" Is losing fun ? " Class line. This whole movie is full of absolute genius writing. You don't have to understand baseball to appreciate this is one hell of a movie. Pitt is amazing.
I’m wondering if big baseball fans like this movie or not. I keep seeing people say they love this movie even though they don’t like baseball. Myself included.
There's a video on TH-cam somewhere that compares the real life events of the film with the movie. It's made by a diehard baseball fan. It's an interesting watch. This movie is great and hits a lot of notes I appreciate. It's most interesting to me that major league baseball has existed for over a 100 years before this type of team building became the norm.
Believe me I watched this movie when I didn’t watch baseball ⚾️ and I watched it again after knowing the game … it’s a huge difference… hell of a movie for sure
Such a underrated statement of anger...most would yell and be very animated, but Pitt is mostly stationary and keeps his voice almost calm. His explosions are small and spaced out (hitting the radio, throwing the bat, Gatorade Jug)...making it more powerful. Such a gem from Pitt.
Flipping shit over and throwing stuff is pretty animated. This whole scene is Hollywood dribble. It hardly makes sense. From the song these guys are listening to, to why is this guy stripping for them? Wtf.
"did you get some sleep last night" ... damn I hadn't noticed... the coach knew the players were out having fun not committed to the success of the team, and he approaches the situation very casually
I don’t know what the direction of this scene was, but I feel like most actors would go way over the top here. But brad knows that’s not this character. He is pissed but also calculating. Awesome measured acting.
You know he's also the general manager and not the teams manager, so he can only go so far with the players in this kind of a scenario. That's really up to the team manager
Yeah, just finished the book and agree with you. There was definitely some tension because everyone kept saying the game was run from the front office and Howe didn't like that, but I guess they needed someone to play the heavy to make the drama more intense. Feel for Howe, though. He was a good manager.
Brad is such an amazing actor. Every movie he is in he just makes it so realistic gives it the feeling it needs to give. This one of my fav movies even tho im not into baseball at all. He just makes it so interesting
Yeah the very subtle facial expression changes as Billy walks up to Art. He knows he's about to hear something he doesn't like. Miss that guy he nailed so many roles. See "Before the Devil Knows You're Dead".
Definitely not underrated at all, literally known as one of the best actors ever. I swear hipsters like you will say anything for a few likes it's pathetic
I love this scene because it showed that it's not all about metrics and numbers. The other scouts warned Billy about Giambi's attitude and personality would affect the team's morale, but Billy was so infixiated by numbers that he was blind about Giambi's other side from numbers, which is his attitude.
That or signing the inferior member of a family tree as part of a rebuild was as dumb as trading Pena for pretzels when John Mabry was a significant upgrade at 1st and outfield and they could have just held on to Pena rather than losing him as well as Jason. The movie is just fixated on Jeremy because ESPN was at the time and trading Jeremy for Mabry was the best move Beane made all year.
I don't think anyone sane would rather live in Philadelphia than Oakland. Giambi getting traded to Philly must have stung a bit but screw him he's a millionaire.
@@levikay1745 but that's not how it went down in real life. Art Howe was completely onboard with the analytics approach. It's not even as if it was something Beane introduced, the As had been using a data driven approach for a few years. But hey, Art Howe got to be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman, so...
@@aidanmagill6769 No film is devoid of historical inaccuracies. Many of them are consciously added for dramatisation. Because majority of people want the drama instead of the plain facts, somebody is specifically created the "villain". For plain fact lovers(it includes me as well), there are documentaries. But documentaries won't bring in the box office sales as much as a drama based on real life events. Hence it's inevitable.
I will admit the look Billie has as he passes the locker room is the you know someone us getting their asses kicked or something is getting broken to bajesus
"You lollygag onto the field. You lollygag down to first base. You lollygag back to the dugout. You know what that makes you?" "Lollygaggers..." "LOLLYGAGGERS!"
I love the tension in this movie between Beane (Brad) and Howe (Hoffman), especially when they both cross each other in the hallway without even acknowledging one another.
