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  • @AustinKoleCarlisle
    @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    It's always refreshing to see someone backing up their hypothesis with facts and evidence. Nice job as always.

  • @odysodys1098
    @odysodys1098 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Thank you for your indefatigable work on the bays and the 10,900 BC event.

  • @colcol7507
    @colcol7507 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Thanks for all your work.

  • @williamh4172
    @williamh4172 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    You, sir, bring some of the most plausible explanations for catastrophe science and the what occurred during the younger dryas period. As someone who grew up on Lake Michigan and lived most of my life near Lake Michigan, I find this fascinating. I would love to be in a room with you, Randall Carlson (who I have met), and a few other catastrophists to discuss these phenomena.

    • @direbearcoat7551
      @direbearcoat7551 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It's the blind men describing the elephant, again, with these guys.
      Antonio is looking at a few impacts at the east of center part of the glacier that caused the Carolina Bays, and Randall is looking at all of the massive water erosion that occurred all along the entire continental United States from water that flowed off the entire ice sheet. Meanwhile, Graham is looking at sudden global sea level rise that wiped out coastal civilizations at around the same time frame....
      Yet, somehow these guys can't seem to connect the dots between each other.

    • @76rjackson
      @76rjackson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@direbearcoat7551 Randall had Dr Zamora on his podcast before. Dr Robert Schoch, who dated the sphinx based on erosion, is a proponent of what is called a micronova or a massive coronal mass ejection. Dr Zamora's Glacial Impact Hypothesis is the best answer for a lot of mysteries from the end of the last ice age.

    • @direbearcoat7551
      @direbearcoat7551 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@76rjackson
      I didn't know that Randall had Antonio on his show! I'll have to look for it!

    • @chrisfleming701
      @chrisfleming701 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@direbearcoat7551 there’s also Comet Research Group. They’re 60 plus scientists working on researching different parts of this too.

  • @justmenotyou3151
    @justmenotyou3151 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Once again; thanks for your work.

  • @kpgsx
    @kpgsx 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Your research is Priceless to this theory

    • @VARVIS_
      @VARVIS_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This channel is hard carrying the YD impact theory rn

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@VARVIS_ the party is just getting started, i can promise you that.

  • @engineerinhickorystripehat
    @engineerinhickorystripehat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I was driving around a cow pasture just East of Corpus Christi listening to this when it occurred to me that I hadn't heard of any glacial erratics that took the suborbital ride . That would be a very radical erratic.

    • @davidstiles6260
      @davidstiles6260 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good point. There should be some eratics that took a big ride. Perhaps they were pulverized when they landed…

    • @curtisnixon5313
      @curtisnixon5313 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Glacial erratics that flew inside the ice boulders is a fascinating idea. They would be buried at the bottom of the Carolina Bay their ice chunk created (if they survived impact). A lump of float copper would be the ultimate.

  • @frogmtndoc
    @frogmtndoc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great summary to date.

  • @rapauli
    @rapauli 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for sharing all your research.

  • @MontréalinSpring
    @MontréalinSpring 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    They will bend to you soon!
    Keep up the good work!

  • @joshjames253
    @joshjames253 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Are your videos creating academic interest? Very good video

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@joshjames253 Yes. This video basically is a response to some of the objections expressed by an academic researcher.

    • @charliemihai5471
      @charliemihai5471 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Antonio_Zamora The science is not settled. Thinking is direct access to knowledge, and the questions you ask are the key. Thank you.

  • @thomasnewcomb2079
    @thomasnewcomb2079 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Love your work!

  • @PM-xc8oo
    @PM-xc8oo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video. I really appreciate that you show your work, so to speak, with regards to issues related to dating various features.

  • @downunderdan
    @downunderdan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fascinating and a lot more plausible than schools of fish swimming in circles in a swamp. I believe earlier explorers attempted to find meteoric remnants that would explain these 'witness marks'. It seems that until fairly recently, the lack of meteorites has, in certain academic circles, ensured the history books have essentially discounted any 'impact theory'. The beauty/trouble is the truth doesn't care what's written in books or how many times it's written, it stands unsupported, eh?

