30 Amp DIY Wiring Updates for 4000W Heater
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- Remember my video I installed a heater: • Electric Patio Heater ...
I went back and made some necessary changes thanks to your comments!
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Did you catch my typo "Fauilure" in the video?! hopefully not! I should check my texts better!
Pretty sure you just did it on purpose for the laughs...
Will you make a video in the future about your solar panels
0:44 and now you also have to :
🎶Do it faster, makes us stronger🎶
🎶More than ever, hour after hour🎶
because
🎶Work is never over🎶
Most people don't know that most breakers will pop if the continuous load is more than 80% of the rated capacity of the breaker. So anything 24 amps or higher will usually cause a thermal trip after several minutes. 30amps is just the surge capacity that it can handle for brief moments, like when starting a motor for a compressor. Also, that plastic connector is only rated for non-metallic jacketed wire, it's not up to code for use with armoured cable. Of course, since the wire is "protected" where it goes through the wall, you could just use a small length of NMD-90 to go from the back of your 4x4 box to the side of your panel and use plastic connectors on both ends. You'll need to shove the connector all the way in tho....
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@@kieranjackson9206 That was horrible. Please stop, you're young enough to change your dreams.
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Yes, yes, the revenue is strong in this one.
“So, let’s open it up.. again.”
Proceeds to open it up
*insert atomic explosion clip*
3:44 In the good old days there were no circuit breakers.You had 2 separate fuses on both the live and neutral legs of the circuit.In some countries they didnt even ground the neutral and you didnt get a shock touching a wire even if you were grounded.
Classic Mehdi
Dang! I just saw your magic wand video! I was going to make one... now everyone thinks I copied you! I'LL MAKE IT ANYWAY!
@@ElectroBOOM he already copied from th-cam.com/users/JoinTheTechniciansvideos to a degree
@@ElectroBOOM hi
As a retired Electrical Design Engineer, you made my day! I LMAO! Thanks for fixing most of your NEC violations!
For whomever said your heater is 17 amps and should be on 20 amp circuit, I make the following comment. Since the heater is outdoor and could run for more than 3 hours, I would consider it a continuous load(NEC). Circuit breakers are rated 100% non-continuous and 80% continuous. So, 20x.8=16 amps(not high enough). 30x.8=24 amps(correct size). So your circuit with 2 pole 30 amp breaker and #10 conductors is perfect.
Respectfully, Kevin
As you are an electrical engineer as Mehdi, than can you explain why he didn't know these things? Been studying the Ugly book to get into the field after the pandemic and thought it would allow me to also be an electrician.
@@Maninawig If he is an electrical engineer, then most likely he went to an accredited university for electrical engineering. There most are taught electronics, not power electrical. I have heard at one university someone said they wanted to learn power and was told to go take civil engineering classes. Enough of that. Bottom line, in order to learn electrical design, most have to learn it on the job.
Regarding studying an Ugly’s book to become an electrician, although great to learn what is in it, without class and field training, it will not do you much good. If you truly want to be an electrician, you must start working as an apprentice to be taught the trade. It takes years of training.
Best wishes, Kevin. BTW, I worked in the trade for 38 years and was still learning everyday.
@@KevinCoop1 I live in a trade-centric area where my understanding of the work field puts electricians as a reasonable carreer but my passion for electronics only serving in computer repairs with the prejudice of a Harvard graduate working at McDonald's.
My neighbour (another electrical engineer who faced this) suggested we go through the book just as an introduction, to get the fundamentals and said it was a path that allows you to work in both fields, but I got nervous that my dream education (the fun of electronics with the job security if electrical) was another false dream looking at Mehdi's mistakes.
However, teaming up what you just said with what my neighbour explained, it sounds like the education is applicable, but like all apprentices, there are nuances that can only be learned on the job. Is that correct?
@@Maninawig So, you are not wanting to be an electrician, you are wanting to be an electrical design engineer?
