Father Fidelis Mukonori, Religious Leader and National Peace Maker In Conversation With Trevor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this week's episode, Trevor sits with Father Fidelis Mukonori, Religious Leader and National Peace Maker. They discuss the 2023 Elections, the importance his involvement in negotiating the exit of Former President Robert Mugabe in 2017, negotiating the GNU between ZANU PF and MDC and his relationship with his friends Rex Nhongo and Josiah Tongogara. They also discuss the key issues from Father Mukonori's book 'Man in the Middle', the importance of dialogue between Nelson Chamisa and President Emmerson Mnangagwa and many more
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Why is it father did not give us his book recommendations
We should not allow our leaders to play with our lives. 😊😅
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Sadly, father did not speak honestly concerning current issues. It buffles me that we all know the systems which ZANU PF has put in place. State institutions belong to a political part, we all know this. Why in the world is it not being talked about. The Zim case is a sad one. We will continue to pray to God almighty, Jehovah is his name.
Thanks a lot for your observation it’s so sad that most of the comments are here praising this man. Honestly these old man are so conservative to their post independence ideologies and cannot change at any point in time. Defending ZANU PF is sad.
With the way the election results were doctored it doesn’t take much to realize it
I agree with you, l think he was just indirectly defending Zanu and he avoided direct responses to Trevor’s questions
they are judging him as a priest but i was disappointed he is a bit old and tired to current issues
I also felt it was an underwhelming interview. He dodged commenting on current issues and he is clearly either out of touch with reality or he deliberately covered his comrades
It’s a shame,that this guy is being praised ,whereas he has just indirectly fueled a zanu pf propaganda instrument.It’s a pity he honestly denies that the election can’t be stolen ,as if he is not aware of the Zanu pf instruments and institutions that are used to advance the regime”s agenda in the discourse of the election..
And also Nelson Chamisa bring him on this amazing show
Chamisa and Trevor dont get on Trevor anoita se aka torerwa babe na Nero he hates him so much I dnt know why
Trevor said Chamisa anoramba. Chamisa might have good reasons coz Fidelis Mukonori has already showed his cards so I doubt father will be of any help to our situation.
Trevor hates Chamisa with passion,he suggests that Chamisa wants to continue the Zanupf machinations,
From what i hear from Father Mukonori,we going in circles,the flushing and crushing of opposition is persisting.
Trevor you are a treasure, your inquisitive mind is very insightful and honest
Father, you are very elusive in your answer to the Question of the Election issue you are answering in circles
If we had a man like this Father being involved in negotiations,then we have a big problem.He can’t even explain much and he is very slow.He is the type of man who wants to be heard instead of hearing the problems.His training by the United Nations provides nothing of substance to Zimbabwe and we all know that that organisation does not care about Africa,so to me, what he was saying makes not relevance to Zimbabwe’s problems.Those two lawyers he is talking about are the exact example of people who want to be heard and win but not look at the problems faced in Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans.
He just provided the worst responses
Agree
He lacks indepth analysis in his answers about election issues, he might be a good moderator on bringing disagreeing parties to the table but he is not good at giving answers with substance
I agree he was too slow to answer as if he is thinking deeply only to say stupid statements, what crooked man. I don't think he is a good arbiter I think he just hummers one side to submission during arbitration.
He was actually part for the problem
Trevor you could be a prophet... Just this Thursday I was talking to someone wishing you brought Fr Fidelis Mukonori. He was my priest @ Chishawasha in 2011. I just feel he has a lot to really talk about. The man has information. I literally am waiting for this! 33hrs waiting could kill me hahaha
He must come back and share more on Tongogara's death
Something tells me the Father is not coming clean on certain questions..
You can say that again
Certainly 100% correct
Thank you @InConversationwithTrevor for bringing Fr Mukonori to the show. What an icon he is
Very sad that our elders are scared to tell the truth we all know how our current leaders deal with critics 😭
How true. The bishop makes no mention of the completely flawed nature of the election. Maybe he’s got a farm or two.
