Understanding Freeze & Collapse Trauma Responses| Cptsd Recovery
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This is information is amazing. In 2016 I was diagnosed with FND/ME but you have just explained exactly how I feel and what is going on with my nervous system. The metaphor about the brakes and accelerator being on at the same time within the freeze response is spot on. I’ve never been able to pin point or explain it until now. I have lost so much in life due to this condition but this gives me hope again. Thank you so much ❤🙏
I'm soooo glad this was helpfulf!!!When we don't understand what our body is doing it only adds even more anxiety - but once we begin understanding it - now we can work with it!!! Have you ever tried somatic experiencing - it is ammaaaazing with working together with your nervous system!!!
I used to confuse the freeze state with the fear state. I always registered everything as fear.
My emotion vocabulary was low.
Thank you for the clear explanation.
So glad the information has been helpful. Just to add - fear is often one of the emotions that can cause our survival brain to throw us into freeze...
really love how you gave examples! so helpful for understanding the differences as I go into both
So glad that was helpful!!
very valuable and helpful information, as always! thanks
I started from van der Kolk, later i read a little bit of Mate and Fischer, whereas last 3 weeks I was spending on understanding polyvagal theory and 'shut down response'. Your explanation is one of the best i watch in YT. Thanks for that! It was very helpful 🙏
Sooo glad this was helpful for you!!!!! I've read Van Der Kolks book - the Body Keeps the Score - great book!!! And I love Gabor Mate!!
I think i just noticed that my ”collapse” body language is missinterpreted as arrogance by others.. anyone felt this way?
Probably loved ones reading "give up" body posture as "I don't care [about others]". Sorry for that. Shame makes it worse.
My experience is that it can be super triggering for people who wish to affect you, yeah. In my case around toxic narcissistic abusers that's been a successful part of my trauma defense mechanism. Along with being numb. I'm learning new ways of responding now but to put it mildly I really needed my body's shutdown response.
I went into ptsd/ freeze mode at age 7
Same. At least, the earliest time I vividly remember it.
It's understandable - as kids we're too small/young to fight - and we can't flee and run away from home, so the nervous system does the next best thing considering our circumstances, and it puts us in freeze. Sadly, we can stay STUCK there forever, or at least until we begin to learn how to work with our nervous system!!!!!
Thank you for these honest and liberating thoughts.
So glad it was helpful =D
Great video ty❤
Now fawning? Or shut down? Or collapsing? I'm confused...
How to build somatic capacity
Great examples making these concepts clearer .thank you
This was extremely helpful. Thank you 🙏
Is that same thank Deperzonalization disorder
How much time it takes? I feel like 10 years not enough. My last 10 years are stuck in this 😢
I hear you!! Without knowing how to work with the nervous system..... it can stay stuck for years and decades. But once you begin working with your nervous system - that's when things start shifting. I wish I understood this decades ago. I thought time would cause everything to just fall into place..... nope!! BUT again, as you learn to work together with your body - you CAN have begin living instead of just surviving!!! Hang in there!!
Basically videogames result in freese responses
I agree!!!!
Are you trauma trained, or just trauma-informed???
Your trauma response CHANGES based on the traumatic situation (stress versus almost dying but escaping somehow). It is NOT something you can control. If you almost die, at the hands of a predator, your brain is going to respond differently...because you almost died...which is quite different than it would be in a highly stressful situation from being screamed at by a raging narcissistic parent.
If you almost die at the hands of a predator, your brain is going to go into dorsal-vagal shutdown.
If you are a child and almost die at the hands of a parent, your brain is going to go into dorsal-vagal shutdown.
If you are emotionally neglected, sure...you're more likely to NOT go into full-blown dorsal-vagal shutdown because your life in not in danger of ending. You are just not getting your emotional needs met.
It's not just fight or flight. It's fight, flight, freeze, fawn and the most serious shutdown is dorsal-vagal shutdown.
It's not just "shutdown" it's dorsal-vagal shutdown and it's not nearly as simple as you are portraying it to be.
In all honesty, this is really a topic for a trauma-trained therapist (not trauma-informed), and who is also proficient in Polyvagal Theory.
Dorsal-vagal shutdown is serious. It's a lengthy recovery, and it needs to be handled by someone *trained* and proficient in polyvagal theory.
Total fear..I got it .after I had chance to understsnd.at first I thought it was sharp knife for stab I ng..but it turns out.haif brush.for si l I ng hair..but it still same.how can I change it.
I wish to let go of ptsd.freeze mode..my clock went on alarm
I'd like to clear this all up. I'd like to release it all up..how???
You cannot just release trauma in one fall swoop. That is your ego talking. First step is to regulate your nervous system, and increasing your capacity to handle stressors
I just realized that it seems like all this time I've been adrift on the open sea, but I don't know why I got stuck here, and what I should do next to get out from this situation. Its can be called to freeze response too?
