GS is playing great for the most part, but has lost 12 games in the last few minutes because they can't get crucial end game stops. That is where having GP2 to bolster that closing defense could have given us 5-6 or more of those games.
Coach Brown is the missing piece Look at what he's doing at Sacramento...where were the kings last year...where were they the years before that...Coach Brown was our defensive coach...so during games he will change up whether it be zoning or man to man...look at the kings in the 3rd quarter...similar to what gs used to do...
Actually, here's how you keep both. Rescind the deal, GP2 goes back. They now have 16 players (because they brought in two players in other deals). They have to get down to 15 players. GP2 pressures them to either buy him out or waive him, allowing GS to get him back. Everyone's happy but those MF'ers in Portland : D
I truly wish things worked out with James, but I think the coaching staff failed to properly develop him and the best thing for him is to be on a team that can give him reps and live with the growing pains of being an uber talented big with little knowledge of how to play as a modern NBA center. Another year of being on the Dubs is not going to help him much. Too bad we don’t have a loan system where we can loan him to another team for the season then bring him back. But I agree that the cap savings is important if we’re going to retain Dray who every game shows why he’s the second most important Dub. GP2 is a great addition and we need his spirit as much as we need his game.
I think there is a battle of ego's between Kerr, Meyers, Lacob off the court, and Poole and young guys versus the OG core on the other. Two many agendas. JK should be featured downhill to improve the ft/foul disparity and equalize the offense between threes and paint, but JK is being leashed so tight under the guise of 'only the designated shooters can shoot,' creating serious confidence, chemistry, and balance problems on team.
Facts while still looking good you can see jk being way too passive at times because he doesn't want to "get in trouble" and Kerr is too stubborn to feature him on offense, same with wise, def could of been a beast on offense if not something else
@@yoooo6896 Totally agree. With Wiseman, he's offensively gifted enough to trade baskets, giving the starters a rest without losing ground, and allowing him to practice defensive reps in an actual NBA game. Instead he was supposed to just set picks and rebound, while less offensively talented bench players jacked up threes and contested twos, and then Wiseman got blamed for the bad -+ numbers. This is the first time since the Oubre debacle that I've lost confidence in Kerr and his team. Just seemed like Wiseman was mismanaged at every stage of the last 3 years.
10:23 pm GP2 was just playing because Portland cleared him even though he was not physically ready to play. They shot him up with drugs and forced him to play so he would be desirable as a trade piece. He wanted out of Portland and I believe that was one of the reasons why. They were more concerned about themselves than his well being.
@@SEANTHEMOST well i blame no one but bad luck and injuries for what is happening with the warriors right now. they have a season full of injuries. steph being injured 2 times, wiggins injuries + non covid illness, wiseman, jk, JMG, Donte earlier in the season
There's actually enough blame to go around - Kerr's tunnel vision and odd lineups, Steph Klay Jordan all play hero ball in the 4th, Draymond punching Poole, Klay + Wiggs being semi lazy/half step slow in defense, Wiseman acting afraid of contact, Kuminga getting too emotional at times, Donte reaching too much, Looney with careless fouls, the ENTIRE team turning the ball over + not locking in for 48mins + whining to the refs all game every game.
Gary allows them to play a lot of people they normally can't play. He opens a lot of the play and he's great at explainging plays. Di and Gary are not the same flavor of player. I'd even play them in the same damn rotation
The team suffered because the defense was buns. Kerr playing the young guys actually hone their team defense skills where now they are a better team overall than they were at the beginning of the season. Teams that win chips have so much stuff in the off season to do with interviews and personal appearances that when the regular season starts they are bone tired. In the last week they went from 9th place to 5th place, they are gelling.
Wiseman: is a jr high mentality...so..keep GP2 get a fill-in big on the buy out mkt...And take your chances... GS was blessed w/good luck last year...this year: not so much...
@@Jordan-wd7vv Fax i'm not necessarily saying keep Wiseman i'm saying he's worth more than a trade for an unhealthy GP2. We can get something better in the offseason.
Although I like a couple of the comments, this goes to what I think the tension between Joe Latham and Bob Myers going on behind the scenes. Joe likely wants to keep Wiseman. Bob wants to build a super team. I’m one of the few who feels that this discarding of James is going to bite the Warriors hide in the butt. Nothing is guaranteed and increasingly, a deep playoff one is not in the Warriors cards. That’s going to give Joe serious ammunition that will likely blow up the franchise anyway. Clays not going to take a hometown discount. Draymond definitely will not. And the team has already shown that they’ve turned a few pages by elevating Jordan, Paul, and Maple Jordan, a.k.a. Andrew Wiggins. Without Ramen and clay, the Warriors aren’t going to make it to the top hotel, the rest of the team grows into those spots. By that time, Steph Curry is likely to be out of his prime.