Totally agree. I think it's a very boring sport (Said the por to the Kettle, i love soccer lol). However it's a testament to USA's love for this sport that most Baseball movies are at least good, and some of them are Amazing.
@@chicubs2099 yeah the movie doesnt highlight how stacked they still were but instead repeats "damon, giambi, irsinghauser, as if they are the only solid guys. (also, as mentioned in this scene, a young carlos pena)
I guess the filmmakers decided that this movie needed a villain, or antagonist, at any rate, because, according to the book this film was based on, Art Howe, the A's manager, played by Philip Seymour Hoffman, was fully on board with Beane's approach. That being said, I have heard that Lewis revised the book to portray Howe that way after earlier editions were criticized for portraying Howe more as he is portrayed in the film.
"Is losing fun?" "No." "What are you having fun for?" Touché. Beane's message: Winning is fun. And I'll destroy office and locker room equipment to emphasize that
Great movie and underrated. The actors and screen writing was excellent. For anyone want to manage big organization or to be a manager must watch this movie instead of sitting in lecture hall.
2:30 Some really clever symbolism I see here. There's a player on the right side of this shot casually tossing his jersey into the laundry bin. Which jersey can be seen hanging ominously from the bin? Jeremy Giambi's jersey. Jeremy is also seen throwing away the opportunity he was given to play professional baseball in Oakland.
I always understood the manager here. Billy didn't give him a reasonable contract and he did what he had to do to ensure his own career. No one knew just how well this system would work out and with no belief in it and without being kept in the loop, he did what any rational person in that era would have done.
Art kind of has a point about playing the team in ways he can explain in job interviews, because in an earlier scene he asked for a contract extension and Billy didn’t commit to him.
And another thing, Brad throws a bat @3:15 and it seems to travel on and on. Where is this bat going? Reminds me of the Shawshank Redemption scene when the warden throws a stone through the Raquel Welch poster and we hear it clink and clank all the way down the tunnel. Maybe the locker room has an escape tunnel when angry Brad comes enters to lay into the players.
Russell Wilson would've probably been the one dancing on the table, with Elway or the new owners coming in and telling him to "get down" while asking "is losing fun" and "what are you having fun for".
Prefect example of the difference between playing a team sport for a living and a individualized sport. Sign that contract you can suck the whole season and still get paid. Lose first round of a tournament of a individualized sport you're losing money after paying training fees and travel/ hotel and other expenses. Hence the need for sponsors to take the pressure off having to play for your paycheck compared to a signed contract that guarantees a paycheck win or lose.
It's only fair to note that the 2002 A's also had two All-Star infielders already on the roster, and the league's best pitching staff. This wasn't conjured out of air.
True, but as a casual baseball fan in 02 I do remember the A's being a surprise team. They weren't expected to be good that season and there was genuine surprise amongst baseball analysts during the season
straight up I would have lost it as a coach no drive no determination no frustration just a bunch of rejects who love coming 2nd best man I would have lost it but brad is so kewl
I love this scene because it is a wake up call. The fans pay good money to see their team win. And when their team does not care about losing it is a slap in the face. Athletes need to remember that without fans all of their talent is meaningless. If you bat 390 and field like a monster but nobody buys tickets you may as well drive a bus or become a limo driver. One of the things that puts asses in seats is winning.
Women love him but I think Brad Pitt can really play the everyman role so well. The frustrations people experience, the laughter and the desire to be the best at what you do.
@@warlordofbritannia Yeah, as much as I like this movie, they really did Art Howe dirty. Their relationship was not at all how it was portrayed in this movie.
"One of the first players out of the dugout is rookie sensation Pena. One of the few bright lights on this Oakland lineup." Then they show Miguel Tejada on the screen lol
@@Waishwhw72i19sjx7 Not directly but definitely trying to replace his statistics. The book goes into detail about this metaphor by saying they can't replace Giambi or the other stars they lost to free agency that year one for one, but they could replace his onbase and slugging percentages with minor costs to the opposing side's runs by paying for it in fielding and similar.
but the money they got for him, they needed more. when he was traded, they got jeff weaver for him. tigers tossed in a ton of cash to cover weaver's contract, the a's then instantly flip him to the yanks for young talent, pocket the money. until pena broke out years later, guy was looking like a 4A player at best.
