J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 3 - What is communication with others?
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- J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 3 - What is communication with others?
Summary:
Q: What does it mean to be serious?
In the word 'communication' is implied the art of listening.
Listening demands a quality of attention in which there is a real sense of having an insight as we go along, each second.
Communication implies that we must be at the same level at the same time, with the same intensity, walking together on the same road, thinking together in the same tongue, observing together, sharing together.
Responsibility means total commitment. The world is in a mess and it's my responsibility, living in this world as a human being who has created this mess, to be serious about its resolution.
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"So to respond adequately to a challenge means that the 'me', which is the past, must end."
I think thats well put. If i employ this at every occasion. There isnt a past me to conflict with. I am just what is in front of me requires of me
These 18 talks is so pure with great intentions that it can never be repeated in history. I challenge you to find anything as practical. Yet so mind opening at the same time. You can't now a days because everyone is either engrossed in occult knowledge, hog wash spiritualism, eat rhis eat that, breathe like this, read this lol.... and so on. It's easy to miss gems like these and get caught up in the vortex of knowledge.
sinkiy observations are fully true
This is one of the best talks ever . The dynamic between these was awesome. Very respectfully and deep insight 🤩😘
Instead of hammering in religious and traditional teachings in a child. If JK philosophy is inculcated in the child this world would have been a better place for everyone to live.
It's impossible not to find yourself
So true. This is probably some of the most valuable content on the whole internet. Immensely grateful to have come across it.
This is the topic addressed by Krishnamurti that is most interesting to me. Communication is thinking together, listening with utmost serious attention. As it's commonly done in our present society, "communication" is more a competition. It exacerbates, rather than solves conflict. This is the root of the problem of violence.
Television was really something else in seventies
This is one beautiful truthful conversation.
what words ! These people take communication to its logical meaning bringing out words alive.Thanks.
i feel like i'm starting to see some things clearly, there were some parts in this video where i got stuck but by actually pausing the video and by going into it deeply i can start to see that as a fact and not just some idea. this conversation is trule incredible. i never thought that actual seeing or listening is the doing and can bring the radical transformation.
Shri Krishnaji, you will always remain in our memories ✨✨for your gr8 words🙏🙏🌄🌄
We must go beyond the words to see what is
We are Fortunate to listen to these talks 🙏 .
1. Communication is not accepting or rejecting but thinking, sharing, and creating together.
We get real insights by listening.
2. Communication implies being concurrent at the same level, pace, intensity.
3. It requires seriousness from both parties. Seriousness implies the intent, urge, and feeling of responsibility.
4. Responsibility is the ability to respond adequately to any challenge.
5. The key to observation of the problem is not to look at it with prejudices, inclinations, tendencies, pleasures, fears, but to respond to the problem. Our translation of the problem may be fragmented.
6. Plans must be current and must address the problem at hand. Not theoretical plans of the past. How is adequate response possible if one is rooted in the past?
7. Sometimes we approach a problem with a conclusion in mind. Predetermined plans can clutter our perception.
Look at a problem like an act or a magic trick that will reveal itself.
8. The idea of success in society implies that one imitates, conforms, seeks authority, power, money, acts ruthlessly, without love, lacks consideration, and separates oneself from the other. This is what leads to violence in relationships.
9. Drop the idea of success and what’s left is whole again.
10. If we delegate responsibility, we become irresponsible.
Thanks for the notes Ashutosh 🙏🏽
excellent
Amazing sequence of talks, full of importance and commitment by both parts! thanks for the sharing.
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This feels more relevant and necessary to understand than ever before. I experience very little genuine communication these past years. I experience quite a lot of waiting to speak and defend an irreversible position.
Thank You so much for sharing. 😀
K spells it out 50 years ago....Brilliant stuff.
Best to all that are on this journey.
Lovely
Dr. Allan Anderson helped me a lot to finally understand that "The observer is the observe"
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Meaningful. Beautiful.
Imagine if all students could watch and discuss these talks over the course of many years. It would be the most important education ever experienced. The reason the world doesn't really seem to function is that people can not think or listen properly. They are always operating from a position without being truly open. They have made a conclusion and compare everything to it. They have made up their mind according to their beliefs without considering if they really know anything.
I would run to the school as happy as never
Serious in the sense of playing a musical instrument.
The infant Buddha walked 7- steps into each 4 directions, saying, "In heaven and on earth, only I exist, I am the only one who is responsible for all there is. It is my responsibility to alleviate suffering that has been consuming the world"....?
These talks are wonderful! Thank you for making them available!
I hear Krishnamurti's explanations to be so simple and so clear in these conversations yet Dr. Anderson keeps verbally complicating it by paraphrasing. I have been finding it frustrating because it is already difficult enough to look, to be honest and to observe the mind trying to do triple saltos in the air and here comes Dr. Anderson joining me in that performance 🤣 Why can't questioners keep it as simple as J.K? lol
Learning is the doing ❤️
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Seeing is the doing ❤️
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great lines 🙏
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To be in communion takes from Krishnamurti the position of authority which seems necessary for actually understanding of what is being communicated which seems to be to put the self in order so that relationships may be formed without the fragmentation that occurs when one exists in conflict within oneself
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The only thing more amazing than this series of miraculous talks is Allan’s eyebrows…..good lord those brows look like they could do karate chops.
Very interessting viewpoint, that the observer is separated from the observed, when he comes in whith his beliefs and predetermined conclusions. But all his beliefs and predetermined conclusions comes from his past. So the only way to handle this correct, is that the observer must put away his past and must observe, whith all his attention in the present time. That means that observing from the present time, is the only way to correctly confront the problem. And only then one will see the correct solution to this problem, because his past does not interfere with his perception of the problem. That is the only way to see the truth in this. And only when one confront the problem directly, it can resolve and disolve.