I think you're mistaken father Mukonori is not afraid to speak but as a Catholic priest he can't discuss things he talks to people in private. That's kind of how it works. This is probably why he is also the best negotiator. Everyone can have an open conversation with him without fearing the news headlines tomorrow.
Good interview. Should have allowed him to finish the Tongogara story. That was the most informative version ever told and I guess we will never know now...
Tongogara was killed by team mugabe. Josiah tungamirai and others knows it they were part of the gang
That’s an old story and we have got tired of hearing versions of it . We are interested in current issues
@@imath68 Absolutely but tell father to be truethful
"Intelligence is something we are born with.Thinking is a skill that must be learned"- Edward de Bono-
Critical thinking.
Being @ Chishawasha before he came was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life and many students would agree. I was young but everyone felt something had changed as soon as he arrived and he was the right man. Everyone loved him.
Thanks @InConversationwithTrevor for this high profile interview but then my concern is why do you cut your interviewees in the midst of explanation of some points. Your are not letting them finish their points
Wonderful interview indeed. Will the good Father bring Mr Mnangagwa and Adv Chamisa together for the solution of the current stalemate in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe have suffered enough.
Even if Mnangagwa will have Chamisa killed, he will keep his mouth shut. No wonder why ZANU PF trust this man of God.
Father mentioned that we need to regulate our leaders, how do we regulate them when they themselves violate the laws they put ? there's gross abuse of law in Zimbabwe
Best Interview ever
For a man who knows so much....he does share little. Not really happy with the way he doesnt divulge much.
This conversation didnt reveal the depth which it was supposed to Father has alot which he could have articulated
I agree with you 100%.... my sentiments exactly...
Trevor: How do you see the recent election?
Fr Mukonori: I once went to Moza
Zimbos: He is so full of wisdom
😢😢😢
This shows you kuti vanhu vedu vakadzungaira
1. Hehehehe, you summarised best
2. Havasi vanhu vedu ava, ma fakes aana Trevor ava all staging it. It’s their bottom line - Trevor admitted in conversation with Ibo, that signing the petition doesn’t affect his bottom line. I think he meant it.
He lost the relevance of the question there he might be an honourable priest bt pamubvunzo uyu varasika.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahaha ngaze ngahleka! Easily one of the worst conversations. Was so looking forward to it but disappointed
Fr Mukonori is a well educated Jesuit and very senior for the matter so with due respect please answer the questions truthfully baba vozve mweya and help the country go forward please
I read the comments section before I watched the interview. I think I'll give it a miss.
Indeed he been the man in the middle through out Deno vana Mutendi vadzidzawo one or two things from him vawedzerawo on their capabilities
Hi Trevor,
Did you intentionally cut the Father when he wanted to give Josiah Tungamirayi's version of Tongogara's accident? When you came back from the break, then you started asking something else.
"Man's frailties and ficklenes is abound" I liked that part. We have to guard against.
Ko kungo taura shona Father
😢
Man in the middle is a masterpiece
Peace maker!!my foot
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Fundamental flaws in both Munangagwa and Nelson Chamisa
1. They are "learned friends", and lawyers are good at playing mind games with their "clients" by using outright deception, lies and subterfuge to achieve their ambitions.
2. Their intricate knowledge about gullibility of their followers is what fertilizes their egos.
Amazing. Father Mukonori is so gentle and factual. Its almost like he can tell you that you're a fool and you would thank him hahahaha.
Yaa speak for yourself
@@imath68 that's exactly what I am doing and I can almost say that's what everyone in the comments section is doing.
Zanu vanoti nyika ino hatongwe ne Election
And our dear father can not speak the honest truth😂😂
Unfortunately, i give this show a 2/10 for the simple reason that it overlooks the fundamental reason why elections are disputed; CONSTITUTIONALISM.
l think Fr Mukonori avoided giving direct responses, and he chose to say what he wanted to.
