Exactly what I’m currently trying to figure out. I’m very hopeful your instruction will be helpful. The hip n torso coiling parts were fantastic. A lil too much side bend stuff at the end got a lil convoluted. Excellent video , I’m looking forward to more. Thank You
I think important takeaways here are: 1. The shoulders and hips are complex structures with multiple bones and joints that act as levers and hinges. 2. Dialing in the right level of coil or rotation throughout the body for the type of throw isn't easy because of the anatomical complexity, and movement timing. 3. The legs have bones that rotate at their hip, knee, and ankle joints. Internal rotation is greatest at the hips, limited at the knees, and the most limited at the ankles. I think people throwing for distance want as much rotation of the shoulders relative to the hips, only enough rotation of the hips as needed. Rotation of the various parts of the leg needs to occur only to the extent needed to facilitate the above.
Thank you, 39y/o and my hips are so tight and weak i struggle with the internal hip rotation. I'm going to incorporate some of these drills to help build up strength and balance.
@@dwarflord2k3 xero scrambler mid waterproof The ones that go up higher are the mids. Very good, I tried the popular vivobarefoot and these feel more comfortable to me and similar durability. Almost never slip either, Michelin rubber!
Wow, I can't believe you are recommending people do drills to turn their hips away and facing their butts toward the target. Totally contrary to what pros are teaching. Why are you teaching side bend? So many amateurs side bend and slow their whole swing down and wreck their coil and uncoil. You are putting thoughts about two things into new players heads that should not be thinking about either of these things. Way too much info about things that are not simple effective drills. TMI.
@@chrysr7773 it’s more of a defining mechanics and showing some examples of how to feel certain things individually rather than a series of absolute beginner drills. However, I don’t think the amateurs who wreck their coil and uncoil are usually doing this from side bend, I think it’s more because they lean backwards then topple forwards over their brace which is not side bend as I explained in the vid. Part of coiling IS turning your butt (to some degree) towards the target, but it’s doing it WITHOUT turning the feet backward which is what makes rear hip coiling instead of just turning feet backwards and running backwards. It sounds like your issues are more with people running up backwards and leaning away from the target then toppling forward, which is not what I am recommending, and I specifically mentioned to not do in the video and show how side bending actually helps avoid. I also said that side bend normally happens automatically when you coil for real, and you normally don’t have to think about it, but since this is a video about defining mechanics, I want to define each of the main mechanics of coiling.
@@chrysr7773 also, plenty of pros have outdated beliefs they teach, such as squish the bug or pour the coffee for nose down. Most pros who coach just coach on the side and aren’t focused on becoming pro at coaching and only give the same basic advice you can get anywhere. I went to two different pros for coaching just to see and it would be been much better to have gone to a dedicated coach. Both of them didn’t have anything beyond regurgitating the basics to tell me.
This is the best discussion on coiling I've ever seen. Brilliant.
Exactly what I’m currently trying to figure out. I’m very hopeful your instruction will be helpful. The hip n torso coiling parts were fantastic. A lil too much side bend stuff at the end got a lil convoluted. Excellent video , I’m looking forward to more. Thank You
I do find level of body mechanics very interesting like you elobarelately explain it, excellent!
Awesome information per usual
I think important takeaways here are:
1. The shoulders and hips are complex structures with multiple bones and joints that act as levers and hinges.
2. Dialing in the right level of coil or rotation throughout the body for the type of throw isn't easy because of the anatomical complexity, and movement timing.
3. The legs have bones that rotate at their hip, knee, and ankle joints. Internal rotation is greatest at the hips, limited at the knees, and the most limited at the ankles.
I think people throwing for distance want as much rotation of the shoulders relative to the hips, only enough rotation of the hips as needed. Rotation of the various parts of the leg needs to occur only to the extent needed to facilitate the above.
I never thought about the side bend. Great video.
It's funny to see Eagle when he goes close to full power. Before the throw has even started, he is grinning his teeth, he coils so hard.
@@AxisDiscPowers yeah I’ve noticed that too
Thanks
Solid explanation 👍
This has been very helpful. Look forward to the next video on run up. Thanks.
Thank you, 39y/o and my hips are so tight and weak i struggle with the internal hip rotation. I'm going to incorporate some of these drills to help build up strength and balance.
Awesome drills!
Thank you!
3:10 think torso coiling
Great content dude. What shoes are those? They look like what i want for next season, some mix of zero drop mte's
@@dwarflord2k3 xero scrambler mid waterproof
The ones that go up higher are the mids.
Very good, I tried the popular vivobarefoot and these feel more comfortable to me and similar durability. Almost never slip either, Michelin rubber!
Wow, I can't believe you are recommending people do drills to turn their hips away and facing their butts toward the target. Totally contrary to what pros are teaching. Why are you teaching side bend? So many amateurs side bend and slow their whole swing down and wreck their coil and uncoil. You are putting thoughts about two things into new players heads that should not be thinking about either of these things. Way too much info about things that are not simple effective drills. TMI.
@@chrysr7773 it’s more of a defining mechanics and showing some examples of how to feel certain things individually rather than a series of absolute beginner drills.
However, I don’t think the amateurs who wreck their coil and uncoil are usually doing this from side bend, I think it’s more because they lean backwards then topple forwards over their brace which is not side bend as I explained in the vid.
Part of coiling IS turning your butt (to some degree) towards the target, but it’s doing it WITHOUT turning the feet backward which is what makes rear hip coiling instead of just turning feet backwards and running backwards.
It sounds like your issues are more with people running up backwards and leaning away from the target then toppling forward, which is not what I am recommending, and I specifically mentioned to not do in the video and show how side bending actually helps avoid.
I also said that side bend normally happens automatically when you coil for real, and you normally don’t have to think about it, but since this is a video about defining mechanics, I want to define each of the main mechanics of coiling.
@@chrysr7773 also, plenty of pros have outdated beliefs they teach, such as squish the bug or pour the coffee for nose down.
Most pros who coach just coach on the side and aren’t focused on becoming pro at coaching and only give the same basic advice you can get anywhere.
I went to two different pros for coaching just to see and it would be been much better to have gone to a dedicated coach. Both of them didn’t have anything beyond regurgitating the basics to tell me.