  • @ChristopherLeifson
    @ChristopherLeifson 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Mr. Zamora, I live in Michigan relatively close to the Chippewa basin. There is a local beach here that seems to be hydrothermally altered from the devonian through the Carboniferous and includes the Precambrian glacial till on top. In essence I believe what ever altered the stones happened during or soon after the last glaciation. Like you any geologist I speak with only dismiss the idea that the stones could have been altered together, yet I find it hard to believe that so many eras of altered bedrock would end up together in one spot randomly. Anytime you want to theorize these origins or need examples to validate your research please reach out.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks. My adventure with the Carolina Bays started because I could not believe that precisely elliptical features could be made consistently by wind and water. Trust your common sense.

  • @oakpoacher433
    @oakpoacher433 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video Antonio!

  • @Rory-w8x
    @Rory-w8x 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You smashed the old numbat theory out of the park Antonio. Well done to you Sir. Great science.

  • @jodymaley3674
    @jodymaley3674 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Envisioning those chucks of ice going ballistic, arcing up into space, then reentry to strike all over. What a bad day the creatures and people experienced. Enjoyable scientific discussion. Thank you

    • @thirdeyefocus6255
      @thirdeyefocus6255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      8 megatons per square kilometer as he said - and not just at the Caroline Bays, but everywhere in a circle covering much of North America. No wonder megafauna went extinct, it was basically nuked out of existence.

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thirdeyefocus6255 it really is the most elegant explanation for ALL the evidence we see. you see the evidence and work backwards from there and if one is rational, this is the only conclusion one can arrive to.

  • @tgriz100
    @tgriz100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Keep at it, Antonio! You are doing fantastic work. I'm a believer!

  • @okboomer6201
    @okboomer6201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There is astroblem under Lake Superior near Isle Royal.
    This location was still under the ice.

    • @curtisnixon5313
      @curtisnixon5313 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Isn't that one dated to over a billion years old?

    • @okboomer6201
      @okboomer6201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@curtisnixon5313 That is a different one. I am refering to Caribou Island, which is just on the Canada side of the border in Lake Superior. The island is a remnant of the central uplift from the impact.

  • @bardmadsen6956
    @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    That would be a hundred after the space falls. I live up in that area, looks like it was waste land of sand and gravel after the upheaval, then only approximately nine inches of soil. They will say just about anything to negate the sky falling. I ran across this video the other day that you may find interesting : 'We're all scratching our heads'; This historic Lake Michigan discovery could uncover lake mysteries. I've lived up here a number of times since Kennedy was President and I think the last ice coverage reached down to between Peshtigo and Abrams because there are thick peat bogs that used to smolder back in the 1970's and the Pleistocene animals are found just south of there.

  • @therealpatriarchy
    @therealpatriarchy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    12:00 This animation shows you where to look for rocks that don't 'belong'. Viscous relaxation carries a potentially rock-imbedded glacier fragment to near the surface. Subsequent frost action may push such 'alien' rocks to the surface. Later farmers carry those rocks to the edge of the field. As unlikely as all of this sounds, what is probable, is that some kid has collected those rocks and showed them to his teacher. It is tempting to believe that all ice is pure, but it rarely is. It is most often dirty with evidence.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@therealpatriarchy In one of my experiments the ice floated to the top. I realized that we may not need to dig too deep to find some erratics.

    • @therealpatriarchy
      @therealpatriarchy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Antonio_Zamora High schools located in agricultural communities within basin fields will undoubtedly have geological collections and displays. There is at least the possibility that there are anomalous stones that are recognized as such. Unfortunately, searching for any mention of erratics yields only the large dazzling type that cause awe and get all the attention. But it will be the little ones that tell the real story.