Often when we feel stuck..... there is always the possiblity that we may have some freeze going on in the nervous system.
Below I refer to myself in the third person.
It is a transcription of a real-life encounter/experience.
A waking-dream. One I had with Jesus...
Jesus will lead the way; she doesn’t need to do anything.
Jesus, what would you like to do next?
Going to sit with her on the sand...
She sees the word 'pure'
written in the sand.
It is confusing for her.
What does it feel like to go out on the water with Jesus?
It feels like a crazy ride!
Feels happy, magical, miraculous, confusing etc.
She feels secure with him,
but fears that Jesus won’t be here forever
and she’ll be alone.
Jesus what would you like to say in response?
He knows how alone she feels, but she’s never alone,
Jesus is always with her; will never leave her;
they are a part of each other.
We are one and she is never, ever alone.
There has been someone who has been a source of pain.
I’m going to take him to see her; to unite them.
She sees Bryan who was her best friend and they are embracing.
Bryan is all in black and his hair is down and they are embracing.
There is an innocence to him and he didn’t mean any harm,
even though he harmed her so much; he didn’t mean it.
There is a connection that goes beyond their bodies;
their souls are connected.
Bryan is just trying to calm her and to let her know it is okay.
Jesus loves him just as much as he loves her.
Bryan is as much his son and she is his daughter.
Now they are transported into a courtroom; Jesus is the judge;
they are on opposite sides; Bryan and she are on trial.
Bryan is pleading his case. She is just sobbing.
She is being shown the victim she has been;
she keeps carrying that, while Bryan pleads his case.
She can’t bear the pain so she just sobs.
She is perpetually in victim mode.
Jesus is smiling; watching the way you might watch a TV show.
He is detached. There is no right or wrong.
Beaming smile; tells Bryan to come over to her;
She can see light around him like he is an angel in disguise.
He is sorry for her pain. This is all part of a greater plan.
Bryan embraces her and she looks into his eyes.
Clarity beams. But her mind can’t catch up and she is confused.
Now they sit down on her side of the courtroom next to each other;
now they are on the same side of the trial; holding hands.
Jesus is just loving this -
getting a kick out of it;
he is excited and happy;
but she hasn’t fully caught up.
It is perfectly okay; he sees her pain -
what her soul knows
but her mind can’t catch up...
And in between the two: there is panic.
She hears him saying, "I am in the waves."
What movie are you and Jesus going to go see?
She sees Bryan running toward the theatre to catch up...
She sees what Jesus wants to show her;
scenes that come up;
memories that pop up - some terrify her;
they cause her panic.
Bryan is excited to watch
as if it is an interesting movie.
She’s in the middle of the two of them and she is paralyzed with fear.
She sees Jesus getting her all propped up;
massaged; favorite drink, favorite food;
calm relaxed comfortable;
Bryan is okay;
She is not watching this alone.
It's perfectly okay.
She is seeing memories that terrify her;
She is constantly scared of her past;
it haunts her and it paralyzes her;
She sees Bryan loving it.
Jesus wants her to see all these things in a different way.
They are moving to the back of the theatre
where it will be less overwhelming.
Bryan is staying at the front.
He wants her to see the scenes of her life that terrify her
and that Jesus and the angels were always with her.
It's too much.
She feels overwhelmed.
It's confusing.
She wants to see but she’s feeling overwhelmed.
She sees that Bryan comes to the back of the theatre
and sits on the other side of her;
Jesus holds her hand and looks at Bryan with a look of knowing.
She sees herself getting smaller, child-size.
She is getting bigger now and she is sitting cross-legged.
He loves her prayer - about lifting the veil of fear -
she will see things differently.
She sees Bryan enjoying the movie because he is detached.
Jesus wants her to learn detachment.
She gets so sucked into the memories and she gets panicked.
Good or bad memory doesn’t matter.
She is seeing clear that she can just watch memories like a movie.
None of it is real; that’s the title of the movie;
dragons across the screen.
And Jesus is just getting a kick out of it;
He is watching her catch up to it.
She hugs Jesus and she cries in his arms.
She’s telling him that she is so scared;
she doesn’t want to be here anymore.
Jesus responds;
"it is not your time baby girl;
so much more to see
and more to do."
He is going to helps her emerge from this cocoon phase
into a butterfly.
She wants Jesus to explain why he let Bryan hurt her;
to explain all the traumas in her life; she is sobbing.
She feels so much love and compassion
but doesn’t get sucked into the story.
He sees her as perfect.
Now there are so many angels in the movie theatre;
full bright, white amazing wings.
The whole theatre is lined with these angels.
God says that they are all here for you.
Bryan is still eating his popcorn and enthralled with the movie.
Jesus is so happy watching her watch the angels.