The path for that is different. If you really want to learn that, stay away from consulting engineering companies. Not going to say why. Start looking for a job working for Electrical contractors. Especially ones that do Design/Build. You will learn electrical ten times faster. Also, start taking classes on NEC.(Code). Or Autocad MEP or Revit MEP classes. If you are good at Revit MEP, you can get a job at almost any contractor doing larger projects.
Experience is the best teacher! This path will put you where you can get wider more in depth experience.
Best Wishes, Kevin
@@KevinCoop1 thank you for the awesome advice. I will study it further as apperantly I was thinking too simply on the matter.
Both the "Giving away 29 anti shorts worth ten cents each! ....Nnno." and the explosion after turning the breaker on made me laugh, you're the best Mehdi!
In part one, i'm still wondering what he put in that heated shower head to make it flame up like that...even under water! 😅😂
8:06 that actually scared me
HEH!
no
14 hour ago comment how
Tf....Are u a time traveller?
@@captaincaption patreon
8:06 Bruh not again!! 2 times in 2 videos I was caught off-guard
Bboooo
I am always scared something is going to blow up when I'm watching his videos. That's why I play it on low volume.
Today is Mehdi’s birthday 🥳
Happy birthday Mehdi🥳🎂and thank you for everything😘
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Things I actually learned here:
- *Juicy TH-cam Money*
- *Wronguh*
- Mehdi's house is so perfectly wired that easily can be used in college for educational purposes.
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@@kieranjackson9206 almost there, buddy.
@@kieranjackson9206 im tired of reporting you for spam
@@kieranjackson9206 I will not see that
except he has a poor understanding of building wiring codes
Did you install that 240V outlet to make sure you're safe when your sister-in-law comes for a visit ;) ?
mmmm, yeeessss
14 hours ago??
wrf its 23 sec ago
@@whyyoustalkingme8685 me to 😬😅
@@whyyoustalkingme8685 sponsors probably seee the video before its released
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8:06 i litterally looked away for my screen for 3 seconds or sum and this actually scared me really bad lol
I really enjoy watching you do more electrical work like this. I think it teaches a lot of home-DIYers not to make similar mistakes.
Some wires are red
Few are blue
If Mehdi shocks himself
I’ll give it a view
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It always happens
You're a poet and you didn't even realize it!
@@shubashsingh8710 but not this time... hes playing with real power now!..Mehdi has a brain and he knows not to even pretend to play around with 240v at 30A.. that shit will grab you and never let you go until youre fried inside and out!
Nice
Let's take a moment to appreciate his efforts to entertain us by putting his life in danger
Okay but fr, I didn't know anti-shorts were even a thing and I've been seeing people wire up houses for years.
He's doing all of this for entertainment but remember, this guy is a pro. No one in the right mind would mess with breakers, teslas and all that without actual knowledge. I wouldn't say he's "risking his life" but yeah, of course there still can be risks.
He is not making it on purpose. He makes everything ready before recording so it looks like he was about to risk his life
he is a professional
im an electrical student on my industrial motor control module, this stuff is easy as long as you got the main breaker off and stay away from the main lugs because those are always live.
@Electroboom the most important thing that I like in your work is your truth about your aim. You speak very clearly.
You do it really well it's fun and at the same time you teach others. You really make the day brighter.
Thanks.
8:06 had a mini heart attack. Thank you!
As a French electrician (kinda), I never thought about how weird it could be to see another country electrical installation
I can tell you that in Russia they have single insulated wires inside the wall without conduit,no color coding and no grounding at all.
@Jason Bowman Its safe if an idiot didnt make modification on the original K&T.
@@mernok2001 and out of aluminium...
I couldn’t agree more as an electrician in the U.K. some of the shit in this video is down right odd and the breakers look like something from 1960’s
@@balazsgezakadar7927 Mindenhol is ott vagyunk :D
Happy birthday, Mehdi! May your electrifying adventures entertain us for many years to come. May you also be healthy and happy for as many years as you live!
I'm glad to have you as a Canadian! We love you 💖
4:50 ElectroBOOM: "Safety"
4:51: Also ElectroBOOM: *KILLER FACE*
Safety is #1 Priority
Communism Fans would know this guy
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 Not just communism fans. That guy's a hoot.