Anyone thinks that Beane is anything but correct in this scene is out of their mind. These guys are professionals and are paid like crazy, even if they’re not multi-millionaires. If they lose they shouldn’t be partying. Their job is to win. If they are screwing around after a loss, they’re showing they don’t care about not doing their job.
Agree. Played golf with him a couple times not recognizing him, asking if he ever played baseball after seeing him swing a club. "No, I've never played baseball." Complete deadpan.
I love this movie but you're right. They also make the scouts look like idiots when it was those scouts who found the Big 3 starters (Mulder, Zito and Hudson) and the MVP Tejeda (as well as Chavez)
Brad Pitt smashes a stereo with a bat throws a full drink cooler and insults them his phenomenal. When I do it to my under 10 football (soccer) team parents have a problem with my coaching methods and call the police. The hypocrisy in this world is just so unfair.
Human ability is quantifiable. Weather you like it or not. Math doesn't give a shit what you believe in, your perspective, or what you think you have experienced. Math always wins. It depressing for a person that doesn't understand that reality is dictated by math instead of belief and hope, but at least math has no bias, bigotry, or emotional standard.
Kind of, but not always. Baseball is a uniquely stat-friendly endeavor. It has an objectively superior outcome and a limited number of variables (you're batting alone, not as part of a team making a collective play). Even it proved very tricky to answer certain questions. The GM of the Houston Rockets used a similar statiscal approach but knew better than to trust his model fully. As an example he gave, "If a player breaks their leg the night before the draft, that isn't going to show up in the stats but I'd still want to know about it." In other mediums with more factors and less objective definitions of success, metrics can result in warped incentives that defy the obvious. For example, at mobile game studios - devs got pressure to maximize "time in app" so they made their games require keeping the game running constantly for hours a day in order to boost those metrics. This made the game incredibly annoying to players that didn't want to drain their phone battery and wanted to use their phone for other things. Horribly counter-productive but those devs got raises.
I've left teams because very few people cared if we won or not. I really have never been able to wrap my brain around players who are content with losing. I loved playing, but I cannot play with people who have a loser mentality.
I know PSH would play any role at 100%, large or small. And I love to see Pitt onscreen in everything. But I want to know what Hoffman would have brought to the table as Beane in this film. . . I just realized I'm trying to play Fantasy Baseball Movie, loll
I watched a number of Moneyball clips. In fact I bought the movie 10 days ago. It's nice to watch it in its entirety instead of clips. Unfortunately, Jeremy Giambi committed suicide in 2022, I believe. So sad. 😢
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" Is losing fun ? " Class line. This whole movie is full of absolute genius writing. You don't have to understand baseball to appreciate this is one hell of a movie. Pitt is amazing.
I’m wondering if big baseball fans like this movie or not. I keep seeing people say they love this movie even though they don’t like baseball. Myself included.
Hey, try reading the book!
@@totigerusYes I’m a big fan of baseball living in South Korea, I love this movie
There's a video on TH-cam somewhere that compares the real life events of the film with the movie. It's made by a diehard baseball fan. It's an interesting watch.
This movie is great and hits a lot of notes I appreciate. It's most interesting to me that major league baseball has existed for over a 100 years before this type of team building became the norm.
Believe me I watched this movie when I didn’t watch baseball ⚾️ and I watched it again after knowing the game … it’s a huge difference… hell of a movie for sure
Such a underrated statement of anger...most would yell and be very animated, but Pitt is mostly stationary and keeps his voice almost calm. His explosions are small and spaced out (hitting the radio, throwing the bat, Gatorade Jug)...making it more powerful.
Such a gem from Pitt.
But he's pretending to be Billy Beane.
Flipping shit over and throwing stuff is pretty animated. This whole scene is Hollywood dribble. It hardly makes sense. From the song these guys are listening to, to why is this guy stripping for them? Wtf.
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Hey, try reading the book!
Yeah, small explosions....you know, like turning over an office desk.
