J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 2 - Knowledge and conflict in human relationships
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- J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 2 - Knowledge and conflict in human relationships
Summary:
Q: What place has knowledge in relationship?
There must be freedom from the known, otherwise the known is merely the repetition of the past, the tradition, the image.
The observer is tradition, the past, the conditioned mind that looks at things, at itself, at the world.
When the observer observes he does so with memories, experience, hurts, despairs, hopes, with the background of knowledge.
Whenever man operates with that knowledge in relationships there is division and therefore conflict.
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Intelligence par excellence…”So a mind that merely observes, doesn’t react to what it observes according to its conditioning, which means there is no observer at anytime, therefore no division no conflict”. This is the crux of his teachings said so clearly in this conversation. Long live the teachings and message of his excellency JK sir. May more and more benefit from these invaluable gems of wisdom. May more and more people view and watch these videos. May there be a million a billion and a trillion views. Every human needs this. Thank you Krishnamurti trust. Love you guys.
Well summarized brother
How can i have no observer 😭 how can i bypass the ego
So... the observer is the ego...?
Where and when was it born or realized?
Watched it several times, and finally saw the innate freedom that is present anytime, anywhere. This man gave my dead soul a life-saving CPR. The whole world must listen to this conversation as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will be seriously doomed. Humanity will be seriously doomed.
I think you should start living from what you have learnt.
Man, I love these conversations. I have been waiting to listen to intelligent people for so long. Most people in my life are so dull and waste their energies away.
This man is a pure gift to humanity!
There are times I listen to K and I become so peaceful I drift off to sleep like when you were a kid and your head hit the pillow and you’d drift off to sleep instantly sleep the entire night and wake up feeling like a brand new person
I am deeply grateful that I get to watch and listen to these educative videos.
9:10 Freedom implies not the negation of known, but the understanding of the known and that understanding brings about intelligence, which is the very essence of the freedom 😊
I got it and now I am recovering from my sort of depression and it is happening with an accelerated mutation . Marely listen info and appreciating is not enough . At least someone should give a intense attention and observe the insight n energy as a result of change . Then that is J Krishnamurthy!
People should listen to this conversation seriously.
their conversations are beautiful
freedom from the known as well as knowledge go hand in hand. the inner and the outer are two sides of the same coin. BEAUTIFUL.THANKS K THANKS ANDERSON
"hopeless activity" he says. There is so much of that today. People are hopeless and yet full of activity to distract themselves.
This discussion has given me a NEW vision regarding relationship. J's explanation of concepts just like to hear an expert surgeon's sugery, surgery of my old way of thinking, old concepts etc.
Thanks a lot for uploading this video.
I wonder if the real feeling yourself being an object among other objects there being no subject whatever This is not mystical
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Thank you very much for sharing this incredible and very important talks!
On of the most important conversations I've ever listened to
just deeply touching, brilliant and exquisite.
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No holy books on this earth have anybody written or experienced or talked. Its only krishnamurti person has experienced the ultimate where nobody can reach. Love you sir thank you for transformation which is taking place after hearing.
it is simply an enthralling and life changing experience to listen to these conversations between two most sensitive and deeply concerned people like K and Allan W.Anderson.THANKS
something changes in me when i try to see these facts in my own life and how i live, how i behave.
You are so great sir .....ultimately !!!
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This is such a beautiful conversation. JK as always so simple, so direct, so clear. To me personally Anderson when asking questions or paraphrasing so to speak makes it more complicated, more wordy, more intellectual which gets confusing and therefore frustrating at times. The question comes in mind - JK just explained it so clearly, why do you go and twist it?” 😂
Still these talks are amazing.
I think the same
thank you so much for uploading these
It shows how rich were these people were using the right words in their dialogue. Its unfortunate that todays world of AI cannot and will not compensate or create such wonderful things . Truly great human being. There has to be a dictionary made of there words
17:26
A : that's the problem.
K : that's one problem.
( Every word matters ) !
Astonishing clear.
In one line
Operation of Thought(knowledge,time, observer) in relationships of one's being leads to all kinds of misery.
Towards the end of this discussion, they talk about listening (or lack thereof) to what may be ultimately viewed as uninteresting, unrelatable, or just plain boring (but critical if any of us desire to change our mindset and end suffering). The question here is: can any of us listen without knowledge - without being the observer? If not, are we not simply seeking change for the sake of change itself?
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Was this series shot same day? It's amazing. It must have been extremely engrossing for Krishna ji himself to take a conversation from basic to the end. The whole package as Krishna ji would say!