  • @byronedwards8157
    @byronedwards8157 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So glad I found your channel! Subscribed! Minute 7:30, if true, vindicates the study of microspherules in Lake Michigan from Firestone, et al., 2007. What your map does not show is Lake Agassiz sitting ominously over the glaciers that were impacted and flooded the AMOC with cold fresh water, causing the Younger Dryas temperature plunge.
    What is fascinating here is the coincidence of the extreme tilt of precession 11,800 years ago represents a critical moment of weakness in the electromagnetosphere precisely when microbursts from comet bolides free the ice dam in front of Lake Agassiz during our passage through a cloud of Comet Encke.

  • @stevenarrasmith
    @stevenarrasmith 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Is the uncertainty of the age of the Pt anomaly from the Greenland ice cores smaller than the uncertainties of radio carbon dating from around that time?

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@stevenarrasmith The major peak of the platinum anomaly is at about 12,900 ya, but there is enough spread to think that the platinum was suspended in the atmosphere for a long time.

  • @jdcjr50
    @jdcjr50 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    YDIH still #1. Thank you.

  • @Head2Tow
    @Head2Tow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Maybe the impact on an ice covered Lake Michigan led to a quicker breakup of the sheet over the lake.

  • @Jorge-cf6xk
    @Jorge-cf6xk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for your prepared presentation. The location of the impact is not clear: "the convergence point" is that the impact site or the probable average point? Also, were there multiple impacts?

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There seem to be multiple impact points. The convergence near Lake Michigan was reported by Davias and confirmed by me. This is what I used in the video.

  • @d.t.4523
    @d.t.4523 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you, keep working.

  • @drmachinewerke1
    @drmachinewerke1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I do not know when . However there was a glacier in the Kansas City area at one time .
    I say this as I have granite on my property . As well as other farms around the area .

  • @steve37341
    @steve37341 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You mentioned in your book that 12900 years ago provided the best fit for the Carolina Bays. But could it have been earlier? I recently came across some info I had saved a few years back about Miyake Events. In this info, they mentioned that around 12,350 BCE (14,350 years ago), there was the strongest event ever recorded. Since they do not know what causes these events, could it possibly be related to the Carolina Bays? The Miyake event causing a comet to change course and cause the cataclysm of the Carolina Bays? If yes, that could help push back the timeline to match better greater ice coverage of the Michigan area. It would seem.
    Also. I read that CMEs (which they think cause the Miyake events) can cause changes in the orbits of asteroids (comets too?). Could a CME have caused an asteroid or comet to change course and strike the earth? In 12900? The asteroid would not necessarily have to hit earth at the time of the CME event. The CME event only altering the future path of the comet or asteroid and put it on a collision course about 1450 years later? All supposition I know. But maybe the CME was the trigger for the later Carolina Bays cataclysm?b

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@steve37341 Robert Schoch has proposed that the end of the Pleistocene was caused by a CME. It is hard to provide evidence for or against that argument. Due to the high energy of the ballistic sedimentation that created the Carolina Bays, their origin must be associated with an extinction event. The association with a platinum anomaly and global cooling also fits well. I'm not too worried about the missing ice. I think the geologists will eventually find it when they realize that the elliptical geometry of the Carolina Bays can only be explained as impacts.

  • @richgerber3524
    @richgerber3524 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    TY

  • @billsmart2532
    @billsmart2532 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there any estimate of the thickness of the annual winter ice over Lake Michigan at the time of the probable impact event? It was probably quite thick just as fresh water winter ice in the arctic circle today. Certainly a contributing volume of impacted ice debris.

  • @candui-7
    @candui-7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    You have proven beyond a reasonable doubt the origin of the Carolina Bays and Nebraska Basins. The primary impact point and date are clearly proven as well. This is official theory in my history class. What happened to our pre-Clovis history? It was vaporized and relegated to "mythology." Modern institutional historians aim to keep it that way.

    • @CandideSchmyles
      @CandideSchmyles 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😅

    • @CandideSchmyles
      @CandideSchmyles 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helmski your anger is soooooo productive!

  • @robertlschoettle
    @robertlschoettle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Density anomalies under the bays would back up inpact hypothesis.

