Another great video. I remember there were sadly long-problems with Bradley Manor after this run, I seem to recall a severe crack was discovered in the firebox or something similar. The boiler ended up being swapped with 7822 Erlestoke Manor which reversed the earlier boiler in the early 1990s when 7802 was originally restored at Bridgnorth (incidentally the original SVR plan was for 7802 to donate boiler and parts to keep the railway’s two existing Manors (7819 Hinton Manor being the other example) running, before the decision was taken to restore Bradley in its own right.
Excellent video; thanks. It seems that 7802 has a Hall-type tender instead of the smaller type fitted to the Manors. Very good performance by 7802 particularly in the first run. It topped Talerddig at a speed as good as in BR-steam days, which is saying something.
Pleased you liked it. Didn't realise it, at the time, that steam over the Cambrian was nearing its end. But hoping the current obstacles will get overcome in the next few years.
Wonderful films - thank you! What sure-footed locos the 4-6-0s are. I know the weight limit wouldn't allow it, but I can imagine a Britannia slipping and slithering to a standstill on Talerddig. On the S Wales run, they needed a banker to get out of Neath. I never ever saw a Castle or County slip on that climb.
Pleased you liked it. More videos of steam over Talerddig to upload soon, although sadly of lesser locos than the Manors! Besides the obvious drama of a climb to the top - one of my main memories is of double-headed grimy standard 4's racing down the gradient, round the curves before Commins Coch, with 11 carriages, in 1966!
That's 4-6-2's for you; there's not a sure-footed one in the country, mainly, it seems due to weight transfer and also that many of them have a high tractive effort and a consequent low adhesion factor. We should have had more 2-8-2's, possibly. But a 4-6-0 just digs its heels in and goes.
@@Rosie6857 Indeed. One (the?) reason why the 9Fs were so successful. The coupled wheels are small enough that you can put a wide firebox on top of them. Moving in the opposite direction, operating experience showed that the Atlantic variant of Churchward's 29xx was slippery. No surprises there!
@@cricciethcastle5077 Did you know that the original design for the 9F's was for a 2-8-2 with 5' 3" wheels but it was felt that that the additional adhesion with 5 axles was worth it and it was just possible to get the wide firebox in over 5' 0" wheels though it's a bit of a squash even with the boiler up in the stratosphere. Doesn't seem to have done them any harm though. They steamed well and could go like the wind with a bit of encouragement.
@@Rosie6857 I didn't know that - very interesting, thank you!! I wonder if there are/were German freight 2-10-0s with wide f/boxes, and maybe K-H trucks for the leading coupled axle? They probably have a higher loading gauge.
The amount of unburned slack being blasted up the chimney shows the poor quality of the coal compared with the Welsh black stuff in earlier times. I remember when everything was steam hauled. Watching a Manor attacking Talerddig on the eastbound CCE was always a thrill. In the late '50s/early '60s two thirds of the entire class were to be found in Wales.
I'm very envious of your Cambrian memories! I recall the last year of the Manors and journeys over Talerddig behind Standard Class 4's in 1966. Robinson D11s at Cleethorpes in the late 50s are ingrained on my memory but Talerddig and the Cambrian would have been extremely special.
Re 1.39 in the video - agreed that the junction has similarities with the layout at Kidderminster...but it is very definitely Sutton Bridge junction, Shrewsbury - where the Cambrian leaves the main line. The two locations are about 30 miles apart(as the crow flies).
Bless the old girl! She doe's put on a good show!
Does anything beat the sound of a Manor climbing Talerddig?
Feather at the safety valve on the 1 in 52. Fireman did a good job...
Another great video. I remember there were sadly long-problems with Bradley Manor after this run, I seem to recall a severe crack was discovered in the firebox or something similar. The boiler ended up being swapped with 7822 Erlestoke Manor which reversed the earlier boiler in the early 1990s when 7802 was originally restored at Bridgnorth (incidentally the original SVR plan was for 7802 to donate boiler and parts to keep the railway’s two existing Manors (7819 Hinton Manor being the other example) running, before the decision was taken to restore Bradley in its own right.
