stigmatized).
"Gaengbaeng!"
😂
“Mr and Mrs Fascist” nearly took me out. 😂😂😂
The fact that no one pointed out that making pornography unavailable for free and always behind a paywall like she suggested would only result in MORE people doing pornography because now it is guaranteed that the consumers will have to pay for it.. really irritated me tho
Bastiat came in clutch a couple times there. Love the 2v2 format.
Love the Bastiat and Destiny tag team.
Bastiat threw a good part of this match though and I'm reporting him for it. You want to do that shit in QP that's fine but this is comp.
~@42:00 Missouri has no reservations and 13 casinos. KC and STL the biggest cities here have 4 each. Nation wide 43 of the 50 states have casinos outside of reservations. WTF is this guy talking about?
Yeah was just driving in KC and drove past a casino
People are dunking on this lady for being home-schooled, but I don't think school would help her.
God bless this chick really embarrassed her self.
Personally, out of the bigger left-leaning streamer figures, Destiny is my favorite. He seems like a cool dude, I would enjoy talking to him. I gave Vaush a good shot but slowly have moved away, hes good too, I just dont relate to a lot of his ways of thinking. Destiny isnt perfect, nobody on Earth is, but hes good at destroying these stupid brainworm ideas with very personally agreeable, relatable and supportable arguments, and is extremely witty and (can be) a smartass while doing it, I give him props too for dealing with these people like he does, being serious, it would be very difficult to do and stay mentally healthy, I'd have a hard time. I appreciate what he does, lol
@@nyeusiknowledge4873 I feel like I just had a stroke reading this
@@nyeusiknowledge4873 did you legit type all that out or was that pasted? Lol
@@nyeusiknowledge4873 Jesse
@@jeremias-serus lmfao my sides exploded
he's the best all around in my view. he has so many tools at his disposal for when disseminating the opposing arguments while doing it with a very personalized touch where he comes off very human and relatable. He's also able meet them on their wavelength in order not to come off smug or dismissive.
The lack of respect and interruptions is disgusting
The editing is on point as always but why does the titles have to be so trash, gives that '2016 ben shaprio destroys with fact and logic' vibes
It gets views honey baby
I love how the 1960s is both "a really short period of time" ago as well as "really long time ago" depending on whether you are talking about pornography and the sexual revolution or racism and civil rights for minorities.
Final statement by Rachel: “not to appeal to moral decency but these guys like porn and gross..”
Thought experiment: not to appeal to your moral decency big Poppa fascist but can you, as a thought experiment, justify to us why you are such a heavy chain smoker knowing all the risks involved with secondhand smoke on your children as all the data shows? can you argue this position to us why you’re knowingly killing your children and why BasedHomeScool is fine with this
As a Brit, she's completely incorrect about those food laws. I think she's confusing laws on eating types of food with our version of the food part of the FDA. Our food additives and preparations are more tightly regulated (generally speaking fewer of the demonstrated unhealthy additives/prep that are allowed in the US are labelled fit for human consumption) but no actual foods are illegal. If you want to import food from the US as a customer you totally can, you just can't make it here as a manufacturer, IIRC.
Ummm, many women actually enjoy having a lot of sex &/or being eye candy, which is in part why they choose to do sex work. Not every woman views sex solely as a means to procreate like Mama Fascist probably does. And not every woman feels “degraded” or “exploited” by doing it. But for those individuals who do, we should focus on making it easier & safer for them to leave the business.
Lmao you wouldn't say said person is mentally ill?
@@narutofan4545 No, not at all. Bc a woman enjoys having a lot of sex? Men having big libidos is widely viewed as completely normal & acceptable in our society, yet when women do it must be bc of mental illness? Please explain that. Or were u joking?
@@narutofan4545 ok virgin hahaha
@@mohamedkhayat1095 you can have sex and not be a promiscuous idiot
But all power to you
Do as thou will
@@oxkit0katxo413 you wouldn't say sex addiction is harmful? Lol okay g
Watching two conservatives mock “muh freedoms” is bizarre
Rachel says “70% of all divorces are initiated by women.“ 100% of all divorces begin with marriage. So I guess that means no one should get married then. Further yet, if negative consequences dictates if something should be legal or illegal, then marriage should be illegal by that standard.
Not to mention most things in society 😅 bye bye driving
Or maybe only men should get married to each other that way 70% of divorces wouldn't happen
@@glassofmilk7598
Based bro marriages
The amount of times these two invoked the "your side believes this" card is maddening.