"did you get some sleep last night" ... damn I hadn't noticed... the coach knew the players were out having fun not committed to the success of the team, and he approaches the situation very casually
This movie is "based on a true story" but the depiction of Art Howe, and especially his opinions about sabermetrics and analytics, is fiction.
In this movie, Brad is very abusive to desks, tables, Gatorade coolers, phones. Office equipment of the Oakland A's beware!
Don't forget the locker room stereos
@@mg19cal yeah good point :)
About 20 years before this Billy Martin was manager. Billy Beane/Brad Pitt was a piker in comparison.
Yep. My boy chews up some scenery
@@McDago100
Billy Martin actually got a moribund A's team to play good.
I don’t know what the direction of this scene was, but I feel like most actors would go way over the top here. But brad knows that’s not this character. He is pissed but also calculating. Awesome measured acting.
Yeah, Brad Pitt is not a scenery chewer, he plays it real......he is, on the other hand, a food chewer. My boy can eat on camera.
You know he's also the general manager and not the teams manager, so he can only go so far with the players in this kind of a scenario. That's really up to the team manager
This was one of the ways the movie diverged from the book. Howe was never defiant with Beane, he always did exactly as he was told.
Yeah, just finished the book and agree with you. There was definitely some tension because everyone kept saying the game was run from the front office and Howe didn't like that, but I guess they needed someone to play the heavy to make the drama more intense. Feel for Howe, though. He was a good manager.
This is pretty common knowledge, but correct all the same. You have to have conflict as it adds to the movie. So I don't mind it.
@@pamusso1466 Howe was also a crappy manager. Always was. Never won anything. One and done in all 3 playoff series he ever managed in.
The movie takes many liberties with the reality of baseball for dramatic effect.
@@charlessomerset9754 he got to be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman though. Can't ever take that away from him.
Lol love how Giambi just stayed chillin on the table 😂 until he was told to get down.
And now he’s dead
@@commentarywithconnor didnt believe you until I opened Wikipedia. Damn rip
It’s pretty fucked ngl
Yeah, Jeremy was never the sharpest tool in the shed. Any fool could see when Billy walked in that he was not a happy camper.
We saw
Brad is such an amazing actor. Every movie he is in he just makes it so realistic gives it the feeling it needs to give. This one of my fav movies even tho im not into baseball at all. He just makes it so interesting
Play the Brad Pitt drinking game - every time he eats, you drink.
You may need Celtic or Slavic blood to survive this.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman was such a great actor. He embodied every role no matter how small the part was
Miss that guy
Absolutely. A man dedicated to craft in every instance. A great loss.
Yeah the very subtle facial expression changes as Billy walks up to Art. He knows he's about to hear something he doesn't like. Miss that guy he nailed so many roles. See "Before the Devil Knows You're Dead".
Can we give some credit to Phillip Seymour Hoffman.. Guy is criminally underrated and his range as an actor is out of control.
Definitely not underrated at all, literally known as one of the best actors ever. I swear hipsters like you will say anything for a few likes it's pathetic
Phillip Seymour Hofman is appropriately rated.
@@penguinpie5056 Absolutely! Greatly admired by both the public and his colleagues. RIP
He can go from the stubborn guy with no personality to a free-spirited guy with all the personality.
Literally not underrated lmao.
I love this scene because it showed that it's not all about metrics and numbers. The other scouts warned Billy about Giambi's attitude and personality would affect the team's morale, but Billy was so infixiated by numbers that he was blind about Giambi's other side from numbers, which is his attitude.
That or signing the inferior member of a family tree as part of a rebuild was as dumb as trading Pena for pretzels when John Mabry was a significant upgrade at 1st and outfield and they could have just held on to Pena rather than losing him as well as Jason. The movie is just fixated on Jeremy because ESPN was at the time and trading Jeremy for Mabry was the best move Beane made all year.
I don't think anyone sane would rather live in Philadelphia than Oakland. Giambi getting traded to Philly must have stung a bit but screw him he's a millionaire.
@@joepermenter7228 Trading Pena was a good move because the coach was being stubborn. It wasn't about the quality of player, or teammate.