  • @JimmyBagOfDonuts
    @JimmyBagOfDonuts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The #ZamoraImpact
    That will look good in the history books

  • @DrinkTheKoolAid62
    @DrinkTheKoolAid62 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If there was a meteoric impact in a thick part of the laurentide ice sheet (1 to 2 km thick), would there be an impact crater?

  • @SuperRobinjames
    @SuperRobinjames 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks

  • @DrCorvid
    @DrCorvid 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When the dikes around the northern seas were being built the sea level obviously had corresponded as did the lingering warmth of the Minoan Warm Period.
    Looking at the arable land there between around 3800BC up to the 563AD volcanics, it's no wonder that both sides of Beringia show heavy occupation of a very large civilisation with extensive ruins, including diking and harbours, on a scale larger than ours is now. And the northern ocean was navigable then too, and within our ability.

  • @jollyroger7624
    @jollyroger7624 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    You only need to look at the geology, the substructure of the Bays, to see what is a "Carolina Bay" and what is not. The bays must have a geology that would support liquefaction, that means a high watertable and deep loose surface soil. But there would have to be many thousands of other impact sites all over North America, in the mountains or solid ground that didn't liquefy, but have weathered away or otherwise become unrecognizable.
    The accumulation of so much evidence that aligns with a single event at the time is irrefutable. The only single event that makes any sense at all, is an impact event. The only impact that could take place without leaving evidence, is an ice impact.

  • @danoneill2846
    @danoneill2846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Cool !

  • @sgtrock68
    @sgtrock68 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I keep going back to a video here on YT somewhere. A guy fires a .45ACP close to point blank into a shallow frozen pond or lake he's walking on. I think it's only a few inches and it may be frozen all the way through. The angle might even be about right too. The bullet bounces a little and skitters around but it finally just sits and spins in an imprint melted into the ice by the hot bullet. There's shattered ice and a slight divot at the primary impact but not really a crater. The hot but pristine, (not mushroomed) .45FMJ bullet was found spinning down for 30 seconds or so. That seems like A LOT of energy to burn off considering there's no hole, no crater, the bullet didn't deform (FMJ or not), and it didn't skip off the ice and keep going. It seemed like forward movement was stopped right there and it was found a few feet away...spinning.

    • @fairhall001
      @fairhall001 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      A bullet does around 1200 m/s or 1.2 km/sec. Comets go around 51000 m/s or 51km/sec. Meteors are a little slower than comets at 12-40 km/sec. The energy from these is considerably more significant.

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is a very unique video, very dangerous BTW as diametric vector is one of its favorite choices. I've often wondered how the lead of rifling was chosen, seems a bit fast IMHO.

  • @jmonty
    @jmonty 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If Lake Michigan was only partially covered with ice, would there be tsunami deposits?

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      A large impact on the lake would have blown the water out of the basin.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helmski The energy of the ET impact was transferred to the ejected ice, which came down with energy of 8 megatons per square kilometer.
      Energy Transfer video: th-cam.com/video/jVv4GPoGnS4/w-d-xo.html
      Energy required to create the bays: th-cam.com/video/x6ZRJbE-klE/w-d-xo.html

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helmski Maybe the lake itself was made by the impact. Scientists don't really know what happens when a comet fragment strikes a glacier.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helmski Kevin, as a hockey enthusiast you should know something about ice. You can fit ellipses by the least squares method to the Carolina Bays and try to explain that: github.com/citpeks/Carolina-Bays-least-squares-ellipse-fitting

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@helmski Kevin, you forgot about the draining of lake Agassiz at the onset of the YDB: th-cam.com/video/cawrBvT1MHM/w-d-xo.html

  • @scottlapierre1773
    @scottlapierre1773 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice work. It seems to me that when one keeps track of all the error bars on all the dating estimates that one finds sufficient confluence to not rule out your arguments.
    Has anyone looked in cores for impact-induced crystal structures?
    What about dating the bays based on erosion and sea level pulses? Again, keeping track of all error bars.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was a recent article that reported shocked quartz. th-cam.com/video/K434-CP0FEk/w-d-xo.html