@mee4084 HE is also afraid he chose to criticise Ccc and chamisa that they continue to reject but he knows zanu is notbstraight the sadc report is there why didn't he talk about that what about zbc not allowing ccc on tv what about faz what about ballot delay in their strong hold . He knows the danger so ge decided to attack the doftbsidebhe is part of tie problem
MR MUKONORI YOU ARE NOT TRUE TO YOURSELF YOU CHOSE NOT TO REALLY THE TRUETH YOU ARE ALSO AFRAID YOU KNOW ZANU PF IS KILLING MACHINE SO YOU OPT TO GO FOR SOFTER TARGET CCC AND CHAMISA. YOU PRETEND AS IF YOU DONT KNOW THE WAY ZANU RUN ELECTIONS IN ZIMBABWE. . 2008 PEOOLE WERE KILLED YET YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY PEOPPE ALWAYS REJECT THE RESULTS YOU ARE PART OF THE SAME OLD PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT WAR AS IF WE MUST NOT QUESTION YOUR SHORTCOMINGS IM AICK AND TIRED OF YOY LOT. ZEC IS CAPTURED THE JUDICIARY THE ARMY THE POLICE . YOU KNOW ZANU IS MESSING UP. WHY DIDN'T YOU TALK ABOUT SADC REPORT ZBC REFUSAL TO AIR CCC AND FAVOURS ZANU PF. BANNED RALLIES THE GUY KILLED IN GLEN NORAH WHAT KIND OF A PRIEST ARE YOU WENA. WHAT ABOUT FAZ AND BALLOT PAPER DELAY IN STRONG HOLD OF CCC. SO YOU WANT THEM TO JUST KABIRA SHIT LIKE THAT. WHEN WE DISREPECT YOU OLD PEOPLE YOU THEN SAY WE ARE COWARDS ITS TOXIC POLITICS YET YOU ARE THE ONES NOT BEING TRUETHFUL HERE. IF YOU ARE AFRAID DONT APOEAR ON SUCH PLATFORM AND WAWATA NONSENSE MHANI. A MAN OF GOD LIKE YOU MUST BE RIGHTEOUS IM SO DISAPPOINTED WITH YOU FATHER . TREVOR YOU WERE KIND OF AFRAID TO ASK HARD HITTING QUESTIONS WHY DIDNT YOU ASK HIM ABOUT SADC REPORT BALLOT DELAY VOTE BUYING FAZ AND THE SHINANIGANS MONKEY TRICKS ZANU DID DURING CAMPAIGNS . I KNOW YOU ARE AFRAID ALSO ITS A MILITARY GVT YOU KNOW ED IS a killer But st least don't blame chamisa and ccc when you know the truth shame on you
Trevor did not ask the right questions he was lenient with him we want to know why some people in urban areas did not vote and how come he says elections were free fair and credible
@@tevedzaimakumbei totally agree with you. I don't know why Trevor didn't really press him about zec, judicial and police capture.
Lots of loose ends that were left hanging...! I give this conversation a 2/10.
I think it's because he was trying to cover a lot in hour so he gad to cut the Fr, who seemingly had a lot to share
Trevor, you gave him too much respect and missed the ball.