@@levikay1745 but that's not how it went down in real life. Art Howe was completely onboard with the analytics approach. It's not even as if it was something Beane introduced, the As had been using a data driven approach for a few years.
But hey, Art Howe got to be played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman, so...
@@aidanmagill6769 No film is devoid of historical inaccuracies. Many of them are consciously added for dramatisation. Because majority of people want the drama instead of the plain facts, somebody is specifically created the "villain".
For plain fact lovers(it includes me as well), there are documentaries.
But documentaries won't bring in the box office sales as much as a drama based on real life events. Hence it's inevitable.
I will admit the look Billie has as he passes the locker room is the you know someone us getting their asses kicked or something is getting broken to bajesus
0:54 Well, I've heard enough of this conversation. Have ya?? It's the little things like this line that make this movie outstanding.
3:31 "That's what losing sounds like."
3:46 "And that too."
"You lollygag onto the field. You lollygag down to first base. You lollygag back to the dugout. You know what that makes you?"
"Lollygaggers..."
"LOLLYGAGGERS!"
One of the best movie bits ever. Such a great movie. My fav top 10.
the Gatorade bucket: the universal sports scapegoat. taking one for the team since 1965.
2:47 "Get down." "I thought that's what I was doing."
haahahaha!
😂
is funk music fun? yes, yes it is
@@stephenm8725 even though I'm 33, funk music is fun to get down with.
@@RonDenWhite90 awesome. i was getting down to Dazz Band the other day
One of the most underrated movies in the past 15 years!
I lost count on how many times Ive watched it!
Brilliantly made!
True bro I loved it even though I don't know shit about baseball, that's the greatness of screenwriting by the crew.
Billy: His fielding does... not... matter...
Bill Buckner: 😲
Let's not forget about his base running! He helped Jeter create a baseball memory for the ages.
Best scene in a phenomenal movie full of great scenes.
Read a book recently?
@@sgt.thundercok4704 penthouse forum count?
@@LIBREPUB I have most issues between 1979 and 1983, why do you ask?
Nope, the best scene is where Billy tells the Coach that he can't use a particular player because he'd traded him to another team 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
RIP Jeremy Giambi. The guy always had his demons. Shame he couldn’t overcome them.
damn, didn't know that.
I love the tension in this movie between Beane (Brad) and Howe (Hoffman), especially when they both cross each other in the hallway without even acknowledging one another.
I noticed that game of chicken in the hallway at 2:01. Howe moved.
In fact one wanted to bump and the other wanted to avoid it at all cost
Hollywood make believe.
I've watched this movie at least 10 times. I admit I am a baseball fanatic but this movie is great even if your not a baseball fan.
I agree. I'm not a baseball fan, but I've seen this movie several times, and here I am watching clips about it.
I don't know shit about baseball, and yet I loved this movie
Totally agree. I think it's a very boring sport (Said the por to the Kettle, i love soccer lol).
However it's a testament to USA's love for this sport that most Baseball movies are at least good, and some of them are Amazing.
I haven't seen it ten times but at least twice, and clips. It is a really good movie.
@@JorgeRiveraV1972 Soccer is less boring than baseball. Any game where you can eat while playing is a pretty boring sport.
Always forget Jermaine Dye was on this team, they were truly loaded with young guns.
2005 World Series MVP! 💪🏻
Dye, Tejada, Chavez, Mulder, Hudson, Zito … they all get overlooked
@@chicubs2099 yeah the movie doesnt highlight how stacked they still were but instead repeats "damon, giambi, irsinghauser, as if they are the only solid guys. (also, as mentioned in this scene, a young carlos pena)
@@chicubs2099 no they didn't. Oakland just trades th when it's time for the to get paid lol
@@briancrawford69 I’m talking about in the movie. None of those guys are featured or credited for why Oakland still won 103 games
As a connoisseur of Brad Pitt throwing things, this movie is a feast.
powerful silence, very intimidating ... real tortue for those guys
I guess the filmmakers decided that this movie needed a villain, or antagonist, at any rate, because, according to the book this film was based on, Art Howe, the A's manager, played by Philip Seymour Hoffman, was fully on board with Beane's approach. That being said, I have heard that Lewis revised the book to portray Howe that way after earlier editions were criticized for portraying Howe more as he is portrayed in the film.