  • @Marc_D_Young
    @Marc_D_Young 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Tony, the date of both the YD onset and the YDB has been refined to 12,825 - 12,775, based on updates to the intcal curve and slight differences between the radiocarbon chronology and the greenland ice core chronology. This is why all papers since 2015 report the date of the YDB as 12.8 ka, rather than 12.9 ka.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks Marc. I remember the Bayesian analysis paper by J. Kennett that determined the YDB as 12,835-12,735 Cal BP. I use 12,900 out of convenience because these arguments will continue for at least 75 years, and at that time my video will still be relevant. :-)

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My religious texts state that it was 12,700 years ago. I look forward to scientific research eventually confirming this age. 😅

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Antonio_Zamora we, as a species, have the power to get this theory validated overnight if we wanted to.

  • @JamesKonzek-xr5zy
    @JamesKonzek-xr5zy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Go back 400 more years and the earth had no moon.

  • @jlha1
    @jlha1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    try moving the north pole 2.5-3,000 km south to around hudson bay to where it was when the astorids hit,
    they moved the north and south pole those km,
    it explains the sudden climate changes in 4 places on earth,
    it got warmer in North America so the ice melted off quickly and triggered the Younger Dryas temperature drop we only see in ice cores on Greenland but not from the South Pole Vostok glacier,
    it explains why the sudden extinction of plants and larger animals + clovis people because the climate changed in sec.
    the same happens in south america and west antarctica, the ice there is only 12,850 years old, the rest is over 1 million years old, the dead of the big sloth in south south america,
    temperatures in Australia got warmer and it fell in western Siberia,
    but there was no change in South Africa and West Alaska and East Siberia,
    it also explains why the huge glacier here came down through the hudson valley and new york leaving a moraine we today call long island, it was 3 km thick and at least 250 km wide,
    we don't see the rapid melting that happened right after the Astorids hit in the previous interglacials, only in this one and only at the North Pole/Greenland

    • @thirdeyefocus6255
      @thirdeyefocus6255 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The ice cover during the Ice Age was exactly within the polar circle, if you place the North Pole at Hudson Bay. That is why Siberia was ice-free, it was further away from the North Pole and therefore warmer at that time.

    • @jlha1
      @jlha1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thirdeyefocus6255 that's exactly what I mean, the large asteroids moved the pivot point of the globe aka the north and south poles, that explains that Siberia was ice-free before the impact and West Antarctica, that explains why animals in Siberia froze to death with undigested food in their stomachs

  • @dsharpness
    @dsharpness 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    But, aren't some comets ice, ice boulders?...😮

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Comets may contain some ice, but they are coming at 45 km per second which would explode on contact and create circular craters.

    • @dsharpness
      @dsharpness 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Antonio_Zamora Saturn's moons, Tethys, Dione, have some eliptical craters, but search with Carolina Bays-nothing...a few are on the moon too...this study showed the debris impacts from the rocket explosion...like the debri was a low low ark and made eliptical crater...I dunno...one would think there would be lots of eliptical craters on moons if made be ejections from the main impact, but the craters are all typically round with those rebound features in the middle...I guess the surface becomes molton immediately on impact-hence the long long streaks...

  • @TheBludgutz
    @TheBludgutz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe Randol Carson calculated it at 12,888.

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      there seems to be an academic agenda to lower this number as the years go on. now the figure is in the 12,700s when it originally started out very close to 13,000.

  • @beefandbarley
    @beefandbarley 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good science.

  • @torstenkruger7372
    @torstenkruger7372 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    💪💪💪

  • @jdsmith5060
    @jdsmith5060 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The laurentine ice sheet was brought here by a comet at the same time The Carolina bays were formed! The trajectory was to our Southeast. Hudson Bay Prince Edward sound we're just two of the largest impacts creating the 2-mile thick ice sheet. Probably more like a mountain of ice😮

  • @jonathanryals9934
    @jonathanryals9934 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a class of glacial erratics that would have been in any ice that may have been there? Possibly they would have been carried south and left a vague fingerprint.