Very disappointed at the level of shallowness demonstrated by someone heaped with so much praise at the beginning by Trevor. The suggestion of the Roman catholic way of locking the two lawyers in the same room until they find a solution is not only absurd with regards to it's practical implementation, but a flight from reality by the clergy man. If it were practically possible, he could have used it on Tsvangirai and Mugabe. And that he doesn't believe elections are stolen when there was glaring voter suppression in Harare, Bulawayo, and Manicaland, opposition strongholds, which, even a blind man could see, resulting in voting spilling into the second day for the first time in our history, is mind boggling, to say the least. Whilst he harps and trumpets about his training by UN in Mozambique and SouthAfrica, it scantily justifies his warped notion that current regime cannot steal elections. He only stops and counting of votes, but what about the manipulation of the spread sheet when punching in figures, a high, if not unbelievable number of assisted voters in the countryside as well as biased state media reporting. Why is he mute on such critical issues? Am left with none other than the conclusion that he supports the status quo, for one reason or the other, best known to himself. Even though he makes reference to thousands dying in the liberation struggle, 'more than 70 000 people', his failure to articulate a practical and reasonable solution to the current electoral dispute and conundrum, left me very disappointed, to say the least. The attempt to philosophise something that is as clear as a brazen, shambolic, electoral theft, that forms the genesis of the current crisis, which crisis is not new, a crisis which is well documented since the country's independence, is mind-boggling. While one can't run away from the clergy man's senility, hence lack of comprehension of current issues, his soft spot for the current regime in light of how he was declared winner through dubious and unverifiable results by ZEC, makes me suspect he is an accomplice in the heist, who knows where his bread is buttered and doesn't want to question the current status quo, for fear of losing a place at the political dinner high table. And l also blame Trevor for not asking hard hitting questions, preferring the spiritual side rather than the practical and physical. For instance, l would have expected him to question the practicality of locking the two in one room, as well as the chaotic nature of the last elections and how his training by UN was relevant visavis the sophisticated methods methods used by Zanu pf when rigging elections.
I’m very annoyed at this devil masquerading as a priest
Mukonori is way below average in comprehending anything let alone complex issues!
Trevor. Your editing of this video is symbolic of why we (the nation) are in the situation we are in. You edited out Father Mukonori's narration on the death on Tongogara. You glibbly discussed Ghukurahundi. At what point are we as people stop being participants in the cover up.
Probably one of the worst disapointing programe, no substance , he was not answering questions, l did expect a lot from this man , but bit of empty
He just provided the worst responses
I really looked forward to enjoying the conversation with the church man but he did not quite articulate the facts well and says the election cannot be stolen he should explain what it is when people cannot vote because there is no voting material and people are being forced to vote for a particular party in the Rural areas
what he meant by saying elections can't be stolen he mean if the everything is being done transparent in a free environment,
mind you the elections that he experienced this was being monitored by UN
Father is hiding something 😂😂
Father has exposed something about his own faith
@@samgiddsI agree with you . We all saw that . God has a way of exposing charlatans
Even for those who voted, if a party is to win it should just win. Maybe the people who couldn't vote were zanu's votes, who knows? If one comes to the wrong polling station or something, they can't be allowed to vote obviously. You're behaving like typical Zimbabweans! What has the priest's faith has to do with this discussion?
Father Mukonori pindurai mibvunzo yamabvunzwai not just running away be on point and tell the truth you are part of the authors for the note of Priest saying Lord may you hear the crying of the oppressed where are we now
Ndiye shuwa akanyora ma book ayo ere? I hope is not full of ZANU PF propaganda.
He is just evasive and lacks knowledge haana njere kana uyu, hanzi he mediated negotiations between Tsvangirai and prime minister Mugabe. He doesn't know Mugabe was president
I was also surprised . He is so shallow but keeps boasting about being trained by UN . He didn’t say anything of substance to the interview except misinformation . He doesn’t even know that the elections were rigged , where in this earth does he live? I think he is overrated maybe for past performances that we don’t know. For someone who has been exposed to public fora for so long he speaks so slow , taking time to ponder the next word such that it’s frustrating and painful to listen to him because you think faster than he talks . Maybe next time he must consider doing interviews in his mother language . I didn’t hear any wisdom here but someone who is perpetuating ZANU PF propaganda . I think he was given a farm.
Sounds to me like Father does not know how elections are stolen.
