GOLF: Throw Release VS. Twist Release
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I’ve been twist style for decades. I’m happy to see this presentation.
I’ve tried the throw style but it feels unnatural.
It’s refreshing to see guys willing to work on what the player has rather than a one swing fits all flavor of the month 😎
Thanks!
You got it :) Hope it helps!
This was actually one of my favorite videos as it gives all golfers, that want to know actually what is happening, the information to fix their own swing, given how they want to swing - it also gave me an understanding of how Colin Morikawa hits his what feels like a closed clubface 3-yard fade - i.e. swinging left throw release from what appears to be a shut position at the top - I actually love practicing that shot for long irons into greens for a high soft fade.
Thanks so much Paul! Appreciate you watching!
Fantastic instruction. I'm a natural upright twist release player that can draw the ball. I've been trying to change to a flatter throw style swing and have been hooking off the planet. Thanks to you guys, I now know why.
:) Thank you!
An interesting analysis of the golf swing arc by Kevin Roman! I purchased one of those club head magnets recently and now I know how to utilize it! Prior to viewing this video, I had gone to a semi-closed club face on takeaway and at impact ala "throw style" and it is definitely working. Now I know that I was trying to take the club more straight out (twist style)rather than around my body with the clubface pointing to the sky with a broken left wrist on the follow through. Great video Eric! I learned a lot from it.
Love it John! Thank you for watching!!
Hey Eric good to see you, you know I loved this video when you first played it ,, but man does it make total sense as I watched it again , Great Great video! I finally know I want a throw release, Thanks Man!
:) You got it my friend!
Great video. Like it a lot. The throw release is what Mike Malaska is always talking about. Nice to see a slightly different perspective of it.
Thank you!!
This was such a great production. I have all the plane truth books and videos. This was a great supplement.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed this one!
Went to range today and automatically started the feel of throwing the club. No thinking about my downswing but just focusing on set up. I honestly hit every club from wedge to hybrid like I've never got them before. Effortless swinging, less rigid, i kept saying to myself "just hit the ball" and i honestly did and they were going relatively straight. Throwing motion definitely works for me
Love it!
I’ve been waiting for this. Yes!!
:)
After watching this video I'm a twister just feels more natural to swing that way for me. Best video this week.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!!
This is a great video
Feeling more athletic with right hand rolling over which is opposite of many videos you do
thanks!
What a great video, thanks guys!
Thank you! Our pleasure👊
Very interesting addition to one’s comfort level on swing choice. It’s always a good idea to know what’s really going on. lol
Thanks
:) Our pleasure Nelson!
This is exactly what I have been looking for. I am a new golfer and I must tend to do a natural crossover release as that's what the instructor im working with has been pushing me toward. but I find a huge amount of inconsistency at the moment. I am going to give the throw release a try and see if I like it more or if its just not for me. at least I know now that ill have to play more of a fade/draw style if i have to play the crossover/twist release
Thanks so much for this!
Our pleasure---hope it helps ya!
Thanks both, very good video
Thanks a lot!👊
To supernate or not to supernate that is the question. Goes to show you how many different ways there are to hit a golf ball. Golf is not an easy game to master for sure. Thanks Eric!
You got it John!! Appreciate your support!
This is good info to contemplate. In my opinion, we need to keep in mind, the effect that body movement, especially lower body (legs and hips) has on release and shaft rotation. I'm finding that the more my lower body moves, rotates and creates torque, the less my hands and arms have to do. My shot shape is generally straight or a slight draw. My release happens almost by itself. The weight of the club, and the momentum created by lower body doing most of the work, releases the club for me. Soft arms and wrists are part of the equation.
for sure Dave---everything effects everything
@@CogornoGolf In my experience as a TH-cam golf follower, each new post that focuses on one or two movements or positions tends to get us off track from basic fundamentals we should stay with. Nothing wrong with learning new things. Just that most of us forget what good things we learned before. I believe strongly that lower body movements should always be stressed at beginning and during instruction.
I feel like I do both. Lol Good ball striker too. But what ever I’m feeling for the shot I’m trying to hit. Hands just do their thing.
Great content thank you
Thanks David!! Our pleasure!
I've gotta say, the moment at about 2:00 is super important and I wish someone had demonstrated that simple visual explanation to me when I first started golfing. I spent my first few seasons doing what he shows at 1:40, the single plane pendulum. "Golf is a side-on game". I love it.
Great to hear it helped my friend! Thanks for watching!👊
I would like to see another video on this topic with you explaining to o the lay person. I have been taught the body release (?) with stack and tilt method and produce a slight draw.