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We went looking for erratics several years ago: th-cam.com/video/2IjnWHqa_0U/w-d-xo.html

  • @ryanj9364
    @ryanj9364 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You need to be a guest with Hancock and Carlson next time they're on JRE. More scientific evidence to support the impact hypothesis.

  • @anomamos9095
    @anomamos9095 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This theory actually gives a little credence to Noah's great flood story,
    If you strip away the religion and treat it as an oral history and add in similar stories from other cultures the timing is about right.

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It is a good context to remember that the old testament is one family's journal of survival after the cataclysm. There must have been others that did not make it down to us through time or remain undiscovered. The information contained therein has of course been distorted and manipulated over time as you have pointed out. Cargo cults and all that. It amazes me that the information remains as intact as it has for over ten thousand years.

    • @anomamos9095
      @anomamos9095 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@susanyoung6579 Yes the key elements are the warning possibly something visible in the sky before the cataclysm and the duration and the time frame.
      There are other flood stories among native Americans and possibly the Australian natives

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anomamos9095 yes, there are many many oral histories that converge on this event. Just not many written down.

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is correct! Mankind is not mature enough to see past this veiled piece of evidence. I have researched this subject since 1969 and found the proof, without doubt. Universally, in virtually every ancient tradition there is a monster that periodically comes from just under The Pleiades and tangent to The Golden Gate of the Ecliptic that takes away the blue sky and The Sun with destruction and darkness. The radiant of The Taurid Meteor Stream was not known to science till ~1900 (Lockyer) and then 1950 (Whipple), this is our most recent visitor to the inner solar system and crosses Mars, Earth, Venus, and Mercury. The only way that this could have been encoded into traditions is via Conditioning! Creation stories, Cosmologies, are half of the story from just under 13ka with two survivors (The first Man and Woman) with sparse noetic bits of the chaos monster, the causation of The Younger Dryas Impacts Theory / Fact. Alike the Expulsion from Eden after, instead of before, we were kicked out of the Pleistocene. A prime example in this tradition are the two Cherub (Flying Bulls [Lamassu], not chubby babies) with flaming swords (comet), The Thunderweapon (Superbolide) and the Cherub is "The Coverer", concealing the sky (Impact Winter). The other large strike was 4.3ka into the Indian Ocean. It is a Golden Rule not to talk about Religion at work, this is the problem, it was difficult getting them to handle the demise of the lowly thunder lizards, we can not admit it to ourselves. The Real Ancient New Years is when the Trick-or-Treaters (Bad or good outcome?) arrive, right on time, with The Halloween Fireballs (Taurids), but the is The Devils Night! Currently, there is an all out organized assault on this revelation! They are expunging the key, The Pleiades, from the record and deeming that very well learned people who lived between the 16th and the early 20th Century didn't think like this new kitten eye opening trend, but hubris of their light shade of dermis, thus their work is discredited. This includes Halley and Newton who brought this whole idea to science! See : The Society for American Archaeology, heralded a public statement essentially saying that The Bright White Feathered Serpent(s) in the sky of Mesoamerica, that was later Anthropomorphize, is about white domination over other darker dermal shades. Plus, the Flint Dibble controversy. The lead Archaeologist at Gobekli Tepe told me that there is no Row of Seven Birds on site! I found out yesterday that at a new site of The Tas Tepeler Culture were found Auroch knuckle bones under each post of "a meeting place", making about the fifth clear veneration of this star cluster. Think about it, if your discipline is "The Story of Mankind" why would the story stones not be turned over? It is like barring witnesses in court. And no space proxies allowed either. I have read their approved modern literature and The Pleiades is conspicuously absent, and they truly believe that the iconic Flying Bull is about virility / life-giving / rejuvenation, the complete diametric to destruction. Fixated to the dirt, they are. Like this "Pale Blue Dot" is an anomaly to intersecting space debris of the inner solar system.

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@susanyoung6579 I gathered a compendium of them.