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The trouble with responsibility is at least fourfold: each of us invariably believes we are utterly powerless or impossibly insignificant to make any effective change in or to the world (and, so, we see no incentive in even trying); no one we revere, admire, or otherwise are inspired by is doing anything to change the world (so there is no one to lead by example); those of us who do want to change the world are doing so in our own image (that invariably clashes with others and their images); and, perhaps most importantly, few-if-any of us have any clue whatsoever as to how to go about making necessary changes because, as JK explains, we have been conditioned to believe that it is our leaders and institutions responsibility to change the world (and we will either follow because we agree or resist because we disagree).
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I'm at a point here. There is solid. SOLID 😁
1st I must learn from problem.(don't come with solutions to it)
Learn to meet the crisis.(look at it without the past)
Negate success
Dr Anderson looks like the boss from Sonic the hedgehog on Sega lol
He also looks like Heihachi Mishima from Tekken 4 if Heihachi became a scholar lol
@@r3b3lvegan89 my thoughts exactly sir
52:46 I make myself irresponsible. By delegating a responsibility to you, I become irresponsible. Whereas now we are saying, nobody is responsible except you, because you are the world, and the world is you. You have created this mess. You alone can bring about clarity, and therefore you are utterly, completely responsible, nobody else. That means you have to be a light to yourself, not the light of a professor, analyst, or psychologist, or the light of Jesus or the Buddha. You have to be a light to yourself in a world that is becoming utterly dark. That means you have to be responsible.
From Dialogue 3 with Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, 19 February 1974
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Funny, Dr. Anderson claims he doesn't undetstand what Jesus and other scriptures mean when they say that we hear but dont listen. Yet he continues saying to K, "Yes, I was just thinking right now as you were speaking....." lol
That's what they mean, sir.
I used to think that too. My first encounters with these dialogues I thought Anderson was completely aloof- but he gets it and so does K. The format and context of the dialogue necessitates emergences that are unnecessary if not impossible in a public talk with only K on a stage. Anderson is no dullard. He is no ideologue. He is simply operating in the field of knowledge.
Until that distinction is made, Anderson looks like a tragic example instead of one who is abiding.
He tries so hard to phrase things in a way that will not irritate Jiddu... I noticed the exact same thing. Especially when Jiddu says- all those religious teachings are useless, and AWA responds- oh yes well that reminds me of a teaching from the vedas hahaha
This is becoming too hard slowly im utterly confused.
I feel like only psychedelics give me understanding of whats going on and the rest like listening without my mind judging/giving any conclusions and meditation is meaningless compared to the psychs..
Im only 19 so maybe i have time to figure this out but damn its hard...
Ive spent literally hundreds of hours meditating and its not the same as psychedelics like dmt/shrooms and i mean that. The psychs is like instant change that J krishnamurti is talking about in these series.
Should i give up just a little? im really into it for like 2 years and i see change but i feel like i torture myself and i feel empty.
My diet is on point rn and i cut almost everything off and i still struggle and its not that im running away from it but its just looking meaningless and my mind is still here and always wants the next and the next thing and if i say no i feel like i punish myself probably cuz im identified with it.
Am i taking it too seriously or should i just be "entertained" and enjoy life as a young male?
I feel like i torture myself for the higher purpose and that just also doesnt seem right and obviously from what i had heard.
Does it really matter? Day by day i feel more like im too weak to do this im really confused theres just so much info out there..
I think im gon keep going like i always do but damn i feel like nothing is right rn even tho i had all these crazy experiences but they are just the past..
So the journey is the point not the destination right? I wont get enlightened if i chase it. Im really confused i dont know what to do anymore. Is all this maya and im being punished for something that ive done? Am i the one responsible for everything even tho i dont feel like im a bad person? I dont know nothing. The more i know i know i dont know shit. Im in awe and im in despair at the same time. Life is beautiful and cruel, even when i say ok i dont run away from suffering im content with it im ok with everything as it is i still feel empty after days of doing it. Im just playing tricks on myself and i dont know how to escape and i think there is no way to escape. As i write this i see that these words are meaningless and everything just is. Why is my mind such a bitch? How do i get rid of it?
I dont want authority i want fellas to let me see their point of view:)
This is all mind, it's always about u not the what is.
So please see if this is really u
These videos can not help anyone..and that is very much evident in the conversations itself. Intellectual sensations can be taken very easily from these talks...but that will further reduce the possibility to understand. 🙏
They helped me tremendously. The other day I looked in the mirror and I said to myself- "What you need to do is to keep doing EXACTLY what you are doing". I have never said that to myself before. These videos are perfect for someone who does not believe in the supernatural and has a tremendous reliance on their inner monologue... So, if you want to say "These videos can not help most people" perhaps that could be correct. But I am sorry to tell you your current thesis is wrong. Because these videos are helping me, a lot.
no talk or anything else helps anybody to get to "the understanding" , but I'm sure as far as reducing the possibility is concerned, anything works.. 😆
but still there remains the possibility. and anything might work to provoke it.
These talks effectively changed my world.
Going into this with the feeling am worse and need to get better is a shallow approach.
Even if we listen however as many times as possibly the reality is we are still trapped in the self- with our images, past etc. We still think thought has movement that I am not good now but will be better tomorrow.
So from the videos we can see what are the main problems of human beings but still cant escape from it or resolve it in the now
@@kellykiernan7785 I studied with Dr. Anderson in the 70's. He would be the first to tell you that these videos aren't concerned with "most people." They are concerned with the listener and his/her relation to himself/herself. He often cited the Sermon On The Mount where it says at the beginning Jesus spoke to his disciples. He didn't say he spoke to the "people", the masses.
Mr Anderson is verbose and circumlocutory and lost in his scholarship.
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