2:28 Chauncey Billups, in the words of the fictional, sitcom character Fred G Sanford, “you big dummy!“ Someone’s front office is going to get eviscerated for this. Chauncey might be going back in the broadcasting for this.
Also, this is why athletes after their careers over their lives, and hell are in shambles. These men are injured yet the pressure to get out there and just play wow their body never heals is why the entirety of sports is one big animalistic savage uncivilized mess.
Yall think I'm on crack, but I think the "only" player I'd rather have more than GP2 is KD himself. I know yall laughing at me but GP2 is the glue and betters Steff, Klay and Dreymond. Their lives are so much easier and the opponent can't plan for him.
You aren't too far off the mark. Look up 538's Raptor score on GP2 last year. He was in the top 5 total raptor in the entire league. GS was +13 with him on the court versus off the court. He helped get wins last year with crucial late game stops, something we're missing this year. GP2 was the greatest 15th man in the history of the league in my opinion.
Wiseman might not be mentally strong enough, motivated enough to become the players fans want after a failed deal. That's like the bf breaking up with a crying gf taking her back the day after because something went wrong with the NEW girl he was gonna get with. Vice Versa if you switch sex.
An abdominal injury is not like a bone, joint, or muscle injury. It is much more serious and involves soft tissue and vital organs, which can limit his playing time because of chronic problems as time goes by! This is why Portland wants to trade him! Payton is not going to be able to play like he did when he was with the Warriors before. He is no longer an asset , but a liability to them now! I pray the Warriors will get out of this trade even if it means they don't go to the playoffs this year! Keeping Payton would not be the wisest decision to make at this time!
Poole's behavior in the 4th quarter is most likely ego. I understand the competitiveness to want to surpass Curry and take over the mantle but in his youth he's just tripping himself up and doing the opposite. GP2 I think the league will step in for mediation but ultimately Warriors hold onto GP2.
Dray messed up the chemistry with the punch, and may I say more so with the leak, he stood down as he should have or should have even more so in my opinion. Pool shows he doesn't give a shit like he did in the finals. The team as a whole don't want to play playoff games all season long like they have been having to do to win. b/c the other teams are bringing it to them, & they dont want to be exhausted if they make the playoffs. like the play off game feel of the first game of the season,.so the consistency is not there. As well as they are over confident while they play half ass until they want to prove a point then they get it together temp. Their pride is the issue with the whole team. A lack of management and of consequences on the pool punch is the fault of the organization, causing this horrible chain reaction of an elite team being 28-27. It is common sense to know you can't have physical violence and trust be there as it was in past years. So strength in # 's doesnt work now.
A video headlined "What's up with the Gary Payton II for James Wiseman trade?" fails to answer the question the headline asks is nothing but click bait.
Sorry to say it’s pool he’s good but very careless wit the ball in the 4th quarter that cost the warriors few games I would’ve made the deal for OG In give up poole n a pick
@@bangwithcamino693 you don’t kno basketball OG gives the same amount of points wit better Efficiency shooting 47% n 35% from 3 thats better then pool in he’s only 25 way better Defender and will not turn the ball over in the fourth quarter that move would have 3 great Defenders in the starting lineup with Wiggins, OG, and Draymond Warriors would definitely be favorites with that move you crazy
@@stoney735 No, they wouldn't which is why the Raptors wanted Kuminga and not Poole. Even GS knows Kuminga has a higher ceiling than OG. Poole can score 40, OG struggles to get 20. Poole avgs 21 and OG avgs 17. You can't even bring up shooting vs Poole. There's no comparison. Jordan's numbers are worse because he shoots bad shots but when he's locked in, he is unguardable. The only argument is off vs def even though Poole can play D when he wants. OG wouldn't even start for GS.
Wiseman isn't fitting the warriors needs. GP2 is a favourite not only amongst fans, but players and coaches too. So it's a good trade despite the injury.
You must be new around here. New rooters need to just 🤫. The old fanbase does not want GP2 🔙.JUST PHILOSOPHERS TH-cam BOTS & PEOPLE THAT CAN'T EVEN PLAY BASKETBALL
@@truthserum6672 Sorry to tell you that you gonna lose the bet. The fact that I disagree with you doesn't make me a trash fat ass old hater. I just have a different opinion. You just gotta accept that not everyone is gonna agree with you and not get pissed off.