  • @1966jcar
    @1966jcar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    solar plasma hit earth when had micronova at that time

  • @TheAnarchitek
    @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably was not 12,800 years ago, and definitely was not an "ice age".

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheAnarchitek You say "probably" and then "definitely". So what was it and when was it?

    • @TheAnarchitek
      @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Antonio_Zamora I disbelieve in Ice Ages, so "definitely" is the operative word. However, you ention the time period as 12,800 when there was an "ice sheet". That might have occurred, for an entirely different, if eminently possible, reason. One of the poles was located in northeastern Canada. I say "one", because there is no way of knowing whether it was "north" or "south".
      Archaeologists working in the Mediterranean (from Spain-Morocco to Afghanistan-Iraq) have identified pottery with SEVEN different orientations for "north". It seems that wet clay, in the transition to pottery, adopts the magnetic signature of Earth, allowing the researcher to rebuild the kiln, from the pottery, or the pottery from the kiln. Except for the seven variations.
      Along the same lines, the Temple at Jerusalem was razed to its foundations, and rebuilt, seven times, in the same general time frame. It becomes clear why this would happen, when one understands the process. On the easterly wall, a door opened onto another door, and then, another, and another, until one finally opened onto the altar. When the doors were all open, the first light of the rising Sun would strike the altar on the Vernal Equinox, alerting the faithful to the onset of Spring. Time to plant, and prepare for Summer.
      Similarly, on the westerly wall, a series of doors opened, that allowed the last rays of the setting Sun to light the altar, telling Jews it was time to prepare for Winter. These were vitally important facts, to an agrarian community, and are reflected around the world, in "medicine wheels" in Alberta, and at ancient ruins like Chaco Canyon.
      WHY would people repeatedly have to verify, unless the Earth's position, or tilt, had been changed? We have a rich history of the ancients keeping a close eye on the sky. Why else, but that things came out of nowhere, literally, and destroyed the world around them. Jews only became monotheistic, in the 12th Century BC, around the same time as the Fall of Empires. What could have happened, that so affected the world, the principal empires came crashing down, at the same time? Polar dislocation.

    • @TheAnarchitek
      @TheAnarchitek 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Antonio_Zamora I apologize for the delay in responding. I wrote an articulate response, but TH-cam ate it. I came down with a cold, and it's taken a week to get back to normal.
      It probably wasn't that long ago, and the events that did occur were not due to an "ice age", but a polar dislocation. Several locations in Canada, perhaps Greenland, and most lkely the Gulf of Alaska were temporary polar locations. A Big Dumb Rock began threatening planet Earth about 4,500 years ago. causing major damage, by depositing the oceans, on the (still-unbroken) plates. Water collected in depressions (probably no mountains, either), and began to seeks its own level, as water is wont to do.
      Evidence of a pole suddenly appearing in the southern Alaska region can be deduced by the thousands of skeletons that clogged gold-dredging operations, in the early 20th Century, including animals not typically found in arctic climes, and by the 100 thousand mammoth carcasses strewn about Siberia. That those carcasses are still covered with hide and flesh speaks to a much shorter time than previously assumed.
      The passage in II Kings and I Isaiah that talks of the "return of the ten degrees taken from the clock of Ahaz" refers to two polar dislocations, the later one probably not returning to the original location, so much as one close to it. I differentiate between two voices for that "prophet", separated by almost 4 centuries, the 1st at the Fall of Empires, in the 12th Century BC, the 2nd at the conclusion of extraterrestrial events, circa the time of Homer's Trojan War.), do
      e for Religious purposes not connected to the narrative.
      An ice-covered planet makes good science fiction, but not good science. Earth is 4.5 billion years old, so a lot of things happened, long before puny humans arrived. Earth of less than 10,000 years ago would be almost unrecognizable to modern humans, in my opinion, regardless of their specialty or training. Hidebound examples of inquiry and theory insist "things have always been the same", as in the "steady-state" approach of Lyell's Uniformitarianism, a theory now now widely debunked. Earth was subjected to countless external forces, over the eons, some of these causing internal forces to dominate.
      I disbelieve in Ice Ages because it presents as lazy thinking. The theory does not stand up to scrutiny, was roundly criticized, when first broached, but seems to have been forgiven that failing, in the decades since. The ice sheets theorized did not exist as a global phenomenon, but as polar locations, so my answer fits, "probably not long ago", and "definitely not do to a global phenomenon that could be termed an ice age. If you want to go back a few hundred millennia, before the emergence of Homo Sapiens, I might be convinced Earth spent time in interstellar space, before finding a spot in Sol's parade.
      Something separated our species from its past, around 5,000 years ago. The record goes blank, as if mankind's penchant for scribbling on walls only occurred to our distant ancestors a matter of a few thousand years ago, or, after 98% of our history as a species. Like a person who lives a full life, decides to start writing their story, by proxy, in their declining years. Again, possible, but improbable to a fault.
      Chinese, and Indians, seem to have longer records, but the Indians are based on Vedic Sanskrit records, compiled in the post-Flood period. The Chinese records may extend the timeline to the late 6th Millennium BC. However, whatever happened before the Flood was erased from the landscape, except for the odd site, probably in a sheltered location, during the crisis.

