NEVER Trust Aftermarket Oil Filters! Nissan Titan/Armada 5.6L V8 VK56DE - Solving the Whining Noise
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I diagnosed a strange engine noise that sounded like a bad serpentine belt or alternator failure. The issue was an STP aftermarket oil filter that failed after 2 months. Watch this video to see why it failed and the importance of using an OEM Nissan filter to prevent oil starvation issues or eventually permanent engine damage.
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Never had an issue with any car using an aftermarket filter.
Unfortunatly, I did
I like how Nissan was smart enough to put a spout for the oil filter to drain so it doesnt just get all over everything like most cars.
Duh! Looks like a valve....IT IS A VALVE. It is a bypass valve and is required for almost all oil filters made. It is designed to allow oil to continue to flow throughout the engine if the filtering media clogs up so the engine is not destroyed. YOU DO NOT have to use the filer from the manufacturer, just make sure to purchase a filter that has a bypass valve and all is well. In fact, many aftermarket filters do a better mob of filtering that the manufacture's filter.
THIS VIDEO IS REALLY MISLEADING AND FALSE IN ITS ASSUMPTION TO SAY "NEVER USE AND AFTERMARKET OIL FILTER" ON A NISSAN.
Spot on.
Car manufacturers generally do not make their own filters. When an engine is designed, they work with a filter manufacturer to get a filter that will match the requirements of the engine, and its location in the vehicle. That manufacturer will then make filters with the car manufacturer's markings on them, but may also make some with their own markings, to sell to the aftermarket.
Often, filter manufacturers will be geared up to make thousands of the same filter, to feed the manufacturing line. When a vehicle or engine is replaced, tha demand will drop, and often the car manufacturer will switch their source for the replacements to a different manufacturer, but to the same performance characteristics. So therefore, an OE replacement might not be the same as the OE fitment. This will be true of many components, not just filters.
The real moral of this story, is to always buy from a good brand name. STP should be OK. Could be the wrong filter for this engine, or perhaps a odd one that didn't get manufactured correctly.
As said above, all filters need the by-pass valve, not just for a clogged filter, but for cold startup, when the oil may be too thick to pass enough through the filter, so some by-passes to ensure the engine has sufficient. The removed filter, that apparently has no by-pass valve needs careful examination. Without a valve, does it have a big hole instead, so little oil gets filtered, or is there a different type of valve inside? If no valve, filter element could have been breached, which might account for the noise.
I'd recommend contacting STP to discuss.
I am not sure about the bypass system in the STP. I filmed this video about a year ago and just posted it. I've learned a few things about oil filters since then. I think the STP was originally too restrictive, and after about 1.5-2K miles, it really started to struggle to get oil through at idle or low rpms, which was causing the noise. I am not for certain on this, but the issue was starting to happen more and more over time and only noticeable during a warm idle.
I am a mechanic since more than 30 years. I never, ever bought an OEM filter.
Branded filters are made by "aftermarket" companies. For instance, Honda oil filters are made by Honeywell and Fram.
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I always use the factory Ford filter on my car. I order them from rockauto for less than i can buy a Fram for locally. Ill add 4 or 6 to my order when im ordering some other part so i always have some.
Lots of controversy on this topic, but I think when it comes to oil filters, OEM is better than anything aftermarket.
I don't know why this is such a controversial topic. I'm sure there are good aftermarket oil filters out there, but why not use the OEM filter designed for your engine when they are usually cheaper anyway. Regardless of your contradicting research and opinions on the topic, my aftermarket STP oil filter was making a very loud and odd sound only after 1.5k miles, and after replacing it with the OEM oil filter 4k miles ago the sound has completely disappeared. Therefore I'm sticking with OEM oil filters for now on.
At a certain message board, there are people who are very vocal and adamant that oil filters that use cardboard end caps on their filter elements (I won't name them, but their brand name has 4 letters and they are orange in colour) are "superior". In addition, there are other people on this message board who are very vocal and adamant that 5W - 20 and 0W - 20 oils are superior and take anybody to task for using 10W - 30 or 5W - 30 oils.
I was going crazy checking every pulley and my power steering pump and researching everywhere once i found your video i looked at my
Oil filter which is a stp brand and guess what there it was i did a oil change and gone exact same noise gone i put a k&n filter thank you very much!
That's awesome, glad my video was a help.
I usually stick to higher end ones ... Purolator makes good stuff
Yep my 04 did this,now i only use WIX
used amsoil and puralator boss filters for 50k and never had a noise at all. Also my oil was still clear after 7k miles every time when i changed it. Cleanest running motor i have every owned
I've always heard Amsoil is pretty good. I just wish they sold it in stores.
Why?? Just don't buy the cheapest filter on the shelf because yes you do get what you pay for. Wix is really good along with Bosch puralator K and N mobile one etc just go mid line in the price range though.
Is this a known issue? As many are saying here it's sort of hard to see how the filter is doing that. The only thing I could see if the oil pump puts out too much pressure/flow and forces the bypass valve open under normal conditions, and the Nissan filter opens easier/more than the aftermarket filter. Either way I'm glad you found a solution, and it's a fairly easy one, as well as a cheap OEM filter. With my Nissan I went the other way. During COVID I could not get a Nissan filter and went aftermarket and really have not gone back to Nissan filters for convenience reasons.
