1936 Mercedes-Benz W143 a.k.a. 230 four-door saloon.
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- Today on what it’s like 1936 Mercedes-Benz W143 I mean 230, this is when Mercedes-Benz made quality cars. This is a lower on the totem pole Mercedes-Benz and it just screams quality everywhere you look no black plastic no plastic covers covering anything everything is real and this is a quality built car.
This absolutely stunning example of a 1936 Mercedes-Benz 230 is currently for sale at auto mall Morgantown Pennsylvania, where they have this fine example of an automobile for sale as well as 895 other cars currently listed when recording this episode. four hours of operation directions to classic auto Mall as well as to get more information and pictures of this very car. Be sure to click the link below after the show. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Midnight Confession by the Grass Roots?!?!
Yeah buddy, I’m impressed you got it =)
@@What.its.like. Thanks! I usually need a few more notes to figure them out!
You must be psychic or something.
@@THEScottCampbell Nah, just psycho.
According to historic currency conversion tables on Google, in 1936, 4200 German marks were equal to approx. $1694 USD. In 2024, that would be roughly $38,000 USD
Thank you so much for finding that information out, as well as the conversion greatly appreciate it
Sounds like a steal!
By comparison, the KdF Wagen was listed at RM995, under the savings plan.
None (KdF Wagen) were built for the public, apparently there was some unpleasantness in the region the next year. The KdF Wagen was resurrected by a British military officer after the unpleasantness, and I don't recall what happened to it.😇
@@wanderinggentile or as Auto Shenanigans puts it "The 2nd Minor Disagreement"...
@@JamesAllmond Jon may have been occupying space in my head when I said that.
It's a shame that the 70's Mercedes you drove was trashed. I worked as a mechanic from '79 to '88, specializing in wheel and chassis alignment. During that time, I drove thousands of different cars, foreign and domestic. Rolls Royce, Maserati, Porsche, Jaguar, Ferrari, Volvo, Saab, Volkswagen, Diamler, Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, BMW, Mercedes, even a Tatra. You name it, I serviced and drove it. Of all those cars, my favorite was the '70 to '78 Mercedes 450 SEL. Not the fastest, but not at all slow. Comfortable, with that same kind leather-and-horsehair smell, and supremely confidence inspiring on any road. Taut suspension, but not harsh or noisy. Even the '79 to '88 SEL's had the same road manners and earthy aromas, but they were mostly Diesels (I despise diesel engines in cars). A close second were the smaller SE sedans, tied with the SL roadsters. Also super easy to service, although they rarely needed anything but oil and filter changes, tires, or brake pads and rotors resurfacing/replacement. 300,000 miles was not uncommon, they'd just keep going and going and going... you get the idea. I hope you get the chance drive another one that is mechanically sound, I think you'll really dig it, like I really dig your TH-cam channel. I watch and enjoy every episode. Stay safe, keep on finding these amazing cars for us. Happy Trails! 😁❤
I heard the 450 SL could do 125 all day without fail, that they were solid and reliable as well as fast.
Just because the one 70's Mercedes you drove was a pile, sure as hell doesn't mean they all are. They were the best engineered and best production cars ever built until the 2000s.
Seats were super uncomfortable in a $31,000 vehicles unacceptable.. I don’t base off one experience I’ve been in others with same seat experience.. this car was so much better
All the parts are available from the Mercedes Heritage center.
Awesome thank you so much for sharing that information
Packard first always !!!!
LaSalle ran great 👍
Those were the days 😊
Great Episode
Happy Motoring ✌️🤠
Awesome choices =)
Ha! I'm guessing Jay missed your AITF reference. Agree, Packard first!
That 1936 Nash Ambassador was way above others in sheer class.
@@alanblanes2876 I want to find one I’ve never seen one of those in a while. I think I could honestly say aside from the twin ignition 1932 Nash that we covered earlier while it was at Hershey last year. Aside from that I haven’t seen any other pre-Nash in the flesh
Reichsmark, pronounced “Rikesmark”, was the unit of money used during the mini-mustached Austrian painter’s reign of terror. 4,200 RM was roughly equal to $1,680 in 1936, which is about $38,000 in today’s money.