  • @Davidsavage8008
    @Davidsavage8008 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just go back to 536 A.D. when darkness warmed the ground and mudd flooded many above the 40th parallel .

  • @stevehall729
    @stevehall729 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Using AI to give you factual data is where you are way off @Antonio

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I used AI only to verify the numbers by Wickert. They were reasonable, right?

    • @susanyoung6579
      @susanyoung6579 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Antonio_ZamoraI agree with OP that using AI to provide answers blemishes what is otherwise an extremely good presentation. It's not helping your cause. Thank you for all your hard work.

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Antonio_Zamora Isn't there a change due to insertion of space debris alike radioactive isotopes pre and post nuclear devices?

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@bardmadsen6956 A publication by Firestone in 2009 found radiocarbon dates in the future for several Carolina Bays. He blamed it on C14 enrichment.

    • @bardmadsen6956
      @bardmadsen6956 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Antonio_Zamora I recall, but do others account for the possibility? It is analogous to Barringer Crater said to be ~50ka, I bet no one considered the monstrous atmospheric disturbance, bombardment, and the unimaginable effects of this event that would accelerate the proposed date considerably. Thus, showing space falls happen much more often than portrayed.

  • @alexdetrojan4534
    @alexdetrojan4534 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🙄

  • @petarswift5089
    @petarswift5089 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Typical Catastrophism. The big bang, the asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs created the conditions for the appearance of man and the impact of the asteroid ended the last ice age for man to create civilizations. God's finger?! In any case, greetings from Serbia.

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      truth is oftentimes stranger than fiction.

  • @123pietasty321
    @123pietasty321 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plasma discharge...

    • @Antonio_Zamora
      @Antonio_Zamora  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unfounded assumption...

  • @discocorco
    @discocorco 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:24 I haved lived in Wisconsin on and off for over 40 years. I can tell you that convergence point is over top of the Horicon Marsh. It is basically a 50 square mile hole in the ground, Actually, there are giant holes all over that part of the state, Green Lake is the deepest.

  • @Sueezedtight
    @Sueezedtight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As an aside and not necessarily contradicting the Nebraska rain-water basin orientations, Lake Nipigon in Ontario is an extension of the Carolina Bays lines to Saginaw Bay and it was definitely ice-covered at that time as well as coinciding with the draining of Lake Agassiz into Lake Superior.

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the elliptical basins in the Upper Midwest do not consistently orient to that site.

    • @Sueezedtight
      @Sueezedtight 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AustinKoleCarlisle Exactly as I stated. The Nebraska astroblemes may have come from an additional but coeval incident.

    • @AustinKoleCarlisle
      @AustinKoleCarlisle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Sueezedtightthere seems to have been at least 4 convergence sites and Lake Nipigon does not appear to be one of them.