"Is losing fun?"
"No."
"What are you having fun for?"
Touché.
Beane's message: Winning is fun. And I'll destroy office and locker room equipment to emphasize that
This movie had so many great scenes. This is one of the best.
Peter - "Pena..."
Billy - "OK..."
**Casually flips desk**
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great movie and underrated. The actors and screen writing was excellent. For anyone want to manage big organization or to be a manager must watch this movie instead of sitting in lecture hall.
2:30 Some really clever symbolism I see here. There's a player on the right side of this shot casually tossing his jersey into the laundry bin. Which jersey can be seen hanging ominously from the bin? Jeremy Giambi's jersey. Jeremy is also seen throwing away the opportunity he was given to play professional baseball in Oakland.
He recently committed Suicide.
And anywhere else for that matter. The guy couldn't measure up to not being his brother.
I always understood the manager here. Billy didn't give him a reasonable contract and he did what he had to do to ensure his own career. No one knew just how well this system would work out and with no belief in it and without being kept in the loop, he did what any rational person in that era would have done.
Rest in peace, Philip Seymour Hoffman. An incredibly talented actor taken from the world too soon.
Art kind of has a point about playing the team in ways he can explain in job interviews, because in an earlier scene he asked for a contract extension and Billy didn’t commit to him.
No, Billy is still paying him.
@@TakenPilot LOL, still plugged in to the matrix you are
@@TakenPilotyou don't understand
Rest well PSH. So sad that he relapsed. Amazing actor and is missed
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And another thing, Brad throws a bat @3:15 and it seems to travel on and on. Where is this bat going? Reminds me of the Shawshank Redemption scene when the warden throws a stone through the Raquel Welch poster and we hear it clink and clank all the way down the tunnel. Maybe the locker room has an escape tunnel when angry Brad comes enters to lay into the players.
Legend has it the bat is still rolling to this day
Escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism!
@@zzodr You mean Socialism Snowflake.
Also watch how Chad Bradford jerks in fear/startlement not once but twice by Beane throwing first a bat and then the cooler.
Impressive, very nice. Now let's see the cleaning lady's side of the story.
😀
"Oh my God, he even knocked over the Gatorade keg..."
What a great moment for an actor to be able to use his space
This needs to be the 2022 Denver Broncos locker room
Russell Wilson would've probably been the one dancing on the table, with Elway or the new owners coming in and telling him to "get down" while asking "is losing fun" and "what are you having fun for".
Philip Seymour Hoffman should have been nominated for Best Supporting.
His body language. Amazing performance.
Imagine running an office or a company with only 20-30 year olds.
And imagine paying them WAAAAY too much.
Anyone else get the feeling that Brad's mother crossed paths with Robert Redford back in 1963?
I’ve always thought he looks just like him too haha
and then you watch Spygame and it's like that spiderman meme haha
Moneyball is such a good movie
I can watch it over and over.
"his fielding does not matter" the main whole in his philosophy in one line.
Prefect example of the difference between playing a team sport for a living and a individualized sport. Sign that contract you can suck the whole season and still get paid. Lose first round of a tournament of a individualized sport you're losing money after paying training fees and travel/ hotel and other expenses. Hence the need for sponsors to take the pressure off having to play for your paycheck compared to a signed contract that guarantees a paycheck win or lose.
2:01 he got that “I fucking told you so” walk goin 😐
That head turn though
DUDE, the one phrase thats whispered and hard to hear and understand is the one time the close captioning doesnt have anything. omfg.
Philip Seymour Hoffman is one the greatest of all time. RIP
They're kids, scare 'em. - Bull Durham
Everyone needs a swift kick every now and then.
I build swimming pools.and if something goes wrong. And someone laughs or even smiles.i lose my shit on them.i get this scene....
better way of dealing with issues
What a loser
It's only fair to note that the 2002 A's also had two All-Star infielders already on the roster, and the league's best pitching staff. This wasn't conjured out of air.