GS is playing great for the most part, but has lost 12 games in the last few minutes because they can't get crucial end game stops. That is where having GP2 to bolster that closing defense could have given us 5-6 or more of those games.
Or just not playing JP.
great analysis
Coach Brown is the missing piece
Look at what he's doing at Sacramento...where were the kings last year...where were they the years before that...Coach Brown was our defensive coach...so during games he will change up whether it be zoning or man to man...look at the kings in the 3rd quarter...similar to what gs used to do...
Actually, here's how you keep both. Rescind the deal, GP2 goes back. They now have 16 players (because they brought in two players in other deals). They have to get down to 15 players. GP2 pressures them to either buy him out or waive him, allowing GS to get him back. Everyone's happy but those MF'ers in Portland : D
They won’t buy hit out
@@marvinboakye8469 Well they can't keep 16 players, so what else would they do?
@@darylfindley7551 Wait are you saying Portland will have 16 players ?
@@marvinboakye8469 Yes, they sent out two and brought in two in other deals. If GP2 goes back, they will have sent out only 1, giving them 16 players.
blazers could just cut someone else like arcidiacano
I truly wish things worked out with James, but I think the coaching staff failed to properly develop him and the best thing for him is to be on a team that can give him reps and live with the growing pains of being an uber talented big with little knowledge of how to play as a modern NBA center. Another year of being on the Dubs is not going to help him much. Too bad we don’t have a loan system where we can loan him to another team for the season then bring him back. But I agree that the cap savings is important if we’re going to retain Dray who every game shows why he’s the second most important Dub. GP2 is a great addition and we need his spirit as much as we need his game.
Just read they have until 930pm on Sunday to decide
I think there is a battle of ego's between Kerr, Meyers, Lacob off the court, and Poole and young guys versus the OG core on the other. Two many agendas. JK should be featured downhill to improve the ft/foul disparity and equalize the offense between threes and paint, but JK is being leashed so tight under the guise of 'only the designated shooters can shoot,' creating serious confidence, chemistry, and balance problems on team.
Facts while still looking good you can see jk being way too passive at times because he doesn't want to "get in trouble" and Kerr is too stubborn to feature him on offense, same with wise, def could of been a beast on offense if not something else
@@yoooo6896 Totally agree. With Wiseman, he's offensively gifted enough to trade baskets, giving the starters a rest without losing ground, and allowing him to practice defensive reps in an actual NBA game. Instead he was supposed to just set picks and rebound, while less offensively talented bench players jacked up threes and contested twos, and then Wiseman got blamed for the bad -+ numbers. This is the first time since the Oubre debacle that I've lost confidence in Kerr and his team. Just seemed like Wiseman was mismanaged at every stage of the last 3 years.
@@darylfindley7551 Kerr did all of it on purpose .. he doesn't know how to play bigs and it shows
It's good that wiseman got out, warriors environment seems to be poisonous now, everyone their has personal agendas
I agree it's the Core/Kerr/Myers vs Lacob/youngsters.
Gp2 was just playing. I believe he needs some treatment and a short rest. I think he will be back this season if they keep him and he will produce.
Then why did the Warrior medical staff fail his physical and say that he would be out for like 3 months?
@@WhatsWongNow because that was what the source said. They told montey 3 or 4 weeks.
Muscle tear in abdomen, at least 2 weeks for surgery and 10 weeks recovery, plus rehab.
10:23 pm GP2 was just playing because Portland cleared him even though he was not physically ready to play. They shot him up with drugs and forced him to play so he would be desirable as a trade piece. He wanted out of Portland and I believe that was one of the reasons why. They were more concerned about themselves than his well being.
All I hear is blaming James wiseman when he didn't play is it his fault we are a 500 team ?
you gotta blame someone. you cant blame the coach he gave them 4 rings, or their star because they are playing well
@@rosbin56 let's blame getting killed in the paint.. or klay jacking up 3s most of the season or Jp the dribble god 🤔 maybe we could blame draymond
@@SEANTHEMOST well i blame no one but bad luck and injuries for what is happening with the warriors right now. they have a season full of injuries. steph being injured 2 times, wiggins injuries + non covid illness, wiseman, jk, JMG, Donte earlier in the season
There's actually enough blame to go around - Kerr's tunnel vision and odd lineups, Steph Klay Jordan all play hero ball in the 4th, Draymond punching Poole, Klay + Wiggs being semi lazy/half step slow in defense, Wiseman acting afraid of contact, Kuminga getting too emotional at times, Donte reaching too much, Looney with careless fouls, the ENTIRE team turning the ball over + not locking in for 48mins + whining to the refs all game every game.