Electroboom: Uploads
Me: How does he hurt himself this time?
Funny
@@kieranjackson9206 I am reporting this to TH-cam. Let's see how much happiness that brings you.
I am dissapoint
Seems like, this time only mentally.
@@Nicmadis yeah, I'm really surprised he survived a whole video without hurting himself physically lol
Thank you for posting this. So many youtuber's wouldnt bother but doing things the right way is important!
As someone who works in electrical in Canada (Vancouver area). I can confirm you were right with your 30A breaker.
There is an electrical code exception in Canada for "fixed" (hardwired) electric heating loads since it is a known load with no significant inrush, the wire just needs to be able to handle the load of the heater it does not need to match the breaker rating. So it your case, the 4000W 240V heater uses 16.6A, so you could have used 12AWG (20A) wire to the heater, however you can only load the breaker to 80% of its rating. So you would install a 30A breaker, but use 12AWG (20A) wire to the heater. I know this may not sound correct, but this is how fixed electric heating circuits are sized in Canada (it is different in the US from what I've heard).
Now that outlet is unfortunately a code violation, electric heating circuits must be dedicated to hardwired electric heating. There could be multiple heaters on the circuit if the loading allowed it based on the 80% rule, but only other heaters.
I loves the explosion when he turned on the breaker xD
i love this guy and his channel... one of my all time youtube favorite .... also his attitude snd funny yet somehow very warm and caring personality... my honor to be several years subscriber!! wish him and his family a very nice december/xmas/new year!!! 💛💛💛💛 thank you mister chef electroboom!!!
I absolutely love your videos!
GIMME DA ANTI-SHORTS*
* I'd also be happy with a SCOPE or a MEETAAA
When you decide to play this video to relax you before sleeping, and then sudden explosion at 8:06 wakes you up... :)
this happened to me lmaooo
the relaxing music made it all the more jarring haha
Same lol
All your vídeos are important - Thanks
I'm a simple man. I see caterpillar eyebrow dancing, I press like button.
ok
Bigclivedotcom clone 😂😂😂
"Mom! The funny youtube rage man is mad at me!"
"sorry for the boring video"?? does this guy know how entertaining he is lmao
Ikr I loved this video
Sir you are amazing , I can understand the electric chapters easily and understand new things and you are amazing
those little gray 'connectors' for the panel are also used as a strain relief for the breakers (they have a one-way flap that allow you to push the wire through but will 'bite down' if you try to pull it out)
9:37 - I didn't see the patio-heater end being fixed so in my universe you didn't finish yet :P
Shhhhhh! It was too cold outside! Will do it later... IN A NEW DEDICATED VIDEO FOR JUICY TH-cam MONEY!!! lol jk!
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Hi
@@ElectroBOOM i love how i can hear your voice in my head while reading your comments. even shouting works.
9 hours ago? this video is like 45 mins old
In Europe our breakers look quite different, I find it interesting that North American breakers have a tripped state where you have to reset them, our breakers do not have that, but are still designed so they can trip if you keep the lever held up
I guess it could be useful to differentiate between a tripped breaker, and a manually disconnected one. (I live in Europe btw)
how do yours work? im assuming once the breaker trips the lever becomes disconnected until it is allowed to move down
@@Scotty-vs4lf Once they trip they flip to the "off" state (they don't stay in the middle like the ones Medhi showed. However, if you try to turn on a breaker that still "has" a short (a tripped one), they'll still trip somehow even though you're holding the lever.
@@Scotty-vs4lf exactly
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compliments for the initiative of meeting people outside, we do so too and also put on a heater :)
You can’t use a 20A for that according to the Canadian code, your breaker need to be 125% of the continuous load. So 16A max on a 20A.
Thank you, you beat me to it! When he said 17A load on a 30A breaker, I thought nothing wrong with that but when he said he was going to use a 20A breaker, I immediately yelled out "NO YOU'RE NOT"!