I think he belongs to the other party
I guess he chose to be ignorant of facts
He knows. Remember Roman catholic is devil worshipping
It turned out to be not so much of my expectations and enthusiasm
How
Because, most likely he's of a different faith or denomination to Fr's. Typical of Zimbabweans!
l thought he is articulate as mugabe was, unfortunately, pedestrian he is. He never answered any question.
i was disappointed he actaully said nothing,serve for being too philosophical
Saka Zimbabwe haina kwairikuenda nekurasika kwakadai kwevanhu panyaya dzekutenda. Roman Catholic has been there in Zim since Independence and it is a church of choice for mazidhara eZanu. How can you think this is a man of God under those circumstances.
Mukonorì doesn't çonvince me much on this session. He doesn't look confident to elaborate on issues
Haaa Father could have done better really, perhaps he took an oath to secrecy in such peace brokering initiatives. But expected more from him
Yes elections cannot be stolen Fr under the Right conditions and when the constitution is being respected.. In our case we have a captured judiciary a captured uniformed force , and a captured electoral body.
Trevor you should have asked him this.. Should the opposition have representatives also at zec, police, army etc?
Surprisingly he skirted on asking the relevant questions
Trevor you should allow us to suggest questions before you interview your guests. Just like what Dhara with the free talk sometimes on HSTV.
I think it’s important to publicly note that Fr. Mukonori is not speaking on behalf of the Catholic Church. He is speaking in his individual capacity.
I find it odd that Trevor never brought the issue of SEOM into the picture.
Because it's irrelevant. Did you ever listen to SADC observers missions before 2023? No somehow now opposition believes SADC observers are undisputable hahahaha
With all due respect, the priest is not that smart, you could see Trevor’s agony through this interview.
Maybe it's me who was not paying proper attention. I didn't hear elaborate and conclusive answers from the Father for questions asked. Maybe there was no enough time, maybe language.
I wanted to hear more about what he knows about these issues, maybe one at a time.
I also felt the same way. He avoided direct answers
@@mee4084 maybe I expected more to the person so close to the action, who mediates. Wanted details and specifics. For me, it was a missed opportunity to learn, as I haven't learnt anything new
I think he is trying to remain neutral but some things have to be said as they are unfortunately. He focused on what he wanted to say not really answering Trevor’s questions.
You are absolutely right. I think at this stage we need not only people that still talk of unity with killers.
Unity with killers as they continue killing? And will not expose them ever. Uumh.
These madala in now old he nolonger speak sense, we tired of war rhetotics, if it may be we want our war also so that we can learn on our own we cant suffer forever in the name of fear
I haven't yet gone through the interview, but halfway through, I find the Father's responses and articulations uninspiring. Perhaps he is a strategist and negotiator, but certainly not a clear speaker. Seems to be reticent, keenly avoiding to offend powers that be. Unless there are already talks behind the scenes whose process he does not want to unsettle.
- Confusion between when Mugabe was prime minister versus president.
- Front line states even when South Africa was independent of white minority rule?
- 2008 issues were what has ZANU PF to offer versus what had MDC to offer not that ZANU PF had killed so many to win the re-run?
- He trained Morgan as a trade unionist leader.
- Trained with UN.
- He doesn’t wear a priestly collar is that normal or he was excommunicated?
- He’s not happy opposition getting funding from external sources. Is he aware that local funders of opposition are targeted by ZANU PF?
- Toyi toyi on the streets is demos handitika? I’m happy to hear Trevor admitting that innocent people get killed, in zoom meeting of the 21st Trevor was suggesting demos.
- I’m shocked father justifies one side stealing elections as long as the other side is not watching. He doesn’t consider or is oblivious that in Zimbabwe people are scared (for their lives for very good reasons) to represent, observe or testify for opposition - CCC.
- What’s a state craft issue? What’s being a cog in the wheels of the state? Was he just a spectator in the plot “coup” that was playing out? If that’s what he meant there, i agree. Otherwise, father has challenges in expressing himself well - replaying video at x 1.5 times he’s very slow.
- I could be wrong but I am having doubts on the integrity of this man of God.
- He sounds fake and I doubt anything good comes out of this man. I really wish if I am wrong.