@@bangwithcamino693 you're right, i hope they can see that and fix it
Toradol has been widely used in the league for years. It's an NSAID in the same class as aspirin or Motrin. It's not fentanyl....
Yea but if the guy has a torn muscle they do a lot of damage and pain to not get it fixed right away.
Gary allows them to play a lot of people they normally can't play. He opens a lot of the play and he's great at explainging plays. Di and Gary are not the same flavor of player. I'd even play them in the same damn rotation
Piece of dirt Basketball IQ🤮 GIVE Wiseman 🔙, ASAP. Dumb ass management you can leave now
Am I the only one who wanted to keep Wiseman?
Not mad at GP2 coming back tho. If you said Wiseman 4 GP2, I say yes but 7 footer always helps.
If GP2 does go back to Dubs I sure hope it's a raise in pay.He shoulda never left.keep his skills in Portland I say.kerr is fickle
Why can't we get foul call? Thats parts of the problem alone with, this year we really might need a center
Kuminga does not a timeline make. 2 timeline approach died when they botched Wiseman pick/development. This dynasty could've been GOAT level 😔
The team suffered because the defense was buns. Kerr playing the young guys actually hone their team defense skills where now they are a better team overall than they were at the beginning of the season. Teams that win chips have so much stuff in the off season to do with interviews and personal appearances that when the regular season starts they are bone tired. In the last week they went from 9th place to 5th place, they are gelling.
Wiseman: is a jr high mentality...so..keep GP2
get a fill-in big on the buy out mkt...And take your chances...
GS was blessed w/good luck last year...this year: not so much...
It’s all about money savings. They need to resign Bob, and he’s going to be expensive af
I love having GP2 back but we basically traded Wiseman for an unhealthy GP2.. it's not a sensible trade for us when we need win now pieces
Wiseman doesn’t even play anyways lol.
@@Jordan-wd7vv Fax i'm not necessarily saying keep Wiseman i'm saying he's worth more than a trade for an unhealthy GP2. We can get something better in the offseason.
Fanboy's are the worse, give Wiseman 🔙 ASAP, management you can leave now
@Jordan he doesn't play because of kerr.....not because be can't help lol its crazy yall can't see what's right in front of you
@@yoooo6896 thats the point, kerr still coaches this team, eh? smart comment.
Keep him. Have fun.
Is still believe that Warriors with core 3 will still win Finals.. just do it for SC30,, core players need to pick up their games..
Give the Warriors some extra. Give a pick back or throw in another player. The Warriors are trying to win a another championship.
Daryl Findley I like the way you think
Money and gp was huge
I hope this trade gets vetoed or not continue....bunch of redundancies in each team involved in terms of positional needs....
Can we get Allen from Detroit?
Although I like a couple of the comments, this goes to what I think the tension between Joe Latham and Bob Myers going on behind the scenes. Joe likely wants to keep Wiseman. Bob wants to build a super team. I’m one of the few who feels that this discarding of James is going to bite the Warriors hide in the butt. Nothing is guaranteed and increasingly, a deep playoff one is not in the Warriors cards. That’s going to give Joe serious ammunition that will likely blow up the franchise anyway. Clays not going to take a hometown discount. Draymond definitely will not. And the team has already shown that they’ve turned a few pages by elevating Jordan, Paul, and Maple Jordan, a.k.a. Andrew Wiggins.
Without Ramen and clay, the Warriors aren’t going to make it to the top hotel, the rest of the team grows into those spots. By that time, Steph Curry is likely to be out of his prime.
2:28 Chauncey Billups, in the words of the fictional, sitcom character Fred G Sanford, “you big dummy!“
Someone’s front office is going to get eviscerated for this. Chauncey might be going back in the broadcasting for this.
Also, this is why athletes after their careers over their lives, and hell are in shambles. These men are injured yet the pressure to get out there and just play wow their body never heals is why the entirety of sports is one big animalistic savage uncivilized mess.
Get a injury exemption for gp2 and sign a big and Westbrook
Forget that Dame signed or War
Yall think I'm on crack, but I think the "only" player I'd rather have more than GP2 is KD himself. I know yall laughing at me but GP2 is the glue and betters Steff, Klay and Dreymond. Their lives are so much easier and the opponent can't plan for him.
You aren't too far off the mark. Look up 538's Raptor score on GP2 last year. He was in the top 5 total raptor in the entire league. GS was +13 with him on the court versus off the court. He helped get wins last year with crucial late game stops, something we're missing this year. GP2 was the greatest 15th man in the history of the league in my opinion.