Thank you so much for that clarification I’m not the best pronunciations. Thank you so much for that conversion as well =)
You have corroborated the calculations of @NeilE.-iu7ks
Jawohl, I can just imagine four Gestapo agents piling out of this car asking to see my papers!
@@billolsen4360 Vee have vays of maykink you talk.
I'm not a big M-B fan, either. As a kid in the 50s and 60s, I thought they were stodgy, boring cars, and no way did they convey luxury. Except for the 300SL. I used to see 190SL's but didn't realize how underpowered they were. I remember when Car and Driver tested M-B 600 vs Rolls vs Caddy, Lincoln and Imperial in '65. They liked the 600, but I didn't realize the true technical wizardry and power those cars had. The car you looked at here really was far more modern that most American cars of the time, but nowadays, the Germans seem to be playing the "how many more computers can we use to control things" game, and their cars are way overpriced for what you get. WYR=Packard and the Model T sitting behind the M-B.
Don’t get me wrong they made some good cars but they haven’t really made anything great since the 50s.. they in my opinion are right up there with BMW, Land Rover of making overhyped overrated overpriced piles but that’s just my opinion.. the classic stuff though, is really nice for this car being just a couple steps out of the basement value for money I don’t think you could beat it.. real leather.. but with that said, there is a stigmatism about this car that a lot of people just won’t be able to get past 1936 Germany..
@@What.its.like. I agree with you on the quality feel of the pre-war Mercedes. It would be great if they would be able to re-priorize build quality since their products are developing a mediocrity which is not becoming their heritage.
Have a look at the 600 Grosser or the 300sel 6.3L or the 450sel 6.9.. fastest 4 door sedans in the world when released.. engineering masterpieces!
I watched an episode with Clarkson and James May Clarkson had to grower that’s a car that I definitely would like to check out Mercedes-Benz in my opinion made good cars but it was before the 70s. I know that those ones will last forever. I still can’t wrap my mind around the price, 1978, 300 D cost over $20,000 you could get a mark five diamond Jubilee fully loaded and have enough money left over to buy garage to park it in.. maybe not quite that much but you could buy a pretty fully loaded out town car for the price I haven’t been in one of those Mercedes but I have gotten to drive a 450 SL and it was a total letdown.. I’m not facing one off of that car. My mom owns a Mercedes and I don’t get it. She replaced her Cadillac Escalade with a Mercedes and it’s so small.
@@What.its.like. Not a big fan of later model Mercedes or BMW either, though, that being said, I do like the Mercedes 560 SEC Patrick Swayze drove in Roadhouse (like the Rivieras better) and the BMW 6 Series driven by Hawk in Spenser For Hire (like Spenser's early fastback Mustang better),
I think you find lots of American reasons for your comments.. what do I mean by that?.. well the import tarrifs on imported vehicles made them much more expensive to buy in the US. Plus Mercedes had to provide specific detuned US market models to meet US emissions.
There are lots of Mercedes models that I wouldn't want to own.. but yet all Mercedes models up to the late 90s were engineering masterpieces and are in a different league to any of the US brands. Quality of materials used, engineering, quality control, engineering design, engineering tolerance es are just way ahead of any of the US manufacturers.
I'm just trying to support you to do your research before you make silly comments.. I really like your channel and appreciate the time you do put in. I want to see you do well. Also, I really dislike the 70/80s SL models too. I just find them bland and uninspiring.. apart from the 560SL rally racers.
Actually, my friend, the 1980s was when Mercedes-Benz was at its best.
That was the E Class of its day.
I agree with you. I'm too not much of a Mercedes fan. When Mercedes had purely mechanical engines such as the diesel engined 240 D in the 1970s, I confess that I lusted after them, wanting a simple reliable 240 D model with a four speed manual transmission. They were well made and parts for them were not as obscene priced. Today, however, Mercedes with its over-engineering of electronics, use of plastics for engine. parts, and excessive luxury content; has totally destroyed the brand and made a mockery of German engineering.