@@maddmaxx94 Not really, a 20A breaker can probably take something like 50A for a few seconds. I always wondered what was the real reason behind that rule...
@@maddmaxx94 theres no extra draw on a heat when turning it on. it says in the code that on continuous loads the breaker must be rated 1.25% the load of the device.
@@cedricpomerleau5586 not even a few seconds, a breaker takes 100ms to trip
@@cedricpomerleau5586 the reason for that rule is breakers are only rated for 80% on a continuous load, meaning a 20A breaker cant be loaded up to 20A continuous. it can however be loaded to 80% of 20A
I’m sad that the anti-short giveaway wasn’t real
"Sorry for the boring video I thought it was important to make"
One thing wrong with that was the fact the video was entertaining anyways, even if I don't think I'll use this info any time soon
nah. it was boring
Hey Mehdi, happy new year man. Enjoy most of your content. Wanted to ask you a question : why do electric arcs generate fire? What is actually burning? what's the chemical reaction? I'm getting these questions after watching videos where you use your microwave transformer (how a fluorescent light works is one such example)
interesting to see how electrical installations and materials in Canada are totally different than here in Belgium.
I didn't know that a 180° fase shift to get 110/220V existed. We only have the tri-fase 120° shift to get 230/400V.
Great videos Mehdi!
I run an electrical installation company myself. If you are ever in Belgium, Please feel free to take our tourist tour in the wonderfull world of belgian electical cabinets and high voltage cabins ;-)
Great follow up video! Anti-shorts all the way! 20A breaker wouldn't have been to code. Max loading on residential breakers is 80% capacity (so 16A for a 20A breaker)
If you leave the cover off, then you’ll never need access.
As soon as you put the cover on, you’ll need access.
The same thing happens with my computer case. Now I can't put the cover back on because I don't know where I put the screws. I'll buy some new screws and fix it, but that will almost certainly guarantee the computer glitch will come back tomorrow.
They are right you know
@@To-mos Last night after writing that I found the screws and put the cover back on. First boot and the wireless network card failed to connect to the router, or anything at all in fact. Murphy is up there somewhere laughing his head off.
It wasn't actually boring, I liked it :). Hope you will have a great time with what are you doing!
"sorry for the boring video"
no no nono nononononononono
your videos are never boring, it's part of why i love them!
"Hi, my name is Mehdi, this is Jackass, and today I'm blowing myself up"
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what am i seeing right now is this jj....?
So, same old same old?
@@donkeyfromshreck6197 Yo mamma so narcissist that you need attention online.
Get it get it get it get it you'll have us southern boys watching lol
8:06 LOL! That scared me.
Same XD
This is very entertaining. Keep it up, mate.
9:38 You missed the last one - at the heater!
These Canadian electrical installations are so differently than the german ones :D you should check out some ;) German engineering !! :D
I wonder how much difference the 110V makes. I'm pretty sure my german breaker box here even has three-phase at 400V
Edit: Yup, just checked inside my box, and it definitely has 3 phase supply. Strangely the supply cable has 6 conductors, three phases, neutral, and PE, and one that is not connected and simply cut short with no termination. No idea what the last is for
@oH well,lord! possibly, it is still quite thick tho. I have the breaker box in my appartment, but the meter is in a locked room in the basement that I don't have a key for. Maybe it could also be for identifying which cables connected to which appartment during installation
@@jackaw1197 Itsn't it just a plastic fiber inside the 5 core cable?Some cables have a plastic fiber in the middle,between the wires.
Schuko, CEE Drehstromstecker and FI Schalter masterrace
@@DanielRolirad schuko for the win
You should definitely put solar panels up. I wanna see how a "professional" would do it
Cue massive sunburn....
hi tom
the sun will have a meltdown
I already see him shorting the entire array out and making DC arcs with them. That alone is worth it!
Becareful of what is being considered professional in this instance. He is an electrical engineer not an electrician, they are related but not the same. An electrician is an expert in electrical code, a EE is an expert in electrical theory. The code is written by EE's, but it's huge and always changing, so an expert in code would usually be preferred for solar panel installation. Solar panel development would be a EE thing.