Father story in Mozambique with tongogara, chitepo stories, ndaningi sithole, Mugabe, Lancaster treaty etc. Father knows most of information. I think. I agree with most of his narrations but some issues he is subtle I missed him and I have suspicion on certain issues like having tongagara embalmed with the enemy, why driven by a Mozambique driver,. Just thinking. Anyway the truth will come out.
Thanks the story was informative but leaves some stories and issues hanging
He knows evil deeds done by Sithole’s men and will keep it a secret to his grave.
Father is one of those kinds of people that ZANU PF loves.
Very different from Mono interview Trevor was asking great questions but very shallow responses from baba ava
Good show. However most of these prominent guys don't want to share some the best information we would like to hear.
I hope I'm the only one who didn't understand a single response by father mukonori
Me too . I’m surprised at all those who are saying it was a wonderful interview. The interviewee scored 0/10. I don’t even know why he was invited. He said the lawyer is disputing the election , point of correction, the lawyer and the majority of the Zim population are disputing the election. It’s not about one person. He seems to have a low opinion of 1: the leader of the opposition , which is wrong for a priest to do
Travor please when are you going to bring the legendary Peter Ndlovu on the show?
Trevor u are or must be better than this!The interview lacked depth of what the truth is regarding our sitiation!
Ana mukonori vanongoti kwaenda zanu ndikoko zuro ndizuro aive nabobo nhasi dambudso ..haana kukwana mudhara uyo anonyepera Bible...timbobvunsa ane mwana here kana vana .isu tinemhuri tisu tiri kusuffer iye achipihwa mahara ne catholic ..asatiita chikuku vatavata taura chokwadi zanu iripachinsvimbo zvejende
Never heard this man’s thoughts until today. Obviously in ZanuPF pockets. Nothing of substance offered in his political analysis.
Trevor I like this show very much much I watch it almost every week because it is the only show in Zimbabwe that hosts these high profiles. this is our only chance to interact with them and have the questions in everyone’s minds put on the table. What I dislike is your leniency. You sometimes let these guests whitewash their history and not take accountability. I’m not talking about Father Mukonori in this instance. The interview with Olivia Muchena is a good example as well the one with Saviour Kasukuwere, you let Mucheba parade as if she was a bystander when she was part of the cabinet. You did not ask her on her part in political violence especially in her own constituency. Sometimes I feel like you dont press hard and you let interviewees control the narrative. You’re the host, put down your anchor
THIS IS THE FATHER WHO STOOD FOR MUNANGAGWA AND CHIWENGA.. BY PERSUADING MUGABE TO FOLLOW THE UNCOSTITUTIONAL...NOW HE IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN OR HEARD OF WITH CHAMISA ...NDOCHI PEACEMAKING IS A CONTINUOUS PROCESS NOT AN ACHIEVEMENT.
He used his sense of humour to articulate The Word. He was amazing when he visited our parish. The whole church would be in stitches laughing. I vividly remember, yet it was in the 80s/90s
But on this interview he was not truethful
@@letthemshine3015 the fact is, if you like CCC then you didn't enjoy listening to him especially when he talks about the cccc polling agents witnessing the counting of the vote and signing the v11.
But on the contrary if you support ZANU this video is a breath of fresh air.
A few weeks ago ZANUs who watched Ibbo Mandaza and Arthur Mutambara felt they lied and sensationalised a lot.