Agree
I got to see this gorgeous Mercedes-Benz in person & it was one of the happiest moments of my life 😍 it’s one of my favorite cars of all time and is a true art piece
Awesome =) they didn’t make a bad looking car in the 30s
@@What.its.like. their cars in the 30’s were like works of art! Although cars in general were just much more stylish back then lol
You did forget the 320 "Autobahnkurier" from the particular time. The numbers stand for the size of the engines. 230 had rounded up 2.3l engine capacity.
What a fantastic car in and out! Quality…..period.
For WYR, it’s the LaSalle, and the Mercedes.
I really like that grille. You have to love those leather seats, I can’t smell them myself but they look quality. And thank you for pointing out why car manufacturers used chicken wire on the roof back then.
Those seats are indeed absolutely top flight. They look so substantial and well designed that they scream the MB motto: "The best or nothing".
WYR: All of them.
NTT: Deep Purple - Smoke On The Water.
I love side mounted spare tires. More convenient for roadside tire changes. Some of those probably got modified into bootleg cars, but I don't know because I wasn't there. I saw a Ford Model T sitting behind it, and it has the MotoMeter, which is an accessory you NEED on those. I'd drive that thing DAILY.
WIL- I'll take the Merc both cases. I am a fan personally.
Awesome choices you can’t go wrong with it it’s a beautiful car
I would pick the Packard and the Nash. The interior in the Mercedes sure is inviting though.
Awesome choices
These particular vehicles have been known to cause some PTSD.
The Diesels were standard issue Gestapo cars. Same colour as well.
I believe if you travel the world you will see Mercedes is the world standard.
Now you know why the pontiac has a taller roof! 17.17
The W143 has good style almost like the Traction Avant, just not low slung like it. First pick 36 La salle second 36 Nash Ambassador and throw in a Citroen Traction Avant.
That is an excellent point of reference when I was looking at this car watching it back in my mind, I thought traction avant those are super stellar cars. I have a friend that has one I just gotta get down and do it… I was waiting for the leaves to change now it’s past that time. I think he’s going to a car show next week that I’m going to attend. I’m going to see if he wants to do it then or if we could do it anytime he wants to… can’t wait =)
Sweet choices =)
Club support? World wide more people are members of Mercedes clubs than any other brand in the world. Getting parts? Mercedes classic organisation provides unparalleled support. Example: I needed a radiator cap mount for the star emblem on my 1969 280 SE 3.5 coupe. Only 3200 of this model were ever made and that particular part was unique to this model. The part was ordered and I had it in 7 days, delivered to me here in Australia. Oh and only 86 of this model were delivered to Australia (out of 245 made in right hand drive
Thank you so much for sharing that awesome information greatly appreciate it
I'm not huge Mercedes fan either, but this is a very nice car. And I'd take the LaSalle and the Hupmobile.
Sweet choices
Packard, Hupmobile. I was going to guess "I Can't Explain" by The Who, but I can see "Midnight Confessions" now.
The styling on that Huppmobile really was ahead of the rest. The Front clip is really nice. At first sight I thought it was customized or Coachbuilt but not so. It looks like a retro penned in the 00's. That deserves a piece.
I got the privilege of doing an arrow, coupe A couple years back I would really love to revisit that car.. and might Hupmobile don’t get love he’ll most don’t even know about that car
@@What.its.like. I hope you are able to review the 1936 Nash Ambassador. Another great is the 1937 Studebaker President.
@@alanblanes2876 the goal is to cover them all. Eventually multiple body styles were here for the long haul.
Yeah, the Hupp was the most forwardly styled of the bunch, but all the American cars made the Benz look stodgy by comparison IMO. It's interesting how Euro cars in general seemed conservatively styled compared to American cars at least until maybe the 70s.
@@What.its.like. I am delighted you covered this MB. The upholstery is so impeccable that I can't imagine any make has come close to the quality of those front seats.
El 230 también llevarían los auxilios con las carcasas .🎥👍
In the Pontiac's defense it is 10 years older than the merc. My 37 Pontiac is very sleek (but probably taller). I wish TH-cam let us post photos in comments...
I second that notion I wish the same. I wish we could share pictures on here. That’s why I made the Facebook group but not everybody goes there.
Pontiac made some stellar cars once they got going
WYR - Packard and the Hup!