I learned so much from this video, it's nuts. Thank you for doing this update.
I actually really liked this video. Made positive changes based on criticism, still managed to be fun without being spiteful. A good balance and shows even with Millions of subs you are actually listening to your viewers, and still managing to be an awesome person. Good on you @ElectroBOOM!
Electroboom both hilarious and informational 👌👌
You forgot about the biggest benefit of filming your work: if you mess up, you can see how the things looked like when they were still working
8:49 First 7 digits of pi!
True thoughts from you. Hatsoff
This is the difference between electricians and electrical engineers. Love your vids dude.
Mehdi: Juicy TH-cam money
Also Mehdi: uploads a 9:49 long video
Cuz its 8 minutes for more ads now
@@G1Z1 Thanks, didn't know that - my comment makes no sense now
@@G1Z1 curse you, TH-cam. I'm the boiling frog and I know it and hate it.
I've watched every one of Mehdi's videos and that "explosion" still startled me!
Very informative thank you
Always happy to see you still alive
I don’t understand anything literally anything in class but I fully understand ur videos 😅😅 Looks like i also need a shock
😂 I understand nothing th-cam.com/video/cfIQGy8HqTY/w-d-xo.html
@@donkeyfromshreck6197 Yo mamma so narcissist that you need attention online.
@@richardlighthouse5328 Are you a bot?
@@DrakeSilmore he definitely is
8:55 could b a good meme template
This guy us an extreme sportsman! Keep up the training Mehdi
Videos with or from can not be boring.
Love your content! Though I do commercial and industrial electrical work. My peace of mind would be enhanced by you pigtailing the devices instead of multiple wires on each terminal. Not required by code, I know. But is a good idea. Even when I did commercial trim at hospitals, always pigtail your devices.
8:00 you can hear something special
This was actually pretty informative particularly the part about the linked two-pole breakers and the shutoff mechanism
God ****ing damnit!! Stop using that large explosion clip it startles me every time! But I gotta say, I really appreciate you going back and showing us those important revisions. Your honesty and transparency are one reason why I stay subscribed.
2:32 Exactly. The breaker is for securing the wiring first and foremost.
Mehdi’s “Hi!” makes my day :)
Agreed...
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@@donkeyfromshreck6197 Yo mamma so narcissist that you need attention online.
my grandpa has a shop with a 4000w 220v ceiling mounted heater. He also has a little 1960s space heater about 12 by 12inch, which is also 220v.. 4000w. it tends to make a hot dusty metal smell, also the spinning fan resonated perfectly so that the whole thing shakes a bit
Its refreshing to see a youtuber who isnt a "know it all" and is open to suggestions. Bravo.
8:04 that's what happened to my computer when i installed a cheap power suply
thats what happened to the verge's pc build
The heater is actually very efficient, almost 100% is converted to heat!
Actually NOOO... 😂😂😂 Atleast 20% gets converted to light instead of heat...
@@klrshak776 light is converted back into heat when it hit non-reflective objects. Since light is directed in the same way as heater is, you do have you'r almost 100% efficiency back
Yes but the heat disperses in outside air anyway.
Since the solely job of the heater is irradiating heat, it is 100% efficient by design.
@@klrshak776 Fail.
thanks. i learned some stuff!
You deserve all the juicy money
The problem with most wire plumbers is they have no idea why an engineer made something work the way it does.
Electrical engineers have a far deeper understanding of the theory behind electrical systems, why things work, issues with them, dangers etc. Electricians know more of the safety codes, will have far more experience installing systems (that have been designed by engineers) and will usually be neater when implementing a system.
they just follow the code and the rules, without really understanding why that is. Not even an averge Electrician Meister (highest apprenticeship degree on the level of a Bachelor) reaches the level of theoretic knowledge of a Bachelor/engineer in electrical engineer.
"Wire plumbers" is the most cursed thing I've read this week and I love it.
@@RmRoyalflush Mmmmoooiinnnn Meisteeeeeeeer
Quite accurate. I have had a few conversations where an electrician was convinced electrons flow from positive to negative terminal in a battery. But the guys can run correct polarity, things work, they don't think twice, cause they're never prompted to.