Actually 7812 is erlestoke manor 7822 is foxcote manor
Good afternoon, Dave Benjamin. this is a fairly alluring video. thank. :)
Pleased you liked it, more in the future. Let's hope steam will return to the Cambrian in the next few years...
Brilliant video! 7802 sounds fantastic!
Thank you! It seems so long ago now - if only the Cambrian could see a Manor again in the next few years!
2008 awesome, I was on the bridge near you at Talerddig. Shame you ended the clip before it ended, when 7802 shuts off at the summit.
Sounds awesome
Excellent video; thanks. It seems that 7802 has a Hall-type tender instead of the smaller type fitted to the Manors. Very good performance by 7802 particularly in the first run. It topped Talerddig at a speed as good as in BR-steam days, which is saying something.
Pleased you liked it. Didn't realise it, at the time, that steam over the Cambrian was nearing its end. But hoping the current obstacles will get overcome in the next few years.
It’s certainly a tender type associated with Halls, but I believe this particular example was from a Castle.
Wonderful films - thank you! What sure-footed locos the 4-6-0s are. I know the weight limit wouldn't allow it, but I can imagine a Britannia slipping and slithering to a standstill on Talerddig. On the S Wales run, they needed a banker to get out of Neath. I never ever saw a Castle or County slip on that climb.
Pleased you liked it. More videos of steam over Talerddig to upload soon, although sadly of lesser locos than the Manors! Besides the obvious drama of a climb to the top - one of my main memories is of double-headed grimy standard 4's racing down the gradient, round the curves before Commins Coch, with 11 carriages, in 1966!
That's 4-6-2's for you; there's not a sure-footed one in the country, mainly, it seems due to weight transfer and also that many of them have a high tractive effort and a consequent low adhesion factor. We should have had more 2-8-2's, possibly. But a 4-6-0 just digs its heels in and goes.
@@Rosie6857 Indeed. One (the?) reason why the 9Fs were so successful. The coupled wheels are small enough that you can put a wide firebox on top of them. Moving in the opposite direction, operating experience showed that the Atlantic variant of Churchward's 29xx was slippery. No surprises there!
@@cricciethcastle5077 Did you know that the original design for the 9F's was for a 2-8-2 with 5' 3" wheels but it was felt that that the additional adhesion with 5 axles was worth it and it was just possible to get the wide firebox in over 5' 0" wheels though it's a bit of a squash even with the boiler up in the stratosphere. Doesn't seem to have done them any harm though. They steamed well and could go like the wind with a bit of encouragement.
@@Rosie6857 I didn't know that - very interesting, thank you!! I wonder if there are/were German freight 2-10-0s with wide f/boxes, and maybe K-H trucks for the leading coupled axle? They probably have a higher loading gauge.
The amount of unburned slack being blasted up the chimney shows the poor quality of the coal compared with the Welsh black stuff in earlier times.
I remember when everything was steam hauled. Watching a Manor attacking Talerddig on the eastbound CCE was always a thrill. In the late '50s/early '60s two thirds of the entire class were to be found in Wales.
I'm very envious of your Cambrian memories! I recall the last year of the Manors and journeys over Talerddig behind Standard Class 4's in 1966. Robinson D11s at Cleethorpes in the late 50s are ingrained on my memory but Talerddig and the Cambrian would have been extremely special.
1:39 looks like Bradley manor has passed the junction where the loco is currently based which is the seven valley railway
Re 1.39 in the video - agreed that the junction has similarities with the layout at Kidderminster...but it is very definitely Sutton Bridge junction, Shrewsbury - where the Cambrian leaves the main line. The two locations are about 30 miles apart(as the crow flies).
@@davebenjamin5380 Sutton Bridge is where
the SVR left the main line on its way south to Bridgnorth. The junction was close to the footbridge.