Hey! For sure....if you search my name and "release" on youtube you should see some different options
This would be an easy one to start with: th-cam.com/video/Nwz6Yrr9SrI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUaZXJpYyBjb2dvcm5vIHRocm93IHJlbGVhc2U%3D
Great video. At the end you refer to “other videos with the backswing pieces”. How can we access those, presumably also with Kevin? Thanks!
Thanks, John!
th-cam.com/video/MwFGvE5-fHk/w-d-xo.html
Great video Eric.
Thanks Frankie!
Good job. Thanks!
Thanks, Omar!
Great video. So, we should start "throwing" with our right hand/wrist (go from extension towards flexion) somewhere between P4 and P5 Eric (starting at 10:58 in the video)? Reminds me a bit about what Mike Malaska talks about in terms of "tumbling" the club head over, or Brian Manzella (the club head at some stage in the downswing needs to get from just above and behind the hands to just below and in front) or Josh Zander (feel the right hand start to slap out and down towards the ball early in the downswing - can't quite remember the words in the video).
Hey Mark!
Of course there will be FEELS......and measured REALS.
The best ball strikers have their trail wrist still in extension at impact.
So while its MOVING......toward......flexion.....it doesnt reach flexion until well past impact.
@@CogornoGolf I guess for those of us that tend to" flip" at the ball at the last minute, maybe feeling this somewhat earlier might be the way to go.
I wish I had the flexibility to play the throw release more. That feeling of the face pointing more to the sky after impact makes for a very stable clubface. However, this does require more right side bend, and rotation. I have a tendency(on bad days) to stall my body out, keep my shoulders too level through the hitting zone, and release the club face too closed. I understand both of these concepts completely, and I agree with both of you to do what feels easier to repeat. I have lower back problems, so on days when it’s tight, I play more of a twist release. However, on days when I feel loose, and flexible, I’ll play with more right side bend, and rotation, more like the throw release. I will say… I usually score better playing the latter(side bend, rotation), when my body is able. Love your content, Eric.
Appreciate it, Jamie! Nothing wrong with that if you can manage it!
Hi Eric. Need help urgently please. For driver, with a strong grip, how do you hinge and release your wrists? Is it the same as your vids on wrist conditions for irons?
Thanks,
Loyal fan.
Hey....check these out:
These on how to match grip to wrist/release:
th-cam.com/video/S776LyvM6Pc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/8Cg2O8atmYY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/3QQUyRnRSJU/w-d-xo.html
I'm a person who has a throwing kind of swing. How do you fix the problem of throwing too early to where the club head is past your hands already at contact? Do you have a continuation video on that subject?
Check this one out!
th-cam.com/video/I0hvWvN7qWE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Eric. Your content is A1. I was a member with your online team for some time, and left a better golfer. A visual I see is that after impact and release from down the line you can see the upside down club face looking back at the camera. - I have a question sir, is the throw release the same as described here with driver and should it achieve that same visual if done correctly?
Thank you! Yep---the info here would apply to all clubs with normal full swings
Hi Erick nice to see you again. I have quetions here need you to reply. Is this similiar with the Malaska tipping out the club? Im not going anywhere waiting for you're answer. Good video as always, thank Erick.
Hey! yes
Eric - upon advice from my golf instructor I’m starting to incorporate the throw release. I find that it makes it easier to release the club around your body on the follow through. However the tough part is to still keep your arm/ wrist straight past impact and then extend left wrist after. Any suggestion? Very good explanation of both concept.
Thanks Richard!
I think these two videos will help my friend!
th-cam.com/video/wN3zdLoEihU/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/EnTdPREfqw0/w-d-xo.html
@@CogornoGolf - Thank you. One of your most impactful video.
What do you do if you are a "thrower" with an upright swing? Would this affect your lie angle...you need to go more up?
Hey Mike!
I would need to see your swing to see exactly what you are doing to give you a "simple" answer here. There are just too many variables involved to give a good answer without seeing.
Just amazing…🎉
Thank you!
Eric, with the throw style are you relying more on supination of the lead wrist?
Hey Scott....more supination with twist
What is your opinion on sling release? Much more left side and arm dominate release, u sling the left arm out from last parallel. Do u have a vid on if we should be more left arm or right dominant during the downswing?
Hey!
Unfortunately thats a bit too simplistic to give a black/white yes/no.
The left arm does need to abduct (bicep away from chest) (thats what is termed "sling" ) during second part of downswing
I explain that here:
th-cam.com/video/PAqXj4SgtxA/w-d-xo.html
I had to adopt the throw release for consistency. The twist release would inevitably produce the few costly overcooked fades or draws during a round.
all good!
