getting the spring into the housing took every last ounce of morale I had, however, I did discover a easier way than demonstrated. Take the outer hook of the spring and make one loop small enough to fit in the housing, pinch just that single loop with your pliers and wrap some masking tape or electrical tape around that loop to hold it, not around the whole outside of the loop, just to bind those two coils together in the pack and keep it from unwinding in your hand. Now take the rest of the spring and start hand coiling it inside the loop you made, this part is much easier than trying to coil the spring by holding the inner most hook, holding the tension with your hand the whole time. once you drop the coil into the housing you can slit the tape and just leave it in there.
Good suggestion. Why don't you make a video showing this procedure? It will help a lot of people since this is a common repair that must be done to these starters.
Thanks for the video...got my 110 back up and running after the rope broke. Went ahead and cleaned everything up & regreased a little while it was apart.
This was so helpful. Thank you for taking the time to lay out and explain the process step by step. I was ready to throw out the rip cord assembly, but now it is reassembled and working great.
I'm glad you got it. Yes, I should have had the camera turned more to the left so it would show what I was doing. I should redo this video. But it probably won't happen. Bruce
Fuch ya thank you so much I’ve built lots of stuff but never messed with a recoil it’s surprisingly stupid simple don’t know why I couldn’t figure it out thanks alot
Wow thank you so much just got the bike not running... the guy said he did a new top end witch he did and didnt know how to do it... I watched this did what you said and it runs awesome thanks for shaming me money man... keep up the good work
What do you think would be the issue if one out of the 3 little tabs that come out to catch to turn the motor is not coming out. Only two are catching but it still works. I’d like to fix it right however
You earned a subscriber bud im currently restoring a Honda 84 110 would a 90 pullstarter fit old girl? Another question my bike has power but bogs on acceleration is that a carb adjustment carbs new
The 90 pull starter won't work unless you can find a spacer to go between the starter and the timing case. The spacer is about 1/4" thick. But I have only seen one and I sold it on ebay. I don't really know abut your problem with bogging down. Perhaps you could try advancing the spark a little. It might help.
Great video. Good instructions. One question (not sure if you read all these) are the 3 bolts for the case and the 4 internal ones the same thread pattern?
I agree. This method can be hard on the hands. Since I made this video, I found a better way to wind the spring. I should make a new video. I drive two headless nails into a piece of wood and left them sticking out about 1/4". The last time I used a short scrap 2x4 and held it in my vice. I got another stick of wood, a 1 x 2, and drove another headless nail into it. I then put the spring onto the 2x4 in the vice and started winding it with the 1x2 stick. When I got it small enough I grabbed the with the tip of a needle nose pliers and inserted it into the starter case. Much easier to do and easier on the hands. I should update this video to show this method.
I am a little unclear by what you mean by "won't start with a pull rope". Are you towing it with another vehicle with a "pull rope" or are you referring using the recoil starter? If you are using the recoil starter, you should feel a lot of drag if the starter engages with the the starter cage and turns the engine. If the starter pulls real easy, then it is not turning the engine over and you need to pull the starter off and see what is wrong with it. There are only three bolts holding the starter on.
I need a camera person. I wound the spring slightly out of view of the camera. But since I made the video, I found a better way to wind the spring. I need to update this video. You can find other videos on youtube. The better method involved driving two headless nails about 1/2 inch apart into a piece of wood. Then with the nail sticking out of another piece of wood, wind the spring. Now grab the spring with the tip of a needle nose pliers to keep it from unwinding and insert it into the case. I hope this description makes sense.
Yes. Same thing. If you are careful, you can change the rope without removing the pulley that it's wrapped around, and then you won't have have the spring flying out.
+Romeo Perez It's very similar to the ATC 110 carburetor, just smaller. In fact I think that the bowl is the same. Here is a video of the ATC 110 Carburetor. th-cam.com/video/QTcFfme6D-E/w-d-xo.html
getting the spring into the housing took every last ounce of morale I had, however, I did discover a easier way than demonstrated.
Take the outer hook of the spring and make one loop small enough to fit in the housing, pinch just that single loop with your pliers and wrap some masking tape or electrical tape around that loop to hold it, not around the whole outside of the loop, just to bind those two coils together in the pack and keep it from unwinding in your hand.
Now take the rest of the spring and start hand coiling it inside the loop you made, this part is much easier than trying to coil the spring by holding the inner most hook, holding the tension with your hand the whole time.
once you drop the coil into the housing you can slit the tape and just leave it in there.
Good suggestion. Why don't you make a video showing this procedure? It will help a lot of people since this is a common repair that must be done to these starters.
Great video. It was like listening to my grandfather explain something. Loved it.
Maybe that's because I am a grandfather. I have 9 grandchildren, 4 step grand children, and 2 foster grandchildren. - all ages
Sweet! Thank you so much. My cord stopped retracting all the way. You just saved me from all the trouble of taking the recoil apart.