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For this series Krishnaji and Anderson had an average of two conversations per day between 18 to 28 February 1974.
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"The whole package" 😅i read it in his voice.
Funny, how I read a science paper today, in which a quantum physics experiment proved reality is not objective.... which is what this man has been telling us for years....
Yup we all live in our personal realities
Very interesting
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49:25
I’m listening 🥹
i will keep listening all 18 conversations till my mind brain is free from habitual traditional fragmentation and division.
The very essence of Being..just as the millenial dilema - to be or not to be...feels like it is an existential timeless message hidden there - ...to not to be for the content from the known , but to Be present inwardly for yourself and the world as a whole ?!
Immensly happy for Krishnamurty existed in such materialistic illusive world where mind is often tricked and struggle , much too occupied outwardly to grasp a blink of the Truth rooted in each everyone of us.. as I recall now he once said something in this sense- I just sit here now and say all that , but if there were 1000s to think like this they would go and do it...So true, sadly after 50 years people still stay on pause and even more devided and scared than ever just did not take a drop from Krishnamurti's pure words for to change and evolve globally together for good as mankind and all is in our hands...
I think this conversation is really important.
However, it is difficult to fully understand what he is saying.
Thank you for sharing these videos :)
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Jiddu is not a very good teacher, BUT Allen W Anderson is an amazing teacher. Together they make a powerful delivery system for a topic that seems so foreign and elusive. Beautiful series. Recommended to all.
What are you saying? He's not a good teacher?! You are not that smart man. Most stupid opinion I have read.
Je me réjouis et c'est terminé, ça sera définitivement terminé qu'une fois que je serai mort.
Tout sera définitivement terminé qu'une fois que je serai mort.
i'm sure there are atleast a few people who are actually listening.
How can one observe the fact without the past(which is observer).
How can you understand the words, without the conventional sounds that has been given to you by society ? . it's funny but there is no fact to be observed all there is, is " "
I suggest watching more k dialogues, these might not be the best if you’ve never listened to k before
@@rickeshpatel4025 suggest more links pls.. this is the 2nd K video i'm watching
You have to watch and watch and watch.... And don't have a o pinion.. And if you do. Try to watch. Its seems to be Bert difficult because want to judge and thats the observer with his knowledge, experience, past etc...
Past is always there. One is neither ignoring it nor acknowledging it in the present moment, probably loosing oneself in the daily wonders of life like a child gets absorbed with a toy, although that toy has been around with the child. It’s like standing in front of majestic Himalaya and watching it without the interruptions of the words. Hard but K and many others have been living examples of this phenomenon.
This conversation is so clear yet the Bible is so vague and dull.
Praise fo J.K. words.
For the description not to be the described describes a necessity for there to be a deeper desire to know the essence of that which is described as to not simply be describing only the description where the described is left to be observed by the observer and this all says much of the relationship between the one describing and the one intended to be the observer...in this I am simply trying to say how Krishnamurti describes how philosophical ideologies are lacking without the importance being focused on humans to have fulfilling relationships which if nothing else is gained through what is being said the most important message would still have been understood
two real samurai.
Does somebody know if is true that the word "Progress" means "entering into enemy's country fuly armed"
as K. says in 58:22?
I looked up the definition in Spanish, in an etymological dictionary but it doesn't seem to be true…
I don’t understand the idea of the recursive proliferation of the disorderly condition
mauvaise traduction à 23:30 : "la liberté est un sentiment d'austérité absolue et d'ABSENCE total de l'observateur" et non pas de refus qui contredit tout ce qui a été dit. Notamment à 19:30 Jiddu explique que le savoir et la liberté doivent coexister ensemble et qu'il ne s'agit pas de rejeter le savoir (=l'observateur , le moi, tradition ...)
I and the other or I and not I/me. Like there is objective reality, it is real to I, but it is just a reality which is not the truth.
Believing that there is objective reality and even your body is being an object , is not of the truth, but of the reality.
Comprehending that objective reality- observed is illusion the observer observes
JK: I is the past. Alan: I see :D
Lol
The Dr. is having a hard time to understand the speaker.
I find that his slows down the flow of the conversation to such a painful degree.
Highly disagree, jiddu himself talks slow and jiddu is also very logical and decisive and would not continue these lengthy conversations over several episodes if jiddu thought it was a waste of time or have a bad host, and in fact you can see the appreciation in jiddu face and it lightens up as he sees the host soaking in the information, he was a good listener too
No he is not.
Its a conversation, the Dr is saying good stuff as well, and he is clearly understanding the speaker
@@Psicokass I would like him to listen better with less interruption. It's so annoying.
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