Awesome choices =) my same picks
I'd take the Packard or LaSalle in the first and the Nash Ambassador in the second 😎
Sweet choices
1937 Packard
1935 Hupmobile
Awesome choices I’d totally pick the same thing. The Mercedes is probably a close third… that car is really awesome.. but the Hupmobile sounds better. The Packard has twice as much power.
WYR 1: Packard of course. That LaSalle reminds me of a lobster from Finding Nemo! 2. Nash, but that Hupp has a very pretty face! Just look how much more integrated and elegant it is compared to the Nash and Benz!
Haha nice sweet choices.. I absolutely love that Hupmobile one of my favorite 30s designs that a lot of people don’t even know exist
I’ll take the Packard but it’s not a fair comparison the 230 was the entry level Benz and the Packard would compete against the 540 Benz, second choice would be the Benz. The modern Benz isn’t built like the older ones in the early 90’s the new CEO of Mercedes Benz said their cars were over engineered, over built and over priced so he cheapened them up 😢
No, that was an entry-level Packard that packard only cost $700 when it was new it was only a couple hundred dollars more than a Chevy or a Ford the prestigious Packard buyer hated the 115 C series as well as the 120 series which didn’t cost a whole lot more junior series Packard was crazy. Those cars have gotten pretty expensive because one could use it still as an every day car they get around 20 miles to the gallon more with overdrive horsepower. You can always change out the rear end and get better gas mileage and better speed.… I really want to buy a 30s car. I’m between three if I could get one of these for the same price 1935 hupmobile or 1937 packard I would take either or 115 see I would much rather have in rumble seat, coupe flavor or two-door sedan not opposed to the four-door sedan either would not be opposed to 120 trim because as weird as it sounds, you could buy a 120 cheaper than you can find a 115 C for generally I really like the 1937 Chrysler airflow as if those were all the same price. I would have a really hard time picking. The hupmobile sounds like nothing else… the air flow looks like nothing else… and the packard has the balance like noting else
I could be wrong but I believe the Mercedes went for something like $60,000 in current US dollars.
That could very well be.. years ago I did an episode on a 450 SL Mercedes I was always intrigued by the car until doing an episode on one.. that car has the most uncomfortable seats of any car that I’ve ever driven ever. It cost $31,000 in 1978 one could buy the Chrysler, the Cadillac Eldorado and the Lincoln marked five and a garage to put them in and maybe still have some money left over for dinner… drugs must’ve been really good in the 70s that’s the only explanation there is
Not a Mercedes-Benz fan either. But I can appreciate them and I even made an original 1:12 scale LEGO model of a 1970 MB C-111 supercar. The nutzi era cars are my favorite, but they are also somewhat sinister looking to me because of that. The 6-wheeled W31 G4 parade cars are probably my top faves.
Did Mercedes have Dealerships in America pre War ?
A Post War Import ?
I noticed Benzin in place of Gasoline or Fuel.
A beautiful restoration
About 60's Mercs, the lower the number, the,uh, less care was put into it well into the 70's. We never got the really low spec ones. Those were the taxis and Momwagens of Europe! So, not sure what you drove, but I bet it was not a letter series above 240...in which case, yep rolling POSes. but get into the higher numbers, they get a whole lot better! Saying that, would not have one. Not my stein of beer either...but drive a well kept SL, or anything above 300 not the same world...if not kept up, oh my, they get bad, fast.
37 Packard, even if a low spec one...
35 Hupmobile
Sweet choices =)
Hi Jay! While this is certainly a QUALITY automobile, the styling just doesn't do it for me. The 1936 Ford Tudor behind the Pontiac is a lot more modern design, as well as faster, more than likely. The gauge at the right of the speedo has the fuel gauge at the top and the oil pressure at the bottom. I would guess that the left plastic lever might be for the lights? The pull out thing is probably the choke. Anyway WYR#1 Packard! Even though it is also a six, has to be faster than the Merc. Was going to pick the lovely LaSalle as it had an 8, even though it iwas the Olds flathead 8 in those years, but a PACKARD! #2 HUPMOBILE! Always had a fancy for that design!