Thank you for these instructions. I really appreciate how you laid out the pieces so I could see what I needed next when putting it back together.
Thanks for the video...got my 110 back up and running after the rope broke. Went ahead and cleaned everything up & regreased a little while it was apart.
Glad to help. That is why I posted the video. I should update this video. I found an easier way to wind up the main spring.
@@SoCalBruce Fortunately i didn't have to take it out, but I could've done it with your trick. 👍
Finally found the right video! Mine has been sitting for about 4 years with the recoil problem....SO EASY 🤦♂️🤣👍thanks for the fix🤘
Glad to help. I finally figured it out. So I made the video to help others.
This was so helpful. Thank you for taking the time to lay out and explain the process step by step. I was ready to throw out the rip cord assembly, but now it is reassembled and working great.
Literally pulled the starter out of frame at the most important part nice
Yea. Sorry about that. I should have a camera person. I'm hoping that from the narration that you can figure out what I did.
Excellent!!, thanks from Uruguay
Thanks this was a big help. A little hard to see on the first part but once I got what you where saying it worked
I'm glad you got it. Yes, I should have had the camera turned more to the left so it would show what I was doing. I should redo this video. But it probably won't happen. Bruce
Fuch ya thank you so much I’ve built lots of stuff but never messed with a recoil it’s surprisingly stupid simple don’t know why I couldn’t figure it out thanks alot
Wow thank you so much just got the bike not running... the guy said he did a new top end witch he did and didnt know how to do it... I watched this did what you said and it runs awesome thanks for shaming me money man... keep up the good work
Glad you got it running. What did you find wrong?
@@SoCalBruce he didnt know how to time it I never had lunch but your video helped me
What do you think would be the issue if one out of the 3 little tabs that come out to catch to turn the motor is not coming out. Only two are catching but it still works. I’d like to fix it right however
You earned a subscriber bud im currently restoring a Honda 84 110 would a 90 pullstarter fit old girl? Another question my bike has power but bogs on acceleration is that a carb adjustment carbs new
The 90 pull starter won't work unless you can find a spacer to go between the starter and the timing case. The spacer is about 1/4" thick. But I have only seen one and I sold it on ebay. I don't really know abut your problem with bogging down. Perhaps you could try advancing the spark a little. It might help.
Great video. Good instructions. One question (not sure if you read all these) are the 3 bolts for the case and the 4 internal ones the same thread pattern?
Yes. They are metric. 6mm or M6.
Ive tried everything to rewind the spring and get it hack into the case. Any tips my hands cant take much more punishment
I agree. This method can be hard on the hands. Since I made this video, I found a better way to wind the spring. I should make a new video. I drive two headless nails into a piece of wood and left them sticking out about 1/4". The last time I used a short scrap 2x4 and held it in my vice. I got another stick of wood, a 1 x 2, and drove another headless nail into it. I then put the spring onto the 2x4 in the vice and started winding it with the 1x2 stick. When I got it small enough I grabbed the with the tip of a needle nose pliers and inserted it into the starter case. Much easier to do and easier on the hands. I should update this video to show this method.
what could be wrong when u can push start my 3 Wheeler 1980 Honda but it won't start with a pull rope
I am a little unclear by what you mean by "won't start with a pull rope". Are you towing it with another vehicle with a "pull rope" or are you referring using the recoil starter? If you are using the recoil starter, you should feel a lot of drag if the starter engages with the the starter cage and turns the engine. If the starter pulls real easy, then it is not turning the engine over and you need to pull the starter off and see what is wrong with it. There are only three bolts holding the starter on.
How did you wind the spring. Ive been trying for days. plz help
I need a camera person. I wound the spring slightly out of view of the camera. But since I made the video, I found a better way to wind the spring. I need to update this video. You can find other videos on youtube. The better method involved driving two headless nails about 1/2 inch apart into a piece of wood. Then with the nail sticking out of another piece of wood, wind the spring. Now grab the spring with the tip of a needle nose pliers to keep it from unwinding and insert it into the case. I hope this description makes sense.
@@SoCalBruce Thank you Bruce I will try this 👍🏼 enjoy your day!
For some reason it only recoils the rope halfway and then eventually it just doesnt recoil
That is what my starter was doing. Go back and look at the video again. I show how to fix this problem in the beginning of the video.
I have a honda us90, its older than the hills but the rope finally broke, do you think it would be simalar to the 110?
Yes. Same thing. If you are careful, you can change the rope without removing the pulley that it's wrapped around, and then you won't have have the spring flying out.
@SoCal Bruce how could you change or clean a carborater on a ATC 70?
+Romeo Perez It's very similar to the ATC 110 carburetor, just smaller. In fact I think that the bowl is the same. Here is a video of the ATC 110 Carburetor. th-cam.com/video/QTcFfme6D-E/w-d-xo.html