It just depends on who you support and you can't make everyone agree with your view
What word teaching false Catholicism these devils manifest..he should stick to politics and leave the gospel clear and far from him
@mampofu1052 It doesn't go that far to compare inbo or whoever you danm know he was nit truerhful he knows zanu can do him. He knows zec is zanu pf zbc army everything is zanu he knows deliberate ballot delay he knows faz was there to intimidate people but he can't say it vanomu ita inyowani but he must not then blame opposition kuti do they have to reject every election hell yes because we not fools to agree to sham elections. Was he alive or in coma in 2098 when people had their limps chopped and 300 plus killed what can he say about that? He chose soft target ccc to attach because he knows hapana zvaano itwa he us fake Man of cloth if you ask me devil in sheep skin
A lot of the key questions put across to him were left hanging. If l compare the previous Gono and Makoni interviews on the brutal political entanglements, Father Fidelis fell short on the detail in his responses. The Tongogara mystery was disappointingly scratched on the surface. He seemed to portray the picture that Mugabe or anyone in the Zanla camp was not involved in the shocking death of Tongogara. Very little or zero detail on the post-war feuds that were stirred up by Mugabe were revealed. The good part that he highlighted on, was to suggest the idea of having the two leaders in one room.
He just provided the worst responses
Even if Tongogara had died in an accident it would will be difficult for many to believe it was an accident.
I felt he was sanitising the death of Tongogara as an accident nothing more. He was challenged on Gukurahundi which happened soon after independence and he didn’t want to expose/elaborate Mugabe’s evil. I won’t be surprised if he is and has always been a politician in priestly robes.
His level of diplomacy while appreciated is also evidentiary of he and his generation have let down Zimbabwe. It is a greater sin to know what to do and not do it.
He tells us the errors in the process but does not tell the perpetrator that he is wrong.
His philosophical approach sounds full of wisdom but his actions show him to have been amicable to ZANU because of his see no evil, hear no evil approach.
quite nonsense from the so called Father Mukonori, he has been part of the system and has benefitted from zanu gvt dierctly. he prefers zanu in gvt despite all the ills. for a long time we are made to believe that these so called "man of god" are peace maker. he is just a wolf in a sheep skin.
Trevor this is an interesting interview with Father Fidelis.Thanks for bringing us to speed with this part of history.
Father Mukonori is an embarrassment and he knows it
I think my hopes were to high for this conversation. I am sorry to say the good Father didn't do justice at all... He said nothing to show for a man who was in the thick of things... Maybe the juice lines are in the book... I will try the book...
this man lied with a straight face, betrayed Mugabe , lied about Tongogara
no clue what Fr Mukonori is talking about for the first 5:45 minutes
He is certainly a confused idiot
To me Mukonori is a ZANUpf , he has been wth them during the so he will never see anything wrong about what they are doing to the voters , he does not qualify to be mediator between ZANUpf n CCC
And all this while he is wearing the cap of a priest . Lucifer is very poweful
A good conversation with potential for a framework for a dialogue between ED Zanu PF & Chamisa CCC. Serious dialogue, not just playing to the gallery of youtubers and western donors. Trevor's leanings to CCC were wisely rebutted by Father Mukonori.
I like the comment that both parties should be represented by Agents. The opposition cannot cannot field Agents due to victimization and fear....
A lot has been left hanging. we could have been told a lot that we desire to know
Father Mukonori has much to say but avoided almost all sensitive issues. He knows what will happen to him and is also afraid. I give this interview 1/10. Not much out of it. Trevor should also have asked sensitive questions to this Father.
Wasted my data on this interview. Mukonori is just an enabler and doesn't see any faults with Zanu and Zec. He goes on to criticise a victim. He got a platform to tell us that he is connected and he rubbed shoulders with politicians since chimurenga days. No key take out of substance from this interview. For Trevor its a hatchet job to bash CCC and Chamisa.
Intresting the LIVES he has calculated to have been lost shying away from more recent attrocities.....I think of MYSTIC REVELLERS
Trevor can you ask father why the 2008 GNU didn’t level elections ground consistently and electro laws. Why it’s still an issue in Year 2923. My name is George Ndoro
However I differ with the blame game of hiding behind sanctions. The worst sanction is refusing to use common sense.
This conversation was a bit of a damp squib. Father wasnt really forthcoming with infor.
Zipra controlled much of Mash West and still lost. So maybe wasnt necessarily about area of operation for the two liberation armies that influenced the votes
Trevor it's so so painful what you're are discussing with The man of God I'm an old man and MY Grand children have never seen peace since Indipendence My heart is broken broken
Are you saying there is no peace in Zimbabwe?What a bunch of nonsense.