I found a few forums pointing to the oil filter being the culprit for the sound, but to me, it sounded like a belt or alternator going bad. Once the sound started getting worse, I took the splash shield off and listened very carefully, and sure enough, it was the STP oil filter I just installed less than 2k miles ago. I cannot confirm what exactly failed on the STP filter, but if I had to guess the filtration was too dense for oil to pass through at low rpm's, especially when it started to get clogged with debris. I'm assuming the rubber valve was slightly opening during these rpm's, which was causing the noise and kept oil pressure stable. I've actually had a similar issue recently with my f150 using a Fram filter. I'll probably make a video discussing that in the future. Anyway, I'm going to stick to OEM filters for now on, I'm sure there are good aftermarket ones, but the cheap ones are trash from my experience.
@@rosstrittler i just had this problem, and it was definitly the filter. I have never bought a OEM filter but will only use them on this Armada from now on. Wish I saw this video before I put another after market one on. Was worried it was the crankshaft or something. Not a belt or the alternator. Wasn't a cheap filter either. Noise was exactly the same as in this vid.
That sound you are hearing might be from the power steering pump. If your Nissan is over 80 to 90 thousands miles and you have never changed the power steering fluid, you might want to do it sooner rather than later.. Nissan, like others, does not have a schedule for changing the power steering fluid. However power steering fluid gets dirty and thicker over time, and, on a cold start Nissans are known to make that noise until the fluid warns up. So give that power steering fluid a check and change it.
Never changed the PS fluid but the noise in the video is 100% the oil filter. After I swapped it out with the OEM filter and new oil the sound went away entirely and its been over 4k miles since.
I used all aftermarket oil filters in a 2000 legacy. 358,000 miles with just head gaskets. Body rotted out put the engine in a Baja still going. 337,000 on a Honda accord. I'm using supertech full synthetic high mileage oil too.
It's just my suggestion. Some people who smoke cigarettes every day don't get cancer in their lifetime.
great vid sir
Much appreciated
OEM do not make their own filter. They just put their name on aftermarket brands and charge more money
Regardless, OEM filter, meaning, the original filter that was put on the engine from the factory.
Congrats on hitting 1k subs! Titan sounds nice.
Thanks!
Nissan does not make oil filters; as all other car manufacturers. Just buy quality filter and specified oil; no need to complicate things.
Regardless, the packaging says Nissan, and this is the original filter that was put on this engine from the factory. That's cool if it's made in a sweat shop in China, but it's still the OEM Nissan filter.
You poured oil into the CLEAN side of the oil filter. This runs contrary to every manufactures recommendations and introduces UNFILTERED oil into the engine. Let's say you open that jug of oil and something falls into it when you are not looking when you pour it into the CLEAN side of the filter it goes right to the bearings. If you feel you need to "prime" the oil filter do a flood start on the car. Press the pedal all the way to the floor while cranking and the engine will crank without fuel. The thing at the bottom of the filter is a bypass valve and the sound you were hearing was likely that valve. The cheaper filters use bent metal sheet as a spring and they are poor quality.
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Uh no, should I have also strained the brand new oil with a coffee filter before I poured it all over the valvetrain? That's a ridiculous statement bro. All priming the oil filter does is make sure the engine has oil during first start up, and the paper inside the filter doesn't crush when it gets introduced pressurized oil from the oil pump.
@@rosstrittler THIS is why I don't let other people touch my vehicles. There is one path to the bearings in the engine and it is through that tube that you screw the filter onto. Literally every manufacture says NOT to do what you are doing. It's the entire reason I service everything myself. Just opening the bottle of oil subjects it to whatever falls off your meat hooks or the rusty screw you used to open the bottle. EDIT: Tolerances are tighter than ever before. You spend $$ to make sure you have the best protection why would you want debris to be delivered into the bearings? It's NOT the same as dumping it over valvetrain... EDIT2: Oil filters remove stuff smaller than you can see... Even dust size particles are an issue ESPECIALLY when delivered INTO the bearings.
You still can't convince me, no matter how long your comment is, and how many times you edit it.
@@dersteer are you an M.E.?
Who sponsored this video? Nissan?? Never ever had an issue with non-OEM oil filters on my Nissans or any other brand of vehicle I’ve owned for that matter. What this guy is saying… I‘be never heard.
No sponsor, just sharing my experice with an aftermarket oil filter that failed after 1.5k miles on my Titan. OEM filter fixed the issue and the sound still hasn't come back after 4k miles.
I always use manufacturer/OEM oil filters on all of our cars.
Can't go wrong with OEM
What year is that?
2007
Also Nissan is not Nissan anymore their owned by Renault or Fiat now and the French aren't exactly known for building reliable cars.
America is not known either for building super reliable cars.
I come from a background of BMWs, so everything else is reliable to me.
Nissan does not make filters!
Aftermarket filters are NOT different than the same OEM produced by the same company!
But intelligent people do pay attention to the specifications like back pressure and oil flow rate.
That metal valve is the by-pass valve for when the filter is clogged. All of them have it, but ignorant people don’t know how an oil filter is made.
The rubber valve is the anti drain valve, which is NOT needed when the filter is upside down.
You could have used an OBD tool to compare the oil pressure before and after. Almost sure there was no difference, so now let’s see if the noise/issue does not come back!
The STP oil filter is clearly different than the OEM Nissan filter, just look at the internal design when I compare them side-by-side. There is an oil pressure gauge built into the dash on the Titans, and no there was no difference in psi and I didn't have an issue with oil pressure anyway with the STP filter. The issue was the loud noise at idle and it has been completely eliminated with an OEM filter so far with 4k miles.
Are these Nissan V8s reliable, can make it to 300k miles?
Mine had 280k before I sold it, and I would not be surprised if it got past 300k.