@@darylfindley7551 well definitely agreed!
A Playoff rotation of the Hall of Fame 3, Loon, Wigs, Poole + Lamb/Kuminga/Green/GP2 is enough to repeat healthy.
should have gotten Westbrick
Wiseman might not be mentally strong enough, motivated enough to become the players fans want after a failed deal. That's like the bf breaking up with a crying gf taking her back the day after because something went wrong with the NEW girl he was gonna get with. Vice Versa if you switch sex.
I don’t think Poole is any more reckless than Curry at the end of games.
But he's a lot less efficient on offense and much worse on D so his recklessness is compounded.
An abdominal injury is not like a bone, joint, or muscle injury. It is much more serious and involves soft tissue and vital organs, which can limit his playing time because of chronic problems as time goes by! This is why Portland wants to trade him! Payton is not going to be able to play like he did when he was with the Warriors before. He is no longer an asset , but a liability to them now!
I pray the Warriors will get out of this trade even if it means they don't go to the playoffs this year! Keeping Payton would not be the wisest decision to make at this time!
I think James Wiseman’s gonna come back
its highly unlikely ofcourse im not saying it will not happen but if he did cameback it will be hella awkward for the team
Don't think he would want to come back to this bad environment
Poole too wild with ball
Poole's behavior in the 4th quarter is most likely ego. I understand the competitiveness to want to surpass Curry and take over the mantle but in his youth he's just tripping himself up and doing the opposite.
GP2 I think the league will step in for mediation but ultimately Warriors hold onto GP2.
Dray messed up the chemistry with the punch, and may I say more so with the leak, he stood down as he should have or should have even more so in my opinion. Pool shows he doesn't give a shit like he did in the finals. The team as a whole don't want to play playoff games all season long like they have been having to do to win. b/c the other teams are bringing it to them, & they dont want to be exhausted if they make the playoffs. like the play off game feel of the first game of the season,.so the consistency is not there. As well as they are over confident while they play half ass until they want to prove a point then they get it together temp. Their pride is the issue with the whole team. A lack of management and of consequences on the pool punch is the fault of the organization, causing this horrible chain reaction of an elite team being 28-27. It is common sense to know you can't have physical violence and trust be there as it was in past years. So strength in # 's doesnt work now.
3rd
A video headlined "What's up with the Gary Payton II for James Wiseman trade?" fails to answer the question the headline asks is nothing but click bait.
Sorry to say it’s pool he’s good but very careless wit the ball in the 4th quarter that cost the warriors few games I would’ve made the deal for OG In give up poole n a pick
So without him what will happen to gs and curry is still injured can they win?
You would be fired as a GM. Poole has the potential to be an all star, even all NBA on a good year. OG will always be 2/3rd option on a team.
@@bangwithcamino693 you don’t kno basketball OG gives the same amount of points wit better Efficiency shooting 47% n 35% from 3 thats better then pool in he’s only 25 way better Defender and will not turn the ball over in the fourth quarter that move would have 3 great Defenders in the starting lineup with Wiggins, OG, and Draymond Warriors would definitely be favorites with that move you crazy
@@stoney735 No, they wouldn't which is why the Raptors wanted Kuminga and not Poole. Even GS knows Kuminga has a higher ceiling than OG. Poole can score 40, OG struggles to get 20. Poole avgs 21 and OG avgs 17. You can't even bring up shooting vs Poole. There's no comparison. Jordan's numbers are worse because he shoots bad shots but when he's locked in, he is unguardable. The only argument is off vs def even though Poole can play D when he wants. OG wouldn't even start for GS.
I couldnt watch after I saw that chain
FIRST CRAZY
🤢Fanboy's are the worse give Wiseman 🔙 ASAP, management you can leave now 🤬
Wiseman isn't fitting the warriors needs. GP2 is a favourite not only amongst fans, but players and coaches too. So it's a good trade despite the injury.
You must be new around here. New rooters need to just 🤫. The old fanbase does not want GP2 🔙.JUST PHILOSOPHERS TH-cam BOTS & PEOPLE THAT CAN'T EVEN PLAY BASKETBALL
I bet you can't even do a behind the back dribble, some people have much nerve to voice their opinions
Why give him back so Kerr can dnp him because he doesn't just set screens like Looney
@@truthserum6672 Sorry to tell you that you gonna lose the bet. The fact that I disagree with you doesn't make me a trash fat ass old hater. I just have a different opinion. You just gotta accept that not everyone is gonna agree with you and not get pissed off.