“Thanks for staying till the end and hitting the like button.”
Really? You think I hit the like button? No sir, I smashed that thing.
I found that part so compelling I hit the like button twice!
@@Shaun.Stephens Gasp! That's a bad thing! Third time! THIRD TIME!
RIP your device
Benzolike
I smashed it 10 times.
Hey there i am a learned Electrician from Europe and thanks to you i can see the North american Systems live. I say you are a bad electrician but its so damn funny to watch you and make discoveries i had to learn in my aprenticeship. Thanks for your videos and stay how you are. PS: At least you learn from mistakes opposed to some of my colleauges XD
You're the best man Mehdi!!
This was all 'Electro,' and no 'BOOM'...
Probably a good thing though, fuse boxes and wall fires are no joke.
I am fine with an ElectroNoBOOM over ElectroDOOM and have to bury him in an ElectroTOOM
Leakage trips are taking away our booms!
why is the mantle of the cord metal to begin with? In Germany this would be either a PVC insolated Cable or single PVC insulated Conductors in a PVC construction pipe.
Armoured cable to protect conductors where they are exposed to possible damage.
ew...electrical wires in PVC?????????
PVC is used a lot! Rigid conduit, flexible conduit, boxes, etc. Virtually every cable has a PVC jacket.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Romex is all PVC. Except for the conductors, obviously.
Metal conduit is pretty standard stuff in North America, this is just the flexible version for easy installation. It's used to protect the wires from physical damage when installed such that it's exposed in the room, rather than inside the wall. In-wall installations usually use Romex, which is regular PVC jacketed wires. We do also have PVC conduit as an option, but obviously there is no flexible corrugated PVC conduit. We also have UF cable, which is just a heavy PVC jacketed cable, but it's not as tough as the corrugated metal, and is usually only used when the cable is buried underground and armor is not required.
Of note, when metal conduit is used, it's usually tied to ground. All the metal boxes have screws that you normally attach a ground pigtail to, and tie it into the ground wire from the panel. The corrugated metal armor on the cable is attached to the metal boxes with metal clamps, so it's all tied to ground together.
Glad you still making videos was thinking off that one in 2015 you burnt ya mustache off
even stuff like this is fun to watch with you in it
Also: safety is important
3:43. You can use 2 single pole breakers with their handles tied together. 2018 CEC 14-302 b) in branch circuits derived from a 3-wire grounded neutral system, two single-pole manually operable circuit breakers shall be permitted to be used instead of a 2-pole circuit breaker, provided that i) their handles are interlocked with a device as provided by the manufacturer so that all ungrounded conductors will be opened but the manual operation of any handle.
That sounds unnecessary and stupid, to be quite frank with you.
4:08 I saw that image on the subreddit :)
Great stuff!
This was such a nice and chill video, thanks electro.
Dangit! I was really looking forward to that antishort giveaway ;c
you should make a bed that shocks you at a certain time like a alarm clock
I would build that. My alarm clock just broke down and it didn't wake me up anymore anyway. I could sometimes hear the in my dreams but never woke up.
It is amazing that each country has different standard of what is important and in each country there are a lot of people saying that it is SO important that their standard code is followed, otherwise everyone will certainly die. And the people saying the code is important usually have no clue of the real reasons for them.
Electrician of 20+ years I have only ever seen one home owner DYI electrical correctly. My favorite call was a homeowner who's bathroom lights stopped working immediately after he changed the lightbulbs... he didn't screw them in far enough. 😜
Your connector to the panel still wouldn't pass an inspection. If you care get a 1/2" two screw Romex connector (has a lock nut) and a pair of reducing washers (donuts) 1/2 to 3/4 should suffice one for the inside one for the outside of the panel.
0:36
And sixth, we like to see you get shocked because its funny
That explosion scared the shit out of me.
Thanks for update
Your are the best
excellent video, but I must say that the last thing I felt was the security when he said.
nice work man.