True, but as a casual baseball fan in 02 I do remember the A's being a surprise team. They weren't expected to be good that season and there was genuine surprise amongst baseball analysts during the season
Correct response.
Violence isn't always the answer. But sometimes it is.
I mean no physical harm so yeah it had its place here. It was warranted especially since he restrained from yelling.
0:09: “When you get called to work on your day off.”
Never, ever answer the phone on your day off.
straight up I would have lost it as a coach no drive no determination no frustration just a bunch of rejects who love coming 2nd best man I would have lost it but brad is so kewl
No table is safe from Billy Beanie's wrath.
Im exactly like this dude when angry. I never yell, but i break alot of shit lol
That is exactly how my high school baseball coach was
I love this scene because it is a wake up call. The fans pay good money to see their team win. And when their team does not care about losing it is a slap in the face. Athletes need to remember that without fans all of their talent is meaningless. If you bat 390 and field like a monster but nobody buys tickets you may as well drive a bus or become a limo driver. One of the things that puts asses in seats is winning.
This is the scene todd boehly n beghdad eghballi goes to chelsea dressing room after the match 😂😂😂😂
Women love him but I think Brad Pitt can really play the everyman role so well. The frustrations people experience, the laughter and the desire to be the best at what you do.
I never understood why Beane didn’t fire Art Howe.
Because this didn’t really happen. Howe actually followed the directives he got from the front office so diligently he was considered a middleman.
@@warlordofbritannia
Yeah, as much as I like this movie, they really did Art Howe dirty. Their relationship was not at all how it was portrayed in this movie.
"One of the first players out of the dugout is rookie sensation Pena. One of the few bright lights on this Oakland lineup."
Then they show Miguel Tejada on the screen lol
"What are you having fun for?"
"...Cause I'm rich"
"Oh right you are sir! I must have forgot, we all are! Carry on"
How did the music shut off when he hit the locker with a bat? He's like Arthur Fonzerelli!
@@asanokatana Herny Winkler's Arthur Fonzerelli character from "Happy Days" is better known as "the Fonz" or just "Fonzi."
They should have kept Carlis Pena, he’d eventually put up stats that would compare with Giambi who they were trying to replace.
Then he would want big money and Oakland is widely known for not paying big money
Peña didn’t reach his full potential until his age 29 season. So the Tigers didn’t fully benefit from that trade.
Did you even watch the film? They aren't trying to replace Giambi.
@@Waishwhw72i19sjx7 Not directly but definitely trying to replace his statistics. The book goes into detail about this metaphor by saying they can't replace Giambi or the other stars they lost to free agency that year one for one, but they could replace his onbase and slugging percentages with minor costs to the opposing side's runs by paying for it in fielding and similar.
but the money they got for him, they needed more.
when he was traded, they got jeff weaver for him.
tigers tossed in a ton of cash to cover weaver's contract, the a's then instantly flip him to the yanks for young talent, pocket the money.
until pena broke out years later, guy was looking like a 4A player at best.
Always reminds me of the sour beer scene in Invictus to capture the “taste of losing”
Robbie will always be my favorite kicker. The kid from Central Mountain
i knew the cooler was getting taken out as soon as i saw it lol
Your not playing Pena. I traded him. Is a good one also.
I know this isn’t confirmed, but I’m certain this scene was heavily inspired by Angels in the Outfield.
Hahaha
Not the good salami!
@@kingsasquatch 😂😂
How?
It could be true for sure!
Gotta have that funk.
"It shouldn't hurt to be a Gatorade cooler."
Pitt nailed this movie
His fielding (50% of his job) does not matter! 😅
Anyone thinks that Beane is anything but correct in this scene is out of their mind. These guys are professionals and are paid like crazy, even if they’re not multi-millionaires. If they lose they shouldn’t be partying. Their job is to win. If they are screwing around after a loss, they’re showing they don’t care about not doing their job.
If they were miserable how would that have helped exactly?
RIP Jeremy Giambi
Giam A is still okay, though.
Agree. Played golf with him a couple times not recognizing him, asking if he ever played baseball after seeing him swing a club. "No, I've never played baseball." Complete deadpan.