As someone who had to go into sex work....I can tell you that it should've been legal. It was bad enough for me personally, but to worry constantly about doing something illegal with fears of criminalization made it worse. I definitely was under duress when I chose to perform for income. I was losing everything and was desperate to stay afloat. I hated it and I really wasn't good at it, but because of it, I got to live independently for 6 months. Turns out, it wasn't a job I could do, so I quit and lost everything anyway....including almost losing my life. I still believe it should be legalized for anyone who can do such work because it can actually help you thrive.
“Sex work leads to more trafficking therefore bad.” Is such a ridiculous argument, imagine unironically applying this to other situations.
“Revealing clothes are linked with an increase in sexual assault, so revealing clothes should be criminalised”
“A greater amount of guns correlates to gun crime, therefore ban guns”
“The more woman in the workplace, the higher the chance of sexual assault. Let’s ban women from working”
All of these arguments follow the exact same logic, where victims of an abuse/crime are being given the blame for something illegal that is done to them. How idiotic can people make themselves appear.
You know the funny thing about those two religious conservatives is they try to point the example of Thailand being the example of legalized sex work leading to more trafficking, but what they forgot to mention is that sex work in Thailand is illegal by law in that country, so they're either dumb as fuck with also not doing their research or they're lying,
Another thing is the countries ( New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, and Finland ) that have a form of legalization / decriminalization of sex work with also having great economies and a strong social safety net for the average person have less trafficking, then we got other countries ( like Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and North Korea ) that have a criminalization of sex work with also having mediocre economies to terrible economies for the average person have more trafficking.
Being anti sex work is an anti free market take which I would argue is anti capitalist
they just want to grow inequality lmao
Sure you can if you are are pro capitalism but also pro regulated markets. Destiny's and Bastiat's positions are pro-capitalist and could hypothetically be anti-sex work if they believed the evidence was overwhelmingly that it was a societal negative. I don't really ever hear Destiny advocate for legalization of Heroin for example, because I doubt he thinks that would be a net positive for society, despite it being more pro-capitalist.
The issue with the facist fam is that they apply a subjective moral framework to their capitalistic mentality while pre-supposing that everything they will legalize is an obvious positive and everything they illegalize is obviously a negative, but then when their position is picked apart they just fall back on subjective morality because it's the one area they can't really lose on since it's so subjective; and in the case of Big mama facist - she can't even see that her positions only make sense from her pre-suppositional conservative christian mama framework.
@@TheMightyBone good points, I guess I should be more clear on my point. I should have stated "being anti sex work ie anti capitalist" or something along those lines. Your 2nd paragraph is 100% spot on, and your 1st paragraph does a great job adding more nuance
It would be more accurate to say you can't be anti sex work if you're pro free market.
@@Andrew-it7fb yeah I need to change my comment, to be better. I'll do that now actually
I think a good litmus test for intelligence (not an all-encompassing one of course) is the ability to engage with a hypothetical.
I feel so bad for this woman’s kids
See, this is why I try to avoid telling people I was homeschooled. People assume a lot based on experiences with people like this.
This ownership of family is stupid.
“What if your mind did porn!!?”
Why do I have a right to tell my mom she can or can’t do porn or should or shouldn’t do porn
Along with a sister daughter son or brother
You can voice disapproval or disagreement in their interest, it’s what family is there for. They’re supposed to tell you when you’re making a bad decision when others are afraid to hurt your feelings.
@@ChipCheerio why is doing porn a bad decision?
@@JustinWillhoit In the modern day? Because I think workers in the industry are prone to exploitation. Plus there’s a social stigma to the whole thing. There’s plenty of reasons why someone might object to a loved one wanting to enter it.
@@ChipCheerio object, and telling someone they can’t is not the same thing
Debates like this really make me self reflect on how important those middle school and high school English classes were where the teacher would make kids read a passage and ask what the main idea was or put into their own words what the author was trying to convey. So many of these conservatives are just incapable of comprehending what the arguments being made are and I find myself both extremely thankful for my education and kicking my past self for saying that school was useless.
Did this woman really use she's a women as a argument multiple times omg this is insane lol
"pornography can be a very harmful addiction" she says as her husband smokes two packs during a 3hr debate lol
I know it is not relevant to her arguments, but Rachel's voice is INTOLERABLE
She’s completely insufferable… 🤦🏼♂️