Jesus is tuning her voice - he wants her to use her voice
and to stop repressing and suppressing it.
The angels are going to help her to release her voice.
The attachment to the memories
is because her voice hasn’t been released.
Angelic music is coming out of her voice as it gets finely tuned;
now Bryan is noticing her, not just the movie.
She is being lifted higher and higher as she sings:
angelic sounds coming from her voice;
God is showing her it is time to use her voice.
She feels panic because she is the one
who must do what has never been done before;
a blessing and opportunity;
a burden; it is so big.
Now he is showing her with her sister;
needs to have a conversation with her sister;
so much of it starts there - how much love there is between them.
Jesus will be there for both of them 100%.
So much will be released once this conversation has happened.
She keeps praying - that whoever God has ordained as her husband
that they be united. Once she has a conversation,
that her voice isn’t suppressed;
the gifts will be released
including this ordained husband.
It is confusing. God still has work for her to do.
She is so tired and cannot do anymore,
but God is showing her the pathway forward...
She sees this man waiting for her in the wings.
The bridge between there and here are the things she needs to do -
this conversation; angels are there; divinely orchestrated.
She needs to surrender to God more and more;
hanging on is keeping her panicked.
What is Jesus doing now?
He is leaving - he is ascending into the sky;
He is physically leaving but the sense of him is deep in her heart;
a small version of himself is in her heart.
She wants Bryan to stay but he has to go too.
He kisses her on the cheek and he ascends.
Bryan has his own path.
Time to release her voice;
to release Bryan;
to have a conversation with her sister.
Jesus is lifting something out of her;
he is pulling it out of her -
she is carrying stuff that isn’t even hers
and is centuries old
and he is lifting it all out of her.
What is Jesus doing now?
She was feeling panic and an immediate desire to reach for Bryan.
God is carrying a corkscrew; He is showing her a tool.
Flooded with panic and memories and a desire to reach for Bryan...
Jesus has the tools and he can fix anything, all the time.
Turn back to him when she wants to reach for Bryan -
nothing that he can’t fix; gentle with your heart;
hold on; hold that space.
He has every tool needed to fix anything and everything.
She is giving Jesus a big hug.
She is getting a greater sense of hope for the future.
Now glimmers of hope through the despair.
At an airport and Jesus is walking with a huge set of scissors
severing the strings between Bryan and her.
Jesus is severing all those ties.
She is going to experience new freedom
without being attached by these cords.
Jesus is showing her how much more freedom.
To get to what she prays for:
to get to uniting with the man that God has ordained for her:
- Sever ties to Bryan
- Conversation with sister
- Use of voice
He has something so much greater for her.
Her connection to Bryan was just there for a time.
He has something so much better for her, a healthy connection.
She won’t be alone forever.
She is in the cocooning now
and he will help her through the work that she needs to do.
He is showing her that Bryan was a symbol of what she could have -
way more profoundly aligned with her.
He was there so she could see that there is more for her
beyond these unhealthy ways.
God is going now
but he is also staying within her.
A blessing from Jesus? Chunks of gold.
She is going through the fire and on the other side of the fire is gold;
gold goes through the fire.
Thank you for the blessing…
It is clear what the blessing is.
There are little flecks of gold in each memory - look for them.
He will help her find it. She sees that in each memory;
if she looks closely at each memory - they contain love.
A phoenix rising from the ashes - and she is that -
she needs to hold to that. On the other side is the gold...
how can one get out of this? i am taking therapy and it's not helping much for me.
talk therapy is helpful for many things- but coming out of trauma responses... we cannot talk our way out of them - we need to involve bottom up approaches. One of the most powerful ones that helped me - and that I now use with my clients is Somatic Experiencing Sessions!!! You might want to look into that and see if it's a good fit for you.
@@cptsdrecovery thanks for reply. i will look to go for somatic experiencing therapy.
can you tell what will be helpful in body image issue ? for me the threat i feel is because of my body image. that's also the reason i am in shutdown state .
Ugh. Freeze is my constant and now i feel stuck in life. Do you offer 1 on 1 sessions? I need help. I am umable to work amd waking ip frozen and anxious.
I hear you! Freeze is challenging to come out of!! I do offer a 9 session package for one on one clients - this includes coaching and somatic experiencing sessions (you can't talk your way out of freeze) I also offer group coaching and help through Thrivers School of Transformation - we meet live on zoom every week and we do the inner work together. I'll leave both links here for you to see if either is a good fit =D. Hang in there - it's not easy... I won't lie - but it IS possible to come out of freeze and start living instead of surviving.
Thrivers link: www.micheleleenieves.com/offers/VyRwuCuF
One on One coaching link: www.micheleleenieves.com/offers/EMaFyqrs
@@cptsdrecovery do you offer a free cobsultation before we purchase?