Manager Art Howe was completely supportive of what Billy Beane was trying to do, making him look as the villain the way the script did is wrong.
I love this movie but you're right. They also make the scouts look like idiots when it was those scouts who found the Big 3 starters (Mulder, Zito and Hudson) and the MVP Tejeda (as well as Chavez)
Celebrating a loss while the manager didn’t listen to GM. That is a recipe for a tongue lashing. Time and place for goofing around.
Brad Pitt smashes a stereo with a bat throws a full drink cooler and insults them his phenomenal. When I do it to my under 10 football (soccer) team parents have a problem with my coaching methods and call the police. The hypocrisy in this world is just so unfair.
Better start paying those kids on your soccer team millions of $, then you can throw as many bats and drink coolers as you want!
They did the real coach dirty...
He smashed the stereo, though he looked like he wanted to bash Giambi’s head in with it.
Was hoping he would smash the arcade machine.
Whenever I sub for a statistics class, I always tell them about this movie.
what a team moment...... but when I do it coaching our little league girls softball team drops a game, suddenly I'm "overreacting" and "scaring them"
Imagine how many games they could have won that year had the coach played the team properly all year long.
That never happened. This is Hollywood being Hollywood.
@@INYB What never happened? You mean the Coach not playing the team correctly?
@@skins4thewin No. The coach and Billy arguing on who to play. They were on the same page.
@@INYB Interesting. Cool to know. Guess they needed to put a little bit of drama into the film. Good choice as far as the movie goes.
@@skins4thewin absolutely. Great movie. Just not entirely a representation of what really happened. It rarely is.
hmm...I think that is RAD playing on the tv....what an interesting choice. :)
Human ability is quantifiable. Weather you like it or not. Math doesn't give a shit what you believe in, your perspective, or what you think you have experienced. Math always wins.
It depressing for a person that doesn't understand that reality is dictated by math instead of belief and hope, but at least math has no bias, bigotry, or emotional standard.
Kind of, but not always. Baseball is a uniquely stat-friendly endeavor. It has an objectively superior outcome and a limited number of variables (you're batting alone, not as part of a team making a collective play). Even it proved very tricky to answer certain questions. The GM of the Houston Rockets used a similar statiscal approach but knew better than to trust his model fully. As an example he gave, "If a player breaks their leg the night before the draft, that isn't going to show up in the stats but I'd still want to know about it."
In other mediums with more factors and less objective definitions of success, metrics can result in warped incentives that defy the obvious. For example, at mobile game studios - devs got pressure to maximize "time in app" so they made their games require keeping the game running constantly for hours a day in order to boost those metrics. This made the game incredibly annoying to players that didn't want to drain their phone battery and wanted to use their phone for other things. Horribly counter-productive but those devs got raises.
Tell It!!!
should have fired the manager on the spot here.
Snitch.
Love it.
I've left teams because very few people cared if we won or not. I really have never been able to wrap my brain around players who are content with losing. I loved playing, but I cannot play with people who have a loser mentality.
One of Phillip Seymour Hoffman’s best performances.
xD best joke i heard all day
lmao sniffle
I know PSH would play any role at 100%, large or small. And I love to see Pitt onscreen in everything. But I want to know what Hoffman would have brought to the table as Beane in this film. . . I just realized I'm trying to play Fantasy Baseball Movie, loll
The cocky joker dancing like a fool after a devastating loss should have been put immediately on a one-way flight away
Yeah if he was miserable it would have retroactively changed the score of the game they just played
Jesus christ I miss sir Hoffman. What a treasure.
2:46
I was getting down. 😂
[Starts dancing again]
Giambi and Tejada both tested positive.
I watched a number of Moneyball clips. In fact I bought the movie 10 days ago. It's nice to watch it in its entirety instead of clips. Unfortunately, Jeremy Giambi committed suicide in 2022, I believe.
So sad. 😢
why this film never won Best Pic......beats the hell out of me.
Two films with Brad Pitt adapted from Michael Lewis books where Pitt's character doesn't appreciate the dancing.