Brilliant
Thanks!
Well worth the repeat post.
👊👊
I would like to try the throw style i can do it in slow motion and hands only around belt high but when i take it to the top my club face is no longer square to the plane uggh and i cant get it square to the plane again unless i roll my fore arms somewhat along with using the ground to rotate my torso especially my left leg throughout the impact area i was hoping to use this no roll concept to make the game easier but its gotten worse Is the no roll for one plane players only like Hogan or Coucher tks
Recently, Eric Cogorno re-posted a series of videos he shot with Mike Malaska. In one of those videos, Mike makes the point that his shoulder rotates in its socket as he approaches the top of the swing. Search Eric Cogorno AND Mike Malaska. I think those 3 videos are gold.
Hey George----to keep in mind
Whether its more throw or twist there will ALWAYS......be.....SOME.......forearm rotation.
There is no swing style without it. Twist just has more.
twist for life
Thanks for watching!
Boy do I wish you guys were in Spokane.
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at about 11:30, he talks about delofting the club and shaft lean becoming a factor....that feels like a twist to me (If I am at the "waiter" position at the top)...You and Mike Malaska have both mentioned the right palm beginning to face the down-the-line camera....is that not a twist?
Theres for some SOME twist.
You'll see the two styles in this video how one will have more "twist" and other other more "throw". A lot of malaska videos would be more the "throw" style with less twist.
to have less "twist" you must have the club face more square/closed EARLIER in the swing
I swing on a steep plane with a throw release, but I try to bow my lead wrist at impact to keep the ball from hooking. Thoughts about that Eric??
I would really need to see your swing on video to say YES or NO here...
1. Do you really need it?
2. What are your current wrist angles?
3. Is that a FEEL or are you REALLY doing it?
etc etc
Send swings to www.cogornogolf.com so I can see
@@CogornoGolf it’s probably just a feel :)
Both the steep plane and the bowed leadwrist at impact. I had some hook problems during the last season, so the feel of a steep plane counteracts the hook and the bowed wrist is even that a anti feel against the hook. Those feels may just neutralize everything that went south 🤔
I’m building everything I do around impact, and to ground the iron at the right place, and sometimes the feels circulate to ensure my impact feels great.
okay so sounds like throw style is what us weekenders should learn if it involves less shot shape. i tend to overcook with the twist, but tend to pull it with the throw release. and then the rest of the time im still flipping at it
👊Hope this one helps! Thank you for watching!
It's also perfect or Senios guys.. Thanks.
👊Our pleasure, Ira!
The throw release and lining up the club is actually the same principle like tipping out the club of Mike Malaska , isn t it?
Similar
Which release style is better for distance.
Hey John! Neither better for distance IMO Ive seen both hit it a mile and/or no where.
@@CogornoGolf thanks for the reply. Really enjoy and appreciate your videos.
Appreciate the support John!
Couldn’t this me described as flipping though? I’m a serial flipper… my stock shot is a 2 yard draw but my instructor is trying to get me to stop flipping… my flip happens after impact though 🤷🏻♂️
The TIMING matters....WHEN you throw....watch this one
th-cam.com/video/O6UcwtmOFpg/w-d-xo.html
Where can you get those curved sticks?
Hi Ned! Search online for magnetic lie angle tools and you'll find some good options👍
Is this a bit similar to the Malaska ‘tipping out’ the club? Starting the throw when club is parallel?
Some similar concepts Jesse!
Bryson and Kyle were talking about throwing when trying to crush drives.
Let’s get Kyle on the channel 😉
Would be fun if you can hook it up :)
@@CogornoGolf lol I will start spamming them. They didn’t go into any details, just talking to each other about. Left me very interested.
This seems dangerous for me as I am a flipper and have worked hard to stop that. Unless I misunderstood this video, which I am sure I did, it was over my head.
All good!
Choose what works and reject what doesn't.
At some point the lesson ends and the game begins.
Several ways to get it done!
I don't know. This makes me nervous.
Breathe......:)
Same ideas as Malaska's
Some similar stuff for sure! all great coaches
This is really confusing coming off the back of watching your various videos on left arm supination. (“Pros do this 2x more…”).
sorry for the confusion!
Does this not contradict the supination videos though? This one seems to be saying “flip away” ie extension of the lead wrist early on in the downswing. Whereas the supination videos are suggesting otherwise.
This is just like Malaska
both are great!
Confusing video.
Sorry to hear that Miguel! Let us know if you have any questions!