Awesome choices =) some of the switches were very interesting to say the least, as well as some of the different dashboard lights. Europeans have always done it different.
I’m going to guess “Gloria” by Shadows of Knight for the song.
Great guess not that song or band I couldn’t play anymore of the song it’s a very iconic familiar song
@@What.its.like. Too many 60’s songs had a similar sound and that same 16th note drum fill… I’m going to guess “Nobody But Me” by Human Beinz solely because you might be doing a play on “Benz”??? Otherwise there’s a 100 songs it could be based on that tiny snippet.
WYR 1. LaSalle 2. Hupmobile
Is that Colonel Klinks' car ?
Almost exactly. In Hogan's Heroes, Klink had a 1938 model 230.
Packard, LaSalle, then the Merc
Sweet choices
I would take the Packard 115 over the Mercedes any day, more comfortable, reliable and powerful with equal or better economy. The 115 was a great car just not exclusive enough to please traditional Packard owners. The biggest way to compare a Mercedes is to drive a 1986 E300 vs a Cadillac Sedan Deville or Chrysler NewYorker Fifth Ave of the era. The Mercedes in that era felt like they were carved out of a single block of steel. The others felt like flexible flyers in comparison. I know, have driven all three I listed. However, today all cars feel solid like the Mercedes there is not any difference in anything other than Brand Marketing and Price.
I can't choose.
Nice looking car, but man, is it slow!
Most everything European during this time is..
The Pontiac next to the Mercedes is NOT a 1936.
I don't believe he said it was.
1926 1st year
Packard all the way.
Totally agree
I can’t believe how expensive the 115 C has become that is a car that I really want to own. I would drive that every day if it was mine.
Hey..uhh..Mercedes will support any vehicle made by Mercedes with new factory parts. This means parts are easy to acquire, just VERY expensive.
Great information
Nice car, but I was struck by the lack of amenities compared to its American contemporaries, like armrests, ashtrays/lighters. Also, considerably underpowered vs. American contemporaries. And the driver's footwell was tiny which I'd find real annoying after driving more than 30 minutes on the highway. So regarding "Would you rather", I'd take any of the American cars over the Benz. They all had better styling IMO, probably more power, and are better appointed.
Question though: It looks like the German staff car you always see in WWII movies (and Hogan's Heroes). Was it used for this purpose?
Totally agree
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WYR Packard
WYR Nash
by 1936 the Nazi were in full brutal motion. I ,personally , wouldn't take the car even if it was free. It has a sinister vibe.Thx Jay.
I was going to say something to that effect, while I was behind the wheel of it. It’s such an awesome over the hood view but I was getting those vibes. I don’t know if I could own a Mercedes from this era with its history…
Great choices the Packard has a way nicer, more inviting interior in my opinion even though the leather seats were way nicer than the Packard seats. The Packard doesn’t have evil surrounding it. They built the Merlin engine during World War II to help defeat. Germany during the war
I'd posit that the Nazis became as brutal as they did because the Versailles victors of WW1 didn't have the skills to keep engaged with Germans on a one-to-one basis so they could understand and engage with the mission of the League of Nations.
Yeah, I couldn't even watch the episode it being what it was. No offense to Jay, he's great.
Pipeline...chantays 🤷
It does sound like surf rock…
Surprising this is not surf rock so it’s not a beach boys, Jan and Dean kind of tune it’s from the 60s
That song clue was TOO easy! I'll pass.
"WRENCH MARKS????" You are hilarious. So is "shure-fur driven car". Try "Riesh marks" (actually Reich).
Is DETROIT "Southern Michigan"?
Haha I’m not the best of pronunciations
The song was midnight confessions by the grassroots
Interesting car but not my cup of tea. Packard - Nash.
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Would this be similar to Hitler's Mercedes?
I think hitler had a higher model 770 500
WYR? 1-2 Mercedes hands down. PS. Get off your anti Mercedes rant.
They are overpriced overrated. In my opinion this car wasn’t bad priced back in the day at $38,000 equivalent maybe halfway out of the basement…
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@@What.its.like. Overpriced? Overrated? Ever own one? I have.
It's a nice car, but I'll take the Packard anyway! 🏆 🦢
Nice sweet choice