@@kumbiektw is there peace??
Baba Mukonori: thank you for your way of seeing the situation in Zimbabwe. Ndinotenda nekumira pachokwadi panyaya dze nyike yedu se mutumwa waMwari pasina kutya kana kuda kufadza vatungamiri ne nhema zvatioona nekunzwa vamwe vemasvondo vachiita.
Dai Mwari vakuchèngetai mabatsira,neuchenjeri hwa Mwari huri mamuri kubatsira vatungamiri venyika ino kuti vave nekusazvifunga panyaya dzehutongi nenyaya dzemagariro akanaka eruzhinji rwezvizvarwa zvenyika ino.
True Zimbabwe has everything that is needed kuti upenyu hwe vana vayo vese vagare zvakanaka, asi kumwe kushaya hany'a chaiko kwadzorera nyika kumashure.
Ndinokutendai Baba: muitirwe zvakanaka na Mwari.
Father Mukonori is good. I respect the man and enjoyed reading his book. Ngavarambe vachiita zvehistory vachitaura zvemagamba akafa. his view on the current politics is off side.
Father mukonori @Trevor he such big man in our politics but if he doesn't admit that you can steal votes in an election then he doesn't represent the people of Zimbabwe. Zanu pf did put people in the street for their own benefit to Remove Mugabe
Trevor tried to put him in a corner so that he states the real current circumstance on ground in Zim. He was dodging and not forthcoming. This is the problem we have in Zimbabwe. People we look upon lack integrity and honesty.
1. Failed to answer what was wrong with the 2008 election.
2. Was not forthcoming with details of the dialogue between Mugabe and Tsvangirai.
3. He did not acknowledge gukurahundi massacrers.
4. I was looking forward to this interview but was highly disappointed with the responses that were more like Reuben Barwa reporting.
5. Dismissed Tongogara’s assassination as an accident.
His responses were more centered around him and how he thinks he made a difference. I was confused with inconsistency and lack of coherence🤦🏾♂️
I am slightly disagreeing with the Father especially on the process of Elections in Zimbabwe(especially recent onces), e.g what was the role of FAZ??, why are/were Agents threatened? Why is ZEC not transparent? He seems to avoid the actually realities of the Zimbabwe Election landscape.. vis a vis his United Nations example
Concerning key national questions asked,this old man said absolutely nothing🙄. its sad. RIGMAROLE CONVERSATION
Kana mazongara wonayi movie inonzi The Black Book, ndipopaunoona kuti Father Mukonori maMercenary. Ndiwo ma assassinate.
You have had riveting conversations here before which i have really enjoyed, sadly this ain't one of them. Your questioning Trevor was at par as always but the Father appeared disorientated. I mean what is he talking about Mugabe being a prime minister negotiating with president Tsvangirai, and in 2000, and boom these are talks that led to a GNU, well we know the GNU came after the 2008 elections. and who are the other people in the negotiating team, we never got to hear them. And him and his team making history in Moz, being trained by the UN, what was that about? And for a second please the Honourable Father must learn to say the truth, be bold, he prevaricated and avoided giving clear responses to matters asked.
I've lost respect of the "Apostle" T Chiwenga. What he is accusing of Chamisa of is same as him. Why is Talent not arrested for accusing Zanu-PF? Isn't he also a wing of Zanu-PF?
Why is he scare of confronting Chamisa and talk to him face to face.
Apostle?
Apostle is a title given to a person that has seen Christ in, person and or made a direct encounter with Christ like Saul who became Paul. Witnesses must be there to account for such an encounter. Selah.
He is neglecting feeding his sheep spiritual and entangling them with politics. He is hiding behind the pulpit politicking. He is not far from a wolf in sheepskin. I loved his candidness in scriptures but